I will tell you this much NMOFGM you are the one with out a Clue. I have driven GM products unlike you on the outside looking in. Have you driven a Ford Ever?? The answer let me beat you to the Punch NEVER! I have driven plenty of GM products my father owned both Ford, Mercury, Honda and “Plenty” GM as company cars ok. Guess which ones sucked and which ones did’nt. Fords and Mercurys were excellent vehicles.
But the Buicks, Ponitacs, Oldsmobiles(now a Dinosaur which should also happen to Buick and Pontiac before long), Chevy’s and they were all Crap! SO I can COMMENT YOU CAN NOT.

Buy American, Buy GM. It is your duty

And you want to bring up market share. That is why GM is now trailing Toyota. GM is slipping fast.
Ford is stabilizing their market share faster than GM. And before Long GM could be smaller than Nissan the way many americans see it. after they get back to congress with their viability plan and having to shed: GMC( Arebadged Chevy), Buick and Ponitac(Old man’s Car and completely worthless), Saturn(Bad Japanese imitation), Hummer, and SAAB( That no one wants to buy because Hummer is a gas guzzler and SAAB is a souped up VW with thin walls a death trap-if their ever was one) Let GM shop their brands their stuck with it like Ford is stuck with Volvo. But Volvo is defintely worth something. They actually have engineers that do work on safety and innovation. Unlike the Mixed bag of Garbage GM got when they bought up Hummer and SAAB.

It is a known fact that Americans would rather see GM survive than Ford? Not really. I want to see GM tank because of idiots like you. What Fact where’s your proof you have none?? This is your statement and no one else’s idiot. This is after all GM country? No its not. Its Honda, Ford, Chrysler, or any other makers country if the buyer believes they have the best vehicle when they purchased it regardless of make. (Except for GM of course)

An American Revolution

Because unfortunately that is the case in not all but many blacks that live like that. Uneducated, stupid, and childish. But if a White guy like me says that to em; then I’m a racist right. yeah. Well Obama told them. Either the black americans who did’nt listen before to white guys like me. this should at least give them some pause and something to think about. So to that end I am proud of Obama for that. Veeride you want to keep me out a woman’s Bush too like Bush eh?! Well sorry charlie. I’m goin up her skirt and in there and then I’m gonna squat down to defend that child! Its as simple as that. I may bring a swimsuit thong and may want to go swimming in there with the fetus and split a joint with “the Child”. But Just have some towels ready for me when I come back out so I can towel and dry off my butt is all.!
You like the visuals . Good. I may be conservative but when it comes to swimwear I’m as liberal as they come!

Yes Yarddog even though I did’nt vote for Obama. I hope he can do good things for a more environmentally friendly world. I want to see him mandate stringent energy reforms for americans. I am serious about a penalty for idiots that need to act tough by carting their (Sole) Dirty Ass around in a SUV just to be cool while getting 8 to 9MPG. But obviously I differ with Obama’s view on a woman’s right to choose murder ok. I don’t support it.

Ford Motor your doing better. Need for more oil you will be eating your words before long. Ford will do well and you will live to see it.

So back to cars! I am also a bit mad that FORD makes the bulk of their cars, not trucks mind you, in countries other than USA.Mexico makes the triplets (fusion, mkz, milan) canada makes the FLEX, MKT, and the crown vic and the gr.marquis…… and the new festiva will be made in mexico too! so american made cars with an * attatched to them all. I will admit i am PRO american car companies, however I would prefer them to be made here….. its not the compan as much as the jobs i want it to create!

As you yourself recognized, this isn’t a website for abortion politics. Just because you have a thought-out perspective doesn’t mean you have to respond to the knee-jerk folks. Please recognize; however, that there is another side to the to this argument. We are not a monolithic culture and you cannot marginalize those with a varying opinion, just because you view it as unenlightened. To that end, against better judgment, I’ll enter the fray for “the other side.”

Many of us are libertarians. Libertarians treat fetuses as a life because that is how the law treats them (Doctors can be sued for harm to a fetus and if you murder a pregnant woman you will be charged with the murder of TWO persons). So if fetuses have a legal status then they have rights. If they have rights then they are to be accorded the same protections as other humans, which means we are in a bit of a legal bind. How can a doctor be both civilly and criminally liable for the health of a fetus, yet abort it at the mother’s discretion? How can you charge a murderer for the deaths of the mother AND the child if the fetus is not a protected class? It is a curious legal fiction to both grant legal status to a fetus and yet deny it all at once.

As for the whole “I’m a man and I won’t tell a woman what to do with her body” defense, it fails, for me, on two accounts. First, I am neither Jewish nor a German citizen and yet I like to think I have a right to speak about the Holocaust and be against those who would foment new Holocausts (future Holocausts are, like abortion, a moral decision societies must face as a whole). Second, if a fetus is to have any rights (e.g. protection from negligent harm by doctors or intentional harm by murderers) then it is incumbent upon the rest of us to protect the fetus’ right to life at all costs-regardless of our sex. I do not believe I have any right to make a woman with an unwanted pregnancy suffer; however, it is simple “Harm Principle” that my rights end where they begin to infringe on another’s. That could be twisted to say that I have no right to infringe upon a mother’s right to abort. Yet, it also means a mother has no right to abort where it harms the life of a child (again, until we address whether it is a child or not-and currently we DO treat fetuses as children-we are stuck with fetuses being children).

You certainly do not have to accept my views, but since you replied to another poster’s political beliefs, I think you fairly opened yourself to a discussion on the subject. I think we can all agree to what Christie Todd Whitman has said about abortion. Whitman is pro-choice and to paraphrase what she says on the subject: No one likes abortion. It is a difficult decision for anyone to make.

Whitman is wise and it points to the solution. Change the nature of society. As much as it would upset social conservatives, we, as a society, could find ways to both limit unwanted pregnancies AND provide for them sans abortion (e.g. Don’t make teen girls choose school or the baby, enable more adoptions where the adoptive parents can front the costs of pregnancy, etc.).

Now, lets get back on topic . . . Ford, I’m still proud of ya’ll!

just like you.

So Ford, which i support with my 06 focus ST (bought used), and the fact my father retire from there, and my grand father also retired from there. Every company is in a bind right now, and every company is asking for money, maybe except jaguar as tata is a rich man, so no one is REALLY better than one another, so stop bitching about ford versus chrysler (who should get no money as they are owned by a bunch of guys who havent a clue about car business) versus GM. I want them all to win, even the jap brands! I would prefer that the D3 be the beneficiaries of our economy when it comes back, but people are allowed to make their choice, based on their knowledge, whether it si flawed or not. Sure I had 5 toyotas, an audi, a VW, a pontiac, an isuzu, a few foci. an escort and a festiva (actually a fun lil car). SO I have owned alot of cars, oh a Saab too!
point is us (we commenting mad men) we buy how many cars a year? a hundred or less, and we are not the general buying public, so think about some of those things when commenting. i mean, yeah, i think chrysler makes friggin ugly cars, and GM has a few lame ducks as well. $hit, ford has got to work harder too, although I like the stuff coming down the pipe line, but this is AMERICA home of the FREE (thinkers) or is it FREE(as far as you know), and the brave, so If some one wants to truck down the stret in a sebring or a HHR let them enjoy it! I just want the mondeo to come here a the MERKUR scorpio, (remember that brand?) Ford was ahead of the game, and just didnt follow through,….. I have many opinons, but i will save them for later!
LLN is my CRACK!

Clinton Administration- Instead of destroying communism like Reagan did with Europe, Clinton provided China with the US’s most favored nation for trading. This caused China to balloon in financial stature. They need oil to grow.

Our Congress- they have consistently and idiotically refused to allow our domestic oil companies to provide jobs to Americans by drilling and building refineries. Imagine how many American jobs would be created if we were world supplier of oil and gasoline. You guys care about jobs in the United States don’t you? There’s more out there than the D3 hurting.

OPEC- For some reason the US has not forced its way into this organization. I mean we provide security for the regions affected. Shouldn’t we have a say.

Taxes and Additives- These items greatly increase the price at the pump. Your taxes go into the pocket of a farming corporation to provide farm subsidies to not grow corn to be refined into ethanol. Which in turn is federally mandated to be mixed with gasoline. Which in turn destroys engines. Ask a boater how he feels about ethanol.

THESE ARE THE REASONS THE PRICE OF PETROLEUM FUEL COST SO MUCH. THIS IS THE PEBBLE THAT STARTED THE ECONOMIC LANDSLIDE THAT WE’RE IN.

So who’s bankruptcy replying to?

I think we’ve skipped the coffee in the morning.

Wow, and no talk about the superbowl. NMOFGM should go watch the news about that if he wants to be so patriotic, and leave us a lone.

Is it just me, or are we all a bit moody about this new nearly trillion dollar stimulus package? It’s been referenced a couple of times in the past few posts….

bankruptcy09- Just wanted to mention that about 40% of Brazils vehicles run on locally produced ethanol. That’s important because they’ve had readily available vehicles for years now. Same with Australia, just that some of their recent vehicles being imported to the U.S. have put them on the map.

And that’s not why Europe experienced 18$ per gallon of gas. Nearly half of that was taxes. Also Europe is much tighter on refining. Think of it as premium+ gas with a couple dollars of tax before it gets to the pump, and then an extra tax at the pump.

In the end, it comes down to about 7-10$. Yeah, that’s a lot. But it’s been that way for years now, even in some ways before this oil crisis started.

All politics aside, I don’t care, all I care about is who is going to help me make more money. Conservative’s Liberal’s, I don’t care. My political view is how mush green am I going to make. When I was at Ford, sale where grate. You had people walking in putting down $10K, $25K, and even paying cash for cars and trucks. They all just re-fi their homes and had cash to burn, so I took it. I can only say thank you Mr. Bush for home financing business. Gas got high I can only hate Mr. Bush for killing my sells, especially because I’m in fleet sales, it just killed us.

Today we live in Obama Nation, and if he can get the money machine moving again I’m all for it.
You wanna take side’s go for it, I’m going for the green. That is what put food on my table, that is what keeps a roof over my family’s head, that is what everyone needs in the times we are in…

Ya, ya, ya I know “Money can’t buy happiness”, but it dose give you peace of mind…

One is emissions. And I don’t care to take up either side of the global warming debate. But you’d have to admit it does cause pollution at the very least.

But not the least of which is the major problem.

The major issue here is the cost of fuel and its accessibility. ANd logic would dictate that their is only so much oil in the earths Crust that can be viably retrieved with modern methods of extraction. Do you comprehend this? Good. If not take a class in how much money is involved in retrieving it. Its not cheap. And the fact that Oil Wells in Both Texas and Pennsylvania dried up years ago. For the Most part.

Now you take into consideration that all of the developing nations of the world use Oil. China use to be a agarian society only a few short years ago and got around on bicycles now its cars. Sir they have 6 times r population and India which sits right next door I can almost same ditto on both counts of going industrialized and having to support a population 4 times that of the United states. Not including South America or Austalia. All of these countried did not use Oil going back just a few short years.

Now if take how these all of the nations of the world have exponentially use the IE engine whether diesel of not is not relevant. But what is the fact is the usage and availability is getting much more limited.
This is why Europe experienced almost $20 a gallon in gas. And this why cheap gasoline and diesel will not be around for very long.
True Oil has helped us to this point. However, its an old idea over used and we either get off the Pot and do something now or this will be a serious problem before long.

I am happy to see Toyota, and Honda taking the leadership in environmentally cars and that is because they are using their brain. I am an American. I give the detroit three for at least now coming out with more environmentally vehicles but they are behind the leaders as I just mentioned.

I think Ford is doing the right thing by not putting their eggs all in one basket. I commend them on coming Stingy Gas wringing Ecoboost IE Engines and soon to be released Electric, Plug-In Electric, Hybrid, and Hydrogen powered Vehicles. That is a step in the right direction.

Sure bud…
Back in the day when Ford Motor Co. was born, Henry Ford was one of the mayor players in the Bank Business. “CHASE MANHATTAN BANK” helped Henry Ford with the finances of his new company. And then BOOM! The Model T was born. It was the 1st car that was ever that could be finance by… Chase Manhattan Bank. The years go buy and Ford Motor Credit was born, backed by “Chase” so in a orgy of a business deal, Ford own a part of Chase and Case own a part of Ford Motor Credit.

If you ever buy any Ford Family Vehicle (Lincoln, Mazda, Volvo) and finace with Ford Credit, most likely you will get approval for a Chase credit card, just because…

BIG OIL….
Back in the day when the Iran oil crisis “Big Oil” Exxon & Unical the big players at the time needed international bank relations to secure oil production with, Kuwait and Dubai, and guess who was a big player in the Banking Business over in that region of the world, Chase…

Mr. Bush…
The Big Bail Out of Wall Street, who were the 1st banks that got cash fast? AIG, Chase, and a hand full of smaller banks. Why do you think it was so mush of a priority? Because thesis banks hold and move the money for most of Big Oil. And the Bush family own stock in most of the U.S. oil company’s. Remember 2 years ago when the head CEO of Exxon was making $1.3 Billion a year, ya a Billion, and gas was starting to creep up to $4.00 bucks…

Now you may ask for my prof. Well I was working as a Finance Manager at a Ford dealer, in a dealer meet they told us the story of Ford Motor Credit, and how Chase Manhattan Bank was with Ford from day one. Ford and Chase are still together…

Big Oil and the Iran oil crisis, well remember it killed the Muscle car back in the mid 70′s, and Chase them self’s say the help big oil at the time, and they still hold and move the money for them…

And Mr. Bush, well it’s now secret that his family are big player in the Oil Business, and it was the New York times that shade light on what Banks got the bail-out cash 1st, and why.

So that’s why Ford is in good hands, Bush gave Chase cash, Ford can get cash form Chase, no B.S. politics, it just dum luck that worked out in Ford’s favor…

Sorry everyone- he’s just so far gone that it irks me sometimes. I wish he would wrap himself as well as one of his GM cars around a tree…

you sound like a moron.

Bush isn’t exactly my hero. His stance on Medicare disgusted me, his communication with the American people about the war is dismal, and his lack of spine on driving through Social Security and Energy policy (He tried several times to open up drilling for oil in the US) reform repeatedly infuriated me.

Furthermore, I’d like to be enlightened as why Big Oil is so evil. The product that they supply makes the cars, trains, and planes go. Without that, we’d be a third world nation. You probably wouldn’t have the computer to post on without petroleum fuel having some hand in the process. They’re not allowed by Congress to produce their product, so they broker it. Which in turn drives up prices, which in turns raises prices on everything, which in turn destroys companies…oops…I’m going too far.

I’d also like to be enlightened as to why the concept, no the law of economics, SUPPLY and DEMAND, is never attached to arguments about the evil industry of Big Oil.

Please enlighten me, Yarddog.

I am not buying any American car anytime soon.
I respect my hard earned money to trash it on a piece of C R A P American car.

Remember Ford is coming back and so is Chrysler. GM I don’t know if they will.
All you need to Remember is Ford- Found-On the-Road to-Domination

>>>”CHASE MANHATTAN BANK”<<$31 BILLION< FROM FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT GEORG W. BUSH…
“The bank Is closely associated with and has financed the oil industry, having longstanding connections with its board directors to the successor companies of Standard Oil, especially Exxon Mobil.”

EXXON MOBIL, & UNICAL LARGE STOCK HOLDERS, YES YOU GOT IT THE BUSH FAMILY…

SO UNLIKE GMAC THAT WAS LOOKING TO BE A TRUSTY BANK, “CHASE” WELL…

SO SOME ONE “NEEDS” TO KNOW THE FACTS BEFORE THEY GO OFF AND SOUND MORE STUPID…

90% of the posters on this forum were shocked and confused when we read that Ford was mortgaging, well, everything. There were lots of dire predictions about Ford’s imminent demise. Then last October we all realized that Ford was acting almost prescient when they bet the farm. Now we’re all going to, I’m sure, wonder whether Ford’s bold gamble can help them outlast the downturn turned recession turned . . . well, hopefully we’ll stop with recession. One thing is for sure, aside from 1115 and NMOFGM’s worthlessness, none of us are as infallible in our projections as we think we are. To that end, lets give Ford a chance on this one. Surviving this far without a government bailout (even the healthiest of players in the auto industry are getting them) is an impressive feat!

Everyone would rather see GM survive than F or C

I really don’t expect LLN writers to be up on that type of stuff, or writers at any blog.

Buy American, Buy GM