May12
Spy photographers have spotted a mule for the upcoming 2010 Ford Mustang testing on the roads of Michigan. While the mule looks unassuming thanks to its current-generation Mustang body, the real news is what lies beneath the pony car’s hood — an all-new V8.
The two Mustang mules spotted are actually test beds for the 2010’s all-new 5.0L V8. The details giving the new powerplant away are subtle — the only significant visual cue is the car’s exhaust setup — but our sources confirm that the Blue Oval has indeed begun testing the new engine.
The mules also appear to have the 2010 Mustang’s interior, although under heavy camouflage.
While Ford has yet to make an official announcement, it is believed that the 5.0L unit will replace the 4.6L V8 currently used in the Mustang.
The new engine is being developed under the codename ‘Coyote’ and will kick out 400 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque. Despite the 100 horsepower boost over the current Mustang GT, the new engine will return better fuel mileage than the 4.6L powerplant.
The new 5-liter powerplant will be built at Ford’s Essex Engine Plant in Windsor, Ontario.
May 12, 2008
What ever happened to putting in a ecoforce turbo 6 for better fuel economy? Prices go up… and displacement still goes up? I guarantee you the “new” 5.0 won’t get better mileage than the 4.6… and it probably is high-compression and uses premium.
The days of 87-octane gas are numbered. Higher compression engines are inherently more efficient and can be tuned for higher HP.
I see the ecoforce replacing the iron truck V6 in the lineup. Anything would be better that that boat anchor…
It it gets a 6-speed manual and the handling upgrades from the Bullitt..will be one hell of a car. Should run a 12.8 at least.
How much “testing” needs to be done on a 40 year old engine? Just call Summit Racing, tell them you want a 5.0, and your done.
^^^^^ Even the exhaust looks like it came from summit hahahaha
Wait a sec, RaineMan… isn’t the ecoboost v6 for FF applications only?
and HemiRoadRunner: I’m guessing this particular 5.0 isn’t at all related to the 5.0 pushrod engine of yore.
Are they changing from horses to dogs? F-150s in Mexico are branded Lobos or Wolf in english, now they are calling this “Coyote”. I can only hope they will rename the Fiesta, “Chihuahua”.
Prey for DOHC, VVT and direct injection. The SOHC, 3 valve heads are useless .
I question the wisdom of new V8 in $4/gallon gas. How many engines Ford plans to sell? What would be profit margin? When the payoff will occur? I hope someone is looking for bottom line. I thought that Ford needs a fuel efficient motors for fuel efficient cars or trucks. How more fuel efficient 5L vs 4.6L?
Rollin in my 5.0 with the ragtop down so my hair can blow!
1980’s all over again. But this time with much more HP. The last five-oh made 225 hp if I recall.
C’mon guys, this engine is 5.0 litres for one reason only: it just sounds way cooler to say you’ve got a 5 litre ‘Stang than a 4.6. And if it actually works out to 302 cubes as well that’s even better.
All this means is that they’re worried over the new Camaro… Regardless of gas prices, they know that their craptacular 4.6 pales in comparison to the 6.0 V8 option that’s going to rumble under the Camaro’s hood. Despite the fact that the market for V8s is shrinking, they have to have on to compete even if it will only be a low-volume mover…
johnnycanuck, you are absolutely right: 11″ vs foot long!
this is still a sports car…how many people shopping around for a GT or a bullit or what ever else is in this segment care about fuel economy???
When gas is $8.00 a gallon everybody will care, whether they drive a Mustang, an Aveo or a Greyhound bus. Rolling out a 5.0 V8 just doesn’t make me feel like Ford is reading the newspapers.
Why is it every time an American performance car story hits - the grandmotherly worry starts about the damn gas mileage of all friggin things? Performance cars are still about going fast and making noise – and that’s still a good thing.
Ford is bumping up Mustang hp only to compete with the new Camaro.
bigger capacity means more torque. Who needs green mustang?
WTF with those ugly exaust pipes?? hate them.
First off….. I am VERY certain that this V8 has nothing to do with the past 302/5.0L pushrod V8, except maybe the displacement and # of cylinders. (Probably along the lines of their current 5.0L 4 cam offering from Ford Racing)
Second….. Maybe it will be a MDS engine that gets 40mpg highway with VVT or VCT? (I hope, but probably not!)
^^ A V8 MDS engine that gets 40 highway mpg?
I’ll only believe that one when I see it…. besides, that’d only work with an automatic tranny… and what the hell’s the point of buying a car like that without a manual?
I’d like a 275hp 3.5L V6. Or better yet, 300hp with DI.
I’ve always wanted one so my licence plate could say “5.O ****”
This is an updated 15 year old engine, not an old 302. Still will have overhead cams, not pushrods. Look for 4 valves per cylinder, and a few other tricks. If they can get the weight down, gas mileage will surprise everyone.
i want to save the planet…… PLANET JUPITER!
i want a 9 liter V8 with 150 bhp and 0.5 mpg
ohh the pain!!!
400/400 is quite nice, but Ford needs to think about their avg buyer and really focus on the gas mileage. Yes, this engine is more efficient that thier past one, but they could make a smaller V8 with 350/350 and be even more efficient. The mustang is a mass selling sporty car, so it is important that it reach a broad audience.
They could have put a boosted 6 in there that was 300/300 and sales still would have gone up. Lighter weight… better mileage… and boost to play with.
FI > NA
Of course if the Mustang wasn’t a boat to begin with it wouldn’t need 400hp to keep up with Camaro.
finally!!! the 5.0 mustang is back, i use to love the old 5.0’s, was the only small car (size of a civic) i knew that packed a v8 back then. ford should bring those special edition mustangs back & maybe i will stop admiring Audi. uuhhh syke.
every second comment is complain about poor MPG. Im sick of that. Now look idiots, anyone who buys car with 400+ bhp DOES NOT care about fuel economy!!! There are huge choice of green cars which you can discuss outside this website. Here I want to see fast, expensive, powerful cars and real petrol-heads, not hippies! PLEASE keep your boring and useless comments to yourselfs or create your own website, name it greenlanenews.com and spam there.. FFS
Who gives a flying f*** about gas prices. If you can’t afford gas then you’re spending in the wrong place you whine bitches.
This is the USA, if I want a 600hp Mustang with a 7.0L engine regardless of the gas mileage then I’ll buy one b/c we don’t live f***ing U.S.S.R., China or Burma.
If you people don’t pull your heads out of your asses or McCain, Clinton or Obama will be making us drive Yugos or something close to it and it’ll be all your fault.
The nation is meant to be for the people and by the people and none of you have any idea of what’s going on.
My point is everyone including myself needs to responsible for ourselves instead of trusting our needs and freedoms to politicians and either get in a whine uproar or believe there pathetic excuses when find out there just in it for themselves.
Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.
No matter how high gas prices go, there’s always a market for cars like this. In Montreal gas is $5 a gallon and no one is flinching. Besides, if you buy this as a weekend driver, you’re not going to go through more than a tank every few weeks.
Sorry BlackX… the Mustang is neither fast… nor expensive… nor powerful.
And JedS88 everyone is paying upwards of $3.50/gal for gas because of “petrolheads” like you who think they need a monster V8 or a huge truck to compensate for there lack of… other things.
It will be interesting to see what this car will look like. I still don’t see how there going to update an already old design!
Yea, in America we do what we want. We don’t care if our thirsty V8’s drive up the price of gas for our neighbors. We don’t care if they produce more pollution than is necessary. We do want we want, because in America it’s all about me, me, me, and my excess of conspicuous consumption. If you can afford it, **** everyone and everything else - gratify yourself! Yee-haw I’m so proud to be an American.
Make sure to let the faucet run when you brush your teeth, you can afford it!
Jed, RIGHT ON! If the gas I burn in my SRT8 makes these whiney bitches cry, I’m going for a drive! Maybe someday gas will be $10.00 a gallon and these sniveling bitches will ride the ****ing bus. That will leave more road for me!
C’mon guys, I doubt Ford is going back to the pushrod 5.0 motor, I’m guessing its a modular 5.0 motor. People have added some cubes to there 4.6 making it a 5.0 already. The mod motors have proven themselves already.
there is a 302 4v motor ford sells, it had some issues with emissions for productions, maybe they have worked out the bugs, as a crate motor it produced something like 400 bhp and 400 foot pounds, it had a rather nice horsepower curve, i hope we’re lucky enough to see a motor like that in production, ford needs to step it up vs the challenger and camaro.
Great, Ford increases their engine by 0.4 liters to a whopping 5.0 while the Camaro is increasing by 0.5 from 5.7 to 6.2L. And it will still have more power, more torque, get better gas mileage and get better gains with mods. Let’s face it, since the big block era, the only fast Mustangs have been supercharged.
I cant open the pics.
What the hell did you people only read the first paragraph?
My point was not we should guzzle gas just because we can; it was that we shouldn’t whine about gas prices b/c we, as free Americans we are responsible for what happens in this country, not the government, not the UN, us the American people. If we the people aren’t responsible to are selves and find solution to are own problems then we will lose the freedoms we have.
Whatever happens in this country is our fault, good or bad.
And about gas prices,
I pay $3.69 a gallon and I drive a 98′ Jeep Cherokee 4L strait 6. I would like to have a Mustang but I won’t be able to afford one till after a graduate. When I can afford one I just want to be able to buy one that isn’t watered-down from government regulations.
Gas prices aren’t killing me and I’m pretty sure as an everyday person there not killing you either. But for people whose livelihood depends on fuel prices I know personally there hurting them pretty bad. Our country was not built for high fuel prices but the fact is we haven’t reached our tipping point yet. Things are going to get worse until we decide as a nation to do something about it. If we don’t then we’ll continue to be commoners to be taxed and fools to be marketed to.
Great, now maybe it can finally put down numbers similar to the 4th gen Camaro’s/Firebirds.
Don’t hate those exhausts yet because they’re not in their shell, by 2010 the ’stang would be different and hopefully would cover the mufflers, I really think the new GT will look good instead of cheap. BTW this is an improvement by Ford, a 5.0 should mean more hp, torque and performance not only +0.4.
Everyone keeps saying put a v6 in there and push up the hp. Really thow how could it be a pony car with only a v6 offering, I am sure that they are going to put more hp in the v6 offering as well that would make more since, Since the v8 is going up in hp. Why would you get the v8 unless there was a big difference in hp. The current gt is a 13.00 second car. The chevy might only be about the same. Ford will keep the crown. Look for the v8 to only get about 2 to 4 miles per gallon better but the v6 should get a lot more. Also AGAIN true mustang gt has to be a v8
Hey whiners…if you’re worried about gas mileage then get the V6. That’s why Ford still offers it; for the wimps and the women.
^ Yep, but the ? I want to know is when are they gonna give us the spyshots of the “5.0″ badges on the fender.
I love how Mr. RandomJerkoff thinks that it’s his neighbors with their gas-guzzling V8s that are driving up the cost of fuel… For someone who thinks they have such a “worldly” view of Americans, he really has no clue about what’s going on in the rest of the world.
The idiots reign again…
Mustang weighs less than the Challenger by 500 lbs. It is expected to weigh 400 less than the Camaro.
The base V6 in the 2010 Mustang should have 260hp/260tq out of a 3.7 (that could change - those are the rumored truck numbers, although it is the same basic design) that gets about 5-7% better mileage than the current 4.0.
The 5.0 is not a bored out 4.6. It is a new engine. It will also not be available on the 2010 Mustang redesign from what I’ve heard, but on the 2011MY that launches in very early 2010.
The ratings I’ve seen are closer to 350hp/380tq, but again, those are truck numbers. It is expected to have DI and may be turned into a turbo application as a diesel alternative in the future for the Super Duty.
This engine will NOT run on premium. Even Ford’s new EcoBoost design runs on REGULAR.
The 3.5 EcoBoost is not a dead idea and will likely come to the Mustang in 2010 for the 2011MY. In RWD applications, the 3.5 EB will put out as much as 410 hp and slightly more torque, and its gas mileage will be almost as good as the base V6.
There are also rumors of a 4-cyl 2.0 putting out 270 hp/280 tq will find its way into the engine bay and deliver somewhere in the mid-20s for combined mileage (30+ on the highway).
Now, that’s all pieced together through the random posts of different blogs with particular attention to the Mustang and Ford related blogs. So, it could very well be wrong, but those are the rumors.
It leaves me perplexed that people who buy Mustangs actually care about MPG, well that’s what I’m getting from the response from you guys. If you want MPG buy a diesel or a Prius, but people buy Mustangs because of its Bang for Buck and it’s a muscle car. Good to hear they are increasing power cause the old car was a bit wet. But I wonder how much the price will go up to now??
In America and we have the right to buy everything from weenie mobiles to the whole hog. Too many of you have been raised to look into everyone’s business and look for something to worry everyone about. Lighten up – life is short – drive for fun a little instead of for Algore.
Robert… nice posting. But exactly how is Ford planning on running any kind of boosted engine on 87 octane?
I mean sure, with today’s ECUs the computer can pull timing when it senses knock… but then you are just wasting all that boost. GM’s boosted engines can run on regular gasoline, but they are dogs and run like **** when you do it. Even the owners manual says PREMIUM FUEL RECCOMENDED.
Anything over 5PSI, even with intercooling and direct injection will require high octane fuel to prevent detonation, improve economy, enhance performance, and increase the lifespan of the engine.
The new 5.0 is based on the 4.6 mod motor, but is completely new, not a bored or stroked 4.6. Its aluminum block, DOHC 4v aluminum heads, with gas direct injection, which allows the use of more compression as the intake charge is much cooler, GDI also improves low rpm torque. As Robert said it may not appear in the 2010, although there are rumors of a non GDI version being used in the 2010. Ive read from Ford insiders 400hp 360 tq. with 6spd auto or manual. I get 24 mpg with the cruise set on 75 on my 2005 4.6. The new 5.0 will better the 4.6 MPG.
The Twin turbo V6 has already been approved for the 2010. Not sure what hp will be in the Ecoboost V6, but its reported to make as much as 400 and better the MPG of the 5.0. Probable less in the Mustang.
What no one knows is what will be the GT motor or if the 5.0 will be a SE motor only.
The Mustang will weigh in around 35-3600. As was mentioned previously, the Camaro will be in the 4100 range and the Challenger 44-4500, so if th eMustang is a boat, I’m not sure what you would call the other 2.
There are rumors of an eco boost 5.0 for the Shelby, but who knows.
This updated HP make me believe that they are bring out a turbo i4, so the v6 won’t be over ran by a 4. Who gives a **** about a camaro. They are ugly anyway. Now, I could use a challenger too, lol.
FV$K GAS, lol muwahahaha
Thunder Road:
great point, all I hear it, boat this and boat that. We will see what happens to those othe cars. Adding a SC to them and other stuff will just raise the weight too.
For me, when I get this mustang I am back sear deleting it right away and carbon fiber the things I can. Sry, but mine is going to be the fast than that mullit car
I would rather go for a camaro/challenger if i was in the market. BECAUSE THIS DAMN THING STILL HAS A REAR AXLE!!!!!. I mean other cheaper fords dont have em. I understand that they are FWD’s but still. This car has a live axle for one reason and one reason only. COST. Please dont call this a Sports Car.