Hmmm, so domestic manufacturer’s cars get better fuel economy than comparable japanese competitors? 1115 must be spitting blood…

Thank you Mazda, Ford Euro….

No but Im sure the soup is buring your mouth
The 2010 Camry and Accord arent out yet so history has shown that these two cars are the leaders in the class and when 2010 comes we can talk also when 2018 comes we can see if the Fusion is a reliable car
We can also see how Pontiac is doing being a “niche” brand

What happened to the 1980’s when all sorts of bubble back Japenese cars got better highway MPG than that?

Good Job Ford! Keep up the Japanese Ass Whooping!!!!!!!!!

Good Job Ford! Keep up the Japanese Ass Whooping!!!!!!!!!
Not in reliability and resale I would glady give those up for a reliable car MPG’s mean nothing when your car is in the repair shop and you are on the bus
The funny part is you people are getting excitied over mpg’s WOW

Congrats on the mileage figures … now go back and design something less bland with a less-overdone grill and more pronounced headlights … the front end is unacceptable.

Looks like Ford has a winner here! I hope they can keep this up.

Forget the Japs … they’ve got more important things to worry about than the new and improved domestics which are on par now … their currency is killing them and it gets worse. Their financials won’t look so good as the US dollar plummets to its eventual demise before the middle of 2012 … mark it on your calendars folks.

The dollar is dead. Buy gold.

Thank god Ford actually “pulled the trigger” on a bold design. Bold, non-generic design + great gas milage is the formula for resurrection.

Cool. The middle of 2012 is just before the next presidential election. Looks like President Palin!

this is a ford??? i thought it was a honda! god job ford!

@1115

Ford’s reliability is through the roof, especially compared to Toyota (do some research). And the Accord and Camry just went through major platform revisions, so I doubt seriously that they are going to make up a 3mpg deficit (or roughly 9%) very easily.

What irritates the fire out of me is that Honda was stupid enough to drop the V6 hybrid in favor of a diesel that isn’t even out yet. What were they thinking? I love my Accord Hybrid. It gets great gas mileage, 26 MPG city and 31 MPG highway (real, measured values over 75k miles) and it’s got more cojones than any of the current V6 options in the class. I’d gladly buy a new one today if it were available since mine is over 80K miles and is nearing the end of its extended warranty.

Can Need more oil for GM defend himself now? A car that beats the Malibu in gas mileage, reliability, safety, technology, and pretty much everything else. Nothing to say about that period. Great car I would buy one in a heartbeat.

The Fusion is the best kept secret in this segment. Now the new Fusion has best in class fuel economy…safety equal to the Accord and superior to the Camry…greater dependability then the Japs… the fresh design makes it more exciting(that is objective)…it is also less expensive then the Japs. This is the best value car in the segment by far. Great job Ford.

1115: Your argument against the new Ford that is either in showrooms now or soon will be, and has been certified by the EPA, is that it isn’t competitive with the new Jap cars that haven’t even been announced, much less are available???? That’s a pretty good one, especially considering those jap cars aren’t even competitive with a GM that’s been on the market for a while, fuel economy wise (and fuel economy is what’s important to this article, and beating the jap manufacturers at fuel economy is what jap fanboys such as yourself have accused Detroit of being incapable of doing, even as they are in fact doing it).

Seriously, is there any “ignore” feature on this message board, or are we forced to sort through moronic rantings such as 1115’s with every thread? I’m relatively new to this website and have already become tired of 1115. I’ve yet to see anything of any intelligence or meaningful contribution to any discussion spew from his keyboard. Every freakin’ thread, he pollutes with his factless, baseless fanboy rantings! I am reminded of the classic Warner Brothers cartoons where the big bulldog is constantly pestered by the small, yappy dog constantly digging for attention.

…and acknowledgement. Forgive me, other, more sensible LNN members, for I have sinned by providing him it. It’s just that I’ve read enough of his foolishness and this comparing a real car to an imaginary one and assuming the imaginary one will be better just because it’s got a funny shaped H or T on the grille just pushed me over the edge. I’m certain he’ll try to goad me into an E-fight, but I promise I won’t fall to his level (again – this current rant notwithstanding).

Welcome back, Detroit. There are those of us who have missed you. Maybe, just maybe, some of us will look past our blinders and even forgive you.

By the way, I might point out that the most recent issue of Car and Driver rated the Fusion Hybrid #1 in a comparo between it, the Camry, and the Altima*.

Think about it: Car and Driver magazine actually rated a Ford ahead of a Toyota. The apocalypse is upon us.

*The Malibu “hybrid lite” was in the comparo too, but it was simply outclassed by the others. Not neccessarily an inferior car, but definitely didn’t belong in that comparison of “real” hybrids.

Wow, it alost gets the same mileage as the Focus.

tyler_is_aero_tt

HAHA! Right on man!

Both the Fusion and Malibu are great cars, the Malibu just beat out the Accord and Camry for the second year in a row to receive Automobile magazines 09 All-Star award in the mid-size class. Times have clearly changed, if you can’t see it, it may be time to visit your eye Doctor.

I think I now have found my next commuter vehicle.

Good job Ford, it’s nice to see you rally like this.

Great job Thunder Chicken

Right on!!

Your Comment”Not in reliability and resale I would glady give those up for a reliable car MPG’s mean nothing when your car is in the repair shop and you are on the bus
The funny part is you people are getting excitied over mpg’s WOW”

Fusion is reliable and the 2010 model is superior to camry and accord in every conceivable way. BTW, the Accord I-4 with auto only gets 30mpg, not 31 as stated above. In fact, thats about the same highway mileage as a four cylinder Avenger. The 6 also only manages 30mpg on the highway.

Now the top 5 midsize four cylinders in mileage are domestic branded. Mazda and Honda are brining up the rear. If GM adds DI to their 2.4L engines like in the Equninox mileage will improve by at least 1mpg to better compete with Ford. What will import humpers say to discount the Fusion? I am becoming more of a Ford fan every day.

“Think about it: Car and Driver magazine actually rated a Ford ahead of a Toyota. The apocalypse is upon us.”

That is even more surprising than Obama being elected. Times are a changing and some people just wont get out of the past. 1115 is chief amongst them.

sj79-

I’m with you buddy, but 1115 serves a purpose. As 1115 has, I believe, stated, he is not against the domestics . . . he just refuses to acknowledge their short-term gains. Most of us disagree with him, but if his rants keep Ford from resting on its laurels then I am all for it! The only thing that can stop an American comeback in the auto industry is complacency. So, let 1115 keep bad-mouthing them. I’m sure a few Ford engineers peruse car forums once in awhile and 1115 gives them a reason to stay motivated. For all we know, tripleonefive is a Ford shareholder who is egging them on to protect his investment . . . I doubt it, but it sure makes his rants more palatable.

Even better is you can still get this with a 3 pedal setup. I remember way back when I bought a new 1990 Plymouth Acclaim with the 2.5 and the 5 spd manual. It didn’t look very exciting but it was fun to drive, got great mileage and had tons of room. And to think it only had about 110 horse compared to the 175 in this new Fusion.

‘mayer’, if Palin wins the country deserves to be annihilated by some kind of Chinese attack. Bush was bad enough.

sj79 – “I am becoming more of a Ford fan every day.”

So am I. The most reliable car I ever owned was a Ford, and I may be going back soon.

LionWithoutPride – “For all we know, tripleonefive is a Ford shareholder who is egging them on to protect his investment.”

The only thing Triple One Five holds is his puny wiener in his hand.

Just read that according to a Consumer Reports, Ford was ranked as one of the top three brands (along with Toyota and Honda) by consumers surveyed. Hopefully that, plus class leading mileage will help them stabilize their business. My personal experience with a Ford has been very positive.

… Oh, having said that, my experiences with Acura have been better, so there’s still room for improvement.

Once again Good Job Ford your headed in the right direction. Don’t get complacent! OR I’ll Slap you!

Why do you people constantly feed the trolls that are 1115 anf the need more oil for GM guy? both are Trolls, both are losers, yet you all keep giving them the attention they crave.

Rover3500
Exactly! I’ve said this numerous times too. These goofs either just like it or are stupid which is no ones fault but their own. Too bad can’t just have a forum where there are sane level headed comments (like Beatus most of the time). Most of these poster are just smart asses as you say craving attention.

Ford’s reliability is through the roof, especially compared to Toyota (do some research).

The research shows that Toyota and Honda hold their value better. The 90 day JD Powers and CR reports mean nothing bc the car has not stood the test of time like I have said many times before

I need some proof that the Accord is 30mpg lol You will say anything against J2 Not that it matters because the Accord and Camry are still the class leaders and the Fusion and Malibu have uphill battles
The short term doesnt matter bc the long term reliability of the car and the brand is what counts

Rover Nippon Beat iare more who cant defeat my argument Try provididng a link or a quote and add to the thread. Sorry losers the gang mentality has no bearing here since one of you cant prove that D3 cars have a higher resale or reliability than J2 …and you are not going to be able to until around 2018 Keep trying though

There is no victory for d3 until they are taking buyers out of the imports at a rate of 50% or more and the D3 cars have the same or higher resale of the J2 comp. Im not counting a few mpg as a victory This is not going to make people go out and buy the Fusion based on what I said earlier

Not sure where you come from 1115 but if I want to keep a car until 2018 I’m not getting a Toyota unless I don’t drive it in the winter. In the north country they’ll be rusted out long before D3 cars. Camry’s been the best selling car for 10 years now but there are few old camry’s around. There are luminas and taurus’s still alive and kicking tho… The public is brainwashed. CR doesn’t compile their data from random sampling so that CR magazine has about the same value as toilet paper…according to any knowlegable statician.

I like to feed 1115 just because his reactions are so funny. He reminds me of the part when Napoleon Dynamite was telling the story of shooting 50 badgers with a 12 gauge shotgun in order to save his cousin.

Short term DOES matter. That’s what attracts the people. Long term matters, too, because that’s what causes people to return. If they buy in for the attraction and thrill at first, but there is no real substance, they will discard the vehicle and try something new. However, there should be a good initial attraction, too, or else there is little interest. I guess buying a car is kind of like finding a woman. I think it’s safe to say that GM’s cars are like the hot blonde chicks that are built like brick $#¡†houses – great trophies, wonderful sex, but only talk about shampoo and nail polish and end up being psychotic later on. Toyotas and Hondas are like short, ugly chicks – they treat you well, make great friends, and are good for long term relationships, but you are embarrassed at first to tell your friends you have one. Euro cars are the gorgeous, intelligent women that are extremely high maintenance and will bleed you dry. But every now and then, you find one that gives you the best of everything – one that looks great, never stops working, doesn’t cost a lot of money to maintain, never makes too much noise, is able to thrill when you need it, keeps you smiling and will make you cry if you lose it. I’ve been lucky to have three cars like that, but even luckier to have a wife like that.

But I’ll be honest, I never would have approached my wife if I didn’t think she was pretty. I also would never look at a car that I didn’t think looked good. And this new Fusion is looking good.

As far as proof, well, my 1992 Ford Escort was the most reliable car I ever owned. That’s all the proof THIS buyer needs.

Great stuff beatus, and all true. I’m not quite sure what that makes me since I’ve been married to same woman for 17 years but we’ve gone through literally 50 vehicles including the 7 we own now. Can they lock you up for automotive polygamy?

‘beatus’, check your eyesight … this Fusion isn’t looking that good. Sure, not as bad as a Camry or Accord but really … bland behind the front wheels and wrong in front of them.

Makes me wonder what your wife REALLY looks like if you’re complimenting this car.

There are Luminas and Taurus’s still alive and kicking tho…Please provide some proof to back this up bc I don’t see any Taurus or Luminas, Celebrities or even the Malibus around. I see Accords &Camrys

The public is brainwashed- The idiots on this board are brainwashed into thinking D3 cars are better than yesteryear without proof

CR doesn’t compile their data from random sampling so that CR magazine has about the same value as toilet paper…according to any knowlegable statician.
When did I say I believed CR ?
Also D3 has the same value of toilet paper and every time I hear someone lie and say they are reliable I want to take a ****

beatusmongous last post nade a lot of sense (look up sarcasm) 1992 Ford Escort was the most reliable car I ever owned. That’s all the proof THIS buyer needs.He is obviously an idiot

Nice work Ford.

Wait everyone, those numbers for the Camry was a 09 model. The 2010 has a new 2.7L 4 cyl and 6 speed auto so it may match these numbers.

Good job Ford, though. I’ve been somewhat partial to Ford since I was raised with them, and I maybe naive, but they are more of a family company that cares more than the rest of the auto conglomerates. They are the American company.

1115 You are such a wanker, end of story.

One could argue that surveys, and reviews from sources like Car & Driver, Consumer Reports, and others are “proof” of the reliability of a company’s products… people have been relying on this type of info for years.

Speaking from personal experience (specifically in terms of reliability), Honda and Ford products were great, Mazda (RX-8) was horrendous, while BMW and Porsche were somewhere in between.

I’m not sure that reliability has to do with a company’s national origin as much as the way a company conducts its business.

I’ve purchased the following vehicles either new or with less than 5000 miles:

1) 1998 Ford Escort Sport. We kept this car for 4 years and in this time it never had a single unscheduled service visit except to replace a flat tire. My wife still pines for that car.

2) 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT Wow, what a hunk of junk. This thing was put together by drunken monkeys on a binge. The interior not only fell apart in under a year, but the carpet grew mold that was nearly indestructible, and the passenger seat collected condensation during humid weather that dripped into the mold and continuously fed it. This being a horrible car was horribly disappointing because I had owned a 1991 Eclipse GS which I absolutely adored.

3) 2001 Ford Focus Wagon SE. This was the replacement for the Escort when we had a baby and needed a bigger car. Although this car was way more reliable than the Eclipse it wasn’t quite as good as the Escort. The Focus was notorious for problems with the steering rack leaking power steering fluid and there was a recall about it. We had to have the repair twice but never paid a penny for it. As with the Escort, we had zero out of pocket repair expenses except for tires.

4) 2001 Mazda Millenia. This was the replacement for the Eclipse when we had a baby and needed a bigger car. This car was rock-solid and used the same 2.5L Duratec V6 found in the Contour and Taurus. As with the other cars under the Ford umbrella we had no out of pocket repair expenses and this one never saw the inside of a dealership’s service department.

5) 2003 Dodge RAM Laramie Hemi. This was a fantastic vehicle. Fast. Sexy. Great interior. Perfect seats. I’d still have this truck today if an illegal alien driving his girlfiriend’s Explorer (thankfully insured) hadn’t pulled out in front of her at 45 MPH. The truck would have been repairable except for the 4 foot deep ditch that bent the frame as she plowed into it trying to avoid the Explorer (which was not a successful attempt). I really miss this truck, as does my wife.

6) 2004 Nissan Titan SE. This was the replacement for the Ram after it was totalled. It’s a great truck and I haven’t had a single mechanical failure, but have had to have an unscheduled service to have the driver’s side window re-seated after it dislodged because it was frozen to the weather stripping. I’ve racked up a lot of miles in this truck and my only complaints are uncomfortable seats (compared to the Ram) and horrible, horrible fuel mileage as the best I’ve ever gotten was 16.1 MPG and the average is 14.5 MPG.

7) 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid. I’ve owned three Accords (the others were a 1984 Accord hatchback and a 1992 Accord EX sedan), and though this one is the largest, most luxurious and gets the best mileage, I’ve had the most problems with it. Honda basically put out a beta software package wihen they introduced the car and I had to take it to the dealership for issues with the active noise cancellation and a mandatory software upgrade to protect the life of the hybrid’s battery. I’ve put a lot of hard miles on this car and mechanically it has been sound. Once the software issues were fixed it’s been a great car.

The point of all of this? Ford has been good to us, and Honda has as well (except for beta-testing the software for the hybrid). Dodge and Nissan have also been good to us. I’ll never buy another Mitsubishi after my 2000 Eclipse experience.

I’ve owned many more used cars but since it wouldn’t be fair to use them in this list because of prior owner abuse, I can tell you that the ones that were trouble-free were my 1984 Accord, 1986 CRX, 1991 Eclipse GS, 2002 Accord, and 2004 Dakota 4×4.

What’s wonderful to experience is the rise in quality of both Ford and Dodge since the 1990’s. I’ve come to take Hondas for granted when it comes to quality, but the absolute most trouble-free vehicles I’ve owned have been the 1998 Escort and the 2001 Millenia, both of which are Ford products.

That’ll work!