And for those who didn’t (or couldn’t) read the whole post, they SAID they had done 500,000 miles on the bench and were going to proceed with 500,000 more on the track and in extreme climates. SO… yeah… try again.

Time to brush up on the Hooked on Phonics eh? Either that or get back to drawing pictures of dragons molesting a Camry…

The 2.3L in the Fusion, Escape, and many other vehicles puts out 160HP — 70HP/L. That compares favorably to Toyota (158HP/2.3L = 69HP/L) and isn’t far behind Honda (177HP/2.4L = 73HP/L).

I’m tempted to mention how the 2.5L in the fusion we’ll be seeing in 6 months will put out 190HP, for 76 HP/L… and of course the EcoBoost 3.5, which’ll give us 340 HP for 97 HP/L. That’ll do nicely enough for a base engine in the mustang…

However, both you and Cracker are right in that Americans use more displacement to get less power. But now you know why. Me, I’m not partial to either thought. Both have certain pros and cons, and I just deal with both. However, I’m starting to not be as interested in high HP engines anymore, and more interested in interior fit and finish.

And Cracker, every car I have ever owned idled somewhere between 1000 and 1200 RPM. EVERY one of them. It may be different for you, but I live in a hot desert, and I run AC almost 10 months of the year. Maybe that’s why mine idle at that RPM, but I don’t think so. I’ve owned many cars from many makes, both American and Japanese, and every car I’ve ever owned idled somewhere between 1000 and 1200 RPM. So, yeah, in my experience, most cars idle at 1200 RPM. No, I’m not kidding you.

In almost every American car lies a powerplant with a relatively low power to displacement ratio, as compared to Japanese automakers. E.G. My ’03 Alero, as well as most GM compact cars ,has a 2.4L Ecotec piece of crap in the front. It only puts out about 140 horsepower. The S2000′s 2.2L puts out a whopping 237 hp, albeit a sports car. In a more comparable market, the 2.4L MIVEC engine in a Lancer GTS has 168 hp. Though overstated with the Prius reference, the Mustang’s base engine is fairly big and clumsy. For a sports car, thats even a bit ridiculous. Sure a Ferrari costs a fair amount of money but an F430′s 4.3L pumps out 483 hp. Why does a Viper need 8.3L and 10 cylinders for a relatively low 500 hp?Again, using a better comparison, the Nissan 350Z’s 3.5L 6-cyl has 306hp and 268 ft*lbs which dominates the ‘stang.

Its time to realize that the American automakers are screwing us out of well engineered cars that they could easily be making from their inefficient, stale pieces of garbage.

Prius pumps out more torque than a V6 Mustang (the base of the pony), but it does so at 1200 RPM. That means, right when you step on the accelerator, you get max torque. But by 2500 rpm, the torque is at around 90 lb.-ft., which is not enough to move the heavy car very quickly.

As far as horsepower goes, the Prius DOES NOT have more HP than the V6 Mustang. The new Prius WILL NOT have as much HP as the Mustang. No matter how you slice it, the “Prius has more HP than the Puny American Muscle” argument does not stand. The fact is, the Prius DOES NOT and WILL NOT have as much HP as the American muscle cars, even at the base level. And adding the max EV HP and max ICE HP together does not work, because the two powerplants hit those numbers at different RPMs.

I could go on all day about it. A Prius may have more torque at 1200 RPMs than most cars do at 5000 RPMs, but it drops off so sharply that it’s insignificant. And most people that race don’t launch at 0 RPMs (most cars idle at 1200 RPMs anyway). Instead, they launch at the beginning of their torque curve (which is why the GT-R launch control pegs it at 4400 RPM and not 1200). Therefore, while your “mighty Prius” is rapidly losing power as speed builds and RPMs rise, a Mustang is just starting to gain power.

Also, you guys are brainless turds. Once the import cars start adding turbos back into their line up, they will crush the puny three. Don’t forget that the 3000GT and Supra were pumping out 320HP and 315ft/lb torque back in 1994.

tripleonefive – there are truth-in-advertising laws that prevent companies from broadcasting a “f–king lie”. You should learn about that in 10th or 11th grade.

tyler_is_aero_tt – Yes, Lexus, Mercedes, Infiniti, and many others have V6 engines with 300+ horsepower without a turbo, but none of them have close to 340 ft-lbs of torque (G37 has 270). Plus, all require premium gas. The Ecobost is about boosting power and fuel efficiency, not producing max HP numbers. HP is great when you are hitting triple digits on the Autobahn, but I haven’t found unlimited speeds anywhere in the US. Torque is a much better figure in day-to-day US driving.

Can you backup those figures please. I can’t see where the Prius puts out more than 350hp and 350lb tq.

Ford Ecoboost:
“In fact, with an estimated 340-horsepower and more than 340 lb.-ft. of torque, the Lincoln MKS will be the most powerful and fuel-efficient all-wheel-drive luxury sedan in the market.”

Toyota Prius – Gen 3
“With the new 1.8, output’s expected to shift from today’s 75 bhp to a more rousing
100 bhp. This together with a next generation electric motor should lift combined system output from the current 110 bhp to some 160 bhp, sources predict.”

They had a commercial that featured a comparison test btw the AWD V6 Fusion vs. the CE (lowest model) Camry and said the Fusion handled better lol With AWD I should hope it would

I also went to a Volvo XC90 comparo test where there was a loaded XC90 vs. an M Class Benz and an MDX. The catch was the MDX and M Class had 14′ wheels. The MD and ML handled like shit bc the OEM equipment was altered

FOMOCO is desperate. I doubt this new Ecoboost engine will last past 100k without MAJOR problems