I remember how popular the late 80’s 5.0 mustangs were…with all of 220 horsepower.

^^^and Michael Jackson was black male

They need to Trump Camaro’s 426 and make their’s 451 HP LOL. I can see 1000 HP variants off this motor

will this be aluminum or cast-iron? I will be really disappointed if it is cast-iron

I can understand why FORD is not talking about hti s Engine with all the furor over F/econ and FORD just now getting their EcoBoost engines out. But I want to now FORD has not totally abandoned traditional American V8 power. Sure FORD usually fields a smaller engine than GM, but Dewd are those some tough engines.

Now how about making some vehicles worthy of the engine.

My only question is who’s going to buy the first batch of 2010 Mustang GTs knowing this is just around the corner?

I went to see Vanilla Ice on Saturday at some club by my house. Ahhh, his triple white Convertable 5.0…

Consider the current Mustang GT turns 4.9 in 0-60 is right next to the 4.8 for the Camaro SS in a “photo finish” per Motor Trend. Add this 5.0 with 400HP (or the 3.5V6 EcoBoost at 400HP 400ft-lbs and lighter weight) and Ford has a considerable arsenal of new engine weapons to effectively exploit (kick ass) vs. any competitor.

I think that this engine replaces the 4.6, and the 6.2 will replace the 5.4.
It’s good to hear that the V-8 is not dead, I hope they make a new on-road performance focused F-150 to replace my aging 2003 Lightning

Madcapp:

220 hp/ 300 ft. lb of torque the was enough to get a 3000 lb Fox platform ‘Stang to 60 in just under 6.0 sec, (probably lower if traction could have been improved) and run extremely low 14 sec. quarter miles.

That was better than the Vette, at least as good as a Ferrari 328, and only barely bettered by the Buick Grand National.

Remember that 220 hp was a huge jump from V-8 offerings of the early 1980s – in the wake of the 1974 Oil Embargo. A generation of small block V-8s were hampered by low compression ratios to improve fuel economy. The L83 350 in the 1982 Vette had sunk to 200 hp. Even by 1986 the L98 in the Vette was pumping out 230 hp.

The 3.0 liter V8 in the Ferrari 308 QV was developing a “mere” 245 hp and by the late eighties the 3.2 l version in the 328 GTB made 270 hp.

Make that ditto for me too idrinorbarsaku I would like this to be ALL ALUMINUM Coyote Engine not all IRON- That is what the Mustang needs is to lighten its load is an Aluminum Block. An all Iron Cast Block is way too heavy and eats too much gas. IF Not Ford get an ALL ALUMINUM VERSION of the Coyote READIED for me!!!

greg, total agreement my friend. I couldn’t believe it when I read, “A boost all the way up to 400 ponies should give the Mustang enough firepower to take on the new Chevrolet Camaro and Dodge Challenger.”
It already ran better times than the Challenger and is already competitive with the Camero. This engine will kick ass.

Ok ok Guy True the V6 Econ Boost will certainly get noticed. But this Engine Needs to do is really Trumph on top of that the only way it gets it done is Aluminize it and then Eco Boost it to the Max to anywhere from 700 HP to 1200 HP variants then mate it to a lighter Mustang, and give it the Dual Clutch 6 spd, and when you can afford it Ford make it a Dual Clutch 7,8, or 10 spd Transmission. Heck everything is Outsourced anyway. Its not like all this equipment is done in house any more. Get Getrag is their!

I want to see 0-60 Times of 1.9 Seconds standing Quarter 7.7 Seconds

@greg Was that the GT with the Track option?

So are they saying 400hp will be standard in the GT? Either way, this will make the Mustang on par with the Camaro. Unfortunately for Ford, the Mustang is looking long in the tooth and needs a redesign.

The 2010 Mustang with the 4.6 is like a tenth of a second slower than the new Cumaro, so why would anyone wait for the 5.0 which will probably add even more weight to the front end AND be considerably more expensive. A few inexpensive mods to the 4.6 will have you eating Camaros and Challengers for lunch.

EL COYOTE!!!!!!
TIME TO START UP THE GRILL AND MAKE SOME, CARNE ASADA, CHILL SOME CORONA’S, AND CALL UP THE LADY’S…..

keldon, there are three flaws in your logic. The first is you have no facts to back up your statement about the weight. Secondly, go past 0-60 and the Camaro almost equals the 540 horse GT500 (Car & Driver June issue: “V-8 makes mincemeat of the competition”). Lastly, if you’re depending on after market mods to bring your 4.6 up to similar performance levels that pretty much makes any bump in the MSRP- assuming there is one- kind of futile.

Mmmmm Steak Carne Asada Yummy. yes pass the Corona over here And we can listen to the Coyote’s Howling at the Moon or Sunset.

LMAO, Yard Dog. Nice.

All I can say is it’s about effing time.

These project names are kewl.
Beware of the Apache 6.4

I had some carne asada last weekend, and on Friday, my mother-in-law made some ceviche. Yesterday, we grilled burgers and homemade fries, but we still put lime and chile on them. Good stuff.

But you have to be careful con los coyotes, because they may just leave you stranded in the Arizona desert…

Hopefully, though, this engine won’t leave illegal aliens stranded in the desert…

i’m so having grand theft auto flashbacks from this thread…

About time for this 5.0L came out, let see who’s GM and Chrysler’s daddy.

Considering it has an advantage over the Camaro and Challenger in weight and drag it could probably go head to head with the V8 Camaro with the 5.0. It’s about time American companies skool Japan’s sports products.

well the chevy is dead again … it just cant keep up.
about time ford.. i think the 6.2 will make about 450- 500 hp lol

Doesn’t the new “Boss” 6.2 get 400HP? How will this make similar power? Turbochargers? I seriously doubt this is naturally aspirated at 25% more powerful than the competition’s mid-level engines
DrFill

Forget Camaro- we’re talking eats Porsche and GT-R’s for Lunch here all we need is the DDCT and A lightened and Revised Body for the New Mustang and AWD!

johnnycnuck, my point is the Mustang is almost a match 0-60 for the Camaro as it is…only 2 tenths slower (June MTrend). I didn’t say anything about going past 60. Obviously the 6.2 is going to have more top end Einstein. I’m simply saying that with a few minor mods the lighter Mustang could easily beat the Camaro 0-60. So why wait for the upcoming 5.0, which WILL be heavier and much more expensive, trust me.

keldon, first of all let’s not get into name calling. You want to discuss Mustangs that’s great, I’ve owned 5 of them including my current ‘02 GT which for what it’s worth I put close to 400kms on today driving from the B.C. Okanagan to Vancouver. Even with ‘only’ 260 hp I was taking many stretches and slow speed turns at the mph equivalent of the posted kph speed limits.

But back to our pissing contest and again, you just don’t know that. Show me where this information is and I will gladly bow to your superior knowledge. Until such time, don’t make sh*t up.

johnnycanuk, make sh** up? MT tested the cars and got the 2 tenths difference and also noted the Mustang is several hunderd lbs lighter. And do u think Ford is going to sell the 2011 Mustang GT with a 5.0 at the same price as the current car?? So the only point I made which may not hold true is the weight of the 5 vs the 4.6. But again, my original point was that with only a few minor alterations to a 2010 Mustang GT, it could beat the new Camaro to 60mph. And as far as getting into a pissing match, you started the negativity by telling me my logic was flawed, when all i was doing was stating my opinion.

keldon, that’s more like it. Can we pick this up later? What I didn’t mention is that my trip today also involved 4 speed traps and some heavy braking maneuvers to avoid them so all three of my feet are really tired! I hope you stay on this forum. I love pissing matches when they stay on topic.

Johnnycanuck…No problem…looking forward to it! Always willing to gab it up with a fellow Mustang fan.

what if this new mill is lighter, just ’cause its bigger doesn’t always mean heavier, lets not forget, displacement is empty space, and weight it what surrounds it. it doesn’t say what the block, pistons, crank case, nor heads will be made of or what composition the liners will be. also this news comes from down under, it will have an application in the falcon, and its FPV variant, while the application here is just an assumption, albeit and good one that they should plop it into the mustang. P.S. johnny, was it on the Coquihalla? kinda nice just to let the car fly and let the mountains go by

I wish the chevy guys would quit quoting that bogus article in Car and Driver about the GT500 times. Edmunds stated the GT500 would kill the SS in any speed test, their best time was 0-60 in 4.0 seconds and best 1/4 time in 12.2 by the timimg lights at the track. Motor Trend did the 1/4 mile at 12.7 at 118 mph in GT500 and they mention that the track conditions where bad also. All the publications tested the GT500’s on the same day and at the same track, Motor Trend , Edumds, Garage 419 and the rest stated the track was slick and they had a 25 mph head wind to contend with, which made for much slower times then the car was capable of doing; Car and Driver some how left that out. Anyways Car and Driver is in a pissing match with Shelby in which they slam Shelby personally, so Car and Driver word is to be taken with a whole bunch of grains of salt where Shelby cars are concerned. Bottom line the GT500 will eat up the new SS camaro at any track under the same condition, read Edmunds review of the GT500 they summed it up the best when compared to the SS.

am i the only one thinking how coyote always lost to roadrunner?

atoms, it was the southern route- the Crowsnest. It’s way more fun, lots of twisty bits!

Cobra I think your missing the Point. You should’nt even mention a Camaro SS in the same sentence with the King of Mustangs the GT500, because it does’nt belong. Your talking about a car that produces 120 HP MORE THAN a silly camaro ss. Its a cute toy in comparison.

You can take the base model Mustang and compare that instead with the V-6 Ecoboost that should put out 436 Horsepower

And actually the Mustang GT500 should therotically be even with Porsche GT3 of the GT2 , Nissan Skyline GT-R V Spec , Dodge Viper ACR the very top with 540 HP.

Ford has to get the base car lighter, add AWD, DDCT-6/8spd, Aluminum Coyote V-8,, IRS front and Rear Suspension and bump HP rating up to 740 to 840 HP

As a former owner of the 1987 Mustang GT, which in all due correctness in SAE measurement, the engine is actually a 4.9-liter V8 despite the cute 5.0 badge on the fender. A good old lump of pushrod cast iron that remained durable despite the abuse I put it through. That engine was a hoot. The body structure was not. It just rusted from the hatch area and floor boards. Rustang GT.

As a current owner of the 1998 Mustang GT 4.6-liter, I would hope that this so-called Coyote thing be the standard GT engine for 2011. My ‘98 is aging and slow. Please don’t use plastic intake manifolds. I will blow another massive coolant leak straight through the thermostat housing area. I drive hard with my fat ass. I want the new engine upgrade to be cheap but strong from the get go. Ford, please make this right and affordable. Do not put a ridiculous sticker price on it like the garaged queen GT500KR.

The 2007-2009 GT500 had published acceleration numbers slower than the 2003-2004 SVT Cobra “Terminator” despite having a 130-hp advantage. What was Ford thinking?

You idiots who want this new 5.0-liter to be all aluminum must be smoking crack. Once your thermostat, water pump, or radiator fails, say goodbye to your soda can motor. Results may include warped or cracked cylinder heads, blown head gasket, or cracked engine block. What do you think happens when you overheat a Cadillac Northstar, also a all-aluminum self proclaimed gem of a motor? Jesus christ.

Camaro and Challenger are juggernaut luxury cars gone retro. Sure, my ‘98 GT gets smoked by a ‘93 Camaro Z28 350 LT1 all day long. But the latest offerings from GM and Chrysler lack the distinct raw feel that Mustangs were graced with. Simply put, the new Challenger SRT8 and Camaro SS might be faster. But those two cars are sorta artificial and high tech by driving themselves. Get behind the wheel of a Mustang GT and you are the driver, not the car.

The upcoming EcoBoost V6 Mustang will probably be expensive. Kinda reminds me of the turbocharged 2.3-liter 4-cylinder experiment called SVO. It’s highly likely the SVO name will return to grace the fenders for the new model. And it may horribly flop just like the original SVO because Mustang enthusiasts prefer a single formula of cheap, V8, and live axle rear-wheel-drive.

Vortec4200 your a GM idiot telling people “Once again” your a Ford Guy get off this site you loser.
The Coyote Engine in Aluminum Form will blow away Porsche and forget your ZR1 garbage.
We’re not talking Toy Camaro. We’re talking Top Banana-Porsche GT2/GT3
An Aluminum Engine would be Bullet Proof. – Light and 1000 HP easy I bet.

Bankruptcy, I will eat your you alive with my fat ass you dumb kid. I’ve screwed your mom in 3 of my Mustangs from different decades. You have 30 Hot Wheels of Mustangs including your fictional GT-R V-Spec you have on order. You reek dream car fan boy-ism and you drive a ‘96 Ford Taurus Wagon with a leaking valve cover gasket and bad motor mount.

The only GM products I have ever owned is the Bravada and TrailBlazer. You are a retard. Ever heard of people with more than one car? Yes, I screwed your mom in the SUVs also.

Hey BK2009, what kind of drugs are you on? Aluminum is a soft metal. Lightweight does not mean automatically a 1000-hp rating. Soft metal has a tendency to bend under stress. You are a immature teenager just like everyone says you are, not just this redneck who posted above. Why do you think my car has a iron block and iron cylinder heads? The 5.8L Windsor under my hood is probably capable of 1000-hp wiith big bucks because it’s cast iron but I’m content with the stock 495-hp. Keep in mind this is centrifugal supercharged and intercooled configuration, which in turn is under a high stress load. I personally think Saleen kept the output low to protect the rear end, driveshaft, slip yoke, clutch, and tranny. If you learn more about the composition of powertrains, then your posts may have some credibility. Until then, stop being a troll on here and take your childish comments elsewhere.

SaleenS351R Your a joke Most F1 cars are all Aluminum Block and those Engines Produce well over 1100 to 1300 HP and can attain above 2100HP as well. SO MUCH OF YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF METALLURGY and more exotic metal such as Alum and Titanium .Aluminum can withstand Normal Amounts of Heat as long as you have a large enough Radiator and other ways of Dissipating heat just like a computers CPU it’l function just fine.

Vortec I would Beat the living Day Lights out of ya if I caught yer Fat lard ass. I’d cancel your A** out like a Postage Stamp with a Fist to your Face!

BK2009, I’m no joke. I’m a license and insured technician at a Ford dealer with 5 ASE certifications. I have owned more American performance cars than Jay Leno. I’m also one of the lucky few who attained a low serial number Saleen S351-R when they rarely ever hit the lot for sale. The F1 cars you speak of produces prodigious amounts of power for the race day and the engine lifespan ends right then and there. The aluminum mill is disposed of after the event duration. They do not and cannot reuse the engine due to the composition matter. It’s quite the obvious. Even those phony stock cars called Nascars have all aluminum small block Chevys that get scrapped after everything is done for the evening. A larger radiator provides the cooling effect for normal operating temperatures only. A larger radiator will not help compensate the internal piston to cylinder wall contact patch. Which is why that cars with all aluminum engines are not really all aluminum in one essence. They have iron cylinder liners pressed in to protect the soft metal aluminum from disintegrating itself. I don’t think Ford wants to warranty an engine that goes to metal heaven in one day does it? And neither do I because it takes forever for them to reimburse me for warranty work.

SaleenS351R
As I said before you can have it if your cooling the engine down the right way. Listen there are plenty of Manufacturers that provide an All Aluminum Block with NO CAST IRON SLEEVES if it is done correctly. I’ll give you one good example Ie the ZR1 produces 638 HP do you think that Chevy wants to sell their Corvette at 100K a Pop and then tell the customer that just bought if Yes Sir that 638 HP will be good for a day and then you;ll have to scrap it because essentially your Corvette will be a POS and you need to take it to the nearest junk yard. So I think your living in fantasty land me thinks.

Because true this has been a problem with Aluminum it has a much lower melting point that Steel or Cast Iron, but it has something to offer that neither man made metals has to offer a huge savings in weight.
I think you need to go back and get a few more certifications in understanding how Aluminum and other metals such as Aircraft Titanium is used in everyday automobiles is done and secondly and more importantly how a manufacturer will warranty their power train 100,000 miles for 10 years that is before the government stepped in!

I think Lexus of Nissan uses Titantium in their engines as well. Once again its lighter but definitely more expensive. And to finish this up one more time yes Ford should ready an All Aluminum and Titanium Coyote V8, but I also believe and this will go much farther down the line. Their will come a time that Electric Performance will far out strip the IC Engine in terms of performance a good indication is take a look at the Tesla S Sedan and that is Just starting my friend it will ONLY IMPROVE. This is why Mercedes Benz is over here trying to get as much Technology off the two EE’s that started that company. Its amazing how the companies with power want to steal a great idea and make it their own.

Actually Bankruptcy2009, the supercharged ZR1 aluminum small block engine DOES INFACT HAVE cast iron cylinder liners. Information courtesy of press release specifications by General Motors.

American cars do not and will not use titanium for mass production due to cost reasons. However, the 2002-2006 Infiniti Q45’s valves were titanium and sodium filled. The Acura NSX had titanium connecting rods.

Bankruptcy2009, let me ask you some personal questions. Do you know what ASE stands for? When were you born and what grade are you in? What do you do for a living? Just curious, please humor me. I have 5 certifications because I’m a master technician. It is the maximum criterias available. I’m certainly old enough to be your grandfather with my graying temples. I’ve been at the same job as the senior master technician for over 37 years and quite frankly Ford agrees that I do it very well. I have plenty of spare time on my hands to educate teenagers like yourself who want to learn about automobiles because the dealership service department business traffic is below average. I’m also a part time high school auto mechanics instructor, for nearly 15 years. I would be happy to scan and e-mail you my credentials because what you imply versus what I do VERY WELL for a living are two different opposites.

I don’t worry about certifications I am the one that sets the certification standards as I have a College Degree! That is good your a Certified technician. Their is a much bigger leap from technician to Mechanical and Metalurgical Engineering. The understanding what a metals tolerances are. I am sure you know what is best for the operation of an engine. They are discovering new metal (Combo) Alloys that work bettter together all the time. The old days of Pure Cast Iron is done. The next thing we’ll do is come out with Electric motors that will make the so called muscle cars of today look like complete whimps in pale comparison mark my words on that one and you will live to see it!

The 4.6 might sound whimpy, but the overall engineering of the Mustang is way better than the Camaro or Challenger. In my opinion, its a blend of sport and muscle. But the 5.0 is badass, I heard that they’re bringing back the Boss 6.2 as well.

Bend your knees and touch your toes Camar-o, Ford’s gonna show you where the wild goose goes