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  • Ford speaks out on government ownership of Chrysler, GM

    By Drew Johnson

    Ford has been relatively quiet on the topic of bankruptcy over the last few weeks, but General Motors’ recent Chapter 11 filing has the Blue Oval finally speaking out. Although Ford was the only of the Big Three able to sidestep bankruptcy in recent weeks, some top Ford executives are concerned that that seeming advantage could quickly turn into a market disadvantage.
    Ford’s biggest concern stems from Chrysler and General Motors now being partially government owned. “The reality is, if you’re competing against a company that’s majority owned by the U.S. government, that does raise certain concerns about what the competitive dynamic will be for the industry,” Ford spokesman Mark Truby told Automotive News. “So we’re hoping we can work with the administration and the task force to be heard on those issues as this progresses.”

    Since the economic fallout of 2008, the federal government has granted GMAC – the lending arm of both Chrysler and GM – bank holding status. That, in tandem with billions in taxpayer dollars, has allowed GMAC to lower its cost of capital. Meanwhile, Ford Credit is still waiting to hear back from the government on its 2006 request to become a bank holding company, all the while paying much higher interest rates.

    The Blue Oval is also concerned that the billions loaned the Chrysler and General Motors could impact the retail market in the short-term. Ford believes both automakers are using their emergency bailout funds to offer higher incentives to customers, thereby taking away sales from Ford dealers.

    Although Ford posted some better-than-expected sales figures for the month of May, it does seem as though the company could be at a disadvantage for not filing for bankruptcy. Unless the federal government can find a way to level the playing field for all of the Big Three, it appears as though Ford could be at a significant disadvantage in the near term.

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      Borat421 days ago

      Why file Chapter 11 if you have funds to operate? The truth is Ford may not have enough cash to sustain operations. In next quarterly we will see what left on hand out original 23 billions. We may have all 3 going through Chapter 11, but Ford controlled by Ford foundation, certainly will be in disadvantage then, or actually foundation. I am sure that is major reason Ford did not file already.

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      keldon421 days ago

      Ford will be fine. They already have, or will soon have, enough good cars to be very competitive. With the exception of a few aging turds (Escape, Explorer, Ranger), their product line is pretty darn good. Their upcoming Taurus should regain its #1selling sedan ranking in a year or two. GM on the other hand is still pushing tired old crap like the Impala.

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      JakeK66421 days ago

      I really don’t know anymore, this was talked about a year ago, when the first talk of bankruptcy happened. What was being said is that if one of the three went into bankruptcy, it would casue the other two to follow due to the one’s competitive advantage – liquidating their “bad” parts. I don’t think Ford will file, I do think they have a very honest beef with the government with what deserves some sort of tax incentives or something to make right. This was the reason why I thought the governement should have ever given anyone any money.

      Ford isn’t setup the way GM was in that it has to shed “bad” brands, Mercury isn’t much of a liabiluity as it doesn’t have the model lineup that Pontiac possessed – it’s nothing more than rebadges so it’s not costing them more as where Pontiac had complete model lines not related to other NA GM brands. They had already shed the brands years ago – and Volvo is the last one standing.

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      Dr. Lincoln421 days ago

      Can someone please translate what Borat is trying to say. Ford can compete with Chairman Obama, we now have folks who can’t run the country gearing up to run some of the largest industries in the world.

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      pavlindrom421 days ago

      @Dr. Lincoln: Well said, sir.

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      Dwide Schrude421 days ago

      I understand Ford’s concern with the governments intervention. How can a strong company continue to improve upon itself while everyone is worried about propping up the weak ones?

      I don’t understand anyone who believes the government did anyone of us right by bailing out these companies. It will hurt the market short-term and into the long as well.

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      johnnycanuck421 days ago

      This becomes more and more like real life every day. I’m not implying that the BK buddies broke the law or anything but why is it the guilty parties seem to have more rights than the victims?

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      DrFill421 days ago

      Keldon
      You need a basket
      Because you’re a basket case

      Ford has very few competitive products, at least compared to companies like GM
      They need to worry about competiting dynamically with the market, before worrying about how much money to throw on the hood

      The next Taurus wil compete with cars like the Passat and Maxima, not Camry and Accord
      The F-150 is still a year from being truly competitive
      Ranger and no minivan show true failure
      Escape and Focus haven’t improved in almost 10 years

      Ford has a lot of work to do
      But don’t they always?
      DrFill

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      Borat421 days ago

      Dr. Lincoln, please be advised by Dr. Fill.

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      AFSOCSARGE421 days ago

      Let’s be honest Ford while I applaud Ford and give them credit for a job well done and are set up with Great products now and coming in the near future. The truth is the were in trouble 5 years ago and reorganized nearly 4 years ago. They beat the huge Fuel Price Increase and America’s Current Near Depression they also beat The World Economic Tsunami and were better prepared when things went bad.
      Please Listen:
      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5775334

      Ford Co. CEO Steps Down Amid Record Losses

      Day to Day, September 6, 2006 · Bill Ford has stepped down as president and CEO of Ford Motor Co., the car manufacturing giant founded by Ford’s great-grandfather. The giant car manufacturer has struggled through a period of slipping profits and shrinking market share.

      Jean Jennings, editor-in-chief of Automobile Magazine, talks with Madeleine Brand about the implications of the move.

      So before everyone has knee jerk conclusions the truth is Ford was in Dire-Straights before The economy went bad and Fuel Prices Sky Rocketed. They reorganized in a much easier economic climate. I find it quite disturbing that it is so easy for Americans refuse to by a product because the President Of The United States refused to let over a Million of Your Fellow Americans to loose their jobs, because of Greedy/Dumb CEO’s and Management. Yes GM made a huge mistake by dropping the GEO Line and having Twice as many Domestic Car Lines than made sense it todays Automotive World. Chrysler was Raped by Mercedes because of a move made by a greedy Board Of Directors.

      -Sarge

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      gizmo2421 days ago

      Can some explain to me how the number one selling truck is a year from being competitive. Come on Dr Fill you are a GM Fan right? Why is the New Malibu not out selling the Fusion and I could go on. If you don’t like Ford it’s OK but don’t try to use incorrect facts to make your point.

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      carstuff421 days ago

      Keldon, I do not get this strong Ford product lineup vs some junk GM lineup.

      Looking at April top 10 retail sales Impala (which is very old and sorta replaced by excellent Malibu) was number 9 with 17,500 sales. The Malibu sold almost 15,000 for spot 10. Chevy also had number 3 spot with Silverado (26k). So Chevy had 3 in the top ten retail sales. And GM had the GMC PU’s not included in the above.

      Ford had number 2nd place F series with 29,000 and Fusion with 18,000 sales.

      Very soon the OLD Cobalt will be replaced by the Cruze which has been getting excellent reviews overseas where it is already on sale.

      In looking at all of GM’s “new” GM vehicles there is not really another dog in the bunch except for the Aveo which is a subcompact and sales of ANY sub compact are very low. STS/DTS are old and hopefully replaced but Ford does not really have much to even compete in those segments. But every other vehicle, I believe, are very competitive.

      I just do not get your analysis.

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      carstuff421 days ago

      GM made a mistake by dropping the GEO line??? The last tracker was built 5 years ago amid dismal sales and cheap gas. They were not exactly high quality vehicles.

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      JakeK66421 days ago

      That’s the nature of the business, AFSOCSARGE, they are in it to make money, people lose jobs, companies are created from the remains of another and life goes on. The government is NOT there to save and own a company to save jobs, it is instead there to assist in efforts to liquidate a company and those who buy their remains. You don’t think the profitable parts of GM would still be around if they never got money from the government?

      Companies are created to make a profit and when they don’t, they fail, whether it be market postioning or poor product planning. It’s like a war, you don’t plan it right, you lose and it’s everyone who is under that general’s control that loses. Companies grow and prosper by trying to become more profitable – that’s how job’s are created, that’s how GM became so large.

      ~Greed is Good~

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      Road_AMS421 days ago

      DrFill I think we’d all really like to know where your rationale comes from? Taurus can’t compete with the Camry or Accord? The Camry is a bubbly piece of garbage with interior plastics akin from your mother’s Rubbermaid collection. While the accord is a nice vehicle, it lacks style and overall appeal.

      Your F-150 comment is the best, though. Not competitive until next year? It has continued to be the best truck from any manufacturer for generations. It has been the USA’s bestselling vehicle for 23 years in a row.

      I won’t comment on the Ranger, but it still sells. Pretty well at that…

      There is no doubt that Ford has a long road ahead, but not competitive?

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      saabaru1421 days ago

      “The competitor to be feared is one who never bothers about you at all, but goes on making his own business better all the time. ”
      -Henry Ford
      Stick to your game plan Bill, and listen to Grandpa’s advice. Sure, you are getting raped by our own government, but asking for concessions is only going to get you knocked up too. Keep your distance, or find a big rubber.

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      loudpedal421 days ago

      I think the lack of government interference, err… help will turn out to be an advantage to Ford. I can see a day coming soon when GM is forced into making a bunch of cars the majority of American buyers don’t really want. In my experience, government intervention only makes things worse, not better. The federal government itself is a bloated, uncompetitive organization. I think Ford will be able to react quicker and make more cars that people actually want to buy.

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      Borat421 days ago

      F150 is not as refined as RAM; it sells less then Chevy+GMC.
      Perhaps I live in a democratic part of the country, but new Taurus is rarity on the road; not quite Lambo, but less often seen then BMW 3 series. Competing with either Camry or Accord is out of question and Altima and Sonata outsell Taurus. BTW< it was 500 only year and a half ago and was renamed back to help sales.
      Smaller cars? I see few Milans, but realistically more Hyundais.

      Ford has huge accounts with government(s) state and federal and big corporate sales. Can they survive on those? No, that is why Ford “importing” European model. And it takes Ford to “import” longer then for Honda and Toyota to build form scratch.

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      AFSOCSARGE421 days ago

      GM made a mistake by dropping the GEO line???

      Yes it was a mistake that entire auto line had and average of 40 MPG plus, true Gas was cheap and it was low profit but it was an Entry/Economy line anyway. The problem was they transfered production to More Full size SUV. They had Chevy,Olds,Pontiac,Buick,GMC,SATURN and SAAB in the State side Auto Market many more Car Lines during that point in time they should have. During those years cutting Olds and GMC, would have been a Smart Move. Having Chevy take over the complete Truck Division while keeping GEO as pure Economy vehicles with small production numbers. If the GEO Line was still active GM would have made a Killing ! Quality well GM never really pushed quality and The GEO Prism was a Toyota Correct?

      -Sarge

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      Road_AMS421 days ago

      Borat, I’m not even going to dignify your “not as refined as RAM” response with an answer. Why would a NEW Taurus model competing with Accord and Camry be out of the question? You import fanboys make me sick. You and DrFill have GOT to be sleeping with each other. Next time tell him to have the common courtesy to give you a reach-around.

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      saabaru1421 days ago

      “Ford has huge accounts with government(s) state and federal and big corporate sales. Can they survive on those? No, that is why Ford “importing” European model. And it takes Ford to “import” longer then for Honda and Toyota to build form scratch.”

      BORAT- I think I am losing my mind, because I have found myself agreeing with you once in a while lately.
      To the 1st sentence: especially when Obama switches the government accounts to his car company.

      But, the problem with the “importing” is that the whole world has different emissions and crash test standards, and to make a global car affordable is basically impossible (examples of attempts: dodge caliber, 1st gen ford focus, saturn astra).

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      joeblow5_0421 days ago

      @ JakeK66 – I just watched Wall Street the other day… what a great movie! Go Gordon Gecko!

      Ford has a business plan that was created a couple years (or less) ago, and they are sticking to it. They are trying to react to the current situation and not give away cost advantages to the “NEW” GM or Chrysler… why is this wrong?

      Some people will never buy Ford or GM or Chrysler, but all three are trying to win over new buyers from everyone else… but don’t say that Ford is not competitive compared to GM. Both companies make great products, some are newer in certain segments than others. This will always be the case due to product development cycles. The sales and market share (+/-) will be the evidence of who is competitive, not our opinions.

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      AFSOCSARGE421 days ago

      Hell I forgot Cadillac 9 Automotive lines Damn that is alot !

      -Sarge

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      keldon421 days ago

      Dr.Fill…That’s fine if you want to disagree with my opinions, but there’s no reason to call me a basket case. For your info, i’m a psychologist, so i think i’d know a basket case when i saw one. And I also know an ignorant egotistical blowhard when i see one.

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      Borat421 days ago

      Road_AMS, please puke into the toilet

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      Dwide Schrude421 days ago

      Dr. Leo Marvin was a basket case.

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      AFSOCSARGE421 days ago

      JakeK66

      You are 100% my issue is that in regular Economic times it would be fine, this is an Extra Ordinary time in America when 650,000 Americans are losing their jobs. Letting GM and Chrysler die would have added Millions more on the Streets. which is not good for anyones business at all.

      -Sarge

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      elviososa421 days ago

      LOL @ Borat….

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      AFSOCSARGE421 days ago

      To the 1st sentence: especially when Obama switches the government accounts to his car company.

      They already do, GM has had a Strangle Hold on the Government Fleet for at least 50 Years !

      -Sarge

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      A4421 days ago

      The NEW Taurus ISNT EVEN OUT YET

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      AFSOCSARGE421 days ago

      This is what Happens When You Are Greedy And Dumb

      This is an Excellent Read:

      The Chryslertakeover Guy Speaks (2001)

      http://www.allpar.com/ed/chryslertakeover.html

      That is what happens when you have a group of Greedy Idiots Running a Automotive Company

      -Sarge

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      leftwingagenda421 days ago

      jake: “That’s the nature of the business, AFSOCSARGE, they are in it to make money, people lose jobs, companies are created from the remains of another and life goes on. The government is NOT there to save and own a company to save jobs, it is instead there to assist in efforts to liquidate a company and those who buy their remains. You don’t think the profitable parts of GM would still be around if they never got money from the government?”

      the government is there to save companies when that company’s complete failure would be a greater evil…what you’re arguing is that AIG should have been allowed to fail, which may have lead to a crash of global financial markets…i repeat *global* financial markets…great depression stuff here, man…

      let me put it to you this way…you’re standing on the precipice of economic instability that hasn’t been witnessed in 80 years…there is the potential for a crash of huge proportions…your argument would have it that the government should stand by and watch as the AIGs of the world implode and extreme damage is done to the global economy…my argument is that while it may be distasteful, it is better to step in and put the government’s money in there than risk the consequence of doing nothing…

      companies are generally more valuable in bankruptcy if they’re allowed to operate…you net less profit by selling a company in liquidation than you do by letting them continue business…i don’t have a reference for you for that, but i heard it on npr the other day and it makes sense…liquidating GM today won’t net as much cash as siphoning the money back out of GM when it’s profitable in 10 years, although that future scenario is definitely not assured…the risk is worth it because it lessens the destabilization of the economy right now…

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      leftwingagenda421 days ago

      to be on topic with this article, i worry that 5-10 years from now the new gm will have some advantages having been streamlined via bankruptcy…it would seem fair to level the playing field a bit, but i’d wait and see before making any major incentives for ford because there’s a long way to go before gm is out of the woods…

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      Borat421 days ago

      Lefty, I agree with you. I would not worry about GM having advantages, though. It would be the first time in history of the world that government could create successful business entity. Some congressmen were worried when CIA was building airline to support operations, there were few bright guys (or maybe not so bright according to you, since they got us into Iraq war) working at CIA, but their airline was a total financial disaster. There is no government that was capable of being financially successful and there is a reason for it: government is almost designed to tax and spend; business has to accumulate and produce wealth. How do you combine two?

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      Dr. Lincoln421 days ago

      The Doctor says: IF IT WORKS…DON’T FIX IT there is no reason to change the line up if the sheep are going to buy what works. Can anyone tell us what the options were on a Model T or Model A? Get with it guys all the crap the Asians keep trying only lead them back to base model production to hit the numbers and all the gizmos like 4 wheel steering…remember that? are a waste of time. I love my Taurus/Sable and my 13 year old F250. Hell, my F250 has survived attacks from an RX-7 and a Camry. Please don’t ask me to refer to anyone’s opinion…I’m the Doctor, I now what’s best.

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      yarddog82abn421 days ago

      FUNNY HOW EVERYONE IS OFF TOPIC…….

      If you Ford Motor Co. have $1Billion for “ADVERTISEMENT & INCENTIVES” for the year, and Chrysler & GM has $3 Billion each for “ADVERTISEMENT & INCENTIVES” for the year also.

      Don’t you all think that is the concern that Ford Execs. are expressing on.

      A unfair advantage that YOU AND I are paying for with our TAXES!!!!

      Put your self’s in that position, won’t that be your concern also???

      That is the point of this topic, not all the BLAA-BLAA-B.S. everyone has posted….

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      Road_AMS421 days ago

      A4, I’m failing to see your point. The question was why wouldn’t the NEW Taurus be competative…

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      DrFill421 days ago

      RoadAMS
      You can’t wait to talk about taking it up the ass, so when I need queer commentary, I’ll find our resident expert

      Ask Ford where the next Taurus will target the market
      The SHO will approach $40k
      Taurus will match, or exceed, the Ford Five Hundred target market
      Think Maxima, VW CC, Passat, Genesis
      You have to work to get a Camry up to $30k!
      The Fusion is Ford’;s answer to the Camry/Accord

      Ford Fusion Hybrid is better than the Malibu Hybrid
      But I’d take a Malibu over a Fusion in a hot second
      I hate the IP of the Fusion. Way too low. Poor ergonomics.
      That’s just me

      Gizmo
      You can be a top-seller and be non-competitive in power, features, safety, performance
      Inside Line just tested the F-150 against the other trucks in it’s class, and it came in last because it can’t run with the other trucks. It can barely tow itself, much less a stated 11k load.
      A full-size truck is only as good as it’s engines.
      When they someday get the new engines, then the F-150 will be competitive

      Fusion is at least competitive
      And the F-250
      I can’t think of anything else worth considering at Ford
      They talk about the future, because there isn’t much happening there presently
      Lincoln is worse off than Ford
      Almost as much of an embarrasment as Mercury

      Ford is all talk, has been since I worked there 10 years ago.
      Back then they made low-quality crap
      Now they make higher quality crap
      It’s craptastic!
      I’m proud to be an American
      DrFill

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      slider5634421 days ago

      “Keldon
      You need a basket
      Because you’re a basket case

      Ford has very few competitive products, at least compared to companies like GM
      They need to worry about competiting dynamically with the market, before worrying about how much money to throw on the hood

      The next Taurus wil compete with cars like the Passat and Maxima, not Camry and Accord
      The F-150 is still a year from being truly competitive
      Ranger and no minivan show true failure
      Escape and Focus haven’t improved in almost 10 years

      Ford has a lot of work to do
      But don’t they always?
      DrFill”

      @DrFill

      I think we need to back up the proverbial truck and take another look at things here.

      The first of which is that Ford has legitimate concerns about favoritism popping up with the government owning part of GM and the Chrylser group. I was listening to a public radio show here that made legitmate points about government contracts which are currently filled by Ford Motor Co. going to Chrysler or GM as it’s in the governments best interest for those two companies to succeed in business.

      The second thing is what you’ve said about Ford catching up. Ford’s current lineup as of the beginning of this year was easily on par with what GM was producing at the same time and well above competing products from the Chrysler group. The difference is in the plan of attack. GM and Chrysler’s plans of attack at the moment seem scattered and unpreppared while Ford obviously seems to have a leg up on them — afterall they seem to have avoided bankruptcy pretty well.

      I do agree with what you said about Taurus. Taurus will be a full sized vehicle. Fusion is the competitor to the later vehicles in your statement and while it’s not the top seller I can tell you first hand that the new Fusion is a fantastic vehicle that can easily hold its own.

      Next, the truck market. If I remember correctly, Ford has a pretty good replacement for the Ranger in the works and it’s a good thing. If they’re as smart I think they are, they’ll start removing focus from the F-150 and other full sized trucks. Let’s face it, the large truck market is shrinking and I don’t see it growing any time soon.

      No minivan? No problem. Aside from Honda, Toyota, the Hyundai/Kia group, and the Chrylser group, everyone is jumping off that ship. Why continue to produce minivans and SUVs when Crossovers are easily poised to replace both genres?

      While I can’t speak for the Escape, I can speak for the Focus… Specifically that there’s a new one in the canon based off of a global platform and that’s where the trick lies. Watch for Ford in the near future to release much of it’s vehicle base based on global platforms which will lower costs and increase it’s ability to meet changing demands on a wider basis. How many years have I heard about people wanting Ford vehicles from Europe to be imported here? It looks like the time is finally coming.

      The point of all of this being if “Ford has very few competitive products, at least compared to companies like GM. They need to worry about competiting dynamically with the market, before worrying about how much money to throw on the hood” were a true statement, then the financial woes here would be reversed and it would be Ford filing for chapter 11. Let’s face it, regardless of the recession, GM was headed “throttle to the floor” toward chapter 11. The recession may have just gotten them there a little quicker.

      I will say though that I hope and pray that both Chrysler and GM come out of this much leaner and prepared for a new market. I look forward to seeing Mopar and the GM performance division rise from the ashes and prepared to start a new, and look forward to seeing the fantastic new products that will be on the streets from them.

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      AFSOCSARGE421 days ago

      No minivan? No problem. Aside from Honda, Toyota, the Hyundai/Kia group, and the Chrysler group, everyone is jumping off that ship. Why continue to produce minivans and SUVs when Crossovers are easily poised to replace both genres?

      No Cross Overs are replacing SUVs not Mini Vans the are not in the same League at all, Chrysler Leads All in Mini Vans Always have and from Volkswagen who Actually Invented the Mini Van Field Chrysler’s Mini Van

      -Sarge

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      Road_AMS421 days ago

      DrFill with the fiery retort. Oh, how you flatter me. Actually I was talking about you and Borat giving each other the old in and out, so you’re statement makes no sense. So, what did you do for Ford 10 years ago? You must have been a janitor. No self respecting employee would speak the way you do about their products. Growing up in the Detroit area tends to heed a lot of Ford and GM friends. Even though they disapproved of some things like all manufacturers at least they cared about their company and the products they build. So, you obviously took no pride in your work. You’re a sad excuse for an American…no one is proud of you.

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      Borat421 days ago

      “Please don’t ask me to refer to anyone’s opinion…I’m the Doctor, I now what’s best.” – kids don’t take drugs! this is your brain on drugs!

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      SomeGreek421 days ago

      I think Ford has a point to worry, but on the other hand if it eventually fail, the way the other two did, Ford will ask for the equal treatment… And if (at that time) they have the market share, the size and the potential, that the others have now, they’ll get that help too and eventually be saved just like them. So it’s up to Ford…
      Nevertheless it’s fair to express their worries.

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      yarddog82abn421 days ago

      I GIVE UP ON YOU PEOPLE……

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      ahnuconun421 days ago

      What a load of crap! Now Ford is worried about GM and Chrysler’s competitive advantage? Why didn’t they worry about all the imports’ competitive advantage 5 or even 10 years ago? If you ask me Ford’s not going to hold out much longer before they find themselves in Chapter 11…

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      Borat421 days ago

      ahnuconun, totally agree.

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      DrFill421 days ago

      Slider
      All the domestics deserve to go bancrupt
      That’s a given

      At least GM has made the majority of their lineup more than competitive and worth considering for the past 5-6 years
      Ford and Chrysler has consistently underwhelmed the market, so they have never had market share to lose

      IF GM’s product initiative is a factor in their problems, at least they made a last stand
      Chrysler always has one foot in the grave

      I’ve been hearing Ford say they will build competitive vehicles soon for decades
      There is a VERY good reason why they always have 15% of the market (about 25% of that is fleet), and nothing more

      Back in the late 80′s, early 90′s, they conned the market for a little while
      But the true crap always sinks to the bottom
      Kinda like RoadAMS’ posts
      DrFill

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      1c3d0g421 days ago

      Maybe Ford needs to go private then. This way they won’t have to worry about responding to greedy stockholders every damn quarter and they can actually get down to business and build even better cars. Just my 3 cents (damn inflation).

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      MAP421 days ago

      Will a K-car save GM? It worked for Chrysler. :)

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      Payton Byrd420 days ago

      @yarddowg82abn

      Amen, brutha.

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      jackjimturkey420 days ago

      This was a waste of time. I’m nit even going to scroll back up and give credit to the person who made such an accurate description of the Camry/ES

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      stangrl420 days ago

      I am by all means not the savvyest girl when it comes to the car industry…but I don’t agree with the way the stimulus packages have been handled by the government. I think we are headed down a road of conspiracy. When all this hit the air during the elections and began to gain great hype, I looked at my fiance, who has been in the automotive industry for 12 years and said “why don’t they just offer a Government Rebate Stimulus Program to the Big 3? Think about it…in stead of just giving stimulus money to the manufacturers, create a government rebate program that will allow the average consumer the advantage and the incentive to be able to purchase a new vehicle. You base the amount of the government rebate on the price of the vehicle, this would be used in addition to the manufacturer rebates. You apply the same rebate to Ford, GM & Chrysler and you allow the public to decide which product is the best buy for them. This would boost sales for the manufacturers and enable the average consumer who may be unable to purchase a new car, now the opportunity to do so. The government would be able to control the “Rebate Stimulus” because it is being applied toward a newly purchased vehicle. This could have been a very measurable way to ensure there is no improper usage of stimulus money This allows a fair advantage for all 3 manufactures and it also creates a stimulus for the consumer, (taxpayer).

      This is just one person’s suggestion…thanks for reading.

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