Comments on: First performance test proves Cadillac CTS-V is a BMW M5-killer

By: THawkoo

THawkoo — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:39:29 +0000

CTS-V posted a faster lap time AND its interior is CLEARLY superior to BMW’s M5.

Hope the haters don’t have a gun handy or they’ll kill themselves.

By: speedemon

speedemon — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:39:33 +0000

LMAO!!!!!!!!I’m sure if anyone here would get into the batters cage and swing at every ball.I’m pretty sure that you’ll hit one,hell maybe a few.But that does’nt mean you’ll be starting for The Yanks.Please give it a rest ppl,GM gets one lucky shot and thinks it owns the automotive world??????The M5 is an old lady now,GM must be pretty proud to beat on an old lady.So the proof is in the pudding and so states the track record for the last several decades GM,Ford and Chrysler will ALWAYS CHASE AND NEVER CATCH THE EUROS AND JAPS.Plain and simple.

By: Z06ified

Z06ified — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:13:43 +0000

“RS6 is alive in well u want 1 go order it!!! “Comment by fast_E34, posted on August27 at 10:48 pm

Not in the U.S., it isn’t. No announcement from Audi of the new RS6 yet. As of today, not available, not coming to the U.S.

“and whaat ull get is 580 bhp @ 6250 rpm and ALOT of torque with only a tap of the pedal getting 479 lb-ft @ 1500 rpm leaving the ctsv wating to get up to 6200rpm to get that 550 lb-ft. ”

WRONG. The CTS-V’s peak torque output is 551 lb-ft. @ 3,800 RPM: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/entry_luxury/2009_cadillac_cts_v_official_horsepower_and_torque_numbers_car_news

FACTS, please. Stick to FACTS, or STFU.

“0-60 for the RS6 0-100km 4.5s oh and BMW USA says 4.5 for the M5. ”

What they say and what the car actually does are two different things. Hey, since you believe everything you read, I’ve got a great deal for you on a bridge that I’m selling…

Bottom line is, line up a CTS-V against an M5, and the CTS-V will beat it. It will beat it 0-60, 1/4 mile, 0-100, 0-150, 0-100-0, 0-150-0, 60-0, Nurburgring lap time, slalom, skidpad, you name it. Edmunds just proved it, and there will be a ton of upcoming magazine reviews that will also prove it.

“quick note about the M3 best V8 in the worlD”

Says who? You? It is a nice V-8, yes. Best in the world? Not sure about that…

By: Z06ified

Z06ified — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:55:46 +0000

“When purschasing cars at this level price is a component but not as big as some of the intangibles. If you’re going to buy a car for a brand name you want to consider what that brand stands for and the reputation it has. The Cadillac brand needs work to make it truly on par with BMW and MB. The CTS-V is compared to a BMW, i.e. how dos the car measure up against the highest rated sports sedan in its category.

Comment by Jazz, posted on Au”

Who says I buy a car for a brand name? I don’t, and many performance enthusiasts don’t. Posers buy only a brand name. Real enthusiasts buy a car and it’s performance. The CTS-V’s target market is the hardcore enthusiast, not the posers.

Posers who buy brand names only, can buy the base model of whatever brand gives them a woody. Not the top of the line performance model, since they don’t know how to drive well in the first place.

By: fast_E34

fast_E34 — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:48:43 +0000

i dont really fell like pulling up #s and talking about a 2009 car beat up on an 2006. RS6 is alive in well u want 1 go order it!!! and whaat ull get is 580 bhp @ 6250 rpm and ALOT of torque with only a tap of the pedal getting 479 lb-ft @ 1500 rpm leaving the ctsv wating to get up to 6200rpm to get that 550 lb-ft. 0-60 for the RS6 0-100km 4.5s oh and BMW USA says 4.5 for the M5. quick note about the M3 best V8 in the worlD

By: CarResearcher

CarResearcher — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:53:16 +0000

Bradleygt: I will.

By: Need4SSpeed

Need4SSpeed — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:45:59 +0000

OH and now the STS-V < CTS-V too…

By: Need4SSpeed

Need4SSpeed — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:45:11 +0000

^ If we were to compare size by size… Then yeah the CTS would compete against the 3 Series and not the 5 Series. The Cadillac STS would compete against the 5-series. But the STS, for what we know is probably going to get the AXE…

But yeah technically the CTS-V would compete against the BMW M3 Sedan, like the CTS-V Coupe would compete against the M3 Coupe.

STS-V vs M5. But since the CTS-V is quicker than an M3 & M5. Caddy is going to compare it to the bigger and better BMW…

fast_E34 is going to compare a bunch of aftermarket companies to a production CTS-V. If he wants to play that game I got #’s for Lingenfelter CTS-V’s and Mallet CTS-V’s that will cream whatever #’s he has…

By: Jazz

Jazz — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:17:27 +0000

Nice numbers from the Caddy. I thought the CTS was a 3 series fighter , and the CTS-V was up against the M3 not the M5.
Oh well I’d still take one of the German cars over the Caddy.
The Caddilac brand has suffered so much that a few good cars is not enough to erase the decades long memory of GM craptastic cars. When purschasing cars at this level price is a component but not as big as some of the intangibles. If you’re going to buy a car for a brand name you want to consider what that brand stands for and the reputation it has. The Cadillac brand needs work to make it truly on par with BMW and MB. The CTS-V is compared to a BMW, i.e. how dos the car measure up against the highest rated sports sedan in its category.

By: hbcbob3

hbcbob3 — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:53:38 +0000

I’ll have one of these when I turn 45.

By: hbcbob3

hbcbob3 — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:06 +0000

Haha, what a dumbass. I don’t think numbers lie. I believe the Caddilac does indeed have something on the M5, E-AMG and RS6. And possibly for a few pennies less.

By: Z06ified

Z06ified — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:22:51 +0000

“Caddy aint got the nothing on the M5, E- AMG and RS6!!! ” Comment by fast_E34, posted on August27

The CTS-V owns all of those cars. The E63 is a slow overweight pig by comparison, and can’t handle nearly as well. The RS6 doesn’t exist yet except in station wagon form. It’ll have slightly more power, but will be substantially slower due to its excessive weight. It also doesn’t handle as well, which is why it will not beat the CTS-V’s Nurburgring time. And the M5, is well, slower and doesn’t handle as well. 7:59 CTS-V versus 8:14 for the M5. What part of that don’t you understand? Maybe slower is better to you?

“i have the facts they will be up tomorrow! ”

Bring it. You’ll lose in a facts contest with me. Guaranteed.

“If gm so good at engines why wouldn’t McLaren, Pagani, Wiesmann, and Spyker use them in there super cars?”

Because those cars are slow. Some of the fastest, most powerful supercars in the world are powered by GM’s LSx engines. Look it up yourself.

By: sj79

sj79 — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:04:44 +0000

anyone notice that those who seem to bash the CTS-V have trouble putting together cohesive sentences? I would think the average BMW fan would be affluent and educated but the comments here tell me that most of the M5 sympathizers can’t even afford a 3 series, much less an M5. Intelligent, successful people are capable of using logic. Logically speaking, the CTS-V is a great car. Period.

By: zoomnbyu

zoomnbyu — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:34:51 +0000

Damn, I love the new CTS. The problem is that we have read the same crap for years. Everytime they introduce a new model we hear “BMW killer!”. Oooooo. I hope that mybe this time the quality shines as well as the evident performance!

By: DeansterTJ

DeansterTJ — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:27:36 +0000

Lau wrote: “They say straight edges are bad. last time i checked a sharp sowrd works better than a dull one.”

And “C”TS-V comes before “M”5 in the alphabet. Ergo it’s a better car? You’re a retard. Don’t talk anymore you dumba$s.

By: 79TA

79TA — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:20:51 +0000

How thick are some of you people? Yes it is RWD and yes it does handle as it holds the record for the fastest production sedan around the ring. It’s as if some of you just started following car news today.

By: peter g

peter g — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:17:00 +0000

Apparently this new Caddilac can compete with last years news from BMW and Mercedes on some parameters, but how about handling, assembly quality, recycling and emissions? Probably being a nice car though, but I seriously doubt that the Caddy will prove to be serious competition.

PS.: Love the: CTS-V is many things, but a BMW M5-killer it aint!
smoking kills. Thanks ktulu

By: fast_E34

fast_E34 — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:46:11 +0000

Caddy aint got the nothing on the M5, E- AMG and RS6!!! i have the facts they will be up tomorrow! if the germans wanted to slap a big engine in there cars they would have long ago, but if they did then there would be not point for AC Schnitzer, Alpina, Brabus, Dinan, G-Power, Hamann, MTM, Renntech ect. ect ect.
If gm so good at engines why wouldn’t McLaren, Pagani, Wiesmann, and Spyker use them in there super cars?

more tomorrow

By: Lau

Lau — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:18:04 +0000

LOL at people saying Caddys have bad stlying compared to M5’s. They say straight edges are bad. last time i checked a sharp sowrd works better than a dull one.

I can’t say from personal experience about Beamers or Caddy’s, but I think people who honestly dont have facts to back up their comments should stfu or gtfo

By: bigp

bigp — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:40:39 +0000

they told you it was coming and what it was going to do

By: THawkoo

THawkoo — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:27:23 +0000

This will be like acid in the eyes of all the anti-american/anti-GM trolls running around here.

LOL

By: tyler_is_aero_tt

tyler_is_aero_tt — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:52:30 +0000

All that smoke is lacking oxygen to their brains. That’s true by the way that smoking does that, don’t do it.

By: 1c3d0g

1c3d0g — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:17:55 +0000

Haha! So what do ya Euro-b!tches have to say now, huh?!? You got 0wned!

By: DeansterTJ

DeansterTJ — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:14:31 +0000

Excellent, good job Cadillac. Now work on the exterior styling. Part of the reason people love the M5 is sensational styling, as opposed to the mess of straight edges and goofy lights on the CTS-V.

By: ktulu

ktulu — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:00:16 +0000

CTS-V is many things, but a BMW M5-killer it aint!

smoking kills.

Cimarron was crap, Catera had mno market, Seville was OK, then crap.

old ladies won’t use all o’ the power & handling. They ponly catre how quick it gets 2 30, and if the aibags whel break therer hips when they craskh.

Escalade is not terrible, it just has 0 reasion 2 exist.

The quality is there. Just not 2 M5 level.

there is no proof that Cadillacs dont last? CAdillac jhas made cars that didn’t last, but theu got away from thayt, thanks 2 american’s wuillenineggss to buy 4n.
JD Power is sdihonest

The CTS is indeed a no-compromise super sedan.

the RS6 is gr8

By: t-ak-box

t-ak-box — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:34:20 +0000

YeePeeeee For Caddy.

By: Z06ified

Z06ified — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:09:28 +0000

“Cadillac still has to prove that the drivetrains last, the interior bits don’t fall off and that, after it has some miles on it, it doesn’t rattle and creak everytime you cross a set of railway tracks. In simple terms is it screwed together as well as the BMW. That’s all we’re saying.”

The last 3 year old Cadillac I was in (SRX) had no rattles, no problems, nothing fallen off.

The last 3 year old BMW I was in (525i) had plenty of rattles, creaks, and had been to the dealer numerous times for electrical gremlins.

Your post implies that interior bits fall off all the time on Cadillacs. Would you care to enlighten us on which Cadillac model has such a problem, and what interior bit you are referring to?

If you can’t stick to the facts, don’t make up stories – just be silent.

By: Need4SSpeed

Need4SSpeed — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:56:54 +0000

Sweet! Go Caddy. Yeah 56oval, as ZO6ified pointed out the CTS-V already set a lap record for production sedans on the “gring” So the CTS-V has been there and done that…

I can’t wait for the CTS-V Coupe to come out. Now that is going to be bad-ass.

By: Fromes

Fromes — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:42:31 +0000

sweet….I just hope, for my sake that these things don’t hold there value well…simply so I can pick up a low milage example in 2 years for a fraction of the price

By: johnnycanuck

johnnycanuck — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:56:02 +0000

Since when is brassmonkey a Euro lover? We all want the CTS to succeed, but take the blinders off and open up the auto classifieds in your local rag and check out what the average used Caddy is worth. There’s a reason that after 2 years most have depreciated 50%, and all the JD Powerless dependability studies in the world are not going to change that. Cadillac still has to prove that the drivetrains last, the interior bits don’t fall off and that, after it has some miles on it, it doesn’t rattle and creak everytime you cross a set of railway tracks. In simple terms is it screwed together as well as the BMW. That’s all we’re saying. If you’re willing to accept some shortcomings because it’s cheaper than the BMW, then you should also accept that your two year old Cadillac is now worth half of what you paid for it.

By: jonmiles

jonmiles — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:38:25 +0000

I really love how street car’s performance benchmarks are now how fast a car can lap the Nurburgring. Everyone should give this vehicle respect for whipping the M5 around the ‘ring.

By: audifan

audifan — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:35:33 +0000

Yeah, but what about the RS6 sedan, will definatley match performance at least, still a great car though, these super sedans are soo much cheaper than supercars yet they offer more except look, people who say thats just a 30,000USD car and your paying tripple are stupid. i.e. msn cars.
Great performance figures but what about build quality, noise, comfort. for the people buying these type of cars these are just as important as the effortless speed and i think the european counterparts will out do the caddy in this area, making thier higher price tags reasonable, respectivley.

By: jonmiles

jonmiles — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:34:26 +0000

Good for Caddy!! The M5 is weak anyway.

By: Z06ified

Z06ified — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:25:25 +0000

I like seeing all these Euro lovers like brassmonkey, CarResearcher, etc. trying to create all these pathetic excuses, and even making things up from their sorry little minds with no facts. The quality isn’t there? What facts do you have to back up that claim? The car isn’t even in production yet!

Suck it up losers. Your beloved M5 got owned in EVERY category. Get over it and show respect where respect is due.

Hey, I like the M5, but it is an inferior car to the CTS-V, and that is a fact. The real fun part will be when the pricing is announced – it will completely embarrass the M5. BMW will have some explaining to do why they charge $90k for a slower, inferior car.

By: sj79

sj79 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:12:22 +0000

“However, with BMW reportedly developing a turbocharged version of its M5, we’re quite sure we haven’t heard the last in the super sedan wars. ”

nice cop out line by LLN. Did anyone say something similar when the M5 came out?

brassmonkey,

Do you have any proof that Cadillacs dont last? Of course not. CAdillac routinely lands higher than any German brand in JD Power dependability surveys. YOu folks are full of more excuses than politicians. The CTS_v is faster and costs less and thus its a no compromise super sedan.

Also, the CTS’ interior is better than the dull interior of the 5 series. No idrive, a better design and more technology. Some of you people should sit in a Cadillac that is less than 15 years old before commenting. Of course most of you have probably never even been in a Cadillac period.