That’s just awesome! So much for bmw’s 4 banger!

Do you think dat da Darth Vader could beat up da Indiana Jones? I mean Darth has da power a da force and all, but it would hurt if Indy turned dat whip on you!. Darth has a light sabre but Jones may be able to use da lost ark as a weapon, it might be a good fight! I guess all we could do is imagine da fight!

Sorry to here about da problems at school Sally, I remember when I was in da 5th grade kids would say things like “Butch has da cooties” or “you got da Uncle Butch germs!’ So I know what you are going through… It was da worst when they would do the fake spray noises like dey had an aerosol can of da disinfectant!” Dem kids can be so cruel… I wish I could give you one of dem cyber hugs!

I neva tougt bout dat unca butch. Da vader does got dat dark force but da jones fella got da the spooks in da box. Now with dat light sabre gainst da whip, da whip is longa but da vader can use da force so I’d got to go fur da vader ftw. But da temple of doom got me worried cuz we all jist don’t know what da spooks in da box can mess up – get it;-)

DB9:-))

In a meeting with Ford I was informed they would be having this and that was LAST SUMMER! Big suprise…. (not)

Wow an Uncle Butch clone!!

Way to go Ford, a 4 cylinder with 6 cylinder power and great gas mileage.

40mpg in what car are they talking about, if they to it that would be great but i would not hold my breath. then again even if they get 35mpg with that much power it be good. if it works they should go for a light weight 3cyl engine for there smallest cars and hybrids. around 1L and putting out 115hp-150. would keep the car nice and light witch is where most of the fuel saving come from.

Sounds great. These newer DI boosted engines are very nice. Power that would have shamed a V8 from the 70s and early 80s that delivers fuel mileage as good as the most pathetic eco boxes of the day.

What I want to see is a lightwieght modern economy car weighing in around 2000lbs with an even smaller displacement ecoboost that can deliver 60-80mpg and still be fun. I think this would be doable with a 1.4L with 150HP. A great little agile city car.

Just curious, is the MPG listed combined cycle or Hwy only?

^^Exactly: 40 mpg when stuffed into what? A Crown Vic? Sorry, but that’s just against the laws of physics.

Yeah exactly. The only thing it will be getting 40mpgs in would be something the size of the Fiesta. 2.0L turbocharged producing 230hp and 240ftlbs of torque? I hope that’s the configuration for the “40mpg” which is really good. No denying that. But I was expecting them to get something more out of the ECOBOOST 4 if GM can get 260hp and 260ft lbs of tq out of the LNF. But again I’m assuming that HP rating is configured for the mileage gains.

I get 45mpg – 50 in a C220 CDI estate – motorway and about 37 city – why is this so hard in a mid sized car never mind my bus sized merc

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wobbs, are you British, English, Irish, Welsh or Scotish? Just wondering, still have some anger towards my ex who was a Brit so I don’t want to be offensive.

I get up to 34 mpg in my GTI and I think that’s pretty good, considering it does 0-60 in 6.0 sec.

I want this engine in a Gen3 Focus with AWD in AMERICA before the end of 2010.

And just for the sake of scientific curiosity, what would an EcoBoost 5.0 V8 be like. Not looking for ultimate F/econ. But anything like a hulking 500+hp with an average in the high 20s to low 30s mpg would be keen.

@928Dreamer:
“What I want to see is a lightwieght modern economy car weighing in around 2000lbs with an even smaller displacement ecoboost that can deliver 60-80mpg and still be fun. I think this would be doable with a 1.4L with 150HP. A great little agile city car.”
What you want to see is a Fiat 500 abarth, 1.4L 158hp (118kW), and I think it’s coming to the U.S., but forget the 60 mpg :p

If cars were classed properly, the vast majority of so-called compact cars would be classed as “small”, one under Mid-sized cars like the Fusion and Accord. A real compact would be those so called mini-cars, like the MINI COOPER, The FORD FIESTA, The FIAT 500, the VW POLO, and other cars that you honestly believe you can fit in the bed of a Full-sized pick-up.

928dreamer,

In the US unless there is several huge advances in working with Aluminum and Carbon fiber, it is extremely unlikely that you will find a mainstream small or compact car that will weight less than a ton. Even the MX-5 MIATA is around 2400lbs. Federal safety requirements and customer demands for a tougher car regardless of size.

As for the 40mpg, that is likely best EPA test F/econ. But I don’t think it is unreachable in regular daily driving, assuming you don’t drive like a racecar driver on race day all the time. Half-@$$ed hyper-miling can net you an extra 10-20% mpg so you could see 40mpg regularly or even close to 50mpg if you try to get good at it.

I want the Ecoboost Coyote V8…get the Power of a 10 Cylinder but the fuel economy of an 8 Cylinder.
And power output to be anwhere from something around 775 HP to 1,100 static Horsepower thrust.

This has NOTHING on that 100mpg Mustang with 400HP…

These engines useless if they put it into a vehicle that is 500 lbs overweight (See Ford Taurus, Ford Flex, Ford Edge)
A flabby ass saps power, and lowers MPG
Let me know when they can use these in cars that are competitive dynamically
DrFill

Take away what gives an extra 500 pounds to most new vehicles and you’d have one of two situations:

1) Doesn’t meet regs
2) Doesn’t meet customer demands for content.

Don’t like that answer? Import a Tata Nano and stick an EcoBoost V6 in the rear, ala SHOGun.

PS. If you don’t understand the SHOGun reference, you should not be posting on a site like this.

Dooood!!!

Put that engine in a Fiesta and I will camp out for one of them!

I don’t get dat SHOGun refereence!

JakeK66

wobbs, are you British, English, Irish, Welsh or Scotish? Just wondering, still have some anger towards my ex who was a Brit so I don’t want to be offensive.

I get up to 34 mpg in my GTI and I think that’s pretty good, considering it does 0-60 in 6.0 sec.

English – ( aka Angryland at present) aka a brit limey whatever – british women mate there all b………………..

34mpg on the golf – not if you cane it though i bet lol if I go over 70 mph in the bus I swear you can see the fuel guage move in front of your eyes, and at £1 a “litre” – $1.64 you see why we bitch about fuel economy over here.

Payton
Highlander is hundreds of pounds less than a Ford Edge, and it has 3 rows of seats!
And passes Gov regs better than any Ford!
An Avalon is MORE than 500lbs less than a 2010 Taurus, with PERFECT crash tests!

Expedition, F-150, Flex……….
If I want an overweight American, I know where to start lookin!
And they are no safer or more sound than hundreds of lighter competitors
They are average vehicles, no better, no worse

I think they are just cutting costs, and using iron instead of top-grade steel.
That’s what Kia does on the Sedona
DrFill

wobbs, the UK/ all of Europe has high gas prices because of the high taxes on gas/ diesel… but the European governments also dropped a lot of money into a far superior mass transit system than NA has to offer and they want people to use it.

I hope Lincoln doesn’t actually make that pos, or at least design it to look good.

How about bringing the Focus RS to the United States. If the Mustang is supposed to get the new 5.0 V8 good for around 400 HP then the 300 hp focus RS shouldn’t cut into the sales of the mustang to much.

Dr. Fill, all steel no matter how ‘top grade’ has iron in, its what give it magnetic properties and causes rust… most steel has 90%+ of iron, along with chromium, carbon, silicon, molybdenum, nickel, manganese, etc… from what i know, car frames are about 97% iron, and are a medium carbon steel (about .5% carbon i think) and arent very hard

high grade/ expensive steel isnt always best as it will have different properties/ characteristics, you need the steel that suits your needs

though, you can get two AISI/SAE grades of steel that are the exact same, say 4130 for example, where one piece costs significantly more for the same weight / dimension/ raw saw cut
the cheaper one is cheaper for a reason, it will generally have imperfection in the steel structure (stress spots, hard spots, etc)

where ford might be ‘cutting costs’ is that they arent removing steel/ material where it isnt needed, which leads to further engineering, or they are using more material in one area so they can take a cheaper approach somewhere ese

I just sat in the SHO and let me tell you that is one sweet car

Ford could indeed Trump Chevy claimed 260HP and 260 Ft/lbs or Torque But Chevy’s claim does come at a Price in Fuel economy. Chevy gets 22mpg in the city and 30 on the highway. So its about half of what the Ford will do.

But if Ford is getting 40 or better MPG I mean do the math who is really winning here. Ford is only sacrificing 20 Ft/lbs of Torque and 30 less HP that is a nominal difference in output but you get twice the fuel saving in the Ford 2.0 Liter instead.

I think Dr.Fill is another person who can’t stand the fact that DETROIT is coming back and not watsing much time doing it. We may not be altogether happy with some of their decisions but every sale FORD, GM, or CHRYSLER makes or every time they make a prospect costumer hold on to see what is coming next, it a sale companies Like TOYOTA and HONDA don’t make and TOYOTA is already in trouble for it.

Also, ANDY is generally right I can find nothing wrong with his statement. The HIGHLANDER is a size smaller than the EDGE so being lighter is no problem. the third role seat is also utterly useless if you are over five foot tall. Most people just leave withe the dealer or in their garage. The AVALON, to only car that is across the board more boring than the CAMRY, which also undersold worse than the 2009 TAURUS/FIVE HUNDRED in 2008, is being canceled.

Also there is that issue of “Feel”, you know that thing than some people like to complain about. A TOYOTA car door feels hollow and flimsy and sounds it when you close it behind you. A HEAVY door sounds like a bank vault door being closed and you feel safe in that car. It may weight more but well people like the sound of “solid”. Further I don’t think it is hip to have a large car that a five year old can rock one handed without trying.

Now back to the awesome little engine…

I just drove DC to NYC in low traffic today, in a 2003 Saab 9-5 Aero that weighs about 3600lbs (plus my 200), and because my driving record is far from spotless, I had to keep it slow at 80 MPH. And oh surprise, I got an average of 30.6 MPG (including a bit of traffic at the end).

That’s an old (6 years is a lot of time in turbo development) turbo without DI and not particularly geared towards fuel efficiency, and I could have driven more carefully (always people chilling in the left lane at 72 in a 65, forced me to take extreme measures sometimes, so much for the driving record…).

The point is, a brand new, DI, fuel-efficiency optimized engine like the one Ford is talking about easily should get 40 MPG in a vehicle less than 4000lbs.

NeedforSSspeed.. GM gets insane numbers out of their 2.0 turbo and it is 100% for performance vehicles. This engine is going to put down very VERY solid numbers for such an engine and will return much better mileage figures, and will surely be more “liveable” for those people who want something a bit smoother. The GM engine is tuned for performance, and with that will come a bit of brashness (regardless of the fact that is it an amazing engine). My biggest concern is that VW needs to hurry the hell up and give us the 265hp version of the 2.0T that will likely only see use in the GTI-R on our shores, at least for the time being. Sure you can chip it, but nothing beats factory reliability… and being able to put in a warranty claim without dispute.

please cram this into the fiesta at some point, ford, pretty please

I ahve a couple of Ford tech friends and they saw a 2010 F150 2wd pickup with a 4 banger Ecoboost engine in it doing burnoffs at a test facility. They told me Ford had been testing the engine in a variety of vehicles to see what it could do. The power is pretty remarkable for its displacement. Don’t count out any vehicle for this engine.

Blakkar
Your ignorance frightens me
Edge bigger than Highlander?
Hollow doors in Toyotas?
Please wake the f&%$ up!

GM has product
Ford is, for the 2nd decade n a row, is still flailing at the market
Big difference!
Ford has much bigger problems than Honda/Toyota, which they can’t handle either
DrFill

As soon as you buy this ecocrap engine, it will probably have problems just like every other American engine.

Don’t buy American crap because its patriotic!

I believe an engineer at Saab once said that the limit of FWD platforms is 220 bhp. While that may be a little off, I think Ford should come out with a RWD econobox with upgradability with this engine. With a 40 mpg figure from what is likely a FWD platform estimate, a properly designed RWD platform should be able to exceed 37 mpg.

ihateford-gm-chrysler…. ur an idiot. there have been alot of domestic motors that have been proven reliable.
It’s just too bad the body rusts faster then the motor. I could tell you horror stories about BMW’s, VW’s, Honda’s, etc.

You trolls and import only lovers are so useless and single minded. Why cant people respect other manufacturers cars, when it seems all they can do is put down every car from that manufacturer just because its American or Japanese. We dont want to hear your **** about how you think every Honda is better then every Ford just because its a Honda. This is so annoying. If your not actually going to talk about the article at hand then shut the hell up please, and leave your opinions and your hardons for imports on another thread.

Anyways, this is going to be an awesome direction for Ford. Talk about an exciting engine to put in a small car, and still get great milage. Ive heard that these engines WILL go into the focus and fiesta from a few people around Detroit.

I wouldnt mind a euro platform focus with a 200hp turbo 4 selling for around 20 grand, I know everyone on here would love to get their hands on a 305hp focus RS but when one takes in to account that when you convert pounds to dollars it would retail for around 40 grand here (EVO,135i money) it does not seem so cool. But getting around 36-39mpg coupled with a sub 7 second 0-60 and a 20k price tag ford would have a huge hit on their hands…ehh who am I fooling we will never see it.

you could see those numbers for performance, but not at that price…you’re right, that’s not going to happen…you might see that in the 25k-30k range, though…think of a gti or mazdaspeed 3 with better mileage…that sort of thing…20k, unfortunately, is an unrealistic goal for price…

These are the kinds of leading steps that could push Ford into being the #1 car company in US. Now it’s time to deliver. BTW, don’t forget to give us proper European handling while you’re at it.

Heck if I could get away with it I would want Ford to make me an EcoTech 2 Cylinder lol get 100MPG.
DR Fill the NEW TAURUS SHO is awesome it OWNS THE Pontiac GXP and CTS-V any day of the week! That all out performance in any weather condition can those cars do the same. hell No. And way out run them altogether in a cross country race. I will at least have all my luggage when I cross the finish line 1st in my Taurus SHO!

I hope Ford has a SVT version of this Eco-tech motor rating it conservatively at 330 HP…you wanna go GM and VW Trash!.

Dr.Fill @ 07/22, 6:18a

Ah… So you agree… begrudgingly. That is the only reason for you manner of response.

You should have read and compared the specs on the vehicles in question. The EDGE is larger than the HIGHLANDER. Not by much, but then good tuning makes that difference not all that apparent. Also the EDGE weighs only 350lbs more not 500lbs as you erroneously claim.

And yes most TOYOTA’s sound like they have hollow, flimsy, plastic doors. They feel like they weight nothing, swinging on the hinge. I never felt safe in a TOYOTA car. It felt like I was closing a cardboard panel. You are told the car is safe and it may well be. But it never feels it. Not to me.

Maybe you are just a FORD-hater. That’s on you. But FORD has been gaining market share while GM is still sliding. TOYOTA in America is trending towards tanking. HONDA is in an increasingly desperate holding action. Care to explain any that? Further I’ve never been let down by a FORD, or a GM for that matter. So, I have my own experiences to inform my adoration for those companies and their products. Then again, I know how to take care of my car and turn a wrench when I need to.

Yes every company out there is hurting for things beyond their control but that is just stating the obvious. That was the part you were trying to change the subject with wasn’t it?

Anyway back to the Awesome little engine.

Dr Fill…check your facts. The Edge weighs 27 lbs more than the Highlander. Nearly identical HP AND MPG. The choice is that do you need room for cargo or dwarfs. Well, and the Highlander is $1000 more. But hey, if you have the extra cash and you like the looks of a dated Subura, Highlander is your ticket. Hmmmm, and to think the Edge keeps on outselling Highlander.

One more thing, Toyota’s been knocked down to #3 in sales in the US this year, both GM and Ford have passed them up.

I quoted the AWD EDGE. My Bad.

Andy whilst I agree on the high fuel across the majority of the Euro zone, I totally and categorically can say you are wrong with your comment on mass spending on a transit system especially in the UK.

I take it you haven’t tried getting a taxi out of a major city after 11.30 on a Friday night – what no trains only a $110 yes hundred and ten dollars for a 22 mile journey

The infrastructure in the UK is disjointed at best catastrophic under funded at worst, go read about beaching, and how the UK has consistently failed to provide a cohesive recovery plan in over 50 years.

BK
CTS-V is on another planet from SHO performance, and at $20k more, it should be
The GXP will waste the SHO in any performance measure, and if you look up the tests, it does!

Blakkar
You are right!
I was using the C&D 10/08 comparison as my point of reference, only problem is it was the Ford Flex that was much heavier, not the Edge
I actually like the Edge’s looks!
DrFill