I disagree with Iacocca as these are very different times and a succession plan should be implemented for both a fresh start (which is what is truly happening) and fresh faces. The reality is that if GM does not have a succession plan then they are poor business leaders to being with. Lee Iacocca reminds me of an ex-general in the military—nobody gives a damn about what they have to say any longer after they retire. Now, more than ever a true succession plan is in order. Hell, the old bastards running GM are ready to keel over as it is.

Sadly, he happens to be right.

I think if Lee Iaccoca stated that management is not to be changed, then the problem has no solution. It is the same management who led to this debacle. Congress and Senate are trying to solve a problem that can not be solved. The result will be the same as any other “government” solutions: those companies will go into oblivion, but not before 125 billions will be spend to build cars no one wants to buy.

Great.. all Iaccoca would do is make minivans with K cars transmissions (that fail right before the 70k miles) just like he did to bail Chrysler out in the 80’s

Is he being paid to say that? I can’t believe these people. I realize that there many many many factors that contribute to the problem here. But if the current management are the best people for future success, then why aren’t they currently successful? I’m preaching to the choir here, I know, I just needed to add my 2 cents / billions in tax dollars.

The analogy is not that “you don’t change coaches in the middle of a game.” It’s more like, what do you do with a starting pitcher who’s given up 16 runs by the third inning? Stick with him for consistency?

This management has failed.

Iacocca’s frame of reference is nearly 30 years old, remember — he managed in a totally different environment. Vinyl landau roofs were another big idea of his that wouldn’t work today.

Borat/Fit19,

The current management DIDN’T LEAD TO THIS MESS. Mulally has only been with Ford for 2 years. Nardelli’s been with Chrysler less then 2 years. And Wagoner position has only been on of full control at GM for 3.5 years.

It was the former management that threw all the money at trucks and SUVs. It was the former management that gave the store away to the unions.

It is the CURRENT management under which GM has introduced its most competitive midsize, family, and luxury vehicles in 35 years! It is the current management that’s beating the Japanese on fuel economy. It it the current management that renegotiated the UAW contracts so that VEBA and the 2-tiered wage system would be implemented. It is the current management (at both GM and Ford) that have introduced vehicles competitive on quality and reliability to the Japanese.

You guys know nothing about the auto industry and the strides GM and Ford have made to turn themselves around under the current management if you think you’re justified in calling for their heads. The ONLY reason they’re in front of Congress hat-in-hand right now is because the fuel prices KILLED sales of their most profitable vehicles, while the credit crisis killed sales of the rest. And GM and Ford happened to be too weak to withstand the double-whammy when it hit, due to the poor decisions of THE DISTANT PAST.

And the only reason Chrysler is in need is because Daimler took them from an incredibly strong, profitable situation in 1998 and absolutely scuttled them by the time they sold out to Cerberus. That’s not Nardelli’s fault.

So quit it with the “Off with their heads” business. It insults your intelligence.

You’re dumb Fit19. You must understand that if one of the Big 3 were to change their CEO position now, it would require an extraordinarily long amount of time for that person to fully adjust to the surroundings. While Wagoner might not necessarily be the best person for GM’s CEO spot, taking him out of the picture now is not a good idea. Time is more important than anything else.

It’s easy for Senator Dodd to call for new management. He doesn’t quite comprehend that being an executive for one of these automakers is not similar to a political leader position. Everyone knows the issues a lawmaker faces. We generally live with them on a daily basis. When you work in a company as large as GM, it takes a very good knowledge of corporate policy, an overall sense of how to get things done, and a passion for the automobile to be successful. If the Big 3 survive, it’s with their current management.

What Congress should do is nominate people to oversee each company which receives a loan. For instance, there should be someone to work with Wagoner, Nardelli, and Mulally. They should have industry and leadership experience.

The problem I have is with their products still. 3.5 years of GM control see another failure in the Cobalt and Colorado. The Malibu is finally right, but it took them how many tries? But then there are still a lot of badge-engineering like the upcoming Pontiac G3 Aveo under Wagoner’s watch too.

Ford refused to send over the Euro Focus, refused to develop a new Ranger to stay competitive. Unlike Iacocca’s time, we live in a global economy, with information available at your fingertips. Is it any wonder why people don’t buy old technology when they could buy a Mazda3? So 2 years of “new” management and we are just about to get the Euro Focus, and Ford of Europe is probably getting the next gen Focus soon.

Chrysler, yeah you can blame Daimler all you want. It is just easy to blame not a human being, not even a home grown company, but a foreign one. The fact remains, in 2 years, we get crappy interiors worthy of a Yugo that are virtually identical in products across the line! Take the Sebring as an example, its styling or the lack of has gotten worse than the last generation manufactured under DaimlerChrysler. The Caliber is not exactly a home run comparing to the Neon. Badge-engineering is also present between Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep (Why a Jeep Compass?). The PT Cruiser, a potential xB fighter, is left to die on its own and we got Aspen, Journey, Compass, Commander, messed up Sebring instead.

Sure, the old management has started the disaster. But when rival automakers from Japan and Korea are making smaller vehicles that are selling, shouldn’t they have predicted that oil price will not always stay low, and it is just wise business decision not to put all your eggs in one basket, oil price notwithstanding? The Prius has been around for how long now? So yes, they might not be blamed totally, but they can’t escape responsibility either. Instead of being trend-setter like Toyota with Lexus and Scion, they are always Johnny-come-lately. I take no position in whether they or who should be ousted. Their job is to trim down and stop wasting resources on badge-engineering and to get rid of useless brands. We all know these different brands are all made under the same roof anyway, so why?

inline6 “vehicles competitive on quality and reliability to the Japanese” Please show me some proof of this statement
Thank you

LOL… THIS GUY IS FUNNY…

sharpie,

The Cobalt was RELEASED in fall of 2004. Wagoner took full control after the Cobalt was released. The Colorado was introduced in the Fall of 2003. And let’s not forget that the Cobalt is GM’s most fuel-efficient vehicle, and it’s more fuel efficient than any conventional car in its class. The Cobalt SS is also hailed as a massive success. And GM’s actually making money on the damn thing. But yeah, its days are numbered.

It took GM 3 tries to get the Malibu “right”, if you’re referring to the ‘08 model. However, the ‘97 model was hailed as Motor Trend’s “Car of the Year”. They just let it rot until 2004. The ‘04 Malibu was much better, but again, it was released in the Fall of 2003. And it was only around 4 years before becoming the class-leading vehicle you see today, with highway fuel economy MATCHING the Honda Fit’s.

It takes 4 years to get a car from drawing board to Job 1. Wagoner took full control in 2005. The vehicles under his full direction are just now getting to market. And if you count from 2000, when he became CEO, the first vehicles under his regime were released for ‘05. And everything released since then has been FAR more competitive that the vehicles they replaced.

Your complaints about Ford have everything to do with Bill Ford, Jr. and not Alan Mulally, who came on only 2 years ago.

And ALL of the Chrysler vehicles you just described were designed, engineered, and released under…wait for it…DAIMLER ownership. If you want me to name names, Deiter Zetsche would be one.

It’s also worth noting that GM beat Honda and Nissan to the subcompact market (MY2004). And the Aveo gets better mileage than BOTH the Versa and Fit. And if the Japanese TOTALLY predicted that oil prices would DOUBLE in 3 months, why on EARTH did they debut the Sequoia and Highlander, which went BACKWARD in fuel economy from their not-too-great predecessors IN THE MIDST OF THE OIL PRICE SPIKE?

Toyota LOST money on every Prius it built until VERY recently. And their hybrid program was subsidized by the Japanese government, to boot.

1115:

http://www.autolinedetroit.tv/show/1241

JD Powers is pay for play CR is all but useless and RDA is some MR group Where is the evidence in resale values and reliability studies for longer than 90 days on a car when things are not likely to go wrong
Where?? Nice try though Im sure you can do better than that I know you dont think bc they and John McElroy said so that its true lol
Ill be waiting

Where is the evidence that lower resale values (which have vastly improved with the current vehicle line) are due to lack of quality and reliability? The lower resale values have been due to high fleet sales (though for 07-08 sales to fleets have plummeted), and incentivizing.

Where is the evidence that JDP is pay for play? They show that 3-year reliability for GM and Ford are competitive.

So why don’t you hop off that Accord e-brake handle, pull your pants back up, and furnish me another credible rubric for judging post 90-day reliability, and your cursory, out-of-hand dismissal of my evidence (from the horses’ mouths) may have more credibility.

On May 17, 2007, Simon & Schuster published Iacocca’s new book, Where Have All the Leaders Gone?, co-written with Catherine Whitney. An article with the same title, and same two co-authors, has recently appeared. In the book, Iacocca writes:

“ Am I the only guy in this country who’s fed up with what’s happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We’ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we’ve got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can’t even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, “Stay the course.” Stay the course? You’ve got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I’ll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out! ”

On December 3, 2007, Iacocca launched a website intended to encourage open dialogue about the challenges of our time, such as what soaring health care costs are doing to America and why the U.S. lags so far behind in developing alternative energy sources and hybrid vehicles. The site also promotes Iacocca’s book Where Have All the Leaders Gone and allows users to rate presidential candidates by the qualities Iacocca feels every true leader should possess: curiosity, creativity, communication, character, courage, conviction, charisma, competence and common sense.

Chrysler got Jim Press from Toyota
Ford got Bob Farley from Scion
Management isn’t the problee, or the solution
The answer is the domestics badly need a secret ingredient none of them have, or can buy enough of
Time

Look an Hyundai
They’re in the same noat as the Broke 3
NOW they want tol make good cars, and be taken seriously, and shed their sorry-a$$ image
And the can’t
With 4 new models added to their lineup, brand sales have stayed flat or fallen for 4 years in a row
Why?

Because nobody likes Hyundai
Nobody trusts Hyundai
For every Genesis sale they make they lose an Elantra or Sonata sale
Hyundai doesn’t want to wait the 10-20 years they spend wrecking their image to repair it
So they throw money at the problem
And where is it getting them?

The domestics are done
Not because they can’t build good cars
Because they choose when and where to do it
This is Chess
It ain’t Checkers!
Good luck finding buyers when you have to admit that you’ve been screwing over customers for decades
The truth will prepare you for bankruptcy
DrFill

well, maybe you dont change coaches, but if youre the eagles you can just change your quarterback.

High Fleet sales lol Its not bc the Japanese make a longer lasting reliable car I love the fleet sales excuse
3 years it is HIGHLY unlikely that a car will fail so that study (done by an MR company) is bull****

The NADA and KBB values are used in US courts of law and JD Pay for Play Powers is NOT

3 years I need you to answer my question after taking a look at resale values and see what cars are worth more. Stop making bull**** excuses
Just like GM admitted they make **** cars you can to It will set you free

What’s with all the comments about the Cobalt? The Cobalt is a great, car, the best small car on the market… from every viewpoint, the exterior design is attractive for a small car, the interior design is excellent (for a terrible interior, see Honda Civic), the ECOTEC engine is the extremely smooth and powerful for a 4— feels like a 6, and fuel economy is class leading, expecially with the new 6 speed automatic transmission.

The car is very serviceable, and GM parts are cheap: Today I had a 2003 Toyota Camry come in with the Check Engine light on. The problem was that the heater circuit in the “air/fuel sensor”… Toyota’s version of an oxygen sensor, was open. The part was $180. A similar part from GM is only $60…………. and THEY DON’T GO BAD AT ONLY 60,000 MILES ON GM CARS!!!

1115,

I gave you 3 reputable sources. You have given NOTHING to refute that but your ad hominem BS.

NADA and KBB are for used car values. JDP evaluates QUALITY, RELIABILITY, and OWNER SATISFACTION. Those are different, I think you’ll agree.

PROVE the lower resale values are because of lower reliability. Were that actually the case, VW, BMW, Mini, Land Rover, Audi, and Mercedes-Benz would have the WORST resale values. Jeep vehicles hold their value among the best, but those ARE shown to be of low quality by the surveys you’ve just debunked.

Olds307,

The Cobalt doesn’t come with a 6-speed auto. You’re thinking of the Malibu. The Cobalt does have a cheap interior, comparatively. The exterior styling is totally anonymous, as well. But you’re right about the mileage being excellent. And so is the SS model.

tripleonefive-

You could learn a thing or two about disagreeing honorably. Just because you dislike a source does not mean that everyone does. inline6 is allowed to trust any source he wants and there are plenty of us who agree with him. So quit with the nonsense where you pretend your opinion counts more than anyone else’s opinion. You do not walk on water and neither does Honda. I do not care how often I have to relate this story: Honda made a 2008 Civic with side impact airbags that DID NOT DEPLOY when my sister was t-boned. That nugget of personal experience outweighs any of your boosterism of Honda, which just happens to be a Japanese automaker. On another note, please stop with the expletives. You are too smart to lower yourself to using expletives to make your point, which, otherwise, has some merit.

I stand corrected. I was thinking of the Pontiac G6.

Inline6, Wagoner was at GM all his life and he is almost 60 years old. He was CEO since 2000. Nardelli came from Home Depot (well sort of he was kicked out of Hume Depot) and Mullaly is a smart guy from Boeing who was seduced with fat paycheck after Billy Ford fuked up. Perhaps they are bright guys and not responsible for mess in the industry. It just gives more credence to what Iaccoca telling us: this problem is beyond repair (FUBAR as marine say). Are we trying to legislate construction of cars for the free market? if capitalism failed already (and it certainly did) there is no way congress can socialize the problem, toss coin at it and fix it. Detroit big 2.6 will sink one way or another. It is either they gonna die today or 4 years from now with 125-150 billions in red to the government; they already lost as much or even more of investors money.

My FACTS from NADA and KBB count more than your JD Powers. NADA and KBB are used in US courts of law THey evaluate new cars as well as used cars and they evaluate CARS get it CARS My source is valid and your source is not Please come with a valid source otherwise shut up and stop entertaining the idea of D3 cars being close to the J2 in quality JD Powers 3 year study cant tell how a car will perform on reliability for the long term.

The cars that GM has out now will take at LEAST 10-15 years with no problems and no major recalls to prove their worth. There is no study out now that can say that the car is reliable bc there isnt one on the road with over 100 k yet and their more than likely wont be due to the D3 track record

Anyone who argues opinion vs fact is an idiot and that seems to be you and the cowardly lion.
J2 Honda and Toyota build better cars than D3 does and its FACT due to the above mentioned reasons
As far as your 1 in a million story about your sister PLEASE Tell her to learn how to drive and I bet she knows about impact from T bones.

Wagoner is 55, was CEO since 2000 (and has worked at GM in some capacity since getting his MBA in 1977), so I think that shows 1) he’s committed to seeing the company survive and thrive. He has the experience to get the job done, and 2) the vast improvement in vehicle quality, fuel economy, reliability, design, and dynamcs that GM has undergone with him at the helm is staggering. It shows that he has the right plan.

The auto industry is FUBAR without a fundamental change in the way the unions and the laws work in America’s manufacturing sector. I, however, am more bullish about the effects of the UAW contract change set to begin in 2010, as well as the quality of the products that GM and Ford have in the hopper for the near term.

All things being equal, prepackaged bankruptcy would be the best option for the companies. But we can’t guarantee that customers will buy a bankrupt company’s products in sufficient quantities to ensure they’d be able to emerge from Ch11.

Tripleonefive-

Alright, sorry buddy. I did not realize I was dealing with an unstable individual. My apologies to those who have to love you. It is nice to know how much you regard the lives of others since you apparently have something against a woman who never did anything to you and who has owned three Hondas. Do you really wish to hurt Honda so badly that you are willing to associate them with yourself? Ah well, enough with the name calling. And just so you know, I am in law school and inline6’s sources can come into court cases, but I am done wasting time on you buddy.

1115,

NADA AND KBB ONLY EVALUATE USED CAR RESALE VALUES. They DO NOT evaluate vehicle quality and reliability. Using KBB to prove the reliability of ANYTHING is like using a ruler to prove something is purple.

WHERE is your proof that the Ford Fusion and Chevy Malibu are less reliable or more poorly built than the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord? You don’t have any.

The Mini retains its value better than any car on sale right now. But it’s consistently at the BOTTOM of the reliability surveys.

Your comment about recalls is even more asinine. Who has recalled more vehicles in the last 3 years? TOYOTA.

So shut up until you can find a source that proves your point about RELIABILITY, not resale values.

I still wanna know what the K stood for.

.
And 1115, stop raiding daddy’s liquor cabinet.

Inline
It’s the domestics job to prove they have reliability
You sound like a jackass when you try and turn it around
The Japanese have ZERO to prove to you, or anyone else here
Plenty of quality awards continue to go to Honda, Toyota and Lexus
Year after year, after year.

Pointing out the obvious to the oblivious?
Not a sound investment
Kinda like buying a Ford
DrFill

DrFill-

You are a very interesting cookie. Sometimes you extol the virtues of the domestics, but then you qualify it the next time around by saying they just cannot measure up to the Japanese. We are all starting from the same point, which is that the Domestics made a lot of mistakes in prior decades, but that just is not so anymore. You know Ford topped all of the Japanese for safety in the latest “source” (which tripleonefive is having a heart attack over as he attempts to portray it as not a “source”). There are even some “sources” (word of the day around here) that say Ford is on par with the Japanese for build quality. It all just comes down to perspective and you, DrFill, are smart enough to know that.

WHERE is your proof that the Ford Fusion and Chevy Malibu are less reliable or more poorly built than the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord? You don’t have any.
Ive already proven it with my point that they have less resale and have to wait 10 -15 years to show long term reliability
You have the burden of proof and the Honda and Toyota are the staples of the segment Deny it if you want
Over the last 25 years D3 has recalled more vehicles and 4 years ago GM recalled millions of vehciles and their trucks set homes on fire
My point is proven and I you can bring up the mini the maxi or whatever I dont care Honda and Toyota are more reliable than ANY comparable d 3 pile Its is proven and you made the comment so once again please prove your statement “vehicles competitive on quality and reliability to the Japanese”

Lion Im sure you are in law school lol and Im sure your sister is a nice person …who is a whore and cant drive Tell her next time she gives head she should be the passenger….

But this upcoming “change” will not make unions any more powerful or cut them out of equation. They probably will get seat on the board, and one way or another divert profits(pardon me there are no profits or even income to divert, they’ll be diverting our taxes) to their own. And I am not entirely disagree with unions: they cost only 10% of car price. Remaining 90% of failures are to be attributed to management, product management and marketing. From optimization point of view you should not worry about 10% of a problem and try to solve 90%. And that is what not solvable.

DrFill,

I’m saying that, according to industry experts (the ones I cited) the domestics have proven that they cars they’re building now, and have been building for the last 3 years are just as well-built and reliable as the Japanese’s are.

THEY ARE PROVING IT. 1115 is trying to say that, because Camrys and Accords hold their value better than Malibus and Fusions, they’re more reliable and better-built. He is (without providing ANY facts) saying that JDP, CR, Strategic Vision, etc. are all wrong, and that his RESALE VALUE sources prove GM/Ford build cars that are less reliable. I think that’s like using a ruler to prove something’s purple.

If his logic were correct, the Mini Cooper would be the highest-quality, most trouble-free vehicle available because it holds it value so well. It’s actually one of the most trouble-prone, along with a lot of other vehicles that hold their values well (Jeep Wrangler, any VW, Audi, BMW, Land Rover, etc.).

He’s giving his opinion, and saying that something that has NOTHING to do with the conversation proves it. That’s total bullsh*t.

1115,

I think that Gas mileage is a real indicator of how reliable a car will be. So then the Malibu, which gets 33mpg highway, must be as reliable as the Honda Fit. And the Tahoe Hybrid must be as reliable as the Camry. And the Cobalt must be more reliable than the Corolla. The EPA (our own governmental agency) releases those figures!

You say resale value proves reliability. Fine. I say EPA fuel economy estimates do. I win. You lose.

LOL you cant prove it I knew you couldnt bc your statement is FALSE There is no proof of anything you say

Funny. I cited sources. You haven’t given ONE FACT this whole idiotic conversation.

Leon
I presume you speak of the crash tests Safety Picks for Ford
They make safe cars now?
Great
And guess what
Toyota’s been doing that for years
Look up iihs.org
How many bad crash tests has Toyota EVER had?

Dodge Ram just had a 5-star crash test
Great!
Go bac to 2000
The last generation Tundra
Compare it’s crash test to F-150, Ram and Chevy
You might learn that safety is a fad in Detroit
Many standard safety features on Tundra are still options on Silverado

These recent occurances at the Broke 3 are old hat in Japan
Hate to break it to you
DrFill

DrFill,

Your post proves my point. Since 2000, when Wagoner became CEO, GM’s vehicles have become as safe as Toyota’s. In fact, the Saab 9-3 was the first car to get the IIIHS’s Double Best Pick award.

Why should Wagoner get fired for making GM’s vehicles safer?

Inline
Resale value comprises many factors, quality and reliability (there is a difference) only being a couple of factors

Many of the Broke 3 vehicles over the past 5-6 years are vastly better than their forebearers, and are SOMEWHAT competitive in function and even quality (rare, but they exists)

JDPower’s Durability Index showed Lexus is in another world of quality, as per usual, and the domestics are showing signs of brilliance, but Chevy Ford and Chrysler still trail Toyota and Honda significantly, so I’d stop passing out cigars

If you have a problem with CR and JDPower, guess what
That is YOUR problem
JDPower told Toyota they were building crap 35 years ago
CR said Toyota had some poor showings last year, for the first time in decades
Even the best have taken shots
It’s how you respond that counts
DrFill

Inline
Let’s calm down!
Vehicles for vehicle, GM ISN’T as safe as Toyota’s, but are better than the deathtraps from 10 years ago

I have been one of the few here who has said DON’T fire the current management, and have backed up Putz and Wagoner in particular. I like what GM is doing!

GM is they ONLY domestic mounting a credible defense in the car market.
They are heading in the right direction, as a matter of fact they are most of the way there
Makes Ford look like it’s standing still

The REAL problem is Elvis has left the building, and he ain’t coming back
Money can’t buy you love!
DrFill

drama

LOL

can someone define “reliable” for me?

Most of the time I see a car broken down on the side of the road it’s either a 2000s Japanese car or an OLD American car that maintenance has obviously been neglected.

Well, 8 years is a long damn time if you ask me, so perhaps it IS time to pump some fresh blood into the company. Just my 3 cents (damn inflation).

See you cant trump my NADA KBB argument Dont feel bad no one else could either and wont be able to

DrFill shut up! you do not know what your talking about. If GM is about to run out of cash in the middle of next month as Wagoneer has already stated to congress; then certainly GM does’nt have a clue on how to properly manage their own finances first and foremost; and ergo, one can MORE than assume they don’t know how to properly run their business. So with that kind of financial mismanagement on GM’s part does not qualify them sir. ok

However, I am still in favor of the big three getting assistance as they should from our government. I think both the comments Inline 6 and the gentleman after made are dead accurate. is absolutely right we do NOT need to change management at the Big Three. That’s not the problem.

The problem is mulitple things at this point you have the credit crunch caused by lenders giving folks who can’t truely afford a home a mortage and second the oil prices went beserk, and plus all the layoffs, global down turn as well this caught them off guard. Could Ford, Chrysler or even lowly GM made a Prius or Honda Civic Hybrid fighter Hmm yes. Did they no. But if you look at even Honda or Toyota their feeling the impact of the down turn as well.. You guys listening to Dundered heads like Chris Dodd looking to change CEO’s or Dingo’s like Nancy Pelosi looking to put a 90 year old geeser as a car czar are full of it. These Law makers/ Senators and White House Staff are good for one thing absolutely NOTHING.

The bottom line u can’t let these auto manufacturers fail. I’ll give you an education since you obviously need One in this matter. If the US no longer manufactures any Engines of any kind; then what powers our Military??

Think about it. I know some of you will have a Brain fart over this one. You can not rely on a outside or foreign Engines if we needed to go to war.

I need to point out to you the things the Big three are doing right.
Lets start with Ford their are the least in trouble since they have a financial wing to rely on.
Ford is brings to market both smaller Direct Injection/Turbochargered motors to market under ecoboost
and Mulally says they will have an Electric by 2011

Chrysler is in the works to bring a Electric Vehicles to the market in 2011
GM is to also bring a Electric Vehicle to market under the volt

Thank you
Captain Obvious

As YOU probably don’t know, most of the fixed costs are contracted, and were inherited by this administration

Telling us what COULD happen in 2010 does us a lot of golod
All of these companies could be bankrupt by then!

Here and now, GM is just about competitive globally at least with their product
Ford and Chrysler are not

I’m all for a bailout, but not a welfare system
Let me know when you have an original thought
DrFill

DFill their is only one product that GM has yet to bring to market that may make a difference Its the much talked about Chevy Volt and that sir is the only ONE Product that could make a difference. Could being the operative word here if Gm knew what it was doing but does’nt! That is if it were done correctly. But it appears GM will botch that too.

. But wait, First off Volt is not Offically even a product yet, because it s NOT in, on, or under the market place as if yet! So you can’t EWVEN buy one. So where am I going with this. You can’t get one.

Secondly even if you could buy one and most importantly Volt’s lack luster Electric performance specifications its only able to eek out 40 miles before the battery goes dead and needs to go looking for an electrical outlet. Thsi would drive most owners crazy. Plus according to inside sources it will be way over priced starting at $40,000 K and to most working class people they could not afford it.
I mean if 40 miles is ALL you get between charges; then that not only sucks but its unacceptable. Better have a real long extension cord available if you get it. So I and most of the buying public ain’t goin for that extension cord boloney. Now if you want a real global competitor then Nissan is more serious in this reguard about its electric vehicles in its new and upcoming cube and promises a range of 200 + miles that at least is decent range between charge cycles that people can live with.

So. 40 miles does’nt cut the muster DrQuack with most cars shoppers. So ergo you have no REAL argument for GM being competitive in the global market..

Don’t mention Aveo which is a piece of junk or Impala that picked up on the Old Ford Taurus design theme. I have yet to see one product that Speaks of the Future of Transportation from GM. None
All I ever hear coming out of GM is Bull Loney and about how big and bad and stupid they are. That’s a about it. Nothing more nothing less. Sure the quality of their cars and trucks has improved but they still have eons to catch Ford much less the Imports

Case in point, GM has absolutely nothing to compare to the Coolness of the Honda Civic or Insight ok just does’ nt.
Everything about the interior of GM speaks of two things. Copy this copy that copy that and Cheapness. No origiinality whatsoever. oh yeah originallity when it comes to crap and something that falls apart maybe but that’s about it.

The same for Toyota they have a much better line up than anything GM has to offer that is a Fact!

Ford meanwhile has Ecoboost to reduce the size of their engine that not only deliver higher horsepower but saves fuel as well. DIrect Injection Um lets take a look at GM shall we. Old still fooling around with old
Push rods with out multivalve engines in performance cars like the Corvette. Kind of Dinosaurish if you ask me. Yes

Oh yeah and by the way your just the run of the Mill GM ass kisser DR Fill. I have run into plenty of your type of GM retard who will love GM’s dumbness to the absolute bitter end.

Just so you know I have driven plenty of Brand new GM vehicles (Junk Piles) as my father had owned every brand that GM owns. OR Heck maybe I should just save your inflated ego the trouble and just call them what they are all rebadged Chevys, because that is what GM is still doing!!!!!. No differences between them. Same Motor and Chassis just different gay styling. Take a look at Buick Enclave and Chevy Traverse, Plus too other nameless brands overlappying that. SS Different Junk pile by GM. That’s it smy friend. if you call that innovation and being globally competitive then your off your rocker. And go see a shrink to minimize your sense of self grandeur for GM.

I’m sick of 5 or 6 different brands that claim to be different but are’nt souped up, gaudy, and rebadged Chevy because that is all they are. Their is no difference. its the same difference.
Oh yeah My father owned Ford and Honda too and those vehicles were all amazing and Great to drive unlike GM.

Is that what Steve Jobs will look like in 20 years?!

bankrupcy2009…… great long post proving you dont know what you’re talking about.

and I guess I’m not the only one who kept seeing Steve Jobs in that picture!