Comments on: Automotive writer charged in pedestrian’s death

By: BLISS

BLISS — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:33:38 +0000

SORRY TO HEAR

By: lamboz get a life

lamboz get a life — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:19:52 +0000

What?? Get some original comebacks, stupid little kid.
My Dad died in a horrific car crash by a drunk driver whom was textmessaging while talking on the cellphone, eating Mcdonalds, drinking hot coffee, jacking off, and punishing her kids in the back seat.
Wow, your not only young and dumb, your cold. While my Dad rest in peace , taking a dirt nap, sleeping with earthworms, you make jokes
Yep this is fun.
Especially fun because I out talk you because your mentally retarded.

By: tripleonefive

tripleonefive — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:42:46 +0000

wow thats 6 thread and counting I like your mom she needs comapnyu after your dad died Kill yourself lol
this is fun

By: jackjimturkey

jackjimturkey — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:55:28 +0000

fake Gm sales: this is going to be confusing.
Camaro’s a perfectly fine car. I’d rather have than than one of those PBADs with a giant spoiler and a fart can.
No V6, though.

Ford should not be held responsible, but this is Cali, and I’m sure as Driven said, the lawyer’s will go after the deepest pockets.

By: jackjimturkey

jackjimturkey — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:16:35 +0000

GMSales: It’s not the car, it’s the driver.
You might argue that a Camaro will have better brakes, and therefore give the driver a better chance of stopping in time, but If the driver’s not paying attention …

By: DomKing

DomKing — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:33:06 +0000

I hate to admit it, but, the horsepower wars will only lead to more of these accidents, and it makes absolutely no difference who manufactured the car. Driving a sports car very hard and fast on an open road is as thrilling as it gets. Unfortunately, some selfish morons can’t seem to keep it on the freeways or the track. Only severe penalties like license suspensions and jail time will help deter the irresponsible ones.

By: 1c3d0g

1c3d0g — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:43:57 +0000

I’m with Commodore on this one. How do you blame Ford for this incident while it’s clear that the driver lost control of the vehicle?!?

By: Commodore

Commodore — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:08:34 +0000

Agreed ^

By: norby413

norby413 — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:39:51 +0000

This forum has gone beyond pointless.
Thanks children.

By: Scarface03

Scarface03 — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:10:12 +0000

Autonut–generally speaking in this context, parents are responsible for the actions of their children only if the parents reasonably believed that their children would drive the car dangerously. Ford’s on the hook (potentially) only if there was something wrong mechanically with the car itself (or if the there was an inherent flaw in the design). If there was something wrong with the car, I’m sure the lawyers will find out and sue Ford.

We don’t know the details about this case, but in my mind, I’m suprised things like this don’t happen more often. Auto journalists take great pride in their shenanigans on on the road–constantly boasting about their speeding tickets or exploiting twisty on-ramps. We’ve all read about them.

Car mags go to great lengths to rent out tracks and stick to safe testing, the journalists have no business exceeding speed limits or power oversteering onto an interstate, and the like, on public roads. And, GotHandling?, I don’t care if its far away from where you think pedestrians might be. This accident, however improbable it might of seemed, shows that it’s probable enough to NOT engage in this behavior.

If it was a freak accident, well those happen, no matter how tragic the results. But all we know from the article is that the accident apparently occurred while the driver was shifting gears. And if it turns out he was heel-and-toeing through a curve, focusing his shaky vision on the perfect line through an apex with the tach in the power and torque sweet spot and 500 bhp under his foot on a public?… what’s not GROSSLY negligent about that scenario?….

I hope this starts the wave of change for all auot journalists. Whatever Fillipponino was doing when he ended Jamieson’s life, it was likely very preventable, and wouldn’t have–in the slightest–sold any more magazines or spawned any more hits on a website than if he was just driving safely.

By: jackjimturkey

jackjimturkey — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:01:48 +0000

Madcapp: people are responsible for their own actions. If someone can’t control real HP, maybe he should consider an A—a.

getreal: “A Ford Pinto could go fast given enough time and a straight road” How long is enough time, four days? But, you’re fight about Automobile.

GM sales: a yogo or a Bentley could be a deadly car, under the wrong circumstances

By: Driven

Driven — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:38:20 +0000

Foriegncarssuck & scott kempton, Re-read my comment… I DID NOT WRITE FORD WAS AT FAULT. You both got so excited and jumped all over my comment before reading it carefully. All I said is Ford would be named in a civil suit. And Ford will be named because Ford holds the title to the car and Ford gave the car to the journalist.

Its a different set of rules in civil court than criminal court. Ford isnt criminally responsible but they are partially responsible under civil law since Ford is the owner of the car and lent the car to the journalist.

Loan your car to a friend and the friend kills someone. You are not at fault but you can be sued since the accident happened in a car you own. Ford is in that situation now and since Ford has the deepest pockets of all civilly responsible (journalist, magazine, Ford) they will definitely be named in the suit.

Foriegncarssuck, I know this idea of responsibility under civil law is difficult to understand. But I suggest you pick up a book once in a while before you start calling other people stupid or dumbasses. The only stupid dumbass on this site is you for attacking others comments before fully understanding the concepts behind what the person was writing.

By: Hugh Jass

Hugh Jass — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:53:41 +0000

Depends where on the PCH – ask Stefan “I used to drive an Enzo” Eriksson.

By: buytheredcar

buytheredcar — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:26:52 +0000

Lost control of the car while shifting?
I think there is more to this story. Perhaps we will never know

Was the guy working while this happened?
Magazines dont test cars on PCH.
You cant really drive that fast on PCH anyway…

By: autonut

autonut — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:34:56 +0000

AgmLauncher, it seems that you mastered law and ready to move onto brain surgery. American Law is based on British legal doctrines. Perhaps 30-50% of humanity are following those legal principals.
If Ford sold the vehicle, the owner would be responsible, but it was Ford property and was landed for publicity sake. The woman got killed and they stuck with bad publicity. If I let my child who has driver license to drive my car and and my kid commit a crime in the process, how am I NOT responsible? Actually as a parent I am not responsible for the crime itself, but I will be responsible for financial damages. I may be wrong, since I am NOT an attorney.

By: Get Real

Get Real — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:06:29 +0000

I stopped buying Motor Trend because all they cared about was how fast the car went. Never a word about problems or reliability.

A Ford Pinto could go fast given enough time and a straight road. Big Deal. Stop and get blown up from behind or watch the window crank break off in your hand.

I read Automobile, a magazine that lists car failures.

BUT nobody can compare to the complaints listed on this website.

By: Rotman

Rotman — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:06:58 +0000

He was doing 75mph according to this post:

http://www.ocregister.com/news/filipponio-jamieson-park-1848067-crash-police

By: fisher321

fisher321 — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:04:36 +0000

I corrected the spelling to Filipponio ( 2 Ps ) and came up with auto blog as his employer.

By: fisher321

fisher321 — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:42:43 +0000

I googled Frank Filiponio and it appears he writes for Barrett-Jackson.

By: AgmLauncher

AgmLauncher — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:23:45 +0000

Of course Ford SHOULDN’T be held responsible, but that’s not how the American “justice” system works. The “justice” system basically allows lawyers to make connections to things you can’t possibly make any logical connections to, AND get away with it.

It also ends up that way because judges/juries miss the forest for the trees.

It’s simple: the OPERATOR of the vehicle is the sole cause of this accident. Not the company he works for, not Ford, not the company that made the tires, not the company that sold the steel to Ford, just the OPERATOR.

How on EARTH you can hold other people accountable for the actions of the operator is beyond me :S

But the American “justice” system allows for that so……

By: Rotman

Rotman — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:56:16 +0000

If the car jumped the curb and travelled a considerable distance, I’m reasonably sure the driver crossed the speed limit by quite a few miles and is 100% responsible for this woman’s death. Not the car.

By: tripleonefive

tripleonefive — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:21:32 +0000

When I saw the pic of the woman I took it to be the woman driving. I made a mistake Mr Frank whatever was the driver so the woman was the one who died Either way her pic shouldnt have been shown
The xxxxxxx drivng the car or a mechanical failure in Ford or a combo of the two caused the accident

By: Got Handling?

Got Handling? — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:36:08 +0000

Agreed very sad, but ultimately just an accident. The journalist was on the open road outside of town, away from pedestrians, which is probably the right time and place to be hauling ass unless we feel that it should be stopped altogether. Remember that the car had to jump a curb and travel a considerable distance from the road before it found its unfortunate victim.
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This is not Ford’s fault, and it may not even be the journalist’s fault but it is the journalist’s responsibility. As conscientious enthusiasts of performance cars we must take responsibility for the results of driving high performance cars or else governments will be right to deprive us of them. The prosecutors would appear to have made a good decision.
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1115, what kind of twisted mysogenistic halfwit do you have to be to blame this crash on the woman?

By: Elvio

Elvio — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:33:33 +0000

Foreigncarssuck

By: Cyclone of Red

Cyclone of Red — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:40:58 +0000

But bottom line, that’s sad. I do feel for her family and fiancé. It’s such a meaningless way to go.

By: tripleonefive

tripleonefive — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:40:13 +0000

When the article was first posted there was a pic of a woman Im guessing it was the women who caused the crash They changed it to the pic you see now

By: R1GHT30U5

R1GHT30U5 — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:21:25 +0000

What a sad story for all involved. Goes to show you there is a time and place for hauling of the ass. This was the wrong time and place and I am sure restraint was not used.

You have to think about the consequences of your actions before you make a move.

By: Deanster

Deanster — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:08:50 +0000

Obviously there is no fault with the car, and I would venture to say that losing control on a twisty highway is not so out of the ordinary. Happens in Mediterranean countries all the time – go to any Greek island and witness the small shrines set up at the edges of the roads – each one represents someone’s death in an MVA.

By: Americancarssuckkkkk

Americancarssuckkkkk — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:06:50 +0000

It’s just my opinion dont like it dont read it. And you are not loking in the mirrow Foreigncarssuck dont confuse me with you.

By: Foreigncarssuck

Foreigncarssuck — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:56:46 +0000

comment above, Are you in kintergarden still? Or just that stupid?

By: Americancarssuckkkkk

Americancarssuckkkkk — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:38:32 +0000

Blame de car maker for lending car with 500bhp to a jackass that dont now how to shift. They shoud be more carefull to how they lend there cars to.

By: Foreigncarssuck

Foreigncarssuck — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:26:38 +0000

^^^^ TRUE!

By: jamaicandude

jamaicandude — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:17:10 +0000

Sad news. C’mon guys… does it matter what kind of car killed her? You can’t hold car manufacturers responsible for driver error or indiscretion. It doesn’t matter whether the story said 500hp Shelby Mustang, 900 plus hp Veyron or 1200hp Shelby Ultimate Aero. Barring mechanical failure of some sort, the auto manufacturers can’t be held responsible.

By: Foreigncarssuck

Foreigncarssuck — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:03:31 +0000

HAHAHA TOZO THAT IS TRU! TRU DAT ! HAHAHAHA

By: TOZO

TOZO — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:58:12 +0000

It’s sad, but if it was a Chinese car, the pedestrian would have been unscratched & the driver, the journalist, would have been crunched to death in his car.