Comments on: Fiat CEO predicts only six global automakers to survive crisis

By: hondAccord

hondAccord — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:19:59 +0000

the crisis is looking that bad right now but who am i to say that. but i doubt that just one japanese. Honda is too independent for that to happen. but if it did happen it would be an awesome collabo of BMW and Honda. imagine the result of the M cars. shit they would have a redline of 13k, lol. i think that Ford would be the big wig in the US. that wouldnt be bad at all considering if all their products made in the US were as good as the ones in the UK. Its a shame they didnt think about doing that in the beginning….

By: A4

A4 — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:27:52 +0000

idrinorbarsku audi is VW, and i dont think he was referring to ultra high performance makers like ferrari and lamborghini when he said “global”. He may not have even been referring to BMW or Merc and may just be referring to “global” makers of cars for the masses.

By: mtema99

mtema99 — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:21:57 +0000

and about PSA i guess it ‘ll better if it merge with mitsubishi

Specially they ‘ll benefit with it’s AWD tech

and mitsubishi ‘ll benefit of sales in europe specially france and east europe

but i guess it is not Honda way to buy PSA

and ‘ll be useless

also Hyundai ‘ll need a luxury halo Marque instead of making new luxury one

which is not with the case of PSA

By: mtema99

mtema99 — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:15:28 +0000

but BMW if it rolled under VW
VW now have Audi , Bently and even more porche ‘ll take all VAG sooner or later
and if goes under RNG
they also have infiniti which they spend a lot of money for it’s image world wide

i guess BMW with Honda is much more better
honda need RWD and BMW had that tech.
also Honda’s luxury marque ACURA is just selling in USA
so its ease to replace it

By: TomF

TomF — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:08:56 +0000

in the grand scheme of things BMW is a niche brand; they’ll be rolled up into VW or Renault-Nissan. PSA needs an Asian partner like Renault secured for itself; maybe Honda or Hyundai.

By: mtema99

mtema99 — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:50 +0000

thanks mayer_ray_nagin
but why not honda and toyota merge with each other
or toyota buy honda for example cause it had a lot of more cash than honda?
and i have other question to TomF
what about the future you see to BMW & PSA?

By: TomF

TomF — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:12:26 +0000

The Fiat guy is right, only he’s not on the list.

Ford-GM
Toyota
Renault-Nissan
Volkswagen
Honda
Hyundai

That’s six GLOBAL COMBINES, not individual automotive brands.

By: yarddog82abn

yarddog82abn — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:48:03 +0000

It’s to soon to say, I thank it’s more likely we see the collapse of international racing F-1, Le Mans, Moto-GP, you know cut cost first, before a massive merer of auto manufactures…

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:02:07 +0000

i don’t believe this. bmw, audi, vw, mb, toyota/lexus, nissan/infiniti, honda/acura, Ferrari, Lamborghini, renault, and lots of other European cars that i can’t see going out of business unless all of humanity dies!

By: mayer_ray_nagin

mayer_ray_nagin — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:50:35 +0000

Mtema99, that hisotry says that Toyota HAD a 40% share of the original Honda piston ring company in 1937 that gave Soichiro Honda his start. The Honda Motor Company of today is a different company.

By: mtema99

mtema99 — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:46:28 +0000

A legendary man created a legendary company. Soichiro Honda was born in a family running a small workshop for repairing bicycles. In 1937, he started his business by making piston rings designed and patented by himself. Interestingly, Toyota, its arch-rival today, held 40% equity in that company and used its piston rings.

By: mtema99

mtema99 — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:45:46 +0000

i read that toyota have 40% of honda

and that is the link

http://www.autozine.org/Manufacturer/Japan.htm#Honda

can any one confirm

and if yes

why every one have a single managment

By: swamp donkey

swamp donkey — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:45:37 +0000

Last I remember Germany is in Europe… 6 automakers to survive, seriously, what are you smoking?

By: mayer_ray_nagin

mayer_ray_nagin — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:11:08 +0000

If this italian thinks one of Toyota or Honda is going to disappear with 24 months he can bite the big linguini. Personally I would not mind seeing 2 of germany’s big 3 disappearing (namely Dainler and BMW) because I loathe brands that market to delusionary snobs, but I’d hate to see VW survive because they build bland crap of the poorest quality in Germany (which says a lot because all the German cars are qualitatively overated).

I think Fiat will merge with a frog company (probably Peugot), Ford will come thru, GM will be diminished but still there, VW and BMW (maybe combined with Daimler) will be around, the swedes are toast, Toyota & Honda & Nissan/Renault are there, 3 state-supported seed companies in China, and Tata and one more emerging company in India. For the time being, anyway.

By: howsmydriving

howsmydriving — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:15:48 +0000

What a dark day for motoring if BMW and MB fail, leaving the hideous VW standing.

By: AnonymousCoward

AnonymousCoward — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:44:37 +0000

Will definitely be more than 6 *brands*, but what I guess he means is 6 *companies* controlling the whole thing. Not far away from that already today. My guess is one Korean, two Japanese, one US, three German, and one French. Plus some very small makers of luxury sports car.

By: A4

A4 — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:43:29 +0000

Ford
Volkswagen
Renault-Nissan
Honda, although Toyota would be likely also
China sucks
and Fiat must be talking about themselves.

By: VictorRaikkonen

VictorRaikkonen — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:25:12 +0000

I reckon everything he has stated is a load of rubbish… I mean honestly, 6 global automakers… right.

By: oldraven

oldraven — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:12:02 +0000

I think this guy’s crying a little too much doomsday. If they survived the 70′s, 80′s and 90′s, they can survive the Otts.

By: bbtrick

bbtrick — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:38:51 +0000

perhaps the article is a little misleading. i dont think that there will be only 6 makes (ie fiat, bmw, porsche, ford, volvo, etc), rather that all the different brands or makes will fall under one house, one major company. thus ford may end up with several different brands as they has when they owned jaguar, austin, volvo, mazda, etc.
I’m not saying that i agree or disagree with the premise that only six will survive, just that even if only six major makers survive, they will likely still produce several different brands. Granted some of the brands should/will/may dissapear (no predictions on which ones), however even with only six houses (as the article put it) i think that bmw and volkswagen and porsche and fiat etc will continue to exist if for no reason other than brand name and recognition.
BMW may have to sell itself, however can anyone really think it would be a good idea to simply buy the BMW assets and dump the name? If VW bought BMW, I believe they would still make a BMW brand, not just kill it off entirely.
Putting it into that kind of context (that many of the brands will still exist, just not as individual makers) then it doesnt seem to far fetched to have this happen.

By: WEKS

WEKS — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:57:04 +0000

Just six? That’s kinda hard to imagine…

By: gt4fyou

gt4fyou — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:55:49 +0000

well not surprised. people are going to have to use up the car(s) they have now and not cycle through them like they’re fashion accessories