In the late 80′s GM had hired a bunch of exec’s from companies like Procter&Gamble and Bousch&Lomb to run the CAR COMPANY,then let the accountants dictate car purpose, design and engineering and refused to recognize the competition was getting better and giving the people what they wanted, the result for GM, a market share of 25% today down from 60% just 20 years ago.
I don’t think GM has another 35% to give, GM needs to get it right THE FIRST TIME, because fixing it after intital launch in todays world is TOO LATE !!!

I read in another left lane article that GM is shuffling the chairs again??

I want to buy AMERICAN and wait for the new Camaro and the G8 GXP, But the G37,335,IS350,A4,A5,M3 and C63 are here now?

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Shady Powers shows most GM brands are above average in reliability. Buick and Cadillac rank better than Toyota and Nissan and Honda in reliability. Get a clue.
JD Powers is a pay for play site and those tests are based on 90 days of ownership You need a clue
ou dont even realize that GM has engineers and designers of various nationalities working for them
Yet they cant get a designer to make a car to beat the Camry and Accord ?
You dont realize how corrupt this country is Corrupt to the core and you are not ready to hear the truth not that you would uinderstand it if you were told Keep waving flag keep buying american and keep posting your bullshit
GM cant even make a decent car and the ones they try to make are carry overs from Autralia and Eurotrash cars
Honda doesnt need a V8 to whip GMs ass they are better made cars that have better resale and last longer
Toyota has the rwd and they are better than GM according to reliability resale.
You seem to want excitement in your cars and shows how ignorant you are and I hope you are a teenager bc if you are a grown man then that is sad

“Everyone on this board is bragging about how well it sells but its (sic) not taking anyone from their Camry’s (sic) and Accords.” How do you know that?

“I wil (sic) stay in American (sic) where I was born and I have the right and the reason to complain about anything I want Its (sic) dicks like you (who are probably uneducated and racist ) who wan t (sic) someone to leave if they (sic) complain or buy a superior machine …”

That pretty much says it all. No one should care if another buys a superior machine, but you’re obviously threatened by the mere thought.

Commodore: ‘I have admitted multiple times that GM made crap IN THE PAST but that is changing now.”
That’s a refrain we’ve all sung. 1115 just doesn’t understand that. He wants to stay in 1987.

“ *Exactly bc its not due to build quality or reliability Its (sic) a fashion stmt rather that (sic) something that will be around and last for decades.”

Again, terrible sentence structure, but, to be real, a POS that’s popular because of a fad will be exposed in short notice. Ever see a movie do boffo box office the first week, then sink? That’s what would’ve happened to the Escalade.

“Because I may or may not like c(rap) music?” You done told on yourself! Nobody is disputing you’re right to blast Ricky Martin in your accord, but we have the right to take an impression there
Commodore: “The fact that GM had recalls in the past cannot be used to support your opinion that they are ‘still’ inferior. Sure, it can. GM recalls last forever, and Toyonda recalls don’t count.

‘Cadillac should sell the escalade as a capable reliable luxry (sic) SUV …” And they do, to people who respond to that sort of advertising. Some people are more like Pavlov’s dogs in their response. They just want to hear “cool.” Like you just want to here “Honda.”

Sj79: ‘What’s ironic is you praise anything that comes from a foreign country and the G8 comes from Australia.”
Yeah, but the G8 doesn’t come from Japan, and if it did, it’d still bear the name of a GM division. To be good, a car must be made by a Japanese company, and not one that’s in partnership with a non-Japanese company.

“You always leave out the F150 or Chrysler minivans.” They don’t count. Only hicks drive trucks.
“Does that mean the Tundra is crap because it has barely made a dent in F150 sales?” No, and the tundra (no matter how many times it is recalled) is not crap, because it bears the Toyota name. The F150 is crap, because it bears an American company’s name.

“Is the F150 the best pickup simply because it has the most sales in class?” No, that only counts when a toyonda has the most sales in its class.”

“Don’t try to use sales figures or conquests to prove the competence of a vehicle unless you are going to do it across the board.”
No, sales figures only count if they make toyonda look good and the big 3 (especially GM) look bad.

“It definitely has no competition from Toyota or Honda.” That’s straight truth!

“Do you know anything about cars?” 1115 knows that an accord is a luxury car. Therefore, he’s an expert. Certainly more of an expert that the nation’s automotive journalists.

“I dont (sic) praise anything bc its foreign I praise the superior longer lasting more reliable product …” Damn that’s funny.

Raiv: “YOU are an idiot. Period.” You figured out 1115’s an idiot? Next, you’ll figure out that water can make you wet.

sj79: “your command of the English language is far too poor for you to go around insulting the intelligence of others. “
Yep, yep!
“Why would Chrysler offer a lifetime powertrain warranty (hint: that includes the tranny) if they are having problems with transmission quality?” Because thinks that by standing behind the product, it can conceal the fact that it’s crap.

“Buying a boring car simply because it might be worth more than another car in 5 years is something that only die hard, head in the sand, ignorant import fanatics like yourself do.”
Theoretical resale value is pretty low on the list of important features to me.

“Toyotas have better resale value than Audis but that doesn’t mean Toyotas are superior to Audis.”

Toyota is a Japanese company and Audi is not, that means Toyotas are superior to Audis.

1115: “Chrysler currently has a lifetime warranty bc they cant (sic) sell a car without it!”
If they give a lifetime warranty on crap, fool, they’ll take a bath.

“If you like American cars then so be it, just don’t dare say that they are equal with Japanese cars when they are not.”
Some are equal.
Some are worse
Some are better!

“Toyota and Honda have earned their reputation through building great cars that last long and have very little issues with them.”
That’s why I drive something else now, right?

“The imports I have had have been much more exciting ….” You think an accord is exciting.
“Buying something that will have a higher value in 5 years is the exact opposite of what you said It is a wise investment bc you will (sic) more return on your dollar.”
I doubt a simpleton like yourself will understand a complex economic lesson, but money you don’t spend on an overpriced, overrated import (or for that matter an overpriced, overrated domestic) is money that’s in your pocket which you can spend elsewhere, generating a REAL return on your dollar. Cars depreciate, so they are not investments. At least none of the cars any of us drive.

‘it means Toyota’s are more reliable than Audis” No, it doesn’t.

Ktulu: you’re clearly better at choosing cars than you are at spelling.

1115: TL is a great choice …. GM wishes they could make something half as good.” Half as good as an accord? You think they’re losing market share now ….

Gsj79: edmunds.com, JD power and CR only count when they say bad things about GM.

“You know nothing about anything. “
Not true. It knows how to get a knob prepared for action!

“I respect good vehicles regardless of who makes them.” As do I.

Oh thats why Chrysler has a lifetime warranty on its powertrains. Got it. The 5 speed in Chrysler RWD cars is MB unit, its not even from Chrysler moron. Chryslers 6 speed unit is new. Their 4 speed units have been around for years and obviously they have confidence in their quality. You still have not answered why Chrysler would offer a lifetime warranty on unreliable transmissions.

“Based on the last Pontiac and the last Malibu the resale is shit compared to an Accord or Camry and until those cars prove they can hang they are POS’s”

The G8 has no predecessor so I am lost as to how you are saying we need to look at older Pontiacs to gauge G8 resale value. What are you talking about? You say resale will improve when reliability is there but JD POwers shows most GM brands are above average in reliability. Buick and Cadillac rank better than Toyota and Nissan and Honda in reliability. Get a clue.

Do you read CR? If not check it out and see why they do not recommend the Camry V6. Its because of the 6 speed tranny. Go to edmunds.com and read up on the consumer comments on the camry. People are saying the tranny and overall quality is the worst they have ever experienced in a Toyota product. You need to read more before telling people they are wrong.

“Meanwhile GM and the domestics made shit sold Americans on patriotism and now they are paying for it. Its good old American ignorance that makes you side with GM Ford and Chrysler and you don’t even realize it ”

Good old American arrogance would allow someone of meager intelligence like yourself to come on here and actually think you know more than others. You know nothing about anything. Since you love the Japanese so much why dont you take a cue from them and learn some humility. Everything about your style and your lack of knowledge shows you are a prototypical American blowhard who is all talk and no intelligence. This is why the Japanese and others hate people like you. No honor, no discipline and no self respect. You are so stupid you don’t even realize that the Japanese learned quality and production methods from Americans after WW2. You don’t even realize that ALL automakers use the lean production and quality control measures that Toyota made famous. You don’t even realize that BMW buys transmissions from GM, not Toyota. You dont even realize that GM has engineers and designers of various nationalities working for them which exposes them to all kinds of ideas. You dont even realize that Toyota, Hyundai and the rest of the Asian automakers wont even let Americans rise to the top of their ranks because they have so little respect for idiot Americans like yourself. At Hyundai they send over monitors from Korea to watch over the shoulder of American execs because they don’t have full confidence in them. This is why Hyundai keeps changing its top US manager. I respect good vehicles regardless of who makes them but I have no respect for anyone who is too ignorant to recognize the acheivements of the US auto industry. If you want dull styling and reliability it makes sense to only shop Japanese like you do. If you want styling, value, innovative features, low operating costs, better warranties, etc. it makes sense to look elsewhere. Quality was the one thing the Japanese could hold over everyone’s head but now the gap is narrowing and all they can go on is their past reputation. they have been surpassed in styling, features, hp, transmissions (Where’s honda’s 6 speed) and handling. Toyota makes cars that handle like Buicks of old and look like Toyota’s of old. Honda doesnt even offer a RWD car or a V8 engine or a top end sports or a 1st tier luxury brand or a hybrid SUV or a 6 speed automatic or a real pickup. Nissan is stil using cheap plastics and has now resorted to dropping the same interior in every new model to save money. And lets not even get started on their terrible styling.

Dodge Charger R/T, Nissan Maxima 3.5 SL, and Infiniti’s G35 Sport R Tough ompetition.

The G8 is a good car. It can be a great one.
I think only audi make vbetter engines than Nissan.
I don
‘tb think 1 monedl can save Gm or Pontiac.

I would never Get a TL
real men drive v8′s pimp.
Placing this vehicle in the same category as the G35 is an aknowle4gement that their bothr performance-oriented.
gas prices could slow sales of This car

the GTO was cool, but cost 2 much.
Star Trek is several decades old. U’d have to ctime-ravel to be with them awhile their beautiful.

The g8 is for those who want power know where the hell they R goiing and want to enjoy time in theire car
the Topaz and LeBaron werev pieces of junk.,would be alive and well today.
A TL is a poor choice
Hip-Hop is the most popular music genre in the World today, but not the best.
GM madkes crap no longer, ewxept the cobalt.

the Escalade is just a tajhoe.
GM is The hottest company on the planet

No problem.

Mark

Lets see ….
Buying a boring car? Who says imports are boring ? That is your patriotic opinion. The imports I have had have been much more exciting then some POS from the domestics. Buying something that will have a higher value in 5 years is the exact opposite of what you said It is a wise investment bc you will more return on your dollar but if you are too stupid to realize that then I cant help you there
BTW it means Toyota’s are more reliable than Audis. You must have rode the little yellow bus huh ? You must be a teenager.

your command of the English language is far too poor for you to go around insulting the intelligence of others. Your response is barely understandable. You continue to show your lack of automotive savvy by saying Chrysler is known for bad transmissions when in fact Toyota is the one currently having transmission issues. BTW, why would Chrysler offer a lifetime powertrain warranty (hint: that includes the tranny) if they are having problems with transmission quality? Use common sense before typing anything.

BTW, please tell me how you can determine the resale value of the G8, Malibu or any other recent GM product. Buying a boring car simply because it might be worth more than another car in 5 years is something that only die hard, head in the sand, igonorant import fanatics like yourself do. If you like everything about a car and its resale just happens to be good, that is fine. But to make resale value your #1 priority when ranking vehicles is silly. Toyotas have better resale value than Audis but that doesn’t mean Toyotas are superior to Audis.

THe G8 is Australian but its GM crap from Australia and you are wrong I dont praise anything bc its foreign I praise the superior longer lasting more reliable product with higher resale value

Not some fashion symbol for a rapper”
Read the sentence again Fashion symbol FOR a rapper. Its in rap videos and used as a status symbol for rappers. You are an idiot So quick to try and take me apart you don’t even realize how little sense you make. Its sad you are uneducated

Gm owes its success comment wasnt made by me But since you are jumping the gun and not reading you confused me as the writer of that comment once again you are an idiot who jumps to conclusions

How is it BMW wannabe if they have been using it for 40 or 50 years?

stay tuned for ranting, insults and profanity from our boy 3on5 in response to my posts. Hey, anything but using a little logic and common sense.

Here it comes!

Another stupid comment from an unsurprising source. How many rappers do you think exist in the US that can afford an Escalade? 50? 75? The Escalade is the best selling SUV in its class and you dont sell 60k SUVs a year by catering only to hip hop celebrities. You cant seriously believe otherwise if you have half a brain. That is debatable of course.

I’m sure most of the 55 year old white guys who drive Escalades made that choice because they care what Fiddy Centy drives. You are a genius! thanks for explaining that to us. All the six figure Escalade owners who belong to country clubs and have kids in private schools are looking to rappers for tips on what vehicles to buy. Its so obvious but it took tripleon4 to show us the light!

I can barely follow your weak arguments. And yes, I am uneducated. I just happened to be at graduation on the day they were handing out free engineering degrees to anyone with a pulse. I did say move to Japan because I am racist, I said you should do so since you hate American cars and feel that the US is incapable of designing any car worthy of your money. What’s ironic is you praise anything that comes from a foreign country and the G8 comes from Australia. Since your criteria for greatness starts with a car not being native to the US I would think the G8 would be OK with you. The Maxima is underpowered and has a cheap interior. The new model has a better interior but is uglier than the 2008 model and still doesnt have the power or RWD layout needed to truly outperform the G8 or any other RWD car in this price range.

What I never get is that people like you who base the worth of a vehicle on sales or conquest sales is that you always leave out the F150 or Chrysler minivans when making such arguments. You say the G8 will fail just like the Malibu and the Malibu is crap because Camry and Accord owners arent trading in their cars in droves. Does that mean the Tundra is crap because it has barely made a dent in F150 sales? Is the F150 the best pickup simply because it has the most sales in class? Are the Chrysler minivans superior to the Odyessey simply because they outsell the Honda? Is the Fit worse than the Cobalt since the Chevy outsells it by a significant margin? Dont try to use sales figures or conquests to prove the competence of a vehicle unless you are going to do it across the board.

BTW, the G8 is a limited production model and really won’t be dependent on massive trade ins from Toyota owners to do well. It really doesn’t have many direct competitors and it definitely has no competition from Toyota or Honda.

“Learn to read and explain yourself Cadillac should sell the escalade as a capable reliable luxry SUV not some fashion symbol for a rapper”

You are clueless on every front. CAdillac has never used a rapper in an ad for the Escalade. Please inform us when and where Cadillac has officially asked for rappers to associate with the Escalade. Please tell us which ads CAdillac has aired featuring 50 cent or any other rapper. Learn the difference between Cadillac and Lincoln before posting any further. Do you know anything about cars? Why do you post here if you know so little? Stop trying to cover up your lack of knowledge with crude insults and misdirection in your responses.

No, I am not Commodore and never have been. If you can’t read, then how do you expect anyone to take your racist rants seriously?

Just a comment about the Escalade luxury SUV. Of course, it is a fashion statement. Does this come as a surprise to you? I mean, do you really believe that GM is selling the Escalade as a requirement to go off-road when it also sells Hummers, Tahoes, Yukons, and 4×4 versions of its pick-up trucks? Really? I guess you do.

Now more on the subject of will the Verve coming over Hmm. No Need4 your wrong. Unless you work over at Ford you don’t know more than moi.”

Yeah, in your dreams Ford Taurus Forever, that’s where you dream of driving your non existent 300hp Ford Verve, that I’ll believe it when I see it if it ever comes over here. Oh so do you work over at Ford???? You’re just like need more oil for GM, and tripleonefive. Hey it’s good that there are still some loyal Ford people out there. Ford is going to need brain washed buyers like you when their stock reaches $0 a share and their company starts tanking… Oh wait they already are!

1115

Your recalls are OLD. Do they prove that GM had quality issues in the past? YES, AND I DO NOT DISPUTE THAT. The fact that GM had recalls in the past cannot be used to support your opinion that they are “still” inferior.
Comment by Commodore, posted on September17 at 1:40 pm

GM owes the success of its Cadillac Escalade luxury SUV largely to Hip-Hop. *Exactly bc its not due to build quality or reliability Its a fashion stmt rather that something that will be around and last for decades. Same with the 300 and every other car in some rap or hip hop whatever video

However, when your posts are composed thinly-veiled racist comments, you have an adversary who will call you on it.* Why bc 50 cent is black ? Because I may or may not like c(rap) music?

I take a backseat to no one in my criticism of the Pontiac G8. Just read my previous post in this thread. Pontiac’s association of the car with Hip-Hop, however, is anything but desperate. Hip-Hop is the most popular music genre in the World today. It is a proven success in moving product. GM owes the success of its Cadillac Escalade luxury SUV largely to Hip-Hop.

The G8 has many legitimate issues on the merits. Point out these problems and you will have an ally against the fanboys on this forum. However, when your posts are composed thinly-veiled racist comments, you have an adversary who will call you on it.

Richard:”In my humble opinion, Japanese cars are boring appliances.”
some are.

It’s competition is difficult to describe – it excludes all front-wheel drive cars as no one who would buy it would ever own a FWD car. It excludes such things as the Infiniti G35 and the Lexus IS-350 as they are just no fun to drive for the serious enthusiast.

The competition is the Dodge Charger, used BMW 5-series and Mercedes-Benz E-class, and pick-up trucks and SUV’s. Nobody seriously interested in this car could care less about nav systems, cupholders, or seat recliner mechanisms. We haven’t got time to wait around for such items – CAFE is closing in.

The potential purchaser wants to relive the past (performance, design language) with contemporary handling and braking and that’s it – that’s all. They are only planning to sell 18,000 and they will have plenty of customers. The GXP will be a milestone car and with the LWB version (Zeta WM-platform) for the Chevrolet Impala on hold, very possibly the last of the breed.

Now more on the subject of will the Verve coming over Hmm. No Need4 your wrong. Unless you work over at Ford you don’t know more than moi.

As a matter of fact, Allan Mulally stated that Ford would be selling the same vehicle all over Ford’s Global village that means everywhere on Earth ok. That means what is sold in Europe will be sold here, China, or South American. and you know that is the way it should be. None of this North american bogus styling garbage. people are sick of the luke warm Focus.

So no we will be getting the Ford -Verve/Focus/Fiesta
It should be the best functional car that should be used throughout the globe as far as engines you say. A powertrain lineup that includes a 4-cylinder 2-liter engine with EcoBoost technology delivering 275 hp and 280 lb.-ft. of torque Its on several Green site and Ford’s ok. but it can always go higher