*Camaro outsells Mustang for another month*

“Yeah, that’s just because the Camaro is new. The sales will drop off next week and the Mustang will rise back to the top of the heap (sour grapes).”

See you all again next month.

Yeah, of course the IRS system on the Camaro platform is for comfort. When the driver’s is movement is kept to a minimum his confidence is at his highest within himself and on the cars current location in time. The platform the Camaro is built upon was produced to house many different models. The IRS is simply the way it had to be.

Hey, Auto X, if you get bored check us out! ccsportscarclub.org. If you like to travel I could neet you there on any event. October 30th’s rally is comin’ up.

Because……

with a solid rear you have about 3 things that car really go wrong.

with IRS it jumps to about 300 and that’s just not worth the headache to me. Cause if one thing goes wrong your done for the day

Plus the mustang after market following kicks the Camaro aftermarket followings Vag

The only REAL argument here is HORSEPOWER. Chevy has it and Ford doesn’t. Ford screwed up by not offering the Coyote 5liter. They pretty much nailed everything else on the Mustang but HP is where it matters. Of course the Challenger also has a lot more HP but it’s a pig and a half so we can forgetaboutit.

Throw in the Camaro’s pent up demand and it is easy to see why the Mustang has easily been outsold over the last year. GM built a pretty damn good car in the Camaro and they deserve the success they are seeing. The Mustang’s refinements were HUGE but missing that power train upgrades was just too much of a mistake.

Even with the rebates, there is no way I’m going to get a 2010 Mustang. I’m still going to wait for the 2011 GT with 5liter.

I’m not trying to trash the Camaro, I was sad to see it go and I was happy to hear Chevy was bringing it back (And other than the fact it needs to go on a serious diet I’m impressed by Chevys work). The Camaro and the Mustang go well together, and I’m glad we can watch the rivalry unfold once more.

I personally don’t mind the lack of IRS, but since so many people complain about it (Even though I’ve never had my kidneys readjusted going over a pothole, and I expect a slightly stiffer ride in a sports car… I get the idea many of you trashing the Mustang have never driven one.) I kinda wish Ford would at least offer IRS as an option just to shut people up, maybe with a special track package (I know this idea is probably unrealistic).

Oh well, both great cars.

Only time will tell if the Camaro is only selling due to pent up demand due to its lack of a few years of production OR that customers are actually buying due to its appearance and other characteristics.

It sure is hot looking.

Camaros and Mustangs are great cars…..for girls!

on the ‘stang, though, i could see forgiving the lack of IRS…for some it’s a deal breaker, but for many its not…what is a deal breaker is the new powerplant…for what a gt costs, buying one now would be foolish…i’m a ‘stang fan, too, don’t get me wrong…i would rather go ‘stang than camaro (too big)…how ’bout an ’11 ‘stang bullitt version, please?

jdasch1 so true.

A few months on the sales chart does not wipe out what Mustang is and will continue to be continuously for over 40 years, the original and best.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q3/2010_chevy_camaro_ss_vs._2010_ford_mustang_gt_2009_dodge_challenger_r_t-comparison_tests

Makes sense. Glad you nitpicked that and wasted all our time reading your sorry excuse for a post (which is par for your course).

Ok… I take some of that back. LLN has never been considered hallowed grounds.

http://www.nextautos.com/showdown-mustang-gt-infiniti-g37-and-bmw-328i-convertibles

Shocked? I’m not the only one… Read the Winding Road review that compares the ‘stang convertible to the 3 series and Infiniti: http://www.nextautos.com/showdown-mustang-gt-infiniti-g37-and-bmw-328i-convertibles

One of my local dealership is offering a 3-year lease on a new 2010 Mustang GT, i repeat, GT for $273 a month with ZERO down payment. They said it’s NOT a mistake for the payment to be that low! Im definitely gonna head down there and see what happens.

FCUK Camaro for not offering navigation!!! Wow…. talk about lost sales
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IRS is not about handling at the track, its about not getting your kidneys readjusted everytime you hit a pot hole and about stability around turns when you hit a rough patch. A solid rear axle is ludicrous.
As for navigation-you really need that in a muscle car!? How metrosexual of you.

BTW, I didn’t say this was going to happen
No, I didn’t
Nope
DrFill

If I were a millionaire and didn’t care about money, I would buy the camaro. If I was the average guy, like the people on this forum, I would be driving home in a mustang gt! The camaro is just an image to me, nothing meant to handle or do anything else but drive in a straight line!

As for the rear axle…the only real people who complain and b!tch about it are reviewers and people who don’t own it! I love the mustang for what it is! If it got turned into an independent rear setup, I would hate it!

2010 Ford Mustang: Near Enough is Not Good Enough
Posted June 18 2009 11:43 AM by Angus MacKenzie
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But the thing that annoys me most about the GT500 — about the whole 2010 Mustang range, for that matter — is the live rear axle. It’s the wrong technology, done for the wrong reasons; emblematic of the cynical “near enough is good enough” attitude from Motown management that helped drive Detroit’s automakers into a ditch.

At the launch of the S197 Mustang in late 2004, Ford countered criticism of the live rear axle — a setup last considered state of the art by the rest of the world’s automakers back in the 1970s — by claiming an independent rear end would have added thousands of dollars to the cost of the car. That would have been correct had the S197 Mustang shared elements of the heavy and expensive DEW98 platform, which underpinned the Lincoln LS, Ford Thunderbird, and Jaguar S-Type. But it’s not quite the whole story.
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Mustang chief engineer Hau Thai-Tang did a great job with the hand he’d been dealt, and the detail tweaks to the chassis for the 2010 model give the Mustang remarkable poise… for a live rear axle car. And there’s the rub: Good as it is, the 2010 Mustang could have been better.

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Now here’s the punchline: My well-placed sources say that once the noise, vibration and harshness, and driveline angle issues were solved, the S197′s live rear axle actually ended up costing Ford $98 per unit MORE than the low cost independent rear end originally developed for the car.

http://blogs.motortrend.com/6523204/auto-review/2010-ford-mustang-near-enough-is-not-good-enough/index.html

DB9;-)

PS. Curious, why y’all talking about cars all of a sudden… this is LLN right?;-))

I have a friend who owns a 2005 GTO with mods and swears if he could get the money, wants to switch the independant rear on his with a solid axel due to reliability and stability of the solid rear.

One of my local dealership is offering a 3-year lease on a new 2010 Mustang GT, i repeat, GT for $273 a month with ZERO down payment. They said it’s NOT a mistake for the payment to be that low! Im definitely gonna head down there and see what happens.

FCUK Camaro for not offering navigation!!! Wow…. talk about lost sales……

The Camaro’s interior is awful as well, and the Stangs is very much improved and make you believe you bought a real car and not just an engine and styling (which the Mustang also has).

Come 2011 the Camaro won’t tough the Mustang in terms of sales or performance figures.

You rent from HERTZ??? Why???

LLA –

You are right… They should have just put it on the DEW98 (Jaguar S-Type and XF/Lincoln LS/Ford Thunderbird) platform back in 2004 like they were going to do, but they swore it was too expensive (I think that was a cop out though) but what can you do? Old Ford was ran by a great spokesperson in Bill Ford but as his commercial saying the only car he ever needs for the rest of his life was a 2003 Mustang Convertable shows – he’s not too smart on dem cars.