God forbid Ford actually made a cool version of the Mustang. Let’s stick to V6’s, slow @$$ GT’s, and over-rated, over-priced saleens, roush’s and shelby’s.

What would have been a true competitor to the GM LS series is now dead - horrible! If Mustang soldiers on with the 4.6 MOD motor its doomed - eco-boost will not work for the Mustang Market

Priorities, gentlemen, priorities.

Cash is in short supply at Ford so they need to spend it where it will get the most return. Amusing the 47 remaining idiots who want to gun it at $4.25/gallon will not provide a good return on this investment.

I’m tired of hearing about the same old $4 a gallon gas excuse. If I get a car like this it’s because I can afford it. These are limited cars anyway. If I want an econobox, then that’s what I’ll get. Quit using gas prices as an excuse for EVERYONE. I have an economy car, I don’t need another.

Hemi, as I said, you and your 46 friends are not a good investment of Ford’s cash. Besides, you already said time after time after time after time that you are buying something else, so basically you dont matter to Ford; Ford’s money matters to Ford and hence they are reevaluating their investments.

I ca afford this $hit too, but unlike you I don’t freakin demand that automakers build crap to my tastes. They build what they build based upon their determination of the most financially effective use of their resources, and I buy it if they offer something I desire. Otherwise I drive what I have, but I don’t become a whiny-assed self-centered prick bitching because you can’t get a 6.2 liter V8. If you don’t want another economy car, don’t buy one. Easy as that.

Well I guess you’re talking about the Challenger, and you’re right. But there are more than “47″ of us that will buy something like this. That’s exactly why the big three are in the state their in, they don’t build anything different. They build the same boring, cookie cutter milf mobiles. They don’t dare to stray from the boring, mundane, commuter/family cars. They don’t try to build new era muscle cars, alternative energy cars, or just a new idea in general. They just now decide to bring back the Challenger and Camaro, right when everyone is ready to complain about them. It’s not hard, cost innefficient. or a bad idea to OFFER a 6.2 in this car. People will buy it, the big three just don’t want to take a chance because of their archaic management.

Hemi, in which “vehicle for the masses” (meaning non-exotic or high-end car) are the large motors currently being bought in large volumes to make their continued development financially viable? You say people will buy it, but the market is probably saying otherwise, and when resources are scarce Ford will probably bet on what the market is saying. Wouldn’t you?

Archaic management is what previousy neglected small-engine development in pursuit of the 6.2 liters despite what the market said. I’m glad to see Ford management finally making some good choices.

Am I talking about trucks or SUV’s? No. I’m talking about OFFERING this engine in a Mustang and calling it a Boss. Period. Yes, archaic managment has lead to NO NEW IDEAS. Whether it’s a new muscle car, exotic, alternative fuel, whatever, they build cars that are so-so to avoid the shock factor that may make them automotive geniouses or complete jack@$$’s. They take NO chances whatsoever. This car would not be a mainstream car, muscle cars never were for the majority. But don’t tell me what I can and can’t drive. There will be plenty of fuel efficient or alternative fuel cars here in no time, people just have no patience. If you don’t like gas prices, buy a more efficient car. If you want something fun to drive, buy this thing. But don’t silence my voice just because YOU don’t think this is a good idea.

This story could have mentioned the new Camaro. But no….

Whoops! The story DID mention the new Camaro. Looking forward to several more mentions today of the new Camaro.

Aww no Big Boss 5.0 Mustang??? That’s sad. Just when it looked like there was a shot of hope that too got shot down. Well I think Ford needs to bring back this engine for the Mustang. Maybe not soo much its trucks but the 5.0 would make a great revival for the next gen Mustang. Ford does have the 5.4L V8 that was used in the Ford GT, and current Mustang GT500. I wonder what kind of power that would put out normally aspirated? To me that would probably be the logical choice for a base V8 engine.

The flaw in your argument mayer_ray is that Ford hasn’t exactly been shoveling great ammounts of cash into any engine R&D. Or perhaps that statement would be better phrased by saying at least it doesn’t show. Nothing in their repertoire screams industry leading technology whether it be large or small. That said, if they are serious about playing with the big boys- Challenger and Camaro- then HemiR is right, they need this to show they’re serious.

Hemi, Ford is not telling you what you can and can not drive. They are allocating their resources to where they get the best return (in their opinion). If you want a 6.2 Boss and they don’t offer it, you have choices:

1) Build one yourself, or
2) Don’t buy a Ford Product.

That’s not telling you what you can not drive; it just telling you that you do not belong to a profitable market segment at the moment, but hey, if you do, then get some venture capitalists in a room and present your business case for offering Mustang engine mods/replacements for the market that you are so sure exists and see what they say. I wish you the best of luck in that endeavor, really!

Johnny, maybe Ford is no longer about “playing” with the big boys out in the drag-race sandbox, but rather about trying to survive by developing stuff that sells. Playing for survival usually takes precedence over playing for quarter-mile times.

Ok dude, try and listen to this. Ford is not TAKING A CHANCE by producing this thing. How do they know it wouldn’t sell? They sold out of ‘08 Challengers. They have OLD, BORING management. Saleens sell. Shelby’s sell. Why wouldn’t this? It’s not like all mustangs will have this engine, just a select few for, hmmm guess what, a select few of us. And by a select few, I mean 20 thousand or so, if not more. If Ford can’t make money on that, then at least they can walk away saying they’ve tried it. But don’t be afarid to try something NEW when everything else you’ve done has failed.

You can get a 500 hp Mustang at your dealer right now. For about $2100, you can improve that to over 600 hp at the rear wheels. Why develop yet another gas hog when you sorely lack small economical motors?

Hemi, you can buy a Stang and separately buy the motor and drivetrain you want. Then shoehorn the motor and drivetrain into the Stang and dragrace till the cows come home.

As I said, Ford is resource-strapped and needs to allocate their capital to where they think they will get the best return. You might be right in that this could make some money, but consider this: if you have a limited lump of coin and have a choice between investing it in Option A which has a 60% chance of returning 40% on the investment, or Option B which has an 80% chance of returning 150% on the investment, where are you going to put your money?

If you choose Option A because that would be more fun, then that is great for you, but Ford management, particularly now, is compelled to choose Option B because it has a higher likelihood of producing a better return on the capital to which they are entrusted. Business is not simply about trying to make money; it is about trying to make the most money, particularly when their supply of money is limited.

Like I said, you can build one yourself, you can go to venture capitalists and present your case for offering conversion kits, or you can even get a job at Ford and climb the ladder with your business acumen by showing how they can build this car with a 100% chance of a 800% return, but unless you do one of those three then all you are really doing is expressing dismay that you might not have a plethora of new Mustangs do dragrace your Challenger against. I would prefer that Ford build what you want also, but I understand their decision in the current market environment.

Except mayer_ray that the Mustang is their icon, perhaps even halo car, and has had the game all to themselves for quite some time now. That’s just changed- big time. You are absolutely right in that the money would be better spent in other areas. I’d like to think, however, that down the road there would still be something left in their arsenal that buyers can aspire to that is distinctly Ford. Sure it may just be about bragging rights, but that’s something Ford definitely needs right now. It’s pretty hard to get excited about a Flex.

Johnny, by doing things like this Ford may be able to recreate an arsenal to offer something that is distinctly Ford.

Still, I’d rather that Ford survives the next 20 years that look at a Mustang Icon on their headstone.

Why is it so hard for people to understand what your viewpoints are on here? First of all, I’m not saying they should add more “gas guzzling hogs” or whatever you call them. They aren’t adding another car retard, they’re adding a new drivetrain, which would cut into other MODEL sales of the SAME car. I do want automakers to come up with NEW technology including alternative fuels. But why miss out on a chance to make a killer Boss version of the new Mustang? If they try it and it doesn’t sell, well at least they tried and know they know. But at least offer and and see what kind of results you get. It worked for the Challenger SRT, so I’m sure there are plenty of Ford fans that wouldn’t mind owning a Boss IN ADDITION to a fuel efficient vehicle. That’s the problem with the management at Ford and GM, they think like the people on here, thinking they know everything including what will and won’t sell. It’s a motor swap for Ford on the assembly line, why not give it a shot. I bet if this was an Audi, or Ferrari, or Lambo, or anything euro or asian everyone on here wouldn’t be bringing up gas prices. I don’t even like Ford, but I do like their heritage.

Why the hell are you thinking by offering a 6.2 in a Mustang that Ford won’t last 20 years? Are you retarded? They can produce fuel efficient/alternative fuel vehicles IN ADDITION to a 6.2 liter Boss Mustang. Or do ALL their cars have to be the same?

Build it yourself, Hemi. If it’s an off the shelf car and off the shelf motor/drivetrain then it should be easy, right?

Zero development costs, right?

Nothing but pure profit, right?

The engine’s already devoloped. They aren’t making 2 of them, they’re making 20,000 or more of them. What are you an analyst for Ford or something? What the hell is your problem that you think it is an absolute disaster to OFFER (key word here) a 6.2 in a Boss version of the Mustang? I want you to answer that or don’t post. Why can they not OFFER that engine IN ADDITION (2 key words there) to producing more FUEL EFFICIENT/ALTERNATIVE FUEL vehicles? Did you understand that time? HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WON’T SELL? Are you a psychic, or justy somebody looking for a purpose? Here’s an idea, why doesn’t Ford axe the CEO’s and other greedy management’s bonuses, extra’s whatever, until they start making money instead of blaming it on a car that hasn’t even been tried yet? It’s an idea, try it. IF IT DOESN’T WORK THAN KNOW YOU KNOW, DOESN’T MEAN YOU DON’T CONTINUE O INVEST IN HYBRIDS/ALTERNATIVES/WHATEVER. How the hell can I make it any simpler.

I failed to imagine that the decades old war between Ford and Chevy would come down to who can build the ugliest car…..

I agree with Hemi on this one, the Mustang needs an edge if it is going to sell over the likes of Camaro and Challenger. The Challengers sold out already and the Camaros are being hyped like high school drama so for Ford not to realize that there is a market segment they are missing or going to miss is just careless. What the Mustang really needs to be honest is an updated platform, the current one is ancient. Right now the ultimate performance buyer for a Mustang would waltz down to his local Ford dealer and purchase a new GT500 right? WRONG! The GT500 pales in comparison to the Roush Stage 3 or even Stage 2 if were talking about cornering. 500 horsepower is great but a curb weight of almost 4000 pounds is not, the GT500 is a pushover to say the least. Did you know that the suspension you get on the very cheapest Mustang is the same suspension on the GT500? Why give a car so many goodies and not be able to put that power to the ground? Ford needs a new Mustang and anyone who cannot notice that is blinder than bat.

Hemi, I am no more “psychic” than you or anyone here. I would imagine Ford’s analysts are a bit more informed than either of us, and they and Ford management made a business decision.

What you guys are doing is the same as complaining that Proctor and Gamble doesn’t offer a Crest Toothpaste/Duracell Battery Bundle Pack. I mean, why not, P&G makes both, and all they gotta do is shrink wrap the two together and the 20,000 people in the USA who shop for Crest Tootepaste and Duracell batteries will get what they want! “How does P&G know there is not pent up demand for this bundle pack?”

It’s simple, Hemi. Ford doesn’t need to offer you every single mechanical combination possible. Surely they could bolt any of 20 transmissions to any of 20 motors and offer every buyer 400 combinations but they don’t for a reason. It also frustrates me that I can’t get a stick in most V6 sedans or coupes anymore unless I buy a BMW of questionable reliability, but businesses analyze things and do what they decide. If you have a better idea, by all means pursue it and make billions or present it to venture capitalists or better yet go to Ford and show your smarts. Be sure to pull up in that shiny new Challenger so they can see ther depth of your commitment to Ford’s economic well-being.

Your right they don’t have to offer me every engine combo there is on the planet. But when they OFFER it and have the tools, equipment and money to build it, don’t puss out and say, “Oh, nevermind that MIGHT not have worked”. It isn’t the same as your toothbrush/battery comparison. This is a car with an available engine, not one of these ” I wish they made it”. They say they will, so do it already and stop talking. Instead they play the conservative role and offer us more boring family sedans and underpowerd “sports” cars. Take a chance and go out on a limb. Their analysts aren’t that great from the looks of their sales figures, so why even bring them up. How about using my comparison while you brush your teeth with your battery/toothpaste combo: It would be like offering the F-150 with a gas engine, BUT, no available F-350 with a Diesel. Now does that make sense to you. The whole point I’m getting at is Ford has no balls and won’t try something new, and then people on here think they know it all because they know how much gas prices are at the moment. Look at it like this, it wouldn’t be the first disaster to hit Ford. I guess we all have to be forced to choose between a so-so fun car, boring @$$ economy car, or a stupid looking truck/suv/crossover. Yeah, that’s diversifying your line-up! Maybe you should go work for Ford!

By the way, I’m not trying to bash Mayer Ray Nagin, not the mayor on here anyway, but simply point out these companies have room for economy cars, alternatives, trucks, muscle, family cars etc in their line-ups if they just gt their $H!T straight and didn’t try to make ALL their cars accomplish just one goal. I know about the CAFE regulations, BS plain and simple. Who the hell is the gov’t to decide what car companies build, they aren’t building 6 mpg cars by the millions, so why mess with them. They should have gone after the greedy oil companies but that just shows how backwards our gov’t is, the oil companies pay them more, therefore the gv’t leaves them alone.

Agreed, Hemi. I’m not bashing you either.

If anyone is telling you what you should buy its the damn politicians with their BS laws. Ford is really just reacting to the environment. In a perfect world you’d have the engine you want in this and I would admire it, but politicians come along and screw up the world for us all.

Hemi, you pointed out something between the lines, and I think there’s a good way to sum it up. Here’s what you said:

“That’s the problem with the management at Ford and GM, they think like the people on here, thinking they know everything including what will and won’t sell. It’s a motor swap for Ford on the assembly line, why not give it a shot. I bet if this was an Audi, or Ferrari, or Lambo, or anything euro or asian everyone on here wouldn’t be bringing up gas prices. I don’t even like Ford, but I do like their heritage.”

Drop the gas prices issue, because for Hemi, it’s not about gas prices. I actually agree with him in that the Big 3 seem to not want to take risks. In an interview with one of the designers of the GT-R, the guy stated that it was expensive to build the car, and they are selling it at a loss. The reason for this is that some of the technology will trickle over to other vehicles, and people will hopefully purchase other Nissan cars because they like the GT-R. Hmm… Risky, but Halo effect comes to mind…

Ford has become safe. Many of the American auto makers have become safe. Chrysler at least took some design risks with the PT Cruiser and the Prowler. Those things started the retro trend that Chevy copied with the HHR, but before that, no one wanted to do anything with style. And now, Chrysler is trying to be safe again, with the exception of the Challenger.

European car companies seem to see the cars as art. They make risky designs, crazy interiors, new genres, strange placement of things. Some of it works, some of it doesn’t. But they seem to enjoy designing cars, and they do it with style.

Japanese car companies seem to see cars as advances in technology. They do little electronic gadgets that help you see, help you drive, let you watch TV, let you monitor the wind pressure that your left-rear fender is feeling at the exact moment. They try to get the most out of the smallest engine, and try to get crazy cameras and TVs everywhere. They build really drastic people mover concepts that transform into houses, tents, elevators and napkin holders. To them, it’s about technology and convenience.

American car companies seem to see cars as a market segment. If the segment is big enough, let’s try to make something that the segment will buy. They find focus groups to see what kind of features would the buyers want. I know the quality of the vehicles that we make is pretty much on par with everyone else, but they just don’t have character and innovation, and when they do, it’s pricey. With the exception of Chrysler and a few cars made by other US manufacturers, the American auto makers don’t want to risk that the car won’t sell.

What they should do is MAKE the Boss, and then make an EV version of the Mustang, or something crazy like that. I’m willing to bet that both will sell just fine.

At the same time, though, I understand you, Mayer Ray. Ford is having trouble, and I’d like to see them around for a long time. But the trouble they are having is because they just didn’t innovate when they should have. Now, they are kicking themselves. Well, rather than kicking yourself, Ford, get to work and start innovating. Make a conversation vehicle minivan, one with the second row of seats facing the third row. Make a single-person car for commuters. Let’s get out of the box and make stuff that OTHER people copy. It used to be that way. Americans used to be the innovators that everyone else copied, and now we are the ones trying to catch up. Let’s get ahead.

i love ford but if you cant spread the motor across the lineand have it to be fuel effiecnt it should not be made …you guys are smart try another way and do it quick (ecoboost)…anyone