If you drive on weekends or have a very short commute, gas isn’t really an issue. Whether gas hits 10 or 20 bucks a gallon, I couldn’t care less. It still takes me 3-4 weeks to go through a tank and whether I spend $150 or $300 a month, it’s a piss in the ocean compared with the avalanche of bills that hit me every week.

for the life of me i cant figure out how we are not having a huge surplus of oil by now. it makes no sense with people drastically cutting back (everyone i know has cut back, some huge, some smaller)that supplies are dwindling….huh???? if what we are importing is the same, then it should be backing up somewhere!! who is crunching the numbers??

The high price of oil is due to speculation, just like the housing market before that. While the bubble may burst soon, the price of gas won’t go down. And Arabs won’t increase production because they hate us.

Unfortunately my commute to work in my little Nissan Sentra SE-R is costing me around $200 a month and on what I make, it’s starting to hurt. I’m actually starting to consider a low CC motorcycle as a commuting alternative to my car. I think when it comes down to it, the way gas hits you comes down to your car, commuting distance, and income.

There is a very simple explanation as to why there is no huge oil surplus in the US now. Being a current oil insider I can explain that to you at a high level including why the prices of fuel are going up so drastically.

1 barrel of oil does not equal the same XX number of gallons of gasoline all the time. Oil refiners can take a given barrel of oil and produce, in any combination, X number of gallons of gasoline X number of gallons of diesel and X number of gallons of jet fuel. Due to the current extraordinary demand and high price of diesel, refiners are shifting their production to drastically less gasoline and much more diesel. Behind this change of gear in production is China, which is currently buying up most of the diesel in the world and driving demand and prices for diesel sky high. Their given reason for doing this is to stockpile for the forthcoming olympics which will be held there.

With this high demand for diesel and subsequent high price of both diesel and oil coupled with a reduction in gasoline production, prices for all fuels are rising and gasoline is slowly becoming more scarce. With the height of the summer driving season fast approaching, expect to see astronomically high prices for the US and possibly some shortages as well.

Hope that helps to give some insight for you guys who do not already know. Moreover, this has not begun to get bad yet….

Future prices for oil for in 2016 are at $160/barrel. This mean that prices of oil will go up for foreseeable future and beyond. As long as population of world rises and their prosperity rises as well, the need for oil will follow.
For the last 5 years cost of oil is been rising and every economist and oil traded predicted scenario that oil will surpass $100/barrel. Why Ford (and GM) execs could not react to those facts is beyond me. Chrysler has an excuse of not having execs till 5-6 months ago.

Fuel is adding to the costs of many things besides your daily commute. Everything you buy and eat is shipped via diesel fuel. A truck load from LA to Seattle has gone from $1700 a load to $2700 in 6 months. Farmers equipment all runs on diesel, trains and ships all run on diesel. We will feel this crunch in more ways then most immediatly recognize.

Tell us something we don’t know Mr. Mulally. I’m sure you have plenty of big oil buddies who told you what was coming down the pipe years ago and you chose to play Ostrich instead. Not only that, but all you really had to was look across the pond at what was happening in Europe. It was simply arrogance to think the price of fuel wouldn’t eventually hit the same levels. At it still hasn’t. The saddest part is that despite raking in huge profit per vehicle when the truck/SUV market was hot you’re still billions in debt. So now what do you do with all those dinosaurs? Nobody’s buying them and even the dealers don’t want them. Hell of a way to run a business.

Definately a smart move. You have to address a future problem before it becomes and issue. Hats off to Ford. Mulally is a great addition to ford. He will definately post another profit for the second quarter. Especially with thinking ahead, which was something ford lacked for a long time. Kudos for Ford.

Arabs hate us? Speak for yourself.

It would be pretty funny if the “Big 3″ would abandon SUVs and Trucks like they abandoned everything else 10,15 years ago, so that they will have to play catch-up again once gas prices relax..

johnnycanuck, I actually mis-spoke, Mulally is a short timer at Ford. He may be blamed less. Bill Ford was running company into the ground just few months ago. However, he took a job and did not have balls to stand up to Ford family, he certainly knew where oil is heading coming from airspace (Boeing). It does not take genius to look across the pond 2 years ago and see the market landscape when cost of fuel was $5/gallon.

Unfortunately for our children in the short term cost of fuel will be less in US. I am stating unfortunate, because the difference is in taxes. If government would hit population with taxes 4 years ago when gas went up to $2/gallon with .50 tax it would force change in behavior, start conservation and force auto industry to stop craze, along with other industries, construction for example. From economist point of view it would be a prudent government preamble to curtail what happened now. Administration spared the rod and lost economic battle. The tax could be used on research for efficiency or to shore up public transportation in cities. Now the market will correct what government and “captains of industry” failed.

Arabs hate us! No mistake about it. Who flew planes in WWC? Pentagon? Drove on into ground in PA?

Gas prices won’t ever relax. I think the vast majority of Americans would be happy to see gas at $3.00 again. The way things are going it will be $5 by labor day… and once the heating oil crunch happens this winter it will hit $6.
How long this has to go on before it devastates the American economy all the way down to its roots is anybody’s guess. The people at the bottom in service industries are already feeling the crunch. Cashiers, sales clerks, minimum wage workers, waiters, etc. People the majority of us are served by every single day. When these people cannot afford to drive to work anymore, things will really start to tumble.
My question is this… would the American people be willing to go to war with an oil producing nation so we can stabalize our economy and ensure our own futures?

Gas prices relax? Do the math. Gas prices have been on a steady incline since 2000. Example: in January gas prices were $2.50 a gallon in Jersey. Right now Gas prices are $3.67. They will eventually bring it down to $3.00 and say there giving us “gas relief”, when in fact we took a 50cent increase. They’ve been doing this 2000. I remember 10 years ago when it was a $1.25. The gas stations have us by the balls and they know it. Last i looked Ford hasnt been doing any “Catch up”. Whats the best selling vehicle. Thats right the F-150, and no other company and even come close to Fords Truck. Last i saw the fusion-focus-edge, arent staying on lots because there all on the road

RaineMan, before we start losing life over cost of oil, would it be cheaper to cut consumption? We do consume more then anyone else on the planet, except sheiks in Saudi Arabia. Should we start conservation before waisting life?
ihustle, I strongly encourage you to drive the best truck in the world. You definitely can afford it. Pollution from V8 will beautify the rest of the Garden State, just like between exits 12 and 18 on turnpike or by exit 129 on Garden State Parkway (by Hess refineries). Or the smell of it!

“Arabs hate us! No mistake about it. Who flew planes in WWC? Pentagon? Drove on into ground in PA?”
xyunya you must be a painter… you have nice wide brush strokes. Instead of accussing the Arabs for 911 why don’t you blame the Saudias that was the nationality of nearly everyone of those asshole terrorists in those planes that day. And that is the country that funds 75% of all terrorist cells today.

xyunya, you ever hear of a california emissions system. Google it, the new f-150 are more eco friendly then ever, steal beating any other vehicle in sales. So when is a V-8 even a crime. Every major automobile maufacturer is offering an 8 cylinder. You need it on a full size truck. Well i mean if your truck is used like its built to perform. So what kind of gas do you use anyway? Everyitme you fill your tank you help profit these organizations that you blaintly put down. Listien to your own words. Go drive a 4 cyclinder tacoma you pussy. Or move out of the state that you speak so harsh of

It is vary sad to see American workers at truck plants give in to wage cuts or lose their jobs. High prices of gas will have a grave effect on U.S. auto industry for some time to come. And you can’t blame Americans for liking their F-150s. There is a reason that F-150 has been the best selling vehicle for so many years…it’s so ****ing good in so many ways, and unless you own one, you may not understand. Why can’t Saudi Arabia increase production? Even if the quality of the **** they pump isn’t up to par. But OPEC doesn’t give a **** about hard working Americans. And I don’t believe that everyone in China is driving a car all of the sudden, that they’re driving the demand so much. And to all you environmentalists out there…”go chew on some grass, and I’ll have my steak.”

Xyunya… I would rather we go to war over something like the price of fuel than over some pointless thing like supposed WMDs that were never even found.
The American way of life is based on one thing… cheap and abundant fuel. If we can’t get it… everything starts tumbling down. People can’t afford to drive to work, the prices of goods skyrocket, consumer spending dries up, companies let workers go b/c of decreased demand for their products, it is a snowball effect.
Where is all the oil that Iraq can supposedly produce anyways? It all needs to be flowing over here to pay off the Iraqi war debt.
Why did Germany remilitarize after WWI… why did Japan expand across the pacific at the start of WWII… simple… all because of their need for fuel.

American way of life is based on hard work, values, and belief in God! **** you who said it’s based on cheap fuel. Go drive your ‘92, stick, Civic and tell everyone how fuel efficient it is.

I’m fortunate enough to have a pretty good paying job so we haven’t drastically changed our driving habits, YET. But we do have a Subaru Tribeca SUV as our 3rd car…and we have relegated it to weekend only driving. My wife and I make enough to afford gas for now…but it is beginning to hurt having to spend $100+ per week just for the 2 of us commute to work.

Bubs Solo, I also remember footage from Palestine when most of the population had victorious celebration when attacks became public knowledge. Now my wide brash got from richest to poorest of tribes. There were also Kuwaitis aboard those planes, very same Kuwaitis whom we liberated 10 years before attack. But lets be realistic, Iranians or Persians don’t love us either: I do recall ‘79 embassy seizure and one of the instigators run that country now. I don’t believe Chavez is great fan of our form of democracy either, and will smoke few of us if he could. And I don’t really care for bull**** argument that it’s Bush’s fault: given information president has, there is not much choice of an action plan. Who loves you baby? Not Muslim, or other oil producing population of this earth.

ihustle, I familiar with California emission, CAFE and EU emission. Basically, any 8 cylinder will be more harmful to environment then any 4 cylinder. You can’t bring plywood or construction tools to construction site, but I doubt that millions of construction workers were buying those trucks to use for construction. I see plenty of them clean and shiny with 1 driver during rush hours. Those puppies when loaded (majority of sales) are about 40K a pop.

RaineMan, as a student of history, you should also remember what happened during/after WWII with Germany and Japan. YThe fate of agressor is not always certain. I served my country in uniform, and I don’t want anyone to loose life or limb because we can’t drive anything less then F-150 to work and back. My comrades in arms agree. Did you serve or plan to go kill yourself?

xyuna im not seeing the point. Trucks need the 8 cylinder engines. Go to any construction site and i would bet the mass majority of the vehicles would be fords. I guarantee there not 4 cylinders. Any american guy wouldnt be caught dead with a tacoma. I dont see many tacomas “clean and shiny” because theres no pride in ownership. Get your facts straight, if your so worried about the ecosystem go pick up trash on the parkway, with your 4 cyclinder

I know my history pretty well Xyunya… and I thank you for your service. I am not proposing that the US go to war this second. My hypothetical is simply this… how long is it going to take?
Would you go to war over $6/gal gas? Or $8… or $10? Because we are well on the way… and there are no signs of it stopping ever.
Something has to be done to reign prices in… and we have already seen that OPEC is unwilling to do a damn thing to help us while their citizens enjoy gas at less than $1/gal. I don’t think the politicians are going to be able to convince them to turn up production with out some threat of force.
When it costs $100 to fill up a Honda Civic… will we be fed up enough to do something about it?

ihustle, my point is that you do need a truck for construction work, but 80% of trucks are purchased not for construction work at all, but to compete with Jones. I do pick up trash on highway (not in orange jumpsuit) and not ashamed of it, but not in NJ. I encourage you to do the same, your state can really use some housekeeping.

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran are all the same to us, Americans. They hate our way of life and if there is anything they can do to destroy it, they’ll do it. Remember 9/11? We didn’t go to Iraq to find WMD. We went there so they can fight our bravest men and women, and don’t come here to kill the innocent. Arabs just love sitting there and watching us pay $4.29 a gallon, because with every fill up, we’re funding their wealth. We drive our trucks and we love them. It may be true that in big cities the only trucks on the road are shiny, fully equipped ones that cost $40k. But drive out 50 miles and you’ll see what most of us drive.

Good thing is I can work from home now one or two days a week which will offset a bit of the cost (maybe 30%).
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About China hoarding diesel for the Olympics, yeah, I can see that a wee bit but how come prior to every other Olympics the price of every gallon didn’t shoot up $1.50? Why?? Oh, I know why - because it is a BS explanation, that’s why. This price really is a result of rampant speculation at this point but we can’t change that until the psychology breaks. And until there is more refinery investment at the corporate level.
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BTW, where is all that tar-sand oil from Canada and the Rockies that was supposed to be profitable to extract at about $70/barrel?

Really do you understand what fleet sales are. The majority of Fords truck sales are to fullfill fleet contracts. For construction, trucking, and other such companys. SO you 80% is way off, about 80% are used for that such matter. Go to home depot and take a look around the parking lot. I sell Fords, believe me i know first hands where these trucks are going. If your picking up trash in your state i guess that doesnt say much on how clean your state is. Ill make sure i throw some garbage out today so i can see your dumb ass picking it up tommrow. Get your facts straight before you speak

RaineMan, it does cost $100 to fill up Civic in UK, France, Germany, Japan. I know there are subsidies for gas in China, but in India gas is a bit less then in Europe (about $6/gallon but relative to their national income level it is like $20/gallon for us). And it is not only cars, albeit in US transportation is responsible for large consumption of oil, but our national excessive consumption. I am not in love with “friends” of our country, but before we start killing someone for their natural resource, perhaps we can curtail our consumption? The price of oil will go up in foreseeable future because demand is going up. Once demand eases off, the cost will fall; economics 101.

I tell you who this is going to hurt more than you and me. Municipalities. They have to buy fuel for school busses, police, fire, and medic vehicles, & city maintenance trucks. County and city governments are already millions over their budgets b/c of the outrageous cost of fuel. Has anyone considered the tourism industry at all? I have already cancelled my summer beach vacation this year… b/c at current prices it is going to cost more that $100 just to get there and come back. So that is $500 of my money that my favorite beach town isn’t going to get… and I promise you that I’m not the only one who is doing it.

ihustle, you are really bright guy: go throw out some garbage, spill oil on your lawn, do some good for Garden State. Don”t forget to **** in the ocean and on the beach while you at it. When you ass will be out of Ford dealership and you’ll be selling Hyundai - will it be the best thing since slice bread?

RaineMan, I live in US as well and feel the pinch just like you do. During my days in service, we were not encouraged to complain about problem - we were encourage to propose workable solution. If conservation is not a solution to overconsumption problem, I really don’t know what is. We all can buy Ford trucks from ihustle so he can throw more garbage around, because he’ll be able to buy more garbage. Killing for oil is not something I would advocate.

Im pretty sure we posted a profit last quarter, and as its looking were on our way to doing it again. Whats the best selling vehicle in the world???????i forgot, wait i remember the F150. Go drive your foreign piece of **** in the ocean and kill yourself. My dealerships been in buisness for 45 years and we arent going anywhere anytime soon. I love how you pieces of **** who know nothing about cars, or trucks in that matter, Come on here and put down domestic brands. If you love your foreign cars move there, your supporting there economy anyway so whats the difference right? Your prob a pennsylvania herb who sits on his computer all day. Seriously the world would be a better place if you werent in it

who has the best selling vehicle?????????????????????

ohhh thats right FORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a workable solution Xyunya. We need to go around right now and take every single V8 SUV out of every parking lot in America and crush them all. Give every driver a 4-cylinder whatever to beat around in and be done with it. Sure… Americans are not buying SUVs anymore… but that isn’t going to slow the demand from the millions of them that are still on the road. It will take atleast 10 years for gasoline demand to drop significantly enough to lower prices.

Americans do indeed consume quite a bit, but our world now revolves around a global economy. Everybody around the globe is overconsuming. VW is correct, speculation and China are driving up the cost of oil. It’s not only the Olympics, but with the earthquakes I read that they need tons of diesel to run generators over there. Granted, that might seem like a BS excuse but it’s partially true. China and India in particular are growing into 1st world industrialized nations up from their 3rd world status. There are billions of people in those 2 countries alone. Do the math. Supply of oil is finding it hard to keep up with demand because of other world nations, not just the US. With going “green” being thrown in our face every day I’m sure that Americans are probably less consuming than China right now. How about we take a broader look at the world instead of thinking the US is the root of the world’s problems. It’s a new world out there. Wake up.

Im sure a 4 cylinder truck works real well!!!!!! good idea raineman. Im sure a 4 cylinder tacoma can do a similiar job to what an f-150 is capable of. Your insane. You and xyuna with his weird ass name should come back to reality, and get out of make believe land

It’s a great point about municipalities running into huge deficits because of fuel cost. And guess what? Who’s going to pay for all this? Our taxes! Everyone will feel the pinch. With the upcoming long weekend, a lot more people will stay home because two, $100 fill ups could be used for groceries instead. Everyone I know is driving less, so sooner or later the demand will go down. But I bet the price of gas won’t go down. And all of us driving our beloved F-150s feel it more than you ****ing foreigners who think your Honda Civic is superior to anything else on the road. American auto industry is in serious trouble, affecting thousands of hard working Americans who worked their asses off building the trucks that built this country. Toyota and Honda did not build this country. Neither did Volkswagen, BMW, or Mercedes-Benz. It’s the Fords, Chevy’s and Dodges. I don’t blame the Chinese or Indians for wanting to drive their cars, I blame the Arabs and OPEC who don’t respond to the increased demand because the have a monopoly.

how about we just learn from this crap this time around and shift to OTHER fuels!!! when this spit hit the fan twice in the 70’s, we immediately downsized and by 1985 had full size luxury cars getting 30 mpg hwy. THIRTY!! then with gas stable, detroit figured it was “mission accomplished” and stopped. had they continued fuel mileage improvements, say 1 mpg a year, we wouldnt be at this crossroads at all, 23 years later. now downsizing wont do it…..BIG change is needed and the biggest is to dethrone big oil for something else….anything else. the sooner the better…

RaineMan, I think you have a bit of destruction complex. You don’t need to brake anything. As linus posted, he drive less his beloved F-150. So the demand will go down. Demand is down already. Eventually the demand will go down and Mr. Mulally will extract his head out of his rectum and start building fuel efficient vehicles. Not for the love of crying public, but he needs SOMETHING to sell to make a living. SOMETHING is in the form of Ford Focus, for which ihustle will charge more then for Accord and linus will gladly pay after unable to drive his F-150. Piece everybody. Ford vehicles are the best.
BTW the most sold vehicle worldwide today is Renault Megane in various forms (in US NIssan Versa).

You know, western Europeans pay close to $10 per gallon now, and it hasn’t “destroyed their economy.” We in the US are clearly going to have to learn to do the same.

I am old enough to have been a teenager during the ‘73 oil shock, when we were horrified to see gas prices double to 60 or 70 cents a gallon. My family had a V-8 Plymouth Satellite that got about 14 mpg and we figured it was a dinosaur. If you had told me then that 35 years down the road, Americans would be lining up to buy 14 mpg vehicles, I would have called you insane.

The automakers are complicit in this crisis by failing to lead the marketplace toward more efficient vehicles until it is far too late. Now we are all in the ****. Fog-headed Americans who claim they “need” a Ford Expedition for their 4X-weekly trips to the Safeway are going to remodel their motoring habits along European guidelines.

$10/gallon fuel doesn’t bankrupt the European middle-class. They just live a little differently, and we are going to learn how to do likewise.

$100-$150/tank fillups are the way our work is going to look. Deal with it. We do not have a divine right to cheap oil. Real Americans are thinking up alternatives, not plotting World War III in hopes of bringing prices down.

Piece, TomF.

Europe is built differently than the US. We’re not the land of wide open spaces for nothing. Their mass transit system is decades ahead of ours too. Comparing driving habits of Euros vs. Americans is like apple to oranges.

And last time I looked, Toyota was building their fair share of SUVs and trucks. In case all of you Ford/GM haters have been hiding a cave for the past 5 years, I believe Toyota just built a HUGE TRUCK PLANT in San Antonio and had to put on hold plans to build another in the US. The Big 3 weren’t trying to ruin the US economy, they were trying to make profits. And if their trucks and SUVs were making them profits then so be it. I think it’s called capitalism. They may be late to the “green” party but at least they finally realized they had to do something to stop the bleeding, again to make profits. They’re not here to make people happy. They’re here to make cars for people to drive and make money. If you open your mind you’ll see Toyota operates under the same rules. They just seem smarter and greener. If I’m way off base, I’d say Ford has just as many trucks and SUVs in their lineup as Toyota does - somebody please correct me if I’m wrong, and I’m not talking sales I’m talking actual models in their lineup. Ford’s best selling “car” just happens to be a truck. Deal with it and stop bitching about how “Ford and GM screwed themselves by building trucks and SUVs instead of cars.” They built what sold, just as Toyota did and does. Now they need to do something different with their lineups because of the green movement and gas prices. It’s not personal, folks, it’s business.

‘xyunya’, it wasn’t a plane that hit the Pentagon. And the debris in Pennsylvania wasn’t that of an airliner. Don’t jump to conclusions.

‘murphy’, eerily familiar to what I posted here many months ago.

‘Tom’, tell ‘em … adapt or die.

As has been mentioned in this thread and by me for the last year, gas will hit $5/gallon shortly. Bank on it. The dollar is dead and your economy is finished … you haven’t seen anything yet … this is just starting to plumb the depths of suffering for America. Sorry but it is going to get very ugly … buy gold NOW and thank me at $1200 this year … had you listened to me last year you would have bouoght at $650 and sold at $1000, like I advised. Or ignore the advice and put a gun to your forehead within 2 years.

Well, GM and FOrd build substantial fortunes selling trucks that public wants and now can retool for smaller vehicle production. Meanwhile, companies with line-up of existing smaller vehicles will fill the void, it’s business. For those who can’t live without F-150, read what 61Vette wrote and adjust.

We are land of open spaces, but 90% of population lives near or within cosmopolitan centers. Very small part of population lives in true open spaces and even smaller part of population travel outside of their own very limited space.

Impulsive, was it a UFO that hit Pentagon? There is enough evidence to clarify that Pentagon was hit by American Airlines Flight 77 specifically Boeing 757. I will give you that a lot of people did see Elvis recently. And CIA did not blow up WTC in New York. Impulsive, most of psychiatrists are good listeners, I don’t know if they buy gold but can prescribe medication to minimize superiority complex. I haven;t read a single article in either WSJ or Economist signed by Impulsive.

THE U.S. NEEDS TO START DRILLING!!!!!

Have a good Memorial Day, everybody

‘xyunya’, do some homework on the subject … the Pentagon was NOT hit by a 757. And the debris in Penn state was NOT that of an airliner. Stop accepting public acceptance of such nonsense.

If you had listened to me at $650, you would have profited … FACT. If you listen to me now, you will profit … FACT. If you wait until January of 2011, 2.5years from now, you’ll be too late … FACT.

Don’t question me, I have been right and will continue to be right … thank those who are ’superior’ to you in times like this and don’t try and ridicule or mock them … you already look foolish and only deserve to suffer with comments like your last. Actually, stick with the WSJ and Economist … you fit that demographic … you don’t deserve better.

Mulally, he’s such a smart guy!

the ARA (American Redneck Association) held a meeting on December 5, 2007 and decided that $3.50 was the magic number.

ihustle,

Every industrialized nation on earth, with the exception of USA and Canada, was built on the back of a 4-cylinder, often 2WD pickup truck. To all the Toyota HiLuxes, Mazda B-series, Datsun and Daihatsu pickups, we salute you…

Impulsive,

Although I don’t really believe in your type of bias as to what hit the Pentagon, I admit without being part of the forensics investigation we don’t really have any insider info as to what it was. Then again, that means neither do you, so your acceptance of the belief that it WASN’T a Boeing is just as unfounded.

‘Deanster’, all the gov’t has to do is release all video taken from all surrounding locations and show us what happened … until they do that, they are liars. Not to mention photos available showing a small diameter (less than 10ft) hole deep inside the Pentagon that could NOT be made by any fuselage of ANY airplane … because it was a rocket. The debris left on the lawn was not related to a Boeing.

We are all allowed to believe what we want … I’ll take an opposing bet on this one.

Impulsive- Ever heard of the guys who walked in business suites picking up debris in front of the Pentagon? You know, people who look like they came straight from a Men In Black scene picking up a bunch of “alien” crap, like they’re getting paid or something…

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…I was serious on that one

Deanster, just an observation on your first comment. While high gas price doesn’t affect you as much if you drive less as comparing to a daily 30 miles commute, you’ll be doing mostly city driving. Trucks, SUVs or cars with V6 or V8 tends to get much worse City mileage, which will still hurt their sales more so than compact cars’ sales.

Those who bought a truck because of “look” to go from point A to point B will probably trade. But some of us have legitimate need for such vehicle (especially truck). So the segment will shrink but won’t go away. Ford needs to learn to spread around their R&D and not put everything in one or two similar segments.

‘jayjc’, I don’t know of that happening but I honestly can see it happening … they may have been there to remove any non-airline debris before “we” showed up.

Like I stated, show the video and prove your case that it was an airliner … I say bull****.

Well, it did happen, and yes, these people walking around picking up “debris” are captured on numerous videos. Look it up some time, I was exaggerating about the business suites and all, but immediately after the crash after things cleared up a little bit, people began walking around picking up debris.

I think what you should more or less focus on more intently though is Building Seven. Remember, no plane hit that building.

I’d bet money it did happen … it’s all a set-up … I saw a pic where the engine found on the lawn was that of a small airplane, not that of an airliner. And that hole deep inside the Pentagon could only have been made by a rocket.

There is plenty of stuff I’ve read that leads to a set-up of grand proportions … but being Canadian, I have little to no interest in getting directly involved.