HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY?

Timely, just when national gas average reached $1.66. And unemployment rate at 8%.

Bragging Rights! That’s all that matters even if gas is $1.39 where I live.

Well that won’t matter untill 2020 the death of the car fuel economy standards kick in.

awwwwww thats too bad toyota, guess its time for you to throw in the towel. just do it. i hate you.

wow a domestic with superior fuel economy(read above), reliability(zero recalls),and resale value(check kbb) than the imports. The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!

Good for them. Now they need to advertize this heavily… and now, so that when gas hits $5/gallon again next summer they will be ready for it.

Proof that the American car industry aint dead and can compete with the Japs!!!! Good job Ford!!!!

That’s just so weird to see a city number higher than the highway rating. Still I suspect they’ll mostly be raking in those F150 profits over the short term.

how long before triple5 comes on here and starts telling us the camry is more reliable and has better resale value? How long before he says the NEXT GENERATION camry that we havent even seen will easily top the numbers of this “heap”? How long before he says the mileage of the Fusion is irrelevant because its plastics arent up to par with the Camry’s?

Right after he’s done someone will post that Ford licensed this technology from Toyota and should not get any credit.

What would Sen. Shelby say about this?

^ More importantly, why do you give this poster the time of day? Seriously, why do you care what trinity thinks, I don’t, and from what I can tell most others don’t either. It’s like talking to yourself in a mirror;-)

DB9

im with your tritanpower the american auto industry is far from dead. to quote a great man “get up you sonofab%@$h mickey loves ya”

1115 can’t prove ****. Today’s Camry is not yesteryear’s Camry . Today’s Camry is not as well made and reliable as yesteryear’s Camry. All early indicators point that out. Toyota is selling today off of yesteryear’s reputation…. with every snapping tailgate, lagging transmission and failed ball joint even the sheep will wake up and see this for themselves. Then where will Toyota be?

A4, I agree. Just give up toyota. i hate you too.

@johnnycanuck

We typically agree on the economic issues of the industry, but I don’t get the hate on the F150. It’s a fantastic vehicle, regardless of whether it has a truck bed. It also gets great mileage for a truck and it does so without have to sacrifice power and refinement as the Silverado has to do to get an extra 1MPG (the F150 gets 20MPG, the Silverado XFE gets 21MPG).

Go to your local Ford dealership and take an F150 for a spin. You don’t have to buy it, but please realize the reason these vehicles are profitable is because they are good vehicles that people want to buy.

I don’t feel so good, what is this feeling? Am I really considering a domestic.

Ok, it passed.

If I had the money I would buy this in a heartbeat.

I must be delusional! I did think that GM and ChryCo nearing bankruptcy and Ford not far behind. I guess they are doing great and I am wrong! Thank you for explanation

Some people on these boards are immature picking sides like toyota or ford. They both make good cars and all of you know it. The more good cars they make the better of a choice you guys will have. If it were not for honda/toyota making good cars then the “big” three would never even have been forced to make better cars and if it were not the “big” three making better cars now the import brands would not be forced to continue to improve and vis versa. Grow Up.

Payton, you misunderstood my comment. I think Ford’s going to have a tough time moving as many Fusions and Milans as they deserve because of the price of fuel. F150s are selling in bunches again and that’s where Ford is going to make a lot of money.

AWSOME. I AM VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT AN AMERICAN CAR COMAPNY HAS REALLY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE. SOME ON CHRYSLER FOLLOW SUITE

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY? No it kept breaking down on me

how long before TripleOneFive comes on here and starts telling us the Camry is more reliable and has better resale value? AN HOUR and you said it bc its true Stick with the winner

How long before he says the NEXT GENERATION Camry that we havent even seen will easily top the numbers of this “heap”? I wouldnt say the Ford is a “heap” and Im not sure that the Camry will top it BUT Toyota is the leader in hybrid technology so based on the past they will

How long before he says the mileage of the Fusion is irrelevant because its plastics arent up to par with the Camry’s? I never talk about interior plastics lol I only mention the quality and reliability which is why it has such a high resale. EPA ESTIMATES I would rather see it when it actually hits the roads

Right after he’s done someone will post that Ford licensed this technology from Toyota and should not get any credit. Well Ford is using Toyotas old technology lol You know its all true that is why you said it
Thanks

“If it were not for honda/toyota making good cars then the “big” three would never even have been forced to make better cars and if it were not the “big” three making better cars now the import brands would not be forced to continue to improve and vis versa. ”

I hate when people make this stupid statement. Consumers force changes, not other manufacturers. When the Japanese came here Americans saw cars as disposable items and reliability wasnt a primary concern. Cars were cheaper in the 70s and people wanted to see frequent styling and engine upgrades in new models. As cars got more expensive and the economy slowed down cars became longer term investments and the Japanese had put more time and effort into reliability so they took advantage. Competition in general leads to evolution and better products. This idea that there was no innovation in the US auto market before Toyota showed up is nonsense. Did Toyota force American automakers to invent the catylic converter, electric starter, auto tranny, airbags, etc.? THe American auto industry is responsible for far more in the way of innovation than the Japanese auto industry. The Japanese only perfected the production process. That is not the same thing as inventing engineering solutions to problems.

“EPA ESTIMATES I would rather see it when it actually hits the roads ”

In media test drives some people averaged over 40mpg. High 30s seemed to be easily acheivable based on articles published last week. The car can meet its EPA ratings without a problem.

The Japanese only perfected the production process. Yea they are near perfect

The car can meet its EPA ratings without a problem. There is no solid proof to back this stmt up

Although I don’t really like Ford, I have to say this >>>>Good Job Ford….eat this Camry!

Just reading the title gave me a humongous smile from cheek to cheek.

Ford exceeded their promise, a promise that I thought at first was too high for Ford to meet. It’s too bad this is almost too late. We’ll have to see about gasoline prices next summer, but with the current economic conditions, I don’t think this sedan will have as huge of a market share as it could of had. Premium is fairly high, but what about government rebates?

Also, while somebodies figuring out government rebates, how long would it take you to recoup costs over the standard four cylinder? I would do the math, but I don’t have the time at the moment.

Lastly, Ford is not using Toyota’s technology. Ford paid royalties as their own technology was very similar. That’s the least to say, Ford developed their own technology, and Toyota got funding from Japans government. Tell me which ones the smarter of the two?

41 mpg city. Wowza.

On the positive side of licensing technology may be a good short term solution for Ford. Good MPG should be good enough to get them sold and the cars look decent.

However, on the negative side of things and make no mistake about there is a huge down side.
First, Triple one five you actually said something I agree with for a change. yes Ford has been lazy Licensing Toyota’s Hybrid Technology starting with the Escape and am I sure Toyota’s old tech is in the new Fusion and Mercury Milan. But Toyota’s second generation Hybrid is around the corner so Um. So Why Ford has bragging rights they won’t last for long!!

THe Proof will be the MPG numbers of the NEW 09 PRIUS and CAMRY when they come out.
True the Prius is will be smaller and expect MPG to be like the Honda insight 70 to 80 MPG bu thte Camry’s figure won’t lie. We’ll see

Also I’d be willing to bet the dummy Ford that the Power train chief at Ford just made a deal to license Chevy’s Volt Technology to Ford in some meeting with GM Powertrain Chiefs. That is why Mullaly just recently announced that Ford would have an Electric by 2011. (To my knowledge Ford has NOT been working on an Electric of their own so where did it come from??)
2011 it just so happens is when the Volt is coming out ha za. There ya go.

I see a bad pattern developing here Ford. Two competitiors that you’ve licensed too> Hmm you want to stay in business then stop shooting paper clips across the aisles in Dearborn and come up with a Better Hybrid or Electric TOTALLYon your own. Otherwise you won’t make it LONG TERM.

And What does that say about Ford ..they’re lazier than S*** that exactly what is says about them.

*JohnnyCa* Let me explain this in simple terms. When driving a *Hybrid* the only time you are using electric instead of gas is generally 35mph and under. Giving you better milage in the city. If your on an interstate 90% of the time its not a good idea to get a hybrid. On top of the $6,000 grand it will cost you compared to a 4 banger, youd be buying into technology that youll never use. That is the biggest misconception of the hybrids. First question i ask a customer is if there driving in the city 90% of the time, if there not i advise them to keep that $6,000 for a vacation. Anyway GO FORD and honda can suck it.

I think its kind of foolish to even compare the Toyota hybrid to a new one from ford. Toyota hybrids are the most reliable hybrids made so far. with that said, i would NEVER buy a Toyota hybrid, or any hybrids for that matter. I like DIESELS!! but, ford passing 40mpg on their new hybrids, is definitely something to be proud of..i think.

oh yeah Ford will be getting the short end of the Stick paying the bill for the Licensing agreement and giving up whatever advantage they have with Direct Injection Technology given up to GM. How foolish.

That’ll work!

“I think its kind of foolish to even compare the Toyota hybrid to a new one from ford. Toyota hybrids are the most reliable hybrids made so far. ”

Your statement makes no sense at all. Its only natural to compare the Fusion hybrid to the camry hybrid. Unless you have some proof that the Escape hybrid has been unreliable it is ridiculous to assume that the Fusion hybrid will not be dependable. Most hybrid models come with better warranties than their gas only counterparts so it would be silly to not by this vehicle based on trumped up fears about reliability.

Excellent! 41 mpg is outstanding, and about TIME! True, not that gas is a buck-sixty, it doesn’t mean as much to most people, but wasting gas is wasting gas. There isn’t an unlimited supply of gas, it’s being manipulated by the oil cartels & OPEC, and the speculators. It should be $4+ a gallon in the US, just because everything else has gone up at the same ratio except for gas. 41 mpg with $2 a gallon gas is excellent. 41 mpg with $4 gas is excellent. 41 mpg with $6 gas is excellent. (should I keep going?) (NOOO!!..).. Is this why Ford doesn’t need a few billion dollars extra from the government? Keep it up Ford and maybe they’ll buy GM.

i said its foolish to compare not because its less reliable but because we shouldn’t even be comparing it to Toyota because there will be problems with it. compare it when we “actually” know the real mpg after people buy it and report real life mileage. I could care less what reporters/testers claim their mpg’s where because i never seem to get the same regardless of my driving habits. You must be blind or don’t read car review magz because the ford escape has always had problems with its engine. It has problems with load and the engine power cuts out almost as if it doesn’t want to let you use the power. It kind of feels like trying to turn a screw with a power drill, but it doesn’t have enough power, so it makes that wining noise. There also has been problems with the tranny which makes the like a manual clutch that’s worn down. These however are not new to the hybrids, they have been problems in fords for a long time. I think it’s good that this ford might get the 41mpg because it will only push gm to make more effecient cars…which will be better for us in the end!

I agree with Gunday,

i think its kinda obvious that Ford is doing something better because they have more money right now.

and also, it has problems with the struts, brakes, or bearings, suspension rattling, computer malfunctioning! I’m sure you can find more info if you google it also.

That’s the least to say, Ford developed their own technology Sure buddy “royalties” That means they ripped it off lol. This patriotism **** is something else

Toyota got funding from Japans government. Tell me which ones the smarter of the two?
Umm Toyota bc they got the govt to pay for it lol Toyota developed it with the govt funds
There has yet to be a Ford car that is proven to be equal with a comparable Toyota

tripleonefive – jayjc08 is absolutely correct. The fundamental FACT is that Ford received NOTHING from Toyota, you moron…just recognize Ford’s success for what it is, which is brilliant execution of technology that exceeds the performance Toyota’s current iteration. Why would you run this into the ground?

Hybrids are a a farce and I have been very critical on any hybrid, their impact is extremely limited and I think Ford is primarily doing this for the image. With the Prius showing a 49% sales decline from october to november the timming sucks. That said Fords Eco-Boost engines will have the greater impact on overall fuel consumption at far less consumer costs. Hybrids and diesels have very narrow impacts on overall societail fuel consumptions primarily because of upfront and maintenance costs. It doesn’t pencil out even at $5 a gallon when using average ownership time. Investing in Hybrid technology is a gamble at best and licensing may in the long term be the best way until a technology is devoloped that does not need to be subsidised to be viable. Is it a coincidence that when the tax incentives expired both the Prius and Escape they saw huge declines in sales?

Your a funny guy triple, Toyogasm….oooohhhh what a feeling

I won’t be buying too much into this.
EPA estimates are nice to look at, keep on that trophy cabinet.

But realistically? Same thing happened with many Toyota hybrids. (and any hybrid for that matter)
It probably will be about 38. Still not bad.

But as hell Ford, ADVERTISE THIS. Milk this dry.
You certainly need this.
Maybe fear sell, warning buyers gas’ll skyrocket again to $4 gas, according to a “study”.
Anything.

Get those numbers UP (sales, I mean).

-eat your cereal

just recognize Ford’s success for what it is, which is brilliant execution of technology that exceeds the performance Toyota’s current iteration. Why would you run this into the ground?

How can it exceed Toyota when its using its old tech or sorry paid “royalties” to Toyota and its not proven on the road its estimates ? MORON!

tripleonefive – doesn’t sound like old tech to me. You are an idiot, and everyone here seems to agree.

Wbent,

The biggest facing new drive train technologies, is so much your attitude but really consumer mindset. When gas was cheap people bought SUVs and trucks like there was no tomorrow. When gas threatened $6.00 a gallon the cry for more fuel efficient cars, hybrids and diesels, went out.

The companies responded. The arguments still remain that they are more fuel efficient and are future. Whether it is 2010 or 2020 or 2030 is yet to be said. But that day is coming.

Cost is not an issue if, and this is what gets diesel in trouble when you do not, you tabulate the costs over time. A Parallel hybrid like a Toyota and Lexus hybrid, costs more up front. But over time, repays that in fuel savings. The problem is that Diesel is actually a better alternative to Parallel hybrids because of the marginal improvements in f/econ. On this I agree with you. Parallel hybrids have complex transmissions because it is really two power plants attached to the same transmission. As a Mercedes-Benz engineer deftly remarked “You are paying for two drive trains”. The cost and the marginal improvement is a profound letdown. GM’s weak hybrid basically bolting a motor to the engine is a wiser alternative needing less battery and used really only for parking maneuvers without interfering with normal drain train functions.

However, a Serial Hybrid, like the Chevy Volt and Fisker Karma, poses upwards or two and three times the f/econ of a comparably performing vehicle. You can save money by not requiring the huge battery packs, which make up easily 30-40% of the cost to manufacture the car. But drop the battery and using a smaller much more fuel efficient engine to spin a generator to power the motor that is itself 3-4 times more efficient than the engine running the generator (the Fisker uses a 300Kw motor = 375hp) and you get all the f/econ for roughly the same cost, with the instant torque. Problem is building a transmission that can take the beating E-motors dish out on gears. Direct drive in the wheels is that solution. Also spares the need and costs of a transmission plus fixes that vexing performance issue.

Maintenance? AC-induction, Brushless or Multiphase, motors are utterly fault free. They work or they don’t. The engines are no more or less vulnerable to failure than a conventional car. Serial Hybrids have the same advantages plus the engine is never really working very hard so it will last much longer.

The problem is that the cars are being made to do too much up front. With the Volt you could have had a 50+mpg family car for maybe a couple grand more. There was no need for the batteries upfront. Maybe GM will see that and make the batteries optional later. Parallel hybrids are not even a stop gap. Intelligently boosted engines would do better.

But to achieve the total goal of ending oil dependency, ultimately the ICE is going to have to be reduced and eventually eliminated. It won’t happen overnight, but it will happen.

You are essentailly right Blakkar but for the immediate consumer in the right here and now what makes more sense a poor business case or a viable one that actually has a greater impact overall. Will it come….yes the Fisker, Tesla and Volt are certainly viable once the battery and other technologies catch up. But for the here and now a increase of 4mpg+ without loss of power at a cost that can be paid for in 2 years of the 3 1/2 year average ownership would seem to be a far better bridge to overall reduction of consumption than the very narrow impact of current Hybrids. There is nothing stopping the manufacturers from continuing devolopment on the ultimate end game. The maintenace I refer to is in relation to diesels more than Hybrids, that said as a Hybrid gets older the batteries do lose efficiency which further reduces the business case. I do like GM’s approach.

So if it is a consumer mindset which way as a provider of goods is the proper path.

I think we are saying the same things

@CanGo87. Have you looked at Consumer Reports lately? Of course the Big 3 are making better cars, THAN THEY WERE 10 YEARS AGO. They are still behind the eight ball when compared to Toyota or Honda. Of course competition leads to better products. However, the Big 3 still have not caught up yet. They have had 30 plus years to do it. Maybe in another 30 years they will pass Toyota and Honda for better quality.

NRG Look again. Ford is there. More Top Safety Picks, More Recomended Models and a statistical dead heat with Toyota and Honda. When taken model to model and four year tracking Honda and Ford come out on top.

Yer right 1115, the Japanese ARE perfect and YOU AREN’T JAPANESE; SO, GET OUT OF THEIR CARS! You know you don’t deserve to drive a J2 product. Seriously, do you think before you write? Yer really rackin’ up those ‘racist of the year’ awards. Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Thank God you are in the minority these days. I would hate to live near you. You’d probably turn a fire hose on me, release the dogs and do some other vile nonsense in the name or ‘racial purity.’ Have you no decency tripleonefive? It is not fair that you associate yourself with the decent Japanese people and tarnish their otherwise stirling reputation. You can espouse all the hate you want, but you have no right to speak for the Japanese and that’s what we all know you want to do.

Now, go take the aforementioned firehouse and clean off your keyboard as we all know you’ve been typing b.s. all day.

Where’s tripleoneflipper, so we can get some sensible 111somethin’ posts?

For all of you who don’t know, Fords licesning agreement with Toyota ended model year 2007. The 2008 Escape/Mariner uses Fords own technology. Albeit probably improved from the old Toyota software. This new technology in the Fusion/Milan is completely of Fords design and is regarded as the tops in engineering and computing design for Hybrid systems.

Funny how easy it is for you smug pukes like to rag on the D3. I would bet that even prior to all this turmoil the D3 product output quality and efficiency per worker is at least on par or better than the companies you jokesters work for. Too bad for the D3 that they are in a limelight industry and stiff competition. You smug jokesters should just consider yourselves lucky that you’re not in the same competitive positions. You would probably be squirming along with the D3. America is not noted for high quality high efficiency workers and I am sure that includes the majority of you pukes who rag on the D3.

NipponRules – I agree in general with your sentiment, but let me correct you on a factual matter: The American workforce/econcomy is the most productive in the world…by quite a stretch. Your comments might be somewhat accurate in the narrower context of automotive manufacturing.

Architect,

But that ignores the fact that the Japanese and South Koreans have to use Americans workers to be competitive in the US. They made themselves at our expense. But we may start getting some of our money back if HONDA HQ relocates to the USA.

Truthfully, The American Worker is the best in the world but the proverbial country mile. The issue is what they are working on. It would seem FORD has been asking the hard questions on that but is still getting some soft answers in return (Edge – could be much better as a true Performance Utility Vehicle, Flex – Wanted: The Explorer America, the Euro Focus – Wanted: Every version in the US, Fiesta – it’s been in Mexico for a while, and the Falcon – Wanted: A date certain for the US). But even those answers are yielding dividends.

Again, the American worker is the best and they were paid like it. But to every day comes a night. No, the line workers are not being paid $75/hour- that just the tabulated cost for health and benefits for all the workers including those who retired 40+ years ago. In truth, they get paid less than those working for TOYOTA and HONDA. But taken at $75/hour it does show an enormous need to get those retired workers off the books and health costs under control.

You can blame the Union Leadership and the Company Execs for that mess. As with a Movie, I never blame the actors, I blame the Director and the Writer.

1115-

http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2004062345528

“Is Ford using the Toyota hybrid system?

Although the Ford hybrid system is very similar to Toyota’s, Toyota is not directly supplying any components to Ford. Toyota and Ford have entered into a licensing agreement allowing Ford to use technology that had been patented by Toyota. Toyota welcomes the introduction of the Escape hybrid and Ford’s effort to demonstrate and gain acceptance of this important environmental technology.”

Any more questions about Ford using Toyota’s hybrid system?

You don’t get to be the most obese nation in the world by being energetic. 30 or 40 years ago America may have been at the top. The Southeast Asians are far and away more productive than Americans. Hands down.

NipponRules-

I really do not mean to pick a fight, but U.S. workers are routinely the most productive in the world. I do not know what sources you prefer to believe, but hopefully CBS’ format will be acceptable:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/03/business/main3228735.shtml

And to address why Americans are so fat. Much of the weight is due to our sedentary lifestyle and one of the largest contributors to that is long hours spent working (only Japanese workers spend more average hours working/day than Americans). You can’t exercise (or see your children), walk to lunch or take the time to cook healthy meals when you are constantly working to be the most productive workers. Again, I do not mean to pick a fight. However, having seen my father toil for 16 hours a day and 6 days a week in his pharmacy (I pretty much grew up without a dad as a result), I can confirm that at least one American is anything but lazy.

Oh and for anyone who might question how much my father worked, his pharmacy was open from 7-9 and then he usually did about 2 hours of bookwork afterwards. Anyone who runs their own business can confirm that those types of hours must be worked quite often to stay afloat and there is NO healthcare or overtime. Moreover, the last “family vacation” we had was when I was 11 and dad was in business meetings the whole time because it was during the time he served as president of the Delaware Pharmaceutical Association. I don’t mean to come off as angry Nippon, but I hope you can understand why your comments might ruffle some people who see many examples in their life of American workers who go above and beyond.

Jay
Thanksfor the blurb
It does highlight the fact the ord DOES use Toyota technlogy (Patented), but parts aren’t supplied by Toyota
In other words, Ford wouldn’t have been able to make a competitive Hybrid this quickly without Toyota’s technology

A smart person would say “Why would Toyota allow Ford to use Toyota tech to compete against a Toyota product?” Very simple

Toyota is looking to breed acceptance of Hybrids as the THE powertrain of the future. And they know, when it comes down to it, the can outproduce and outperform any hybrid from any other maker. Competition will breed inteerst in the genre, and sales long-term, of which Toyota’s leadership will earn it the Lion’s share, like Ford with the F-series pick-up 50+ years ago.

It is in Toyota’s best interest to get Hybrids over, no matter who makes them

BTW, licensing agreements aren’t free. Toyota gets paid for the patent infringement

The Fusion has a newer, smaller, more advanced battery. It’s been more than 2 years since Toyota invented the Camry Hybrid. All Ford had to do was knock-off the hard parts, and find a supplier to make a smaller, more powerful battery.

Give Ford credit.
Just not Too much credit.
DrFill

NipponRules – see Lionwithoutpride’s post to right your misconception. Your opinion, surprisingly, has no correlation to the facts.

No one argues that Ford/GM made inferior products for years, but this had NOTHING to do with the productivity of the American workforce. Nothing.

Lionwithoutpride, I toally agree there are many examples my father included who pretty much sacrificed their lives to make a decent living. I put in a lot of hours myself. At the same time if you look around you will see a good percentage of non productive waste of skins. All I had said before and maintain is that the bleeps on this site that troll the D3 are probably no more productive than the D3. This being quality, quantity, efficiency …. Easy to troll if you are not in competition and maybe just maybe a little lopsided playing field. ie legacy costs, benefits ….. We all like to have them. What makes these trolls so special?

NipponRules-

I won’t trouble you any further. I can see your side of things.

Hmmm I don’t know that I can give Ford 100% or any credit whatsoever for using someone else’s Toyota Hybrid technology on their Escape and Now Fusion and Milan.
It absolutely matters whether Ford purchased a Licensed agreement or did it on their own. If they did license Toyota Hybrid Tech then shame on them that is like cheating on a test.
However If Ford genuinely they Created Hybrid Tech on their own using their own methodology and not Toyota’s Hybrid or anyone else’s then Kudos to Ford. You did good. But I am not convinced.
I talked to a Lazy Load Lips Ford Rep at the Milwaukee Auto Show maybe a couple of years ago that told me Ford does want to overlap or Replicate what Toyota has already done. TO me that is just plain Laziness on Ford’s part.

True Innovation is what separates a Great Company from a Wannabe or a Soon to be Has been auto company. You can not truely be a Great company in any field by borrowing licensed patents to use in your products. THe only exception is that. A Company may use it as a stop gap measeure to get the company thru a jam and to into a better period where they can catch up. This Recession would be a good example of a time to use it. And is the only time you use it.

Using a patent on a sparingly basis ok. Consistently doing it makes you look the fool.

I think the Ford Fusion could be a big hit in the city where MPH routinely do not go much above 40 MPH which woulld use the Hybrid Tech and get better MPG

DrFill- What more can I say? Your bias blinds you. The article obviously states that Ford doesn’t use any of the Toyota’s technology. It also states that Ford already had it’s own system in development without Toyota’s help, meaning Ford has no need to carry over Toyota’s system.

If both systems are the same, which I’ll repeat again, Ford developed on it’s own and Toyota developed on it’s own, why not share a few parts? You might as well say the Sebring is copying the Fusion because they use the same radiator hose!

And to my further knowledge, I don’t believe Ford’s hybrid system even shares any components from Toyota. They’ve had this liscence open for years now and… they have yet to share anything major.

Give credit where credits due. Both Ford and Toyota developed their own systems. Kudo’s to both.

And here’s a tip; learn to read things in context.

My above comment also goes to Bankruptcy2009.

did Toyota invent GM’s 2 mode system too? funny how no one talks about the fact that Toyota has made ZERO progress on a hybrid system for large vehicles. Unless Toyota thinks pickups and SUVs are going to dissappear I would think they should be working on a solution. GM/MB/BMW already have one.

Talk about fat obese Americans. I am a prime example of this. If I had a job, that would be less time for me to do all this resale value research I do. Of course my Mom would be happy if I came out of the basement every once in awhile. I sure love my Mom though. If it were not for her home schooling me in front of the TV I would still be getting beat up in the gym class lockroom and having my deodorant stolen right out my hands. Trust me, you stck out in 9thgrade when you wear an FU America t-shirt.

Thank you my pet whenever I say post you obey I like that in a loser Post again

LOL @
Japanese ARE perfect and YOU AREN’T JAPANESE; SO, GET OUT OF THEIR CARS! You know you don’t deserve to drive a J2 product. Seriously, do you think before you write? Yer really rackin’ up those ‘racist of the year’ awards. Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
Thank God you are in the minority these days. I would hate to live near you. You’d probably turn a fire hose on me, release the dogs and do some other vile nonsense in the name or ‘racial purity.’
Have you no decency tripleonefive? It is not fair that you associate yourself with the decent Japanese people and tarnish their otherwise stirling reputation. You can espouse all the hate you want, but you have no right to speak for the Japanese and that’s what we all know you want to do.

Now, go take the aforementioned firehouse and clean off your keyboard as we all know you’ve been typing b.s. all day.

Where’s triple one flipper, so we can get some sensible 111somethin’ posts?
My lil bitch posts when I tell him to Lionpride you dont even make sense Post something about a car

Does 1115 stand for Hitler in bible code or something?

Because his post is about the most rank in terms of racism I have ever read on this forum.

Why should anyone post anything about cars? Tripleonefive is the last word on that subject, right? Him and his sources. Btw, I just took my evidence exam a week ago. Do not believe his nonsense about KBB as being the only reliable source used in court. Even the vaunted KBB still has to be authenticated by an expert witness (in almost all instances) and those expert witnesses use plenty of other sources for car information.

Btw, tripleonehavenofriends, don’t Toyotas have microchips in them? Weren’t those invented in the U.S.? What is wrong with one car company purchasing another car company’s tech and improving upon it? Obviously, for the time being, Ford is the leader in Hybrid efficiency. That does not mean Toyota will not respond and do a darn good job in reply. Quit being such a sycophant.

And I am sorry to other posters for replying to tripleoneracist, but this is not the kindergarten. You cannot allow evil people to spread lies and hate by ignoring them. We all have to confront evil. We will never silence tripleonefive, but at least he will not labor under the assumption that people accept his b.s.

wow that tripleonefive person is a character….like people have said before, lets just give Ford credit here and take it for what it is. This car WILL get better gas mileage than the Camry. We might not know if it will get the 41 like hte article says but even if it falls short and only achieves 38 it still beats out the Camry, which honestly is fords biggest goal. So either way it goes…..GOOD JOB FORD way to show the foreign makers (and those non beliver Americans) that Detoroit can build a vehicle that not only rivals them but surpasses them.

EGGcellent! What ya got to say now, Toy Ota? Hmm?!?

LOL a jumping the gun and calling Ford # 1 based on estimates of a car that is not out yet lol I bet you believe their commercials that say they are unsurpassed by Toyota and Honda
Keep dreaming