Europeons love to smoke anyway, so inhaling the American exhaust blowing up their smug faces as they sit in awe will be nothing new.

^ So true Mayer.

FINALLY.

my biggest complaint was gonna be that the handling would be piss poor like it is on all cadillac’s but looks like the adressed that issue. good job on puttin the M5 in it’s place

Score one for the underdog! All is NOT darkness.

Good Job Caddy, problem is this victory is short-lived as the article states, the m5 is almost 3 years old. Caddy’s price though FTW!

There’s also one more thing that GM perfected perfectly……the plasticy cheap interior.

Quick, somebody go rack up 50k miles on one and if it still works just as well then Caddy can really rub their noses in it.

Let’s call it an M5 killer when it posts a better ‘ring lap time. 0-60 times are for teenagers on Main Street.

send this car to europe and we wont look twice. M5 LIKE THE M3 is the benchmark. ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL BE.
+ THE M5 is 3 years old.

Even if CTS-V is better on paper than M5, CTS-V has an uphill battle, being a car that shares a common legacy with Cimarron, Catera, Seville, etc., etc. Oh, and yes there’s that persnickety GM plasticy interior thing….

There’s also one more thing that GM perfected perfectly……the plasticy cheap interior.

IS there such a thing as a ‘rich’ plasticy interior? last time I checked Caddy had just as nice an interior as most luxury cars and a way better value. but keep on bitching about the same percieved problem GM has from 10 years ago.

to 56oval:
Sad to say but the CTS-V did beat the M5 around the ring. Don’t get me wrong but if it didn’t have that humungous straightaway i bet the M5 would still be holding the fastest production saloon to lap the ring.

last time I checked Caddy had just as nice an interior as most luxury cars
bradleygt

how the ****.
the CTS is caddys best interior and it still aint a class leader.
STS/DTS/ESCLADE/XLR are all equally terrible

I do think caddy can how build a respectable car after 100years in the business but christ did it take time

to 56oval:
Sad to say but the CTS-V did beat the M5 around the ring. Don’t get me wrong but if it didn’t have that humungous straightaway i bet the M5 would still be holding the fastest production saloon to lap the ring.

Are you high, it killed that M5 in the slalom test, if that’s not a testament to it’s low speed handling I don’t know what is. Just get over it and give respect where it’s due.

F**K YEA!

So you have a M5 killer…. Now old ladies can ride fast…
Did you realize that you needed to bring here that crap to make something less bad…
That was tested in the Nurburgring…

fuk-u-asshole: Really? Because last time I checked, everyones been complaining about the quality of Mercedes, Audi and BMW quality, not Cadillac… I doubt you’ve spent anytime in any of those vehicles. The XLR was just a quick put together, pitiful and yes, does have a low quality interior. Other than that, the Escalades interior isn’t much different from its siblings, simple but nice (spent some time in one a while back), and the STS and DTS all have REALLY nice quality interiors, hard to believe but they do. The STS’s interior may look cheap, especially the center dash and around the steering wheel, but it’s put together well, especially after it’s recent update.

oh please give it up jayjc08.
You dont know me and how can you presume I havent spent anytime in those vehicles.
ESCALADE IS THE WORST IN CADDY LINEUP. TERRIBLE IN EVERYWAY

Is it RWD?

“Let’s call it an M5 killer when it posts a better ‘ring lap time. 0-60 times are for teenagers on Main Street.

Comment by 56oval, posted on August26 at 1:21 pm ”

It already did! Where have you been? In a cave?

Not only did the CTS-V obliterate the M5’s Nurburgring lap time with a 7:59 (the M5 could only do an 8:13), it also set a record for the fastest production sedan in the world.

The quality just ain’t there. Making a fast car that will stop and turn isn’t enough. Like a hot chick that doesn’t shave and has bad breath. Like johnny said, put some miles on it and see what happens…

“However, with BMW reportedly developing a turbocharged version of its M5, we’re quite sure we haven’t heard the last in the super sedan wars. ”

nice cop out line by LLN. Did anyone say something similar when the M5 came out?

brassmonkey,

Do you have any proof that Cadillacs dont last? Of course not. CAdillac routinely lands higher than any German brand in JD Power dependability surveys. YOu folks are full of more excuses than politicians. The CTS_v is faster and costs less and thus its a no compromise super sedan.

Also, the CTS’ interior is better than the dull interior of the 5 series. No idrive, a better design and more technology. Some of you people should sit in a Cadillac that is less than 15 years old before commenting. Of course most of you have probably never even been in a Cadillac period.

I like seeing all these Euro lovers like brassmonkey, CarResearcher, etc. trying to create all these pathetic excuses, and even making things up from their sorry little minds with no facts. The quality isn’t there? What facts do you have to back up that claim? The car isn’t even in production yet!

Suck it up losers. Your beloved M5 got owned in EVERY category. Get over it and show respect where respect is due.

Hey, I like the M5, but it is an inferior car to the CTS-V, and that is a fact. The real fun part will be when the pricing is announced - it will completely embarrass the M5. BMW will have some explaining to do why they charge $90k for a slower, inferior car.

Good for Caddy!! The M5 is weak anyway.

Yeah, but what about the RS6 sedan, will definatley match performance at least, still a great car though, these super sedans are soo much cheaper than supercars yet they offer more except look, people who say thats just a 30,000USD car and your paying tripple are stupid. i.e. msn cars.
Great performance figures but what about build quality, noise, comfort. for the people buying these type of cars these are just as important as the effortless speed and i think the european counterparts will out do the caddy in this area, making thier higher price tags reasonable, respectivley.

I really love how street car’s performance benchmarks are now how fast a car can lap the Nurburgring. Everyone should give this vehicle respect for whipping the M5 around the ‘ring.

Since when is brassmonkey a Euro lover? We all want the CTS to succeed, but take the blinders off and open up the auto classifieds in your local rag and check out what the average used Caddy is worth. There’s a reason that after 2 years most have depreciated 50%, and all the JD Powerless dependability studies in the world are not going to change that. Cadillac still has to prove that the drivetrains last, the interior bits don’t fall off and that, after it has some miles on it, it doesn’t rattle and creak everytime you cross a set of railway tracks. In simple terms is it screwed together as well as the BMW. That’s all we’re saying. If you’re willing to accept some shortcomings because it’s cheaper than the BMW, then you should also accept that your two year old Cadillac is now worth half of what you paid for it.

sweet….I just hope, for my sake that these things don’t hold there value well…simply so I can pick up a low milage example in 2 years for a fraction of the price

Sweet! Go Caddy. Yeah 56oval, as ZO6ified pointed out the CTS-V already set a lap record for production sedans on the “gring” So the CTS-V has been there and done that…

I can’t wait for the CTS-V Coupe to come out. Now that is going to be bad-ass.

“Cadillac still has to prove that the drivetrains last, the interior bits don’t fall off and that, after it has some miles on it, it doesn’t rattle and creak everytime you cross a set of railway tracks. In simple terms is it screwed together as well as the BMW. That’s all we’re saying.”

The last 3 year old Cadillac I was in (SRX) had no rattles, no problems, nothing fallen off.

The last 3 year old BMW I was in (525i) had plenty of rattles, creaks, and had been to the dealer numerous times for electrical gremlins.

Your post implies that interior bits fall off all the time on Cadillacs. Would you care to enlighten us on which Cadillac model has such a problem, and what interior bit you are referring to?

If you can’t stick to the facts, don’t make up stories - just be silent.

YeePeeeee For Caddy.

CTS-V is many things, but a BMW M5-killer it aint!

smoking kills.

Cimarron was crap, Catera had mno market, Seville was OK, then crap.

old ladies won’t use all o’ the power & handling. They ponly catre how quick it gets 2 30, and if the aibags whel break therer hips when they craskh.

Escalade is not terrible, it just has 0 reasion 2 exist.

The quality is there. Just not 2 M5 level.

there is no proof that Cadillacs dont last? CAdillac jhas made cars that didn’t last, but theu got away from thayt, thanks 2 american’s wuillenineggss to buy 4n.
JD Power is sdihonest

The CTS is indeed a no-compromise super sedan.

the RS6 is gr8

Excellent, good job Cadillac. Now work on the exterior styling. Part of the reason people love the M5 is sensational styling, as opposed to the mess of straight edges and goofy lights on the CTS-V.

Haha! So what do ya Euro-b!tches have to say now, huh?!? You got 0wned!

All that smoke is lacking oxygen to their brains. That’s true by the way that smoking does that, don’t do it.

This will be like acid in the eyes of all the anti-american/anti-GM trolls running around here.

LOL

they told you it was coming and what it was going to do

LOL at people saying Caddys have bad stlying compared to M5’s. They say straight edges are bad. last time i checked a sharp sowrd works better than a dull one.

I can’t say from personal experience about Beamers or Caddy’s, but I think people who honestly dont have facts to back up their comments should stfu or gtfo

Caddy aint got the nothing on the M5, E- AMG and RS6!!! i have the facts they will be up tomorrow! if the germans wanted to slap a big engine in there cars they would have long ago, but if they did then there would be not point for AC Schnitzer, Alpina, Brabus, Dinan, G-Power, Hamann, MTM, Renntech ect. ect ect.
If gm so good at engines why wouldn’t McLaren, Pagani, Wiesmann, and Spyker use them in there super cars?

more tomorrow

Apparently this new Caddilac can compete with last years news from BMW and Mercedes on some parameters, but how about handling, assembly quality, recycling and emissions? Probably being a nice car though, but I seriously doubt that the Caddy will prove to be serious competition.

PS.: Love the: CTS-V is many things, but a BMW M5-killer it aint!
smoking kills. Thanks ktulu

How thick are some of you people? Yes it is RWD and yes it does handle as it holds the record for the fastest production sedan around the ring. It’s as if some of you just started following car news today.

Lau wrote: “They say straight edges are bad. last time i checked a sharp sowrd works better than a dull one.”

And “C”TS-V comes before “M”5 in the alphabet. Ergo it’s a better car? You’re a retard. Don’t talk anymore you dumba$s.

Damn, I love the new CTS. The problem is that we have read the same crap for years. Everytime they introduce a new model we hear “BMW killer!”. Oooooo. I hope that mybe this time the quality shines as well as the evident performance!

anyone notice that those who seem to bash the CTS-V have trouble putting together cohesive sentences? I would think the average BMW fan would be affluent and educated but the comments here tell me that most of the M5 sympathizers can’t even afford a 3 series, much less an M5. Intelligent, successful people are capable of using logic. Logically speaking, the CTS-V is a great car. Period.

“Caddy aint got the nothing on the M5, E- AMG and RS6!!! ” Comment by fast_E34, posted on August27

The CTS-V owns all of those cars. The E63 is a slow overweight pig by comparison, and can’t handle nearly as well. The RS6 doesn’t exist yet except in station wagon form. It’ll have slightly more power, but will be substantially slower due to its excessive weight. It also doesn’t handle as well, which is why it will not beat the CTS-V’s Nurburgring time. And the M5, is well, slower and doesn’t handle as well. 7:59 CTS-V versus 8:14 for the M5. What part of that don’t you understand? Maybe slower is better to you?

“i have the facts they will be up tomorrow! ”

Bring it. You’ll lose in a facts contest with me. Guaranteed.

“If gm so good at engines why wouldn’t McLaren, Pagani, Wiesmann, and Spyker use them in there super cars?”

Because those cars are slow. Some of the fastest, most powerful supercars in the world are powered by GM’s LSx engines. Look it up yourself.

Haha, what a dumbass. I don’t think numbers lie. I believe the Caddilac does indeed have something on the M5, E-AMG and RS6. And possibly for a few pennies less.

I’ll have one of these when I turn 45.

Nice numbers from the Caddy. I thought the CTS was a 3 series fighter , and the CTS-V was up against the M3 not the M5.
Oh well I’d still take one of the German cars over the Caddy.
The Caddilac brand has suffered so much that a few good cars is not enough to erase the decades long memory of GM craptastic cars. When purschasing cars at this level price is a component but not as big as some of the intangibles. If you’re going to buy a car for a brand name you want to consider what that brand stands for and the reputation it has. The Cadillac brand needs work to make it truly on par with BMW and MB. The CTS-V is compared to a BMW, i.e. how dos the car measure up against the highest rated sports sedan in its category.

^ If we were to compare size by size… Then yeah the CTS would compete against the 3 Series and not the 5 Series. The Cadillac STS would compete against the 5-series. But the STS, for what we know is probably going to get the AXE…

But yeah technically the CTS-V would compete against the BMW M3 Sedan, like the CTS-V Coupe would compete against the M3 Coupe.

STS-V vs M5. But since the CTS-V is quicker than an M3 & M5. Caddy is going to compare it to the bigger and better BMW…

fast_E34 is going to compare a bunch of aftermarket companies to a production CTS-V. If he wants to play that game I got #’s for Lingenfelter CTS-V’s and Mallet CTS-V’s that will cream whatever #’s he has…

OH and now the STS-V < CTS-V too…

Bradleygt: I will.

i dont really fell like pulling up #s and talking about a 2009 car beat up on an 2006. RS6 is alive in well u want 1 go order it!!! and whaat ull get is 580 bhp @ 6250 rpm and ALOT of torque with only a tap of the pedal getting 479 lb-ft @ 1500 rpm leaving the ctsv wating to get up to 6200rpm to get that 550 lb-ft. 0-60 for the RS6 0-100km 4.5s oh and BMW USA says 4.5 for the M5. quick note about the M3 best V8 in the worlD

“When purschasing cars at this level price is a component but not as big as some of the intangibles. If you’re going to buy a car for a brand name you want to consider what that brand stands for and the reputation it has. The Cadillac brand needs work to make it truly on par with BMW and MB. The CTS-V is compared to a BMW, i.e. how dos the car measure up against the highest rated sports sedan in its category.

Comment by Jazz, posted on Au”

Who says I buy a car for a brand name? I don’t, and many performance enthusiasts don’t. Posers buy only a brand name. Real enthusiasts buy a car and it’s performance. The CTS-V’s target market is the hardcore enthusiast, not the posers.

Posers who buy brand names only, can buy the base model of whatever brand gives them a woody. Not the top of the line performance model, since they don’t know how to drive well in the first place.

“RS6 is alive in well u want 1 go order it!!! “Comment by fast_E34, posted on August27 at 10:48 pm

Not in the U.S., it isn’t. No announcement from Audi of the new RS6 yet. As of today, not available, not coming to the U.S.

“and whaat ull get is 580 bhp @ 6250 rpm and ALOT of torque with only a tap of the pedal getting 479 lb-ft @ 1500 rpm leaving the ctsv wating to get up to 6200rpm to get that 550 lb-ft. ”

WRONG. The CTS-V’s peak torque output is 551 lb-ft. @ 3,800 RPM: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/entry_luxury/2009_cadillac_cts_v_official_horsepower_and_torque_numbers_car_news

FACTS, please. Stick to FACTS, or STFU.

“0-60 for the RS6 0-100km 4.5s oh and BMW USA says 4.5 for the M5. ”

What they say and what the car actually does are two different things. Hey, since you believe everything you read, I’ve got a great deal for you on a bridge that I’m selling…

Bottom line is, line up a CTS-V against an M5, and the CTS-V will beat it. It will beat it 0-60, 1/4 mile, 0-100, 0-150, 0-100-0, 0-150-0, 60-0, Nurburgring lap time, slalom, skidpad, you name it. Edmunds just proved it, and there will be a ton of upcoming magazine reviews that will also prove it.

“quick note about the M3 best V8 in the worlD”

Says who? You? It is a nice V-8, yes. Best in the world? Not sure about that…

LMAO!!!!!!!!I’m sure if anyone here would get into the batters cage and swing at every ball.I’m pretty sure that you’ll hit one,hell maybe a few.But that does’nt mean you’ll be starting for The Yanks.Please give it a rest ppl,GM gets one lucky shot and thinks it owns the automotive world??????The M5 is an old lady now,GM must be pretty proud to beat on an old lady.So the proof is in the pudding and so states the track record for the last several decades GM,Ford and Chrysler will ALWAYS CHASE AND NEVER CATCH THE EUROS AND JAPS.Plain and simple.

CTS-V posted a faster lap time AND its interior is CLEARLY superior to BMW’s M5.

Hope the haters don’t have a gun handy or they’ll kill themselves.