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Ford using Escape plug-in Hybrid to evaluate charging grid

03/28/2008, 3:12 PM

By paulee

Ford on Thursday announced it will work together with the non-profit Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) on a three-year project to evaluate integrating plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) into the U.S. electric grid. EPRI will form utilities in and around New York and New Jersey whose customers will use in a trial of Ford’s Escape plug-in hybrid. Similar testing was also recently suggested by the Michigan Public Service Commission.

In California, Ford is conducting a similar test in conjunction with Southern California Edison, with 20 Escape PHEVs developed for the purpose. Findings from the two trials will be compared to see what, if any, differences exist due to the region.

The tests will provide technical information that will allow the development of common standards and strategies among involved utilities, not to mention cross one hurdle that automakers say makes them unable to meet California’s proposed laws that call for a quota production of zero emission vehicles. This is the first such move by an automaker to advance PHEV development and integration, although Subaru will test its all-electric R1e in New York.

Data pertaining to battery technology, vehicle systems, customer usage, and grid infrastructure will be documented and analyzed during the three-year collaboration with EPRI. The process will explore potential stationary and secondary uses for advanced batteries as well.

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03/28, 3:27 PM

posted by:

howsmydriving

A positive development. The future is inevitable — internal combustion engines will go the way of the dinosaur.

03/28, 5:32 PM

posted by:

AmericanMade

Very interesting…

03/28, 5:38 PM

posted by:

enthusiast89

too bad ford will be out of business before they can figure out this technology…

03/28, 6:04 PM

posted by:

squat48

I had a terrible thought today: we’re all looking to electric vehicles to reduce our dependence on oil, thereby reducing our operating costs. But what do you suppose is going to happen to the price of electricity when millions of people start plugging their cars into the wall every night? I guarantee it; the price of electricity is going to go through the roof, and then not only will we not be able to operate our cars, we won’t be able to operate our homes either. Scary thought, isn’t it?

The last couple of years, as the price of gas has gone through the roof, we’ve all been “conditioned” to accept high operating costs for our cars. So whoever is supplying our fuel in the future—regardless of what that fuel is—is going to price that fuel according to what the market will bear. And clearly, the market is bearing high costs already, so what incentive will any company have to replace gasoline with something cheaper? None.

03/28, 10:51 PM

posted by:

johnnycanuck

Gee squat48, are you implying our corporate society would attempt to manipulate even the green movement in the name of the almighty dollar? Shame on you. I just wonder, especially in the US, where all that extra electricity is going to come from. I guess we’d better start building a hell of a lot more dams and Nuclear reactors up here in Canada. We’re too stupid to make any money off it, but when one of you’re many enemies errant missiles heads our way please do your best to intercept it, Then we’ll call it even.

03/28, 11:27 PM

posted by:

jdasch1

An electric car charges at a rate that is the same as the clothes dryer or range cooktop. Right now the electric company doesn’t care how many loads of clothes you dry or how many cakes you are baking each night…so its a non issue. The oil companies will twist this issue to scare the **** out us. I guess they are pretty scared of losing that $110 a barrel oil price their currently getting.

03/29, 6:59 PM

posted by:

autonut

Johnnycanuck you are way too logical for corporate world. Since Hanoi Jane Fonda still has some following there will be no nukes built but we will expand network of coil burning electrical plants. Listen to out candidates: did anyone uttered word “nucelar”?

03/30, 1:29 AM

posted by:

FordTaurusForever

First off the comment by squat48 proves that he does’nt know squat about Electricity and the power to get it.

Listen Unlike Fossil Fuel which requires energy to not only extract petroleum from the earth to pump it out of the ground then Crude Oil has to be refined into Petro products another energy wasting technique. Ergo we finally get Gasoline for our cars after it took alot of energy to produce it. Not so with Electricity. And I will explain. So stop having terrible unjustified thoughts ok today. You can quite being stupid!

First off Solar-Electric and Wind-Electric Power is more affordable. Plus the benefit is that it needs no fossil fuel energy to create electricity. True many electrical grids are powered by Fossil Fueled generators. But the Electrical Grid of tommorrow can be power entirely by Solar and Wind pOwer thus reducing the cost of electricity.

I think the biggest problem we will have is congestion and traffic not the source of power.

03/30, 10:18 AM

posted by:

jayjc08

FordTaurusForever- Before you go along calling everybody stupid, re-read that second paragraph of his, and johnnycanucks post.

It’s not the price of making electricity that we’re worried about. It’s the price we’re going to be charged that we’ve got reason to worry about.

Just for the mention, even solar and wind power cost money, but those costs are hen pecking compared to the costs of nuclear facilities, coal/turbine generators, etc.. Friend of mine lives way out into the country, owns a small windmill, a good amount of solar panels and some scuba batteries to hold it all for about eight grand, installations spread out across a few years, and drives an electric go-cart around and owns an old Toyota pick-up. Overall, I’d say he’s spent a little bit more money than he’s already recouped, but if the power goes out, he’s got it all there, totally self sufficient (owns his own livestock, some foods grown there). I believe he plans on updated those batteries next, the most expensive thing by far.

03/30, 3:19 PM

posted by:

FordTaurusForever

Well jayjc08 if you read my post carefully then you knew I meant the price we’d be paying for Electricity made through Solar and Wind Power. Now did’nt you. Not to mention the fact that there are many other electricity producing technologies in the offing-such as wave power that will bring down the cost of electricity dramatically and make electricity ultra cheap-even for individual homes may be entirely self sufficient-with the most “RECENT” Solar and wind technologies.

True the Electric companies want to make a profit and some may and do over charge for electricity. Most Solar-Photo-Electric panel systems are still extremely expensive. Your friend is no exception. Sure he’s paying for it through the nose for his power, because the system he has now is one that will take him several years to recoupe his investment.

However, at least One company that I know of is changing the game of create your own solar electricity. This way any common home owner could either buy a home with this newest solar-Electric system in place or have it installed and never need to get hooked up to the township power grid! Now how nice is that. I think we could all learn to enjoy cheap renewable energy. This would enable cheap source of power for energy needed to recharge a Hybrid or Plug-In Electric Vehicle should you go in that direction early. However it would provide all the power you needed and then some is what I am telling you. And cheaply.

The one company that I am referring to is Nano-solar and I am sure there are a slew of other competing companies right behind them. However this company should put a huge dent in the non-affordable too expensive silicon based Solar Panels and make solar power affordable the way Henry Ford did for the Automobile Industry.

So there you have it nano-solar will make the first cheap solar panels using Nano-Technology. And the First ever Mass production Solar Panels. Here is there website http://www.nanosolar.com/about.htm-even though I am not a broker but I feel this will be an awesome company to invest in when it goes public of course.

Also, On the subject of cars I disagree with unenthusiastic89 I think the Ford Motor can turn it around with the Plan they have going forward. Ecoboost is a good plan but as long as too other things are met Ford should succede. One the Ford kids have to stay out of the decision process in the Auto as wall street and the market has determine and secondly as long as they get in on Plug-In electrics vehicles I think they will do fine.
I am anxious about the upcoming 2010 Taurus to see if it disappoints, meets, or excedes my expectations. I have a Taurus I own now that I bought brand new and have enjoyed the car immensely. I would or could even imagine if some day Ford Motor produced the upscale Taurus SHO model as an All electric performance sedan. Hey is Tesla can do it then so can Ford Motor. I am eager to see who wins the 100PMG contest for now.
So Jay I hope that answered your question on cheap electrics. We will see the day soon that electricity prices drop not go higher. But you need to get this new Solar Technology and get off your township power grid that’s for starters!

03/30, 9:09 PM

posted by:

jayjc08

FordTaurusForever- It’s pretty obvious that you still don’t get it. Did you know with the current capacity that NanoSolar produces, at full production it will bring America from third in top solar powered nations to second and will triple the overall production of solar cells in the U.S.. Do you know who’s first?

I like Ford’s current plan and believe it will do fine. Give it time, that’s what it needs, GM’s is more intermediate while Chrysler’s just down the drain, but is making some very swift changes.
The Taurus does sound like it’s going to be big, I haven’t heard a lot of hype on it but the little I have, it sounds great.

What year Taurus do you own? I own a 90′ station wagon, LX (something along those letters). Really nice vehicle, great for camping, just shove everything in the back and then put a carrier on the top. It would be cool if they produced an electric SHO, but I think the next gen SHO will use the Yamaha V-8, Volvo’s Yamaha version or Mazda’s 3.7 liter. Those would be my ideal engine choices, but I wouldn’t doubt it being a slightly upgraded 3.5 liter. It’s really grown though, so not as much of a performance sedan.

03/30, 11:47 PM

posted by:

FordTaurusForever

Jayjc08 so you think your the solar power expert eh?? Hmmmm. Listen the industry is still too new or flegling to really call anyone king of the Solar Electric Power world ok. Sure their is FirstSolar and SunPower but this Nano-solar should blow them right out of the water with cost per Solar panel churned out! That’s because they have the lowest cost per panel made now in actual production. So will see who’s the leading top dog in the Solar -photo-electricity industry before long.

As per your 90 Taurus wagon I am glad it is of good utilitarian use to you. I have a 01 Taurus SES which is great with only 116,000 miles on it, and had a 93 Taurus Sedan and it was good as well.
the new V6 Twin Force Turbo is just the Duratec engine now – aluminum Block- Lighter and Twin Turbo hence the name twin force and its a Ford Engine.

The Size of the current Taurus is elephantine and compared to homer Simpson mobile- The New Taurus compared to Superman on Wheels. We’ll see! We’ll See. SAAB(Pseudo-GM owners) and BMW owners look out while I take you down town through the twisties and hit the afterburners!!!

04/01, 6:10 AM

posted by:

jayjc08

FordTaurusForever- I know a lot about solar cells, I’ve installed them before and also wind turbines. However, I’m just pointing out that if you didn’t know, Japan is in first place concerning solar power, and they have some of the most restricted land space in the world. It goes to show how far we are behind, even with a great company. Personal solar cells will not be enough for all the people of America in the future.

04/05, 1:35 AM

posted by:

FordTaurusForever

Well this ain’t Japan and we don’t have nearly the same kind of land restrictions for Solar Power Station like the one that Nano-solar has been contracted out to Make at least one right off the bat in Germany. But sooner rather than later your gonna see them here. And sure you may have installed a wind turbine or two or even a few solar panels, but I’d be willing to bet ya their all Silicon based which #1 are very inefficient(meaning they don’t produce as much electricity as new Nano Methodology is now currently doning #2 Silicon-based solar panels are very expensive. In other words you have experience in out-dated solar Technology for Solar Photo-Voltaic Panels.

We might be alittle behind but I think Nano which is an American based company will get us up to speed.

Also your wrong about energy being produced for consumption in the US. Wind Turbine Farms and Solar Plants could easily meet and even exceed our need if implemented on a MASSIVE scale.

Why don’t we do. You may want to start with the Oil companies or do you work for them????? I rest my case your argument for saying we can’t produce enough electricity for the entire US need is Bunk. Next

 
 
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