Comments on: Trademark filing confirms “430 GT California” name for new Ferrari

By: LP640

LP640 — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:43:03 +0000

this so called “entry level” Ferrari will no doubt be very expensive like the pointless AMV8 Vantage

By: rompn4x

rompn4x — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:18:53 +0000

I helped restore 2 Dinos, and they are ehhh okay I guess. Kinda cool looking but they both wernt fast

By: maximus

maximus — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:41:16 +0000

Why not just market a replica of the carefully restored 1961 Ferrari 250 GT California used in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off?

By: sik59rt

sik59rt — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:51:08 +0000

Kaizen…500hp doesnt mean that much when you are comparing the coach work on a Ferrari to a Toyota. Granted the new LFA is beautiful, but its no Ferrari. the Italian manufacturer has a long history of making some of the most beautiful cars in the world.
if you think 500 means it should be in the Ferrari class, then what about the new Viper or the Z06? hell the Viper has 600hp for less than $130k. Should the Scuderia be worried about that one too?

By: Piablo

Piablo — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:15:25 +0000

To your point then I suppose Ferrari should worry about GM too. Maybe they should be worried about Ford coming out with another GT. Mercedes Benz has 1 car, the SLR, that is in Ferrari’s range, and that is it. Aston Martin has 1 car, that is it. With all due respect, I don’t think you understand what makes Ferrari successful.

By: Kaizen

Kaizen — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:59:18 +0000

If you think Ferrari is not concerned with Lexus as a future competitor, that would be the same short-sightedness the domestics had when they wrote off Honda and Toyota in the 70s.

And to sik59rt and jackjimturkey, a probably very reliable 2 door sportscar with 500+ hp and RWD for $130K? If Ferrari shouldn’t be concerned with it, what SHOULD they be concerned with?

And to Piablo, I’d take the LF-A. That’s even based on simple idea that it’s different and probably will perform just as well or better. There are some many Porsches that ALL look the same. So the $60K Boxster looks like a 911 Turbo. No thanks.

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:33:43 +0000

i never knew ferarri was concerned about astin as a competitor.

By: jackjimturkey

jackjimturkey — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:24:18 +0000

Bad idea.

“Let those who want the “LF-A” have it.

Ferrari should only be concerned about Bugatti, Lambo, and (if they’re still around) Cizeta

By: sik59rt

sik59rt — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:11:04 +0000

god, how much longer can they run this story into the ground? must be a slow news day again. and Ferrari is not worried about a $130k car. the LFA is not meant to compete with the likes of a Ferrari or a Gallardo.

By: Piablo

Piablo — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:08:16 +0000

Kaizen – Would you rather have a Lexus LF-A or a 911 Turbo? I think Lexus will have a tough time convincing others of the same question. There are many vehicles at the $130+/- price point and I’m not sure Ferrari will alter it’s product lineup because one more vehicle popped up. If anything, they will raise their prices to keep their market above the growing $100k market.

By: Kaizen

Kaizen — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:21:57 +0000

These rumors are probably true. Ferarri is worried about the LF-A. Based on what Lexus China announced, it should retail in the US for $130,000 and will probably be the highest profiting vehicle Lexus makes. Also, theres other vehicles from different manufacturers like Porsche and Audi that are ready to compete as well. So Ferrari sees an opportunity.

By: Piablo

Piablo — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:20:08 +0000

This is pretty annoying…..

By: autonut

autonut — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:56:24 +0000

The problem for Ferrari is that based on CNBC report you cant buy one today. You can order one with 1 year delivery date, but because of the glut of billionaires all their capacity is filled a year in advance. Ditto Lambo. The only pricey toys are available from Porsche. My guess it that “entry” level will be outsourced to meet the demand of really important customers (Russian tycoons and Arab sheiks), while creating somewhat Scion division with an entry car. The characteristics are less important then the marque at this point.

By: Rotman

Rotman — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:37:52 +0000

@Blakkarr, posted on September21 at 4:29 pm

Ferrari is owned by Fiat SpA in Torino.

By: gilby7

gilby7 — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:34:32 +0000

$182,000 (dollars) for an “entry level” car, whew. I agree that Ferrari has to maintain their exclusivity; they are several notches above almost any other car company with their performance, mystique, and exclusivity. You typically don’t use a Ferrari for a daily driver. Porsche has a HUGE seller in it’s SUV – Cayenne which scores of folks thought would kill the brand and now it’s coming out with a 4-door sedan (who knows what to call cars these days when “coupes” have 4 doors). BMW’s new 1-series was said by many to be the bitter end of any remaining BMW exclusivity. Ferrari is proposing a car that will still sell at around $200,000 so that’s still a pretty exclusive price point. The Ferrari owner’s club won’t grow that by that many new members because of a $200,000 car. If the car was $100,000 or less, that’d be a different story.

By: Got Handling?

Got Handling? — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:07:51 +0000

The hard top in the blingblog link is gorgeous. Echoes of the 250′s. As sik59rt points out, it does look like photoshoppery, but we can hope.

By: Renton

Renton — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:47:19 +0000

I remember when Ferrari 308s were just a little bit more expensive than a 911. It was not an exclusive club to own one either.

It was even simpler back in the ’60s.

Now some of you “experts” talk about “NO ENTRY LEVEL FERRARI EVER!” WTF?????

Whatever they decide to do it will still be a Ferrari.

(Even though it will probably be sold as a Maserati most likely. It will still be designed , made by, and part sourced by Ferrari anyway. who cares?)

By: Madcapp

Madcapp — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:58:43 +0000

I don’t get it. When they said entry level, I was expecting $25,000 so it could compete with the Fiero and MR-2.

By: AutoForums.com

AutoForums.com — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:57:44 +0000

I hope they make the Dino…from what I’ve seen it’s going to be gorgeous!

http://www.Ferrari-Talk.com

By: sik59rt

sik59rt — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:15:47 +0000

wow i think ive been saying that for months now.

By: Veda

Veda — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:58:42 +0000

“but definitive evidence has yet to be discovered and Ferrari officials adamantly deny that a Dino is in the works.”

Case closed

By: BLISS

BLISS — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:57:32 +0000

THEY SHOULD GIVE IT A PUSH START

By: Htay5500

Htay5500 — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:39:23 +0000

isn’t a maserati coupe enough?

By: GBilbo070

GBilbo070 — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:35:21 +0000

A hard top convertable ferrari? That just ruins the whole sporty, focused and lightweight image. Rag top please.

By: sik59rt

sik59rt — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 05:16:04 +0000

its funny those two links above show two completely different “Dinos”…and that first link looks like a horrible hack photoshop job

By: nowei

nowei — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:42:14 +0000

I don’t think the majority of the people here grasp the concept of “entry level.” Ferrari already has an entry level car, it’s called the F430. It’s the cheapest model they sell, and therefore the entry level. Pick any brand of anything you want, and as long as they make a variety of the same type of thing, they have an entry level version of it. In cars, the entry level Chevrolet is an Aveo, the entry level Infiniti is a G35, and the entry level Maybach is a 57. Making an entry level model, or even making a new entry level model that allows a brand into a new and possibly larger market, doesn’t automatically mean, “it’s a cheap piece of junk that everyone and his dog will have.”

By: hecti036

hecti036 — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:50:56 +0000

and this one

http://www.coches-es.com/noticias/287/ferrari-dino-fotos-espia/

By: hecti036

hecti036 — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:43:52 +0000

Check this sight out

http://www.blingblog.info/2006/12/11/ferrari-420-dino/

just found it

By: hecti036

hecti036 — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:37:37 +0000

If you guys click on the spy shots link in this article and look at one of the pictures of the back of that 599, you will see that where the diffuser is, there is actually what looks like 2 turbo inter coolers, or one intercooler and one raidiator(or oil cooler) this is no upgrede to the 599, this is a new car, maybe a rear engine 599 who knows
????

By: sik59rt

sik59rt — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:36:09 +0000

and its funny in paragraph 3 they say they pretty much dont know what they are talking about

By: sik59rt

sik59rt — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:35:17 +0000

i guess Ferrari’s CEO was wrong when he emphatically stated no Dino…i mean what does he know right?

By: Piablo

Piablo — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:05:14 +0000

As Blakkar pointed out, there’s a waiting list. Entry level and waiting list do not belong together. Part of Ferrari’s attraction is that waiting list. Their cars are the only things in the world that someone with more money than they’ll ever need can’t simply go out and buy and take home that day. $180K, maybe. $140K, never. And I doubt they will ever use the “Dino” name anyway. Not only does it have significant family meaning, but it also represents “entry level”. They’ll stay away from that description as long as they remain the pinnacle of exclusivity.

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:15:00 +0000

GL1,although i agree lets not get this started into a flaming war please.

By: jamaicandude

jamaicandude — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:07:03 +0000

Did you guys look at the projected price? That’s still over a hundred grand! Entry level or not, the price tag still says Ferrari to me. And an entry level Ferrari will sill be so much better than a lot of other marques top tier efforts.

By: GL1

GL1 — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:03:46 +0000

Even for that money I’d MUCH rather have a new ZR-1 vette than the entry level pasta car… It would be MUCH MUCH faster and a LOT less expensive than 140,000.

By: affliction

affliction — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:29:28 +0000

heh “entry-level” but it ain’t an entry-level price…trust me, if you can easily afford a dino, you could probably buy the f430

By: Blakkarr

Blakkarr — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:29:04 +0000

Sorry. I know I was low balling pretty bad. Frankly I was of the opinion that Ferrari didn’t sell anything for less than $200K. The 360 Modena was the last Ferrari, I know, stickered for less than $190K. The 430 was a jump of over $40K.

By “new business” I think that I am not entirely wrong. However, outside Europe, Ferrari’s are consistantly outnumbered at the track and their cars frequently are not doing all that well. A less expensive car will attract more new racing teams, or teams looking to change cars to Ferrari, increasing presence, prestige, especially if they win, and Sells. Nothing sells like a winner. Racers buy, and drivers buy because the car wins important races.

Ferrari also faces the prospect of becoming a Publicly traded company. If that happens, Investors are going to demand that Ferrari go for a larger slice of the Super car market pie. A sub $150K car (That’s a bit more than a Porsche Carrera S) will meet that without doing any harm to Ferrari’s name.

By: Wickedated

Wickedated — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:02:24 +0000

BLAKKARR– “The problem is they aren’t attracting much new business with their starting price at around $160K. They still have that aggravating waiting list nearly 2 years long.”

First, no Ferrari starts at $160k. Here in the US at least, used F430s go for well above $230K. Spiders are stickered at 300ks. The MSRP for those things start at 175K before any options, and trust me, not one is sold at MSRP. Secondly, your statement seems quite contradictory. Ferraris DO have a waiting list of over 2 years, they don’t have any problem attracting new business. All the “new money” buys Ferrari, look at the markets in Russia, China, India, Saudi Arabia. Ferrari is still the number one exotic brand, they have no problem selling or attracting business.

And an “entry level” Ferrari is still well beyond the means of 90% of the world. Don’t believe what’s being said here on LLN. Even if Ferrari releases the Dino, which I hope they do, it’ll be north of 200k, especially with the depreciating dollar and the high premium that will be asked by dealers in response to demand.

By: LP640

LP640 — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:50:59 +0000

it would ruin ferrari’s image if they made an “entry level car” they should just leave things as is and get to work on the enzo’s replacement.
DEATH TO THE DINO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: jackjimturkey

jackjimturkey — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:49:01 +0000

No.
Entry-Level.
Ferarri.
Ever.

By: Blakkarr

Blakkarr — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:41:22 +0000

I remember when the Ferrari 350 stickered at “only” $135K. With options, it was around $155K.

The problem is they aren’t attracting much new business with their starting price at around $160K. Ferrari has a great reputation but that doesn’t seem to be enough to draw out the wallets of the new rich.

But I still wonder if Ferrari is going to expand it’s workforce. They still have that aggravating waiting list nearly 2 years long. By the time you get you shiny new super car, the next model just went on sell.

More workers, tall order considering the caliber Ferrari demands, before more models.

By: jonnycat

jonnycat — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:38:45 +0000

That’d be an expensive 350hp car. I could never justify a sub par par Ferrari at double the cost of a Vette

By: p3rider08

p3rider08 — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:37:09 +0000

NO NO NO NO NO… I don’t care if I will never be able to afford a ferrari, the fact their will be a “entry level ferrari” pisses me off. If everyone is driving around in Ferraris’ that takes away from the exclusiveness of it all.