400HP for a 5 Liter is decent I guess….

My question is why they didn’t design this engine as a DI engine since it was a new design from the start. The power and efficiency gains are pretty significant. Especially if they are planning to make a turbo version. The extra cooling effect provided by direct injection works very well with boost allowing more manifold pressure with less risk of detonation. Now that would be a killer engine.

This is still very nice, but could have been better.

It takes Chevy 6 liters to make 400hp. I’d say Ford is doing good.

I fail to see a cooling effect when DI has a higher combustion temperature, but whatever, someone here can set that straight.

The ‘Stang motor will have different numbers than the F150 to reflect the different mission statements. What does the SS Camaro put out? I’d expect the GT to put out 1 more.

I kinda wonder why they didn’t go for DI (If only for better fuel economy), but I’m still happy to see the return of the 5.0.

Vanilla Ice will be happy. Along with a lot of rednecks.

DI does seem like a no brainer these days…

So can someone explain the point of the 6.2 liter then?

Totally missed the mention of a possible twin turbo’d GT500 with this motor, if that does happen it would be AWESOME.

Rollin’ in my 5.0…

That’s awful big for a coyote…

Unless it’s the kind that’s bringing them over the border…

“In cartoons, the Coyote is only beat by a Road Runner.” He also repeatedly falls off of cliffs. I hope that’s not a sign of things to come.

a4, its easier to just increase the size of an engine to increase output but its more difficult, and efficient, to produce a well made smaller engine with the same power. thats why chevy trucks suck

lets wait for an explanation of that from nmofgm hahaha

400 HP in the Mustang will blow the current Camaro in the weeds because of its weight advantage.. Chevy needs to work on the handling problems of the current car. It weighs to much, and it shows when to try to turn….

The point of the 6.2… it will have more torque.

the point of a 6.2L…. why not? if you can get 436HP AND 26MPG out of a push rod 6.2L V8, then why wouldn’t you?

Better than GM 6.2……….. where is @NMOFGM ???? Somebody please shoot him

6.2 is still a good platform with great fuel economy for the size, and can be tweaked quite easily to put this 5.0 to shame (guessing). That said, the Ford engine looks like a real winner, especially in the Mustang. And LOL on the Vanilla Ice, RaineMan! Rollin’ in my 5.0…

So what… I saw 2 Mustangs and 2 F-150’s riding around with this motor a couple months ago in the Lou.

It would be interesting to see if Ford does produce a “Road Runner” V-8 in it’s GT500. I always love seeing a huge corporation having a sense of humor on things now and again.

@ Sprockkets

I may be wrong but was going on descriptions of DI engines that ofter include statements such as this.

Optimised engine efficiency
The reduction in fuel consumption and CO2 emissions achieved by Ford EcoBoost engines is the result of a combustion system which burns the fuel in the most efficient and cleanest way possible.

At the heart of this is a high-pressure direct injection system which injects fuel into each cylinder in small, precise amounts at a pressure of up to 200 bar – the droplet size is typically smaller than 0.02mm, one-fifth the width of human hair.

****Compared to conventional fuel injection, direct injection produces a cooler, denser charge, delivering improved fuel economy and performance.********** Like in a modern diesel engine, multiple injections are also possible per combustion cycle, which further enhances economy and emissions.

Variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust camshafts helps four-cylinder Ford EcoBoost engines optimise gas flow through the combustion chamber at all engine speeds, improving efficiency and performance, particularly at part load.

This was part of a descripton of the EcoBoost engines on Ford Motor Companies website.

From above. My understanding of DI is that the cooler, denser fuel charge helped cool the chamber allowing for higher compression and higher levels of boost. This helps the efficiency as well.

928 is right, everything I can find on DI says it provides a cooler and denser charge.

And that makes perfect sense, since the fuel is sprayed straight into the combustion chamber the fuel doesn’t have to go through the hot intake manifold where you pray it vaporizes and mixes with the air properly, it gets heated up, maybe some of it lost in carbon deposits, etc.

400hp is impressive out of a 5.0L V8.

But as already stated the pushrod 6.2L V8 is going to have more torque and it’ll have more potential.

I wonder if you could squeeze the 6.2 into the Mustang engine bay…

There’s a project I’d love to be involved with.

928 and 2 wheeled speed… The cooler denser air is not going to cool the engine. The fact that it is cooler causes it to be denser and therefore has more oxygen and fuel in a smaller area… until you ignite it, then it expands more than a less dense charge and creates higher pressures which create more heat within the engine, hence the need for more cooling with Direct injection.

Don’t confuse engine cooling with combustion chamber cooling.

As the atomized fuel is sprayed into the chamber it is my understanding that this direct injection helps cool the piston surface prior to the planned detonation with spark. The issue is this avoids early or unplanned combustion of fuel (detonation) from high combustion chamber surface temps.

Now you are correct that the actual combustion has more energy due to the higher fuel/air density, (especially with boost shoving in more air). Any time you put out more power in an ICE, you will create more heat. But, the way the atomized fuel is injected had cooling effects on the chamber itself.

We’re not talking about cooling the engine… At least I’m not. If DI engines run hotter it’s because they are capable of running at much higher compression ratios. Heat is a problem common to any high compression engine. That’s the reason many high compression engines require premium fuel, a problem avoided by DI because the fuel charge being sprayed in is cooler (And therefore avoids pre-combustion aka spark knock).

Wow, that wasn’t planned at all.

Another way to look at it is to compare to an intercooler. This does not cool the engine but does cool the air charge from the heat generated by compressing the air allowing for less chance of detonation and letting you up boost pressures safely.

@2 wheeled speed.

Jinx.

This engine should have been out already. it dose look like it will be a good engine.
people comparing it to the gm6.2 the 6.2 will probably have a better torque curve then this engine but who knows for sure. you really should not compare displacement vs hp torque vs displacement yes and or fuel economy. if you get the rpm high enough you will have you hp. it probably wont need as good of a cure for the mustang because it is lighter. i wonder if it will be able to handle boost like the 5.4 in the Shelby.

DI could come in the future.

Uh………
Why make a 6.2 and a 5.0 with the same power, for the same vehicles?
DrFill

Seems to me Bugs Bunny also beat the coyote a few times…

Ford has been making V8’s for atleast 80 years now and they are finally building a V8 that produces a respectable amount of power in relation to its size. Should we be impressed? hell no, Hyundai, a newcomer to the V8 territory is already producing a 400hp 5 litre V8 currently sold in the Asian market. And I can bet this “coyote” V8 won’t be nearly as smooth and refined as Hyundais V8.

ACC, I’ll take that bet. My 4.6 puts out a mere 260 horse and while it may be a tad loud because it’s supposed to be, ’smoothness’ is not an issue. It’s a V8. It’s inherently smooth such is the nature of its design. Don’t confuse the nature of the beast with its exhaust system.

Actually,rumor has it that Ford is buying this so called Coyote engine from Hyundai ! SHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The engine is messy. V8 Briggs and Stratton Lawn Mower Engine. American Car Makers are 10 yrs behind Japanese Auto Makers in term of technology. The initial value for this car is twice as much as a Honda Civic but after 5 years, its value is lower than a 5 yrs old Civic. Sad

ACC, you’re a sad caricature of all the loser fanboys on this site… Congrats… You’re a boring clone… You too ghettocowboy…

BTW, Ford actually pipes noise from their V8 on the current Mustangs into the passenger compartment ON PURPOSE! Do you know why? Because a perfectly smooth and refined ride isn’t what most people want when they buy a V8 Mustang (And I’d put money on an American V8 outdoing a Hyundai one anyday…).

7 Lug truck is interesting. Are we sure it’s also a 5.0? Maybe the baby diesel we all hope for? It is jacked up an inch or two over the silver truck in the front, probably a payload package, but maybe a plow prep? All just wishful thinking because I would love to own a 1/2 ton diesel plow truck.
Is that a 90’s-something Explorer in the background?

ACC, why are you so obsessed with HP/L? 400HP from a 5.0L V8 production vehicle engine is good and compares favorably to almost every other “big” engine. The only one that beats it without sacrificing tourqe and without peaking near 8,000 RPM is the Lexus 5.0L in the IS-F making 414 HP. Also, I think the 400 HP figure from Ford is not final.

@fordman: No it is not. More than two year development on that engine indicates, it is not bought in.

Whoa with the twin screws or twin Force on that All Aluminum Block were talking over 1,000 HP easy. See ya later ZR-1 and Good BYE Porsche GT3! Welcome to the New 2013 Ford Mustang! Leader of the Pack. Ford Motor is back and on Track! I tell ya I have seen @ least a half dozen Ford Taurus on the road and may only 2 of that new Buick LaGarbage

oh yeah is Buck LuGarbage, I want a 2013 Mustang Now with the 1,110 HP and 8 SPD DDCT

Dude, that’s some good stuff you’re smoking. Pass it down so I can take a drag off it.

Hey BM and I do mean BM! we’ll see who is smoking who at the light come 2013! But we already do it now with the GT500 Mustang

Bad Motorfinger?

That stuff is killing your brain cells.

Look, it’s not that Ford “can’t” make a car that will beat the ZR-1, it’s that they “won’t”, because it would be expensive, impractical and unprofitable, with the most operable word being “unprofitable.” Ford isn’t stupid. Toyota is kicking @$$ without a supercar. Ford knows that they don’t “need” a supercar to compete in today’s world. Sure, the Ford GT was built, but that legacy will hang on for quite some time. The Mustang is a good enough car as is to add to the legacy, and with the Raptor and the Focus RS, there is plenty of “sports heritage” to carry over to other cars. There is no need for a ZR-1 killing Mustang (that’s what the GT was for), so Ford won’t spend the time and energy on it. Ford prefers profit, and so they will focus their energy on profit-making research, like safety, design, navigation technology, and other things.

The Mustang GT500 may be able to take the ZR-1 at a light, but it cannot take the ZR-1 in the ‘ring. It never will unless it’s modified. Making a Mustang of that caliber would be jumping classes, and the price of the regular Mustang would necessarily skyrocket. Ford knows better than to drive away their fan base, and therefore, Ford “won’t” make a Mustang like that.

Shelby will, though.

BM for Brains you have a logical Argument. However a car company does not need make car cost over 100,000 Dollars to compete with the very best and fastest in the world Behold the Mighty Nissan GT-R .
It is still wise to compete at most every level imaginable and do so in a cost effective way. Making a Supercar Mustang is not out of reach my friend. The current Iteration Pumps out a Healthy 540 HP the
ZR-1 does not even pump out 100 more horsepower. The car has several flaws one of which Hugely is safety is given up for better acceleration. But No making a Super Mustang to Beat a Corvette will NOT I REPEAT NOT cost and arm and a leg to do so. Your Day dreaming to much if you think that can’t be done son. THE GT-R does so @ 69K and almost 200 Less Horsepower and its alot heavier.

I didn’t say “can’t”, I said “won’t.” Big difference.

A $69k Mustang means the base model will start at no less than $42k, close to current GT500 pricing. That’s out of the reach for the average fan base, and Ford just isn’t that stupid.

See, they don’t have to do it. They’re selling just fine as they are. The Mustang goes up against the Camaro and beats it in some areas, and loses in others (mostly the subjective areas). Ford hasn’t stopped selling Mustangs since they’ve started building them, so there really is no reason to go out on a limb and jump up a class. Ford knows what they are doing.

Also, I think I should point out that Nissan is selling each GT-R at a loss. Therefore, the $69k GT-R costs more than $69k to build (I seem to remember reading it was around $100k). It may not cost an arm and a leg, but building a ZR-1 killer will certainly cost more than the $47k that the GT500 goes for. Ford definitely will not step into that pile, especially with the economy the way it is. I don’t want them to, either. I’d rather Ford avoid slipping and falling on their butts than make a Mustang to compete with the ZR1. It just makes more financial sense, and I like Ford. They’ve been good to me, so I want to see them around longer.

I believe Ford is going in the right direction with a lot of their lineup. The Raptor is incredible, the Focus is a good car for the money, the Fiesta is excellent, the Fusion is a good value, the Taurus is pretty cool, and the Mustang is a very nice pony car. I see Fords everywhere, and with good reason. They make a decent vehicle, and people enjoy them so far.

Now, I have to say, whether or not you like the ZR1 (and I know you don’t), you have to respect what GM accomplished with it. There’s a big difference between like and respect. For example, I don’t like Porsche much, but I respect them. I understand what they can do, what their heritage is, and what a great machine they build. But I will never own one because I don’t like the way they look. The ZR1 deserves respect whether or not we like it. I, personally, would drive one if I won it (I live in Vegas), but I wouldn’t buy a ZR1. I also wouldn’t buy a Mustang, just because I see them everywhere, yet I do respect Ford and the Mustang.

I feel the need to point out that the ZR1 is still 2nd place in the ‘ring – behind the Viper ACR. Respect where it is due.

Why is “cas¡no” blocked?

No Sir I have no Respect for a Bunch of Mudslingers at GM they laud their products as if no one existed and Put Rumors in the Mill about Ford’s Mustang by calling it a Pig or the Taurus by calling it a Jelly Bean. Yeah But that Jelly Bean Outsold all 5 GM divisions in the same class combined! Like I was saying the Insult Mustang Owner because it is Heavier than the POS Corvette which if one smashed into the other the Mustang comes out the Victor. The Corvette Driver will be lucky to escape with his life!
And No Sir I have insider information Ford is coming out with the Mustang GRX Version a highly touted Performance Version of the Mustang that Blows Past the Corvette ZR1 and goes where only Ferrarri’s and Lambo’s go! I am sick of your Pipsqueak mouth. Camaro Yuck what a POJ. I got ya your a Chevy Fanboy trying to cloak yourself as a Ford Fella. GOTCHA ! BM YOU FRAUD

I’m not the one who said I owned a POS Silverado that blew smoke out the back, and then said I never owned a GM vehicle.

I’ll say it again, I have no bias for any make whatsoever. I have had good experiences with many vehicles of different makes, and bad experiences with many vehicles of different makes. I work for a television station, and therefore I have no reason to be biased in any direction whatsoever. So you trying to call me a liar is in defense of your own lying self. And therefore, I have a real hard time believing you have any insider information at all, and I believe you’re just full of hot air.

I will say that there may have been some conspiracy against Ford in the past. I remember watching a documentary about Ford announcing a 10,000 mile oil change, and then mechanics telling people not to buy Fords because they would break down a lot, when in reality the mechanics believed they would not see Ford buyers in the shop as often, and therefore wanted to secure their jobs. Makes sense. How truthful it is, I don’t know, but it’s plausible.

Here is all my GM experience:
I have personally never owned a GM vehicle.
My father had an Astro that was always in the shop. I don’t recall any other GMs that he has owned.
My mother has an H2 (pig, but fun to drive) and a TransAm WS6 (fun, but uncomfortable). She also had a ‘97.5 TransAm Special Edition that was incredible, but it was in the shop every other month for a new transmission. She owned a ’70s era Camaro as well. I don’t recall any others she’s had.
My brother drove an Alero while working for the state of Utah. He only buys Hondas.
My oldest sister has a Silverado, and it serves her and her husband well. They like it because it’s easy for him to lift her into the seat and then put her wheel chair in the back without having to bend down too much. He’s always been a Chevy guy, and he always will be.
My other sister has never owned a GM vehicle.
My wife had an Oldsmobile Cutlass Sierra when I met her. It was awful, because none of the electronics work. She doesn’t recall any other GM vehicles.
My mother-in-law had a Grand Prix up until a few years ago, when it was broadsided and totaled. She’s fine. She had a 1500 for many years, too.
My brother-in-law (wife’s brother) has an S-10 that is fine and a Transport that is a POS.
My sister-in-law (wife’s sister) currently drives a Malibu and hates it. It’s her first car.
My work has a Silverado that is pretty decent, a Trail Blazer that is always in the shop, and a van that is horrible. My work used to have an Intrigue that was always broken.
Even though I’ve never owned a GM, I have driven every one of those that I mentioned. I have also driven everything from Aveos to Corvettes and Escalades.

Now for Ford:
I had a 1992 Ford Escort. It was the most reliable car I have ever owned. Period. I have not owned another Ford since, but I will some day.
My father had some kind of Ford truck many years ago. He liked it.
My mother bought the ‘79 Mustang when it first came out, and she also had a ‘94 Mustang, and she loved both of them.
My oldest sister had her major car accident in a Mach II Mustang and ended up paralyzed. I don’t think her husband will ever buy a Ford.
My brother and my other sister have never had Fords.
My wife had a Bronco and hated it.
My mother-in-law had a Ford truck many years ago, and she loves Ford vehicles. She’s eying the Flex.
My brother-in-law (wife’s brother) had a Mustang that was modified to over 500 HP. He talks about it all the time, but he sold it years ago.
My sister-in-law (wife’s sister) is still on her first car, the Malibu, but she’s thinking of trading it for a Focus per my guidance.
We had two Aerostars at work. One was horrid, and the other was great. The horrid one had a good engine, but nothing else worked. The great one was great until it was involved in a head-on collision at 40mph. The driver was fine, but the van was totaled.

The Great B(abe)M(agnet) has spoken.

I’m excited about this engine & the total performance package Ford is putting together with the Mustang. Finally the Mustang is a legitimate world class road course vehicle and Ford is dictating to GM and Dodge that they must follow along these lines, or perish yet again. To me the coyote engine represents a new benchmark for value performance cars in general. I’d like to see either DI or TT in the 3.7 & 5.0 and bet that by 2015 one for both will be in the regular production cars.
For those asking about the 6.2L engine in a Mustang why? The 6.2 was designed as a durable worker drone for the truck line, embrace the 5.0 for what it is; a racing engine pure and simple. When the 5.0L comes out a $50k M3 or similar owner will pull up next to one and know that Mustang GT for $20k less either off the line or around the turns, it’s simply better. BMW cannot build a better vehicle at the price point of the Mustang period, it’s new boy-racer M3 won’t be sold in America because it’s way too expensive. The Mustang GT with the 4.6L swept the last to years’ Grand-am racing series, against the likes of the BMW M3 and Porsche 997.
Now that is putting pride back in America hat’s off to Ford.

Strange that the article says, “The engine will be shared with the Mustang” and says, “…replace them with the Coyote V-8 in 2010″ when in actuality the 5.0L has been revealed by Ford not to be shared with the Mustang, but in fact featured ONLY in the Mustang, and in 2011, not ‘10.

I love reading these Chevy vs. Ford vs. Dodge vs……. arguments. Truth is people is that when you have to work on cars all day, 5 or 6 days a week for a living, you realize that there is neither a particularly good, nor bad auto manufacturer out there. All the engineers and designers that work for these companies all went to the same schools and were taught the exact same things. Basically what they were taught, ( I assume ) is how to screw over the guy that has to fix their under-designed junk. Go, ahead. Oooh, and awe over this over this new Ford motor, or say its garbage and that Chevy’s are the best. I don’t care one way or another. Just remember, you probably aren’t the one that has to fix it at the end of the day.