Saw a g8 today and damn it looked good.

Lame, give me a G35 S over this thing any day, it looks better, has a better interior, and despite having 50 less horsepower its 0-60 is exactly the same.

The GXP will be my next car bitches.

I love how GM is using imports to fuel the “American Revolution”. Too funny…

Also, especially from the front, this car just screams 3-series wannabe.

So this guy’s big huge beefs about the G8 are that:
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… 1) he doesn’t like the name brand on the radio,
… 2) he has to turn a dial to adjust his seatback, and
… 3) he doesn’t have a pretty little nav system to guide
………. him to work so he can pretend to be cool.
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Pretty much I’d say the author is overly fixated on absolutely trivial garbage and as such is as much a poseur as teh lame fake hood scoops he cites.

Also with no paddle shifters and not a lot of tech and electronic comforts this care pales in comparison to the Infiniti, the only deciding factor will be the 4k price difference. However I think it is a moot point considering Infiniti cars come loaded with almost all the options right from the get-go and I would much rather pay 4k extra for a car that is leagues above in overall quality and matches the G8’s performance with a better transmission option (the paddles). The G35’s lower horsepower rating and its V6 also provide much better fuel economy, theres really no contest. Also someone please tell me how the G35 can match the G8’s performance with a smaller engine and less horsepower? Japs know how to make engines thats why.

C’mon mayer_ray. It’s tough to be subjective when you’ve got GM holding a gun to your head while getting head from LLN. Poor guy couldn’t be sure what was likely to go off first.

Those may seem like minor complaints but they are features that other cars have other better cars from Honda Nissan Toyota and Even Dodge for Christ sake
If this thing is GM or Pontiacs savior they are in deep **** I got into this thing at the NY Auto show and the door sounded like a tin can and someone commented on it The interior is a mix of cheap plastics and nice plastic.
Its weird Get a Maxima or TL

The GTO only had the LS1 for one year, 2004. When the 2005 GTO came out it had the LS2, hood scoops split rear exhaust tips and optional 18-inch wheels. 2006 saw a few add-ons over the 2005, like the black background tail lights, lighted steering wheel controls and a door lock button on the center console.

I love how GM is using imports to fuel the “American Revolution”.”

Wrong brand. This is a Pontiac.

XM radio is being added for 2009 along with Bluetooth. I agree it should get a 6 way seat.

“If this thing is GM or Pontiacs savior they are in deep **** I got into this thing at the NY Auto show and the door sounded like a tin can and someone commented on it The interior is a mix of cheap plastics and nice plastic.
Its weird Get a Maxima or TL”

the doors on the maxima and TL and G35 feel just as light as those on the G8. What the hell are you talking about? Nissan is known for having doors that feel like they are made of paper. Then again, I should consider the source of the complaints and not take them too seriously. Everything you seem to post is inaccurate. Why not just move to Japan?

All of these comparisons to the GTO are stupid. The GTO was already 5 years old when it came to the US and based on an aged Holden platform. On top of that it was a coupe and it started at $32k or so. The G8 is on a modern platform, has a practical sedan layout and starts at $27k. It’s not the GTO.

BORING!

Well actually sj79 you should call your XM a Sirus radio since it sold out to Sirus Mmmmkay. Johnnycanuck you too funny.

As for 400horseSS lame comment. You can be my personal bitch then after I get the Ford TwinForce V6 powered Taurus and put you and your V8 powered Pontiac GXP to Shame!

The Twinforce name sucks, sorta like bi-power for bi-sexuals, have fun in your v6 milfmobile real men drive v8’s pimp.

You won’t think its Boy except when the TwinForce sucks the doors right off your Antiquated Poniac’s V8 when I blow right past ya. hahaha All 595 HP!

I spent 12 days driving a Commodore. If this is a straight (LHD) rebadge, it’s a winner.
Nav is useless (I live in [far] Southern California).
G35 is cool, too. The “TL” is a joke.
And an accord.

Placing this vehicle in the same category as the G35 is a compliment to GM/Holden, and thats a good thing. What you get for +/- $30 grand is one sweet deal. A performance vehicle for realistic people who happen to be enthusiasts. Plenty of real world usability make this an ideal everyday driver. I had an LS1 a few years back, and there are few engines which produce such beautiful motor-music from the exhaust note. On a level of driving enjoyment, I would choose to drive the GT model over the G35, even though the G35 is more refined – the GT is just pure fun.

I’ll be suckin the doors off it PetroPete with my Taurus!

And let me tell ya that’ll be Sweet!

g35 FTMFW!!!

F3INT))AP3X, the difference is this a much larger car…if you go with the G35, which is of course superior in fit and finish and coddling extras, you;re rear seat passengers will not be as happy with you. I agree with mayer_ray_nagin, the author made the issues sound huge in the begining of the article and they turned out to be mere whining. This is a pretty useless article overall

What an average review. This is typical of why leftlane news is an internet site and not a weekly publication that you would have to buy. So basically, you can’t get XM radio (which its getting) and the seat isn’t electrically operated in 50 ways? And this stops it from jumoing to great from good?

What about the fact that its a an all new car on a brand new platform with great styling, class leading space and accommodation, an absolutley awesome chassis, 6 speed transmission, great quality and simply superb value for money? Oh and the car is immensley safe too AND has stability control.

I mean what more do you ****ing want? Some of these American journalists need to live in the UK for a while to see that the money that buys this awesome sports sedan would just about get you an average family hatchback.

Its just becoming clearer why Ford and GM are concentrating on China more. Americans are too damn hard to please. Let them have their Camrys.

This is a really weird article Left Lane NEWS. There is nothing new about it, things that haters have already pointed out, but even 1115 (certainly a GM hater) admits that these are non-issues…kind of like the worthless dirt that the media digs up on Clinton, McCain, and Obama for ratings that have nothing to do with the election. These digs too, are complaints that really don’t matter in the greater scheme of things. This car is not comparable to the GTO because it is NOT going to fail (perhaps have slower than expected sales because of gas prices). But other than that, things like Bluetooth will be added next year (I think) and navigation is covered by Turn-by-Turn from OnStar which saves money by not having an expensive system installed into the dash which will be dated after 2 years and really be just for show. And isn’t that what you complained about for about a paragraph, the hood scoops being JUST FOR SHOW? A Nav system will be just for show considering OnStar accomplishes the job for less money. If you need a nav system so bad, install an aftermarket one

This is quite possibly one of the most asinine pieces of “journalism” I’ve ever read.

Oh, “Haven’t we been here before” sounds like it’d be a great premise for an article. Unfortunately for the author his own argument is extraordinarily weak.

It’s true that the GTO had some fatal flaws at launch — it was a bit lower on power than it should have been, it was missing accoutrements that the market expected (for better or for worse) on a ‘muscle car’ like hood scoops and dual exhausts, the rear seats were practically unusable thanks to a power-seat that moved like molasses, and most importantly, every single aspect of its design from front to rear left a lot to be desired in the vast majority of the populace.

In short, the 2004 GTO was fatally flawed from the perspective of the vast buying public.

But the absolute worst complaints that the author can dredge up against the G8 are that it’s missing Satellite Radio/Nav and a 6-way instead of an 8-way seat?

Let’s see, 3 nitpicky complaints (G8) versus a whole HOST of complaints covering every aspect of the vehicle from the powertrain to the design (GTO)? Yeah, that sounds like the same place to me. If that’s the best you can come up with, we are most certainly NOT where we were when the 2004 GTO debuted.

I don’t blame Pontiac for not going the Satellite route. Though many new cars come with the capability, only 2% of car buyers actually USE satellite radio. There’s an infinite number of options that could be considered that would have far more marketability than satellite radio. As far as navigation, consumers are turning more and more towards standalone options — the same thing that Pontiac suggests (or OnStar turn-by-turn if nothing else) – - because a (usually better) standalone GPS can be had for 1/10th the price of an integrated unit and is upgraded far easier than integrated models.

Yeah, they may be niggling points that I have made, but the truth is that the devil is in the details. But it gets you thinking about what the car could have been from the get-go. In today’s market place, (and in life, in general) you only have one shot at making a great first impression. This car has been in the planning stages for more than a couple of years, which is more than enough time to get the details sorted out. And truth be told, GM needs to have those details sorted every time it comes to the plate.

No one wants to see GM thrive more than me. In fact I want every manufacturer to be at the top of their game and always bring their best to the marketplace. The business climate these days is just too tough to bring anything less.

Thanks for the comments. It’s good to know they start a conversation every now and then.

And, hey, how about those pictures?!

Mark Elias

And the winner is Mark Elias. Pulitzer is turning in his grave!

Pictures are great Mark, and what is better is that you are responding to our criticisms and getting involved in this conversation. Now straight to my response:

First, I am not 100% sure that this car was planned for export since the time when the new Commodore was launched in Australia. As far as I have been following this, the Pontiac idea came and was approved no less than 1 year after the new Commodore debuted. In comparison to how long it took for the Astra to come, the G8 came pretty quickly after it was approved. The biggest consideration for it was CAFE standards and place in the Pontiac lineup (one that wasn’t RWD when it should have been). In regards to first impressions, I think that the G8 makes a great one simply because it looks great and that is what a first impression is all about – looks. The fact that it looks good and has good power for its class are why it is going to succeed while the GTO failed. The minor shortcomings are something every car has, and these are not comparable to the major things that held the GTO back.

The MAJOR thing for me is that the GTO had big shoes to fill. GTO is a legendary nameplate and it was hard for many people to get excited over the 2004 model compared to the previous ones (by the way, this is why I think GM made the right decision naming the American version of the Holden Ute the Pontiac G8 ST rather than making it an El Camino). Now, look at the shoes the G8 fills… the Pontiac Gran Prix!!

@24 melias wrote … they may be niggling points that I have made, but the truth is that the devil is in the details.

Mark, you have nothing to apologize for. Yours is one of the most accurate reviews of the Pontiac G8 that I have read. Before it hit our shores, we had to deal with previews that were nothing more than paragraph inches extolling with bated breath the fact that the G8 has four wheels and a motor. The G8’s RWD architecture is a great starting point, but it clearly has a long way to go before it is ready for prime time.

In my humble opinion, Japanese cars are boring appliances. However, they are eating our lunch because the Japanese put a lot of effort into the little things. Part of this effort is to ensure that their cars satisfy the expectations of buyers in each of their markets. The G8 is an Australian car with a few accommodations for left-hand drive.

To call it a World Car is a joke. The G8 is missing too many features that are standard equipment on lesser GM cars available in North America. The lack of built-in satellite navigation is particularly telling. It would be one thing if satellite navigation had been omitted due to issues of time or economics. To the contrary, the G8 will have to be re-engineered if sat-nav is to be added. As the first decade of the new millennium comes to a close, ignoring satellite navigation is inexcusable.

Every car that I have ever owned has been a GM. All but two have been Pontiacs. My current car is a Pontiac. I consider myself to be extremely pro-GM and pro-Pontiac. However, I own only one more Pontiac than Pontiac’s worst enemy. That Pontiac, a 1994 Comp-G, is getting long in the tooth. I would like to replace it with a G8. However, I am also an intelligent consumer. For now, the intelligent consumer continues to overrule the Pontiacphile until the G8’s many problems are addressed.

Apparently Pontiac already opened a “fitting room” and Need_more_oil_for_GM has already visited it:
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http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k148/WaaaaHoooo/PontiacFittingRoom.jpg

FordTortoiseForEver, you idiot Ford changed the name of their dumbass “twinforce” to a tree-hugger friendly “ecoforce”. Ford is a joke.

Like listed in many posts before me, this guy’s a tool. I love his choice of words, “the G8 is a good looking car, damn good looking.” Who says that? This guy reminds me of a columnist in my local paper. He does these “car reviews” in the business section and everytime I read one I’m amazed at how misinformed he is. Love how he feels they should’ve halted production until the got that seat adjustment figured out…. tool.

At $32,745 fully loaded, it will do very well as GM has thrown it out to the public with minimum options that appeal directly to those who want to run-the-living-piss-out-it on a daily basis. If it had been released a few years ago it would have done for Pontiac what the CTS did for Cadillac. Even with rising in price this it is still at a price point that can succeed.

Hey Mr. melias, aren’t you kind of violating the LLN ‘prime directive’? By posting you are interfering with the sub-species LLNpostusassholus.

We wish to remain free of outworlder influence whilst we salivate- and on the odd occasion ejaculate- over finely sculpted bodywork and rock hard engine blocks. Please leave us alone. We are armed with not only speculation and enthusiasm, but occasionally with fact and EPA approved mild external lubricants.

Resistance is not futile and I only wish to be assimilated if it involves unlimited cash, my own island containing a replica of the Nurburing, and every scantily clad woman Kirk f*cked on Star Trek.

Weird, pointless article. Ten paragraphs with only 2 of them vaguely covering what the G8 FEELS like to actually DRIVE.
What gives? I can twist a knob on a seat and couldn’t care any less about paddle shifters or the in dash space for an integrated GPS navigation system. I like to drive.

(Un)fortunately, the articles aren’t custom designed to fit your needs GTBruiser.

Most of you guys is missing the point! The G8 is a muscle car not a Luxury car why are you guys even comparing I dont even know. The G8 doesnt have satellite radio big deal hopefully by now you have some sort of mp3 player. Navigation, please if you a man you should have street smarts if you really need navigation get a Tom Tom. I mean this little nit picking **** is like finding your first girlfriend in high school “oh i dont like her because of her nails type of crap” GET ReaL…

The G8 is here and its ready to burn your car away…

IF you want luxury yes get your g35 with the navigation, foot massager, coffee maker, 10 way seat arrangements, you talk it types features.

The g8 is for those who want power know where the hell they goiing and want to enjoy there time in there car not relax like they at home part 2

I drove them, I love them. Yes, XM would have been nice. But the thrust when you mash the go pedal is sweet…

The ****ing thing looks great. I’m not ready to trade the 300SRT8 just yet, but when the 6 speed GXP is released, it will be very tempting. I could give a **** about a nav system, I know where I’m going. I’ll take mine in solid black.

Mark, thanks for bringing us the article, and the pictures were excellent.

However, the accepted format of an auto review begins with exterior styling, and then the bulk of the article hones in on ride and handling. Interior should be addressed at the end, and given significantly less priority than drivetrain. Just my 2 cents. Otherwise, kudos for introducing opinion articles to LLN.

Hey Ford Taurus Forever, after you beat 400horseSS in your “twin force Taurus”, that probably won’t come out you can race me and get wasted by my nuclear powered Cobalt…

No Need4 I’ll just downsize to my commuter the little guy don’t need anything to big to impress you so will just apt for the Ford Verve I-4 Twin-Force (you know my weekender) at 300 HP think you can handle that extra 40 horsepower Need4speed. I’ll beat you work to and save more gas to boot. And have less maintenance cost.

DeansterTJ,

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. We have already reviewed the G8, and this opinion article was a second look at the car. Seeing that we already ran through ride, handling, etc., I felt there was no need to do another review. I just addressed my separate concerns in this new piece.

Perhaps if we linked the original article/review to this story there would have been less confusion. Just in case, here is the link: (http://www.leftlanenews.com/pontiac-g8-gt-review.html)

And again, I like the G8.

Mark

lol haha wow, don’t excite yourself because unless you live over seas, The U.S won’t be getting the Verve, at least not for a long time. Also those HP figures won’t be coming out anyways or be offered. You’re in for a real dissapointment when the Ecoboost with HP production figures nowhere near the concept figures.

Sheesh Deanster did that post come with knee pads, easy solution here peeps go to a Pontiac dealer and drive the car yourself, if we listened to evey journalist we’d all be driving Camry’s.

Need$ Speed you can already start throwing the Roses at me. As I check the Checkered Flag. You may can Bow Down before me at my convenience of course. All Hail to Verve and Taurus.

Now more on the subject of will the Verve coming over Hmm. No Need4 your wrong. Unless you work over at Ford you don’t know more than moi.

As a matter of fact, Allan Mulally stated that Ford would be selling the same vehicle all over Ford’s Global village that means everywhere on Earth ok. That means what is sold in Europe will be sold here, China, or South American. and you know that is the way it should be. None of this North american bogus styling garbage. people are sick of the luke warm Focus.

So no we will be getting the Ford -Verve/Focus/Fiesta
It should be the best functional car that should be used throughout the globe as far as engines you say. A powertrain lineup that includes a 4-cylinder 2-liter engine with EcoBoost technology delivering 275 hp and 280 lb.-ft. of torque Its on several Green site and Ford’s ok. but it can always go higher

If you haven’t been a car enthusiast for a very long time, the Pontiac G8 will make no sense to you. That’s because it is a reincarnation of a 1978 Chevrolet Malibu police car. There hasn’t been anything like it for a very long time – a medium-priced V-8-powered intermediate rear-wheel drive sports sedan built to North American sensibilities. I know – I know, it comes from Oz but the with the exception of extreme winter conditions, the Aussies have the same environment we do – long distances and high average speeds.

It’s competition is difficult to describe – it excludes all front-wheel drive cars as no one who would buy it would ever own a FWD car. It excludes such things as the Infiniti G35 and the Lexus IS-350 as they are just no fun to drive for the serious enthusiast.

The competition is the Dodge Charger, used BMW 5-series and Mercedes-Benz E-class, and pick-up trucks and SUV’s. Nobody seriously interested in this car could care less about nav systems, cupholders, or seat recliner mechanisms. We haven’t got time to wait around for such items – CAFE is closing in.

The potential purchaser wants to relive the past (performance, design language) with contemporary handling and braking and that’s it – that’s all. They are only planning to sell 18,000 and they will have plenty of customers. The GXP will be a milestone car and with the LWB version (Zeta WM-platform) for the Chevrolet Impala on hold, very possibly the last of the breed.

Commodore: Clinton, McCain, and Obama = Bitch,Liberal and Tottergreis

Richard:”In my humble opinion, Japanese cars are boring appliances.”
some are.

Luckily no one listens to dumb unionized asses like yourself, 400SS, or unholy pieces of American **** like the Topaz and LeBaron would be alive and well today.

For one, another car with the Blaupunkt audio system was a pontiac gto.
The gto was only produced for one year (2004) with the LS1, and got the bigger engine (LS2) in 2005-2006.
And this car is not going to fail. A big part of the reason that the GTO failed is because people did not think that it truly represented the original. This car does not say, “Hey, I’m back.” It is truly an original car, so there was no expectations of it to look and perform a certain way.
And this car cannot be compared to a g35. This is a way bigger car with a v8 under the hood. They aren’t even in the same car class. Thats like saying, “this M3 is good, but is it as good as a corvette?”

That Management approved for us to build Deansterdumb****.

A car having a tin can sound is bad in 2008 The G35 and Max do not have that tin can sound.
The G8 is a nice looking car but for someone to make a comment like that is a very bad thing I thought it was bad but I like the car so I didn’t say anything lol
This car will have to be spectacular to steal sales from the Japanese and its just NOT
Just like the Malibu. Everyone on this board is bragging about how well it sells but its not taking anyone from their Camry’s and Accords and if it were better than or even in the league of those car people would be trading those cars in for the Chevy THe only think its outselling is the car it replaces and that doesnt matter
I wil stay in American where I was born and I have the right and the reason to complain about anything I want Its dicks like you (who are probably uneducated and racist ) who wan t someone to leave if they complain or buy a superior machine like the Accord or Camry over the unproven POS’s from the domestics
Thats sounds like facism to me
Either way the G8 i nice but its not NEARLY enough A wiser choice is the TL or the Maxima

@ tripleonefive (No. 52)

I take a backseat to no one in my criticism of the Pontiac G8. Just read my previous post in this thread. Pontiac’s association of the car with Hip-Hop, however, is anything but desperate. Hip-Hop is the most popular music genre in the World today. It is a proven success in moving product. GM owes the success of its Cadillac Escalade luxury SUV largely to Hip-Hop.

The G8 has many legitimate issues on the merits. Point out these problems and you will have an ally against the fanboys on this forum. However, when your posts are composed thinly-veiled racist comments, you have an adversary who will call you on it.

My biggest peeve with Pontiac is their wannabe Bimmer grille. Its lame and old

Commodore ?? Is this you ?
First, I personally have never made excuses for GM – I have admitted multiple times that GM made crap IN THE PAST but that is changing now.
Comment by Commodore, posted on September14 at 6:36 pm

GM owes the success of its Cadillac Escalade luxury SUV largely to Hip-Hop. *Exactly bc its not due to build quality or reliability Its a fashion stmt rather that something that will be around and last for decades. Same with the 300 and every other car in some rap or hip hop whatever video

However, when your posts are composed thinly-veiled racist comments, you have an adversary who will call you on it.* Why bc 50 cent is black ? Because I may or may not like c(rap) music?

Commodore ?? Is this you ?

1115

Your recalls are OLD. Do they prove that GM had quality issues in the past? YES, AND I DO NOT DISPUTE THAT. The fact that GM had recalls in the past cannot be used to support your opinion that they are “still” inferior.
Comment by Commodore, posted on September17 at 1:40 pm

“Need$ Speed you can already start throwing the Roses at me. As I check the Checkered Flag. You may can Bow Down before me at my convenience of course. All Hail to Verve and Taurus.

Now more on the subject of will the Verve coming over Hmm. No Need4 your wrong. Unless you work over at Ford you don’t know more than moi.”

Yeah, in your dreams Ford Taurus Forever, that’s where you dream of driving your non existent 300hp Ford Verve, that I’ll believe it when I see it if it ever comes over here. Oh so do you work over at Ford???? You’re just like need more oil for GM, and tripleonefive. Hey it’s good that there are still some loyal Ford people out there. Ford is going to need brain washed buyers like you when their stock reaches $0 a share and their company starts tanking… Oh wait they already are!

tripleonefive (No. 55) wrote Commodore ?? Is this you ?

No, I am not Commodore and never have been. If you can’t read, then how do you expect anyone to take your racist rants seriously?

Just a comment about the Escalade luxury SUV. Of course, it is a fashion statement. Does this come as a surprise to you? I mean, do you really believe that GM is selling the Escalade as a requirement to go off-road when it also sells Hummers, Tahoes, Yukons, and 4×4 versions of its pick-up trucks? Really? I guess you do.

No the Commodore is this comments are referring to him sayin gthat GM has made crap in the past and now he denies it but when I showed him past recaalls even ones from 2005 he said they were old and whwn I showed him recent ones from 06 07 he said where are the recalls from the past and I caught him in his sea of lies
As for you. You havent explained how my rants are racist ? Just bc I may or may not like hip hop c(rap) or 50 cent doesnt not make one racist. If I hated country would I be racist ???
You are going to have to explain the reasoning behind that bogus stmt
Learn to read and explain yourself Cadillac should sell the escalade as a capable reliable luxry SUV not some fashion symbol for a rapper
It works now but in the long run it will fail bc if its in style now it will easily go out of style especially in the “hip hop ” world where things change very frequently
Say something !

Hip Hop sells, period.

It shouldnt be selling Escalades and 300 c’s
Check out the Sequioa thread so you can see how the GM trucks catch on fire and more goodies

UH sure.

“I wil stay in American where I was born and I have the right and the reason to complain about anything I want Its dicks like you (who are probably uneducated and racist ) who wan t someone to leave if they complain or buy a superior machine like the Accord or Camry over the unproven POS’s from the domestics”

I can barely follow your weak arguments. And yes, I am uneducated. I just happened to be at graduation on the day they were handing out free engineering degrees to anyone with a pulse. I did say move to Japan because I am racist, I said you should do so since you hate American cars and feel that the US is incapable of designing any car worthy of your money. What’s ironic is you praise anything that comes from a foreign country and the G8 comes from Australia. Since your criteria for greatness starts with a car not being native to the US I would think the G8 would be OK with you. The Maxima is underpowered and has a cheap interior. The new model has a better interior but is uglier than the 2008 model and still doesnt have the power or RWD layout needed to truly outperform the G8 or any other RWD car in this price range.

What I never get is that people like you who base the worth of a vehicle on sales or conquest sales is that you always leave out the F150 or Chrysler minivans when making such arguments. You say the G8 will fail just like the Malibu and the Malibu is crap because Camry and Accord owners arent trading in their cars in droves. Does that mean the Tundra is crap because it has barely made a dent in F150 sales? Is the F150 the best pickup simply because it has the most sales in class? Are the Chrysler minivans superior to the Odyessey simply because they outsell the Honda? Is the Fit worse than the Cobalt since the Chevy outsells it by a significant margin? Dont try to use sales figures or conquests to prove the competence of a vehicle unless you are going to do it across the board.

BTW, the G8 is a limited production model and really won’t be dependent on massive trade ins from Toyota owners to do well. It really doesn’t have many direct competitors and it definitely has no competition from Toyota or Honda.

“Learn to read and explain yourself Cadillac should sell the escalade as a capable reliable luxry SUV not some fashion symbol for a rapper”

You are clueless on every front. CAdillac has never used a rapper in an ad for the Escalade. Please inform us when and where Cadillac has officially asked for rappers to associate with the Escalade. Please tell us which ads CAdillac has aired featuring 50 cent or any other rapper. Learn the difference between Cadillac and Lincoln before posting any further. Do you know anything about cars? Why do you post here if you know so little? Stop trying to cover up your lack of knowledge with crude insults and misdirection in your responses.

“GM owes the success of its Cadillac Escalade luxury SUV largely to Hip-Hop. *Exactly bc its not due to build quality or reliability Its a fashion stmt rather that something that will be around and last for decades. Same with the 300 and every other car in some rap or hip hop whatever video”

Another stupid comment from an unsurprising source. How many rappers do you think exist in the US that can afford an Escalade? 50? 75? The Escalade is the best selling SUV in its class and you dont sell 60k SUVs a year by catering only to hip hop celebrities. You cant seriously believe otherwise if you have half a brain. That is debatable of course.

I’m sure most of the 55 year old white guys who drive Escalades made that choice because they care what Fiddy Centy drives. You are a genius! thanks for explaining that to us. All the six figure Escalade owners who belong to country clubs and have kids in private schools are looking to rappers for tips on what vehicles to buy. Its so obvious but it took tripleon4 to show us the light!

PS:

stay tuned for ranting, insults and profanity from our boy 3on5 in response to my posts. Hey, anything but using a little logic and common sense.

Here it comes!

“My biggest peeve with Pontiac is their wannabe Bimmer grille. Its lame and old”

How is it BMW wannabe if they have been using it for 40 or 50 years?

Mark, thanks for the link to the G8 road test. I apologize for being so harsh. Completely unnecessary.

Are the Chrysler minivans superior to the Odyessey simply because they outsell the Honda? Is the Fit worse than the Cobalt since the Chevy outsells it by a significant margin?
show me numbers ThHe resale especially and also tell me who makes the Aveo and no it doesnt the resale and reliability make one car or car company better than another you jackass Pay attention
The Chrysler vans may sell more but dont have a resale like Honda or Toyota and the Chrysler are notorious for bad transmissions
Try looking something up before you post I know you thought you had something valid to say but you dont that post proved that

THe G8 is Australian but its GM crap from Australia and you are wrong I dont praise anything bc its foreign I praise the superior longer lasting more reliable product with higher resale value

Not some fashion symbol for a rapper”
Read the sentence again Fashion symbol FOR a rapper. Its in rap videos and used as a status symbol for rappers. You are an idiot So quick to try and take me apart you don’t even realize how little sense you make. Its sad you are uneducated

Gm owes its success comment wasnt made by me But since you are jumping the gun and not reading you confused me as the writer of that comment once again you are an idiot who jumps to conclusions

^^ …and YOU are an idiot. Period.

tripleon5,

your command of the English language is far too poor for you to go around insulting the intelligence of others. Your response is barely understandable. You continue to show your lack of automotive savvy by saying Chrysler is known for bad transmissions when in fact Toyota is the one currently having transmission issues. BTW, why would Chrysler offer a lifetime powertrain warranty (hint: that includes the tranny) if they are having problems with transmission quality? Use common sense before typing anything.

BTW, please tell me how you can determine the resale value of the G8, Malibu or any other recent GM product. Buying a boring car simply because it might be worth more than another car in 5 years is something that only die hard, head in the sand, igonorant import fanatics like yourself do. If you like everything about a car and its resale just happens to be good, that is fine. But to make resale value your #1 priority when ranking vehicles is silly. Toyotas have better resale value than Audis but that doesn’t mean Toyotas are superior to Audis.

Chrysler is known for bad transmissions when in fact Toyota is the one currently having transmission issues
* If you took the time to look at the Chrysler minivans or knew anything about car before posting bull**** you would know that Chrysler transmissions are ****
I haven’t seen one not one article on a bad transmission from Toyota If you can show me a link then so be it until then shut up
** Chrysler currently has a lifetime warranty bc they cant sell a car without it! Due to their bad track record with transmissions and other items the public doesn’t and shouldn’t trust them. You are really stupid
Please tell me how you can determine the resale value of the G8, Malibu or any other recent GM product.
***Exactly you have to go on the previous models and offerings from the manufacturer. If the new Malibu and G8 are reliable cars time will tell until then they are POS bc GM and the other domestics have track records for making **** which is proven by the links that I have available in the Toyota thread with the Sequoia pictured. Based on the last Pontiac and the last Malibu the resale is **** compared to an Accord or Camry and until those cars prove they can hang they are POS’s
If you like American cars then so be it, just don’t dare say that they are equal with Japanese cars when they are not. Toyota and Honda have earned their reputation through building great cars that last long and have very little issues with them. Meanwhile GM and the domestics made **** sold Americans on patriotism and now they are paying for it. Its good old American ignorance that makes you side with GM Ford and Chrysler and you don’t even realize it

Lets see ….
Buying a boring car? Who says imports are boring ? That is your patriotic opinion. The imports I have had have been much more exciting then some POS from the domestics. Buying something that will have a higher value in 5 years is the exact opposite of what you said It is a wise investment bc you will more return on your dollar but if you are too stupid to realize that then I cant help you there
BTW it means Toyota’s are more reliable than Audis. You must have rode the little yellow bus huh ? You must be a teenager.

I wish LLN would put the posters sig at the top of the post instead of the bottom. This way I can just ignore these long rambling BS diatribes from mentally challenged monkey lovers who have deemed themselves as having a clue… It would sure save me a lot of scrolling!

The hottest company on the planet (GM) is releasing a segment thrashing, Import trashing class leader and you folks have nothing but negative things to say about it. You unAmerican pricks need to get out of the Country, sounds like you don’t belong here. Move to Japan or Germany if you like their garbage so much. This is GM country and it’s gonna stay that way no matter what you pussbags have to say about it.

GTBruiser,

No problem.

Mark

Or a online Petition against MoreOil and Trip5

I d0on’t lilke the bame G8. What’s wrong woyth Grand Prix?

Dodge Charger R/T, Nissan Maxima 3.5 SL, and Infiniti’s G35 Sport R Tough ompetition.

The G8 is a good car. It can be a great one.
I think only audi make vbetter engines than Nissan.
I don
‘tb think 1 monedl can save Gm or Pontiac.

I would never Get a TL
real men drive v8’s pimp.
Placing this vehicle in the same category as the G35 is an aknowle4gement that their bothr performance-oriented.
gas prices could slow sales of This car

the GTO was cool, but cost 2 much.
Star Trek is several decades old. U’d have to ctime-ravel to be with them awhile their beautiful.

The g8 is for those who want power know where the hell they R goiing and want to enjoy time in theire car
the Topaz and LeBaron werev pieces of junk.,would be alive and well today.
A TL is a poor choice
Hip-Hop is the most popular music genre in the World today, but not the best.
GM madkes crap no longer, ewxept the cobalt.

the Escalade is just a tajhoe.
GM is The hottest company on the planet

Ktulu is an idiot
Gm continues to make crap
The Escalade is a fancy Tahoe but GM made it look different enough to fool the avg consumer
GM is the lamest company on the planet and they still want people to believe that they should buy american when they were closing factories in america and making their cars in Mexico
TL is a great choice you can consult any car magazine on that or just as the guy who owns one GM wishes they could make something half as good

“Chrysler is known for bad transmissions when in fact Toyota is the one currently having transmission issues
* If you took the time to look at the Chrysler minivans or knew anything about car before posting bull**** you would know that Chrysler transmissions are ****
I haven’t seen one not one article on a bad transmission from Toyota If you can show me a link then so be it until then shut up”

Oh thats why Chrysler has a lifetime warranty on its powertrains. Got it. The 5 speed in Chrysler RWD cars is MB unit, its not even from Chrysler moron. Chryslers 6 speed unit is new. Their 4 speed units have been around for years and obviously they have confidence in their quality. You still have not answered why Chrysler would offer a lifetime warranty on unreliable transmissions.

“Based on the last Pontiac and the last Malibu the resale is **** compared to an Accord or Camry and until those cars prove they can hang they are POS’s”

The G8 has no predecessor so I am lost as to how you are saying we need to look at older Pontiacs to gauge G8 resale value. What are you talking about? You say resale will improve when reliability is there but JD POwers shows most GM brands are above average in reliability. Buick and Cadillac rank better than Toyota and Nissan and Honda in reliability. Get a clue.

Do you read CR? If not check it out and see why they do not recommend the Camry V6. Its because of the 6 speed tranny. Go to edmunds.com and read up on the consumer comments on the camry. People are saying the tranny and overall quality is the worst they have ever experienced in a Toyota product. You need to read more before telling people they are wrong.

“Meanwhile GM and the domestics made **** sold Americans on patriotism and now they are paying for it. Its good old American ignorance that makes you side with GM Ford and Chrysler and you don’t even realize it ”

Good old American arrogance would allow someone of meager intelligence like yourself to come on here and actually think you know more than others. You know nothing about anything. Since you love the Japanese so much why dont you take a cue from them and learn some humility. Everything about your style and your lack of knowledge shows you are a prototypical American blowhard who is all talk and no intelligence. This is why the Japanese and others hate people like you. No honor, no discipline and no self respect. You are so stupid you don’t even realize that the Japanese learned quality and production methods from Americans after WW2. You don’t even realize that ALL automakers use the lean production and quality control measures that Toyota made famous. You don’t even realize that BMW buys transmissions from GM, not Toyota. You dont even realize that GM has engineers and designers of various nationalities working for them which exposes them to all kinds of ideas. You dont even realize that Toyota, Hyundai and the rest of the Asian automakers wont even let Americans rise to the top of their ranks because they have so little respect for idiot Americans like yourself. At Hyundai they send over monitors from Korea to watch over the shoulder of American execs because they don’t have full confidence in them. This is why Hyundai keeps changing its top US manager. I respect good vehicles regardless of who makes them but I have no respect for anyone who is too ignorant to recognize the acheivements of the US auto industry. If you want dull styling and reliability it makes sense to only shop Japanese like you do. If you want styling, value, innovative features, low operating costs, better warranties, etc. it makes sense to look elsewhere. Quality was the one thing the Japanese could hold over everyone’s head but now the gap is narrowing and all they can go on is their past reputation. they have been surpassed in styling, features, hp, transmissions (Where’s honda’s 6 speed) and handling. Toyota makes cars that handle like Buicks of old and look like Toyota’s of old. Honda doesnt even offer a RWD car or a V8 engine or a top end sports or a 1st tier luxury brand or a hybrid SUV or a 6 speed automatic or a real pickup. Nissan is stil using cheap plastics and has now resorted to dropping the same interior in every new model to save money. And lets not even get started on their terrible styling.

deantj: I had a tempo (Topaz clone), and it was a better car than my civic. Le baron, however, qualifies as a piece of American ****.

“Everyone on this board is bragging about how well it sells but its (sic) not taking anyone from their Camry’s (sic) and Accords.” How do you know that?

“I wil (sic) stay in American (sic) where I was born and I have the right and the reason to complain about anything I want Its (sic) dicks like you (who are probably uneducated and racist ) who wan t (sic) someone to leave if they (sic) complain or buy a superior machine …”

That pretty much says it all. No one should care if another buys a superior machine, but you’re obviously threatened by the mere thought.

Commodore: ‘I have admitted multiple times that GM made crap IN THE PAST but that is changing now.”
That’s a refrain we’ve all sung. 1115 just doesn’t understand that. He wants to stay in 1987.

“ *Exactly bc its not due to build quality or reliability Its (sic) a fashion stmt rather that (sic) something that will be around and last for decades.”

Again, terrible sentence structure, but, to be real, a POS that’s popular because of a fad will be exposed in short notice. Ever see a movie do boffo box office the first week, then sink? That’s what would’ve happened to the Escalade.

“Because I may or may not like c(rap) music?” You done told on yourself! Nobody is disputing you’re right to blast Ricky Martin in your accord, but we have the right to take an impression there
Commodore: “The fact that GM had recalls in the past cannot be used to support your opinion that they are ‘still’ inferior. Sure, it can. GM recalls last forever, and Toyonda recalls don’t count.

‘Cadillac should sell the escalade as a capable reliable luxry (sic) SUV …” And they do, to people who respond to that sort of advertising. Some people are more like Pavlov’s dogs in their response. They just want to hear “cool.” Like you just want to here “Honda.”

Sj79: ‘What’s ironic is you praise anything that comes from a foreign country and the G8 comes from Australia.”
Yeah, but the G8 doesn’t come from Japan, and if it did, it’d still bear the name of a GM division. To be good, a car must be made by a Japanese company, and not one that’s in partnership with a non-Japanese company.

“You always leave out the F150 or Chrysler minivans.” They don’t count. Only hicks drive trucks.
“Does that mean the Tundra is crap because it has barely made a dent in F150 sales?” No, and the tundra (no matter how many times it is recalled) is not crap, because it bears the Toyota name. The F150 is crap, because it bears an American company’s name.

“Is the F150 the best pickup simply because it has the most sales in class?” No, that only counts when a toyonda has the most sales in its class.”

“Don’t try to use sales figures or conquests to prove the competence of a vehicle unless you are going to do it across the board.”
No, sales figures only count if they make toyonda look good and the big 3 (especially GM) look bad.

“It definitely has no competition from Toyota or Honda.” That’s straight truth!

“Do you know anything about cars?” 1115 knows that an accord is a luxury car. Therefore, he’s an expert. Certainly more of an expert that the nation’s automotive journalists.

“I dont (sic) praise anything bc its foreign I praise the superior longer lasting more reliable product …” Damn that’s funny.

Raiv: “YOU are an idiot. Period.” You figured out 1115’s an idiot? Next, you’ll figure out that water can make you wet.

sj79: “your command of the English language is far too poor for you to go around insulting the intelligence of others. “
Yep, yep!
“Why would Chrysler offer a lifetime powertrain warranty (hint: that includes the tranny) if they are having problems with transmission quality?” Because thinks that by standing behind the product, it can conceal the fact that it’s crap.

“Buying a boring car simply because it might be worth more than another car in 5 years is something that only die hard, head in the sand, ignorant import fanatics like yourself do.”
Theoretical resale value is pretty low on the list of important features to me.

“Toyotas have better resale value than Audis but that doesn’t mean Toyotas are superior to Audis.”

Toyota is a Japanese company and Audi is not, that means Toyotas are superior to Audis.

1115: “Chrysler currently has a lifetime warranty bc they cant (sic) sell a car without it!”
If they give a lifetime warranty on crap, fool, they’ll take a bath.

“If you like American cars then so be it, just don’t dare say that they are equal with Japanese cars when they are not.”
Some are equal.
Some are worse
Some are better!

“Toyota and Honda have earned their reputation through building great cars that last long and have very little issues with them.”
That’s why I drive something else now, right?

“The imports I have had have been much more exciting ….” You think an accord is exciting.
“Buying something that will have a higher value in 5 years is the exact opposite of what you said It is a wise investment bc you will (sic) more return on your dollar.”
I doubt a simpleton like yourself will understand a complex economic lesson, but money you don’t spend on an overpriced, overrated import (or for that matter an overpriced, overrated domestic) is money that’s in your pocket which you can spend elsewhere, generating a REAL return on your dollar. Cars depreciate, so they are not investments. At least none of the cars any of us drive.

‘it means Toyota’s are more reliable than Audis” No, it doesn’t.

Ktulu: you’re clearly better at choosing cars than you are at spelling.

1115: TL is a great choice …. GM wishes they could make something half as good.” Half as good as an accord? You think they’re losing market share now ….

Gsj79: edmunds.com, JD power and CR only count when they say bad things about GM.

“You know nothing about anything. “
Not true. It knows how to get a knob prepared for action!

“I respect good vehicles regardless of who makes them.” As do I.

Check the minivan transmissions and show me a link where Toyota has bad trannys jerk off
Do you read CR? sk Jackjimpussy what CR consists of Even if you use them check the best and worst cars used list and the Camry is on the best and the worst is flooded with Gms

Shady Powers shows most GM brands are above average in reliability. Buick and Cadillac rank better than Toyota and Nissan and Honda in reliability. Get a clue.
JD Powers is a pay for play site and those tests are based on 90 days of ownership You need a clue
ou dont even realize that GM has engineers and designers of various nationalities working for them
Yet they cant get a designer to make a car to beat the Camry and Accord ?
You dont realize how corrupt this country is Corrupt to the core and you are not ready to hear the truth not that you would uinderstand it if you were told Keep waving flag keep buying american and keep posting your bull****
GM cant even make a decent car and the ones they try to make are carry overs from Autralia and Eurotrash cars
Honda doesnt need a V8 to whip GMs ass they are better made cars that have better resale and last longer
Toyota has the rwd and they are better than GM according to reliability resale.
You seem to want excitement in your cars and shows how ignorant you are and I hope you are a teenager bc if you are a grown man then that is sad

at least you’re trying.
“Janitor” was quite stale.
but you can’t beat me. I’m far smarter and quicker.

LOL, I guess we should ignore the story where JD Power was honoring Honda a few weeks ago…

Useless piece of Garbage.

JD Power is a pay for play website that cannot be trusted Whether they are praising Honda or not let the resale value talk for the car in question
JJT yea being a janitor is stale Ive already beaten you just like life has beaten you You have no response to what I sent and you and Commo are quiet
I love how you have your lies about a Civic lasting 91k when every other Civic inthe world gets 250k or better and then you traded it for a Tempo
Then you said your mother had a Camry and traded it for a Taurus If it were true that would be a bigger mistake then her having a janitor for a son (or daughter)
Whats the next lie Your grandmother drove an Avalon then traded it for a Crown Vic Please

Jon Luc: are you talking about the fluffer? ‘Cuz you could be.

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Drove the G8 twice this week because I’m looking to possibly replace my 99′ Z28 (wife drives a 03 G35 sedan). The G8 is a nice car but I have to agree with the article the G8 has to compete in a tough class with nice new cars from several world class auto makers, as well as all of their nice used cars as well-
The G8’s interior is too plasticky and GM can do great interiors, look at the interiors of the new Malibu and 08′ CTS.
The G8 needs proper gauges, not gagues and electronics look to the Corvette and all GM trucks.
The seats need either full power or full manual adjustment but not a combination of both look to Saab and Caddy,and if it dose not serve a legit purpose loose it – the fake hood scoops-
My point is GM has all of the resources IN HOUSE to make a fine car but it just seems like GM is serving up more of their same SH*T.

In the late 80’s GM had hired a bunch of exec’s from companies like Procter&Gamble and Bousch&Lomb to run the CAR COMPANY,then let the accountants dictate car purpose, design and engineering and refused to recognize the competition was getting better and giving the people what they wanted, the result for GM, a market share of 25% today down from 60% just 20 years ago.
I don’t think GM has another 35% to give, GM needs to get it right THE FIRST TIME, because fixing it after intital launch in todays world is TOO LATE !!!

I read in another left lane article that GM is shuffling the chairs again??

I want to buy AMERICAN and wait for the new Camaro and the G8 GXP, But the G37,335,IS350,A4,A5,M3 and C63 are here now?

GM is serving up more of their same SH*T.
I want to buy AMERICAN- WHY ?you dont owe this country anything let alone GM buy based on the car you like and that is reliable and has a high resale unless you want something unreliable that you wont get your money back on

I can not believe that people are bitching over the simple fact that you have to turn a dial to adjust the back rest. **** once it is done its not big deal. Just shows how lazy some people are getting these days.