“the equivalent of 500,000 miles”, which means nothing. None of it was done on the road and it was probably towed over half the way.

Hah…I agree with Crackerhemi. Bench testing motors under good conditions doesn’t mean a whole lot. Car engines have to endure extreme heat/cold, vibration, dirt, etc. in a real car.

LOL Ford is always lying to get ahead I remember a few months ago they had some MR company say that Fords where as reliable as Toyota’s which is a f–king lie!

They had a commercial that featured a comparison test btw the AWD V6 Fusion vs. the CE (lowest model) Camry and said the Fusion handled better lol With AWD I should hope it would

I also went to a Volvo XC90 comparo test where there was a loaded XC90 vs. an M Class Benz and an MDX. The catch was the MDX and M Class had 14′ wheels. The MD and ML handled like **** bc the OEM equipment was altered

FOMOCO is desperate. I doubt this new Ecoboost engine will last past 100k without MAJOR problems

Welcome to the world of marketing and advertising. That’s what disclaimers (a.k.a. “fine print”) are for. Notice all car commercials show a nice model with lots of features “starting at $11,550*”, and at the bottom they have “*Model shown is $19,985″. This is the same thing.

Ford has a lot riding on the Ecoboost and the better part of a year before it sees production. If you question their testing methods and reliability claims then don’t buy one.

duhhhhh johnny. I am obviously not going to buy any of the puny three, especially when the new prius pumps out more HP and torque than Fords “muscle” car

these must be the engines that theyre gonna charge $700 for

This car looks like it’s aged out already, and especially the spy pics of the MKZ. Oh, and only 340 hp? I mean Lexus and Mercedes Benz have a standard 300-315 hp without a turbocharger or anything. All Lincoln needs to do is stop competing with Buick and make edgy designs like everybody else. I mean the new Fords have way more appeal than Lincolns. I do have high hopes for the upcoming MKT though, it looks pretty promising so far.

@ Crackerhemi

Can you backup those figures please. I can’t see where the Prius puts out more than 350hp and 350lb tq.

Ford Ecoboost:
“In fact, with an estimated 340-horsepower and more than 340 lb.-ft. of torque, the Lincoln MKS will be the most powerful and fuel-efficient all-wheel-drive luxury sedan in the market.”

Toyota Prius - Gen 3
“With the new 1.8, output’s expected to shift from today’s 75 bhp to a more rousing
100 bhp. This together with a next generation electric motor should lift combined system output from the current 110 bhp to some 160 bhp, sources predict.”

I thought since school had started back that all the junior high kids would be too busy to be on the internet. Guess not…

tripleonefive - there are truth-in-advertising laws that prevent companies from broadcasting a “f–king lie”. You should learn about that in 10th or 11th grade.

tyler_is_aero_tt - Yes, Lexus, Mercedes, Infiniti, and many others have V6 engines with 300+ horsepower without a turbo, but none of them have close to 340 ft-lbs of torque (G37 has 270). Plus, all require premium gas. The Ecobost is about boosting power and fuel efficiency, not producing max HP numbers. HP is great when you are hitting triple digits on the Autobahn, but I haven’t found unlimited speeds anywhere in the US. Torque is a much better figure in day-to-day US driving.

I like how you omitted the torque figures of the new Prius. I was talking about the cruddy V6 mustang which requires a 4.0L V6 to pump out a lowly 200HP.

Also, you guys are brainless turds. Once the import cars start adding turbos back into their line up, they will crush the puny three. Don’t forget that the 3000GT and Supra were pumping out 320HP and 315ft/lb torque back in 1994.

And a GNX was doing that in the 80’s, so whats your point. Apples and oranges retard.
1115 how do you figure these engines won’t last past 100k when basically all engines from any automaker already last that long with ease

Cracker, again, stop bringing that crap to the table. No one eats it.

Prius pumps out more torque than a V6 Mustang (the base of the pony), but it does so at 1200 RPM. That means, right when you step on the accelerator, you get max torque. But by 2500 rpm, the torque is at around 90 lb.-ft., which is not enough to move the heavy car very quickly.

As far as horsepower goes, the Prius DOES NOT have more HP than the V6 Mustang. The new Prius WILL NOT have as much HP as the Mustang. No matter how you slice it, the “Prius has more HP than the Puny American Muscle” argument does not stand. The fact is, the Prius DOES NOT and WILL NOT have as much HP as the American muscle cars, even at the base level. And adding the max EV HP and max ICE HP together does not work, because the two powerplants hit those numbers at different RPMs.

I could go on all day about it. A Prius may have more torque at 1200 RPMs than most cars do at 5000 RPMs, but it drops off so sharply that it’s insignificant. And most people that race don’t launch at 0 RPMs (most cars idle at 1200 RPMs anyway). Instead, they launch at the beginning of their torque curve (which is why the GT-R launch control pegs it at 4400 RPM and not 1200). Therefore, while your “mighty Prius” is rapidly losing power as speed builds and RPMs rise, a Mustang is just starting to gain power.

Are you kidding me??? Most cars don’t idle at 1200RPMs. You better take your car to a tune up.

While some of you are right, Crackerhemi does seem to be mildly retarded….he makes a valid point that some people are overlooking because they’re concentrating on the numbers.

In almost every American car lies a powerplant with a relatively low power to displacement ratio, as compared to Japanese automakers. E.G. My ‘03 Alero, as well as most GM compact cars ,has a 2.4L Ecotec piece of crap in the front. It only puts out about 140 horsepower. The S2000’s 2.2L puts out a whopping 237 hp, albeit a sports car. In a more comparable market, the 2.4L MIVEC engine in a Lancer GTS has 168 hp. Though overstated with the Prius reference, the Mustang’s base engine is fairly big and clumsy. For a sports car, thats even a bit ridiculous. Sure a Ferrari costs a fair amount of money but an F430’s 4.3L pumps out 483 hp. Why does a Viper need 8.3L and 10 cylinders for a relatively low 500 hp?Again, using a better comparison, the Nissan 350Z’s 3.5L 6-cyl has 306hp and 268 ft*lbs which dominates the ’stang.

Its time to realize that the American automakers are screwing us out of well engineered cars that they could easily be making from their inefficient, stale pieces of garbage.

So the engine can go 500K miles. Now let’s make sure the rest of the driveline can keep up. And this is meaningless if the chassis has fallen apart before 100K miles.
But this is Ford, where ‘Quality is Job 1″

Actually, Plays, it’s because of the torque curve. The “There’s no replacement for displacement” means that you get a smoother and longer powerband with more displacement. Even though the Viper has more liters, it has more low-end torque and its powerband is huge. A 350Z has high HP and high torque in a smaller powerband area. So event though the Mustang uses more liters to get the job done, it means that it doesn’t need as many gears to get there. That’s the advantage of high displacement - less need for gears.

However, both you and Cracker are right in that Americans use more displacement to get less power. But now you know why. Me, I’m not partial to either thought. Both have certain pros and cons, and I just deal with both. However, I’m starting to not be as interested in high HP engines anymore, and more interested in interior fit and finish.

And Cracker, every car I have ever owned idled somewhere between 1000 and 1200 RPM. EVERY one of them. It may be different for you, but I live in a hot desert, and I run AC almost 10 months of the year. Maybe that’s why mine idle at that RPM, but I don’t think so. I’ve owned many cars from many makes, both American and Japanese, and every car I’ve ever owned idled somewhere between 1000 and 1200 RPM. So, yeah, in my experience, most cars idle at 1200 RPM. No, I’m not kidding you.

playslikepage71, an s2000 is in the same class as a pontiac soltice gxp which produces 260 HP from a 2.0 L, sounds like more from less to me 260>237

Ah dumb yanks can’t keep up with japan. You second rate. Thank for support of japan product on this site. Thank you thank you.

Ford’s newer engines are on par with Toyota. The 3.5L engine in the Taurus, Edge, and Flex puts out 265HP; Toyota, 268HP, and Honda, 271HP. Those are insignificant gaps.

The 2.3L in the Fusion, Escape, and many other vehicles puts out 160HP — 70HP/L. That compares favorably to Toyota (158HP/2.3L = 69HP/L) and isn’t far behind Honda (177HP/2.4L = 73HP/L).

I’m tempted to mention how the 2.5L in the fusion we’ll be seeing in 6 months will put out 190HP, for 76 HP/L… and of course the EcoBoost 3.5, which’ll give us 340 HP for 97 HP/L. That’ll do nicely enough for a base engine in the mustang…

BTW you close minded fanboys, the DI turboed 2.0 liter Ecoboost will have 275 hp. That’s Evo X territory. The V6 in the V6 Mustang is one of Ford’s oldest engines and will be ending it’s run this year. Either way I’m sure it gets the ’stang to 60 faster than 10.5 sec. Oh, that would be the PRIUS time…

And for those who didn’t (or couldn’t) read the whole post, they SAID they had done 500,000 miles on the bench and were going to proceed with 500,000 more on the track and in extreme climates. SO… yeah… try again.

Time to brush up on the Hooked on Phonics eh? Either that or get back to drawing pictures of dragons molesting a Camry…

^^LMAO^^

But how fast will it be with a coffee can on the back?

Hey monte, I know you might have too much crack inborn into your bloodstream to be able to sit and read a whole article, but the Solstice GXP is a turbocharged 2.0L. The 2.2L in the S2000 is naturally aspirated and a turbo would easily place it at over 300hp kthxbai

it’s still in the same class, and more for less, no matter how it gets it done