No doubt we will see a 600+ hp corvette soon!

Go Blue Devil!

LeftLane: You guys should have put up a pic of the Blue Devil!

Important to have Flagship car. Nonetheless, how about more thought to working continue working on the low end vette. A high end vette like this only hepls the stealers aka Dealers. Keep maturing up the low end vette – Power and class

SWEET!

Dang, 5 out of the last 6 Le Mans for the race version too, is it going to be 9 out of ten?
Sorry Euros, as much as I like your autos, it appears your goose in this class is going to be cooked for the forseeable future.

Hell yeah, I can’t wait man, the Z06 is an amazing machine already, 600+ hp in an even lighter car though…it will smoke anything out there.

It’s ok, Im pretty sure Dodge has something up their sleaves. They have been seen testing a car that resembles that one Mclaren viper concept. I think it was called the diamondback or something. Maybe an ACR?
Remember people, this is just a SRT-10 update.

I’m not sure Chevy needs to modify the Z06 too much…from what I hear of the Viper, it overheats at the drop of a hat (or clutch).

The Blue Devil is going to make the 2008 Viper play 2nd once more. I own a Z06 and call it “snake eater” for good reason.

i actually would like to see a stingray vette

you wont see this car at le mans…last i heard there was no forced induction aloud or else the 911 would be eating everyone up.

Read it and weep you corvette lovers. 75bhp might not sound alot but trust it is. Dodge always has something up its sleeve

http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewPic=y&source=gal&uID=119513&gID=1121&pgID=11&pID=510117&first=true

^ http://forums.streetfire.net/showthread.php?t=14703&highlight=dodge+viper

Oh puleeeze, Dodge has as much up it’s sleeve as Cindy crawford has in her pants. Dodge couldn’t produce reliable horsepower if they hired GM’s engineering staff, rented out the Bowling Green Corvette factory and rebadged Corvettes as Vipers.

They suck, they break, they burn and they crash. They’re squirrly to drive like a Porsche or Ferrari, their engines start choking at about 4000rpm’s, quality wise they are about equal to their Mercedes counterparts (Crap) and Chrysler reliabilty lives in the toilet.

GM is consistently praised for the Corvette, it will always remain the benchmark blows the competition away for it’s quality, reliability and ease of driving. No amount of horsepower is going to change peoples opinion of Chrysler. Get a clue.

A “Blue Devil” sounds like a sad devil to me. Whatever they create, it is going to melt tires into goo.

this guys is a joke really….. someone should ban him from the internet really

GMnumberon4ever,
Like I said previously before, I don’t think anyone on this site takes you seriously, so you kinda just wasting your time & energy typing these comments.

This is the first comment page where I see mostly praises for a GM product. I did read somewhere that they have updated the base vette a little for the upcomming year, i think it was supposed to get a small increase in hp (aprox. +25), dont know of anything else. Looking forward to seeing what Chevy’s got goin on. Besides wasn’t the Viper already more powerful by like 5hp? Its just heavier.

when it comes to Corvettes vs. Vipers i like the corvette more but its mainly because i just hate vipers. lookin forward to see the stingray/bluedevil/z07/SS wtv.

damn that viper looks good. Now this vette is nice but it could do with an iterior to match the rest of the car. And except for in america this car is kinda outclased. in the rest of the world this car is so expensive that it competes against cars it cant beat.

Not impressed. Damn near every reader on this site, including dumb ass “GMRules” could design a 600+ HP engine if we had… what? EIGHT+ litres to work with. C’mon guys. Granted, I like having that much power in a vehicle, but SRT has got to consider efficiency at least ONCE in the Viper’s lifetime. When an aftermarket Ferrari can put out 538 naturally aspirateed HP from a 4.3 litre engine (i.e. Hammann F430), SRT needs to be doing a bit better.

I honestley can’t imagine ever needing more the 300 hp; what the hell does one do with 500 hp?

corvettes or the guys that cant afford a 911

That power from the 8.4ltr engine is alot more reliable then the ferrari one as the engine is hell of alot less stressed

Corvette guys know not to pay so much for a POS German car. One that’s slower, sloppier, lower quality and maintains that atricious reliability.

Dont know for sure whats going to power this vette, but everything I have read reported the new motor was going to be a 6.2L with a supercharger. Dont quote me on that though. I thik I saw it on http://www.digitalcorvettes.com

The money I would be saving with buying a Z06 leaves me a lot of room for upgrades to stomp on any 911.

Don’t be afraid of displacement. As the saying goes, there’s no substitute for cubic inches. I would rather have an 8.2L V-10 with 600 horses than a 4.1L V-8 with 400 horses. Most of the smaller displacement high output DOHC engines I’ve seen happen to get WORSE fuel economy than their larger displacement pushrod rivals, while offering less reliability and durability.
This new Z06 will bring a lot of power to the table, and there’s nothing wrong with using displacement and maybe forced induction to get it to work reliably. Ferrari may claim higher horsepower per liter from their engines, but that won’t mean much when you just got smoked by a Blue Devil.
Case in point: the Honda S2000 has one of the highest outputs per liter of a naturally aspirated engine, but that doesn’t make it a fast car. Even Honda admitted that S2000 sales weren’t too good. I bet Honda would have sold a lot more S2000’s if it had a larger displacement twin turbo V-6, a naturally aspirated small V-8, or even a turbocharged or supercharged 4 cylinder with 300hp+. People want smooth power – 95% don’t care how it is delivered or about horsepower per liter.

“The money I would be saving with buying a Z06 leaves me a lot of room for upgrades to stomp on any 911. ”
The Z06 will stomp on any 911 bone stock – you don’t need any upgrades. OK, the 997 turbo is right about equal to the Z06 in overall performance, although the Z06 will kill it in a 0-150 race, but I wouldn’t consider it a stomping, merely a tie. Maybe the 997 GT2 will beat the Z06 on a track, but since it’s not out yet, it doesn’t count. But yeah, you could do a lot of upgrades for $60k price difference (versus 911 Turbo). Including a nicer aftermarket interior than the 911 could ever hope for. So all the people who slam the Corvette’s interior don’t have an argument here either.

Oh I thought the 911 was quicker kind of all around, I dont know much about the car, but I just read this article from car and driver and I guess their matched up to 120 than the z06 edges it out Im assuming upt to 198 where the z06 is limited.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/11326/2006-chevrolet-corvette-z06-vs-2006-ferrari-f430-vs-2007-porsche-911-turbo.html

The bigger question is… which car gets the hotter girl?

One gets Britney Spears (yee haa, y’all); the other gets Dita Von Teese (Schtept on it! Schnell!)

There is more to driving than out right speed. You all type like you spend your days racing from one stop light to the next.

I do. How else would I drive?

Shaweet! French fries rock.

Not sure you should use Ferrari and reliability in the same sentence. Very high maintinance and very high cost for the same. It is just worth it for the Ferrari ‘experience’, so you dont really hear complaints like you would if the Z06 had the same attributes.

every review i have ever read of a corvette vs 911 always say the SAME THING. Corvette is out right faster. 911 is better handling at any speed (especially high speeds), better interior, better ride. Porsche was right behind Toyota on the last reliability list i saw. if you want a NA engine go check out what they have in the back of a GT3.

Doesnt the GT3 cost like 500k?

“As the saying goes, there’s no substitute for cubic inches.” -Z06ified

There is no replacement for displacement you mean?

“Case in point: the Honda S2000 has one of the highest outputs per liter of a naturally aspirated engine, but that doesn’t make it a fast car.” -Z06ified

It was never designed to be as fast as a Corvette. It’s competitors were the Z3/Z4, Boxster, Miata, etc.

” I bet Honda would have sold a lot more S2000’s if it had a larger displacement twin turbo V-6, a naturally aspirated small V-8, or even a turbocharged or supercharged 4 cylinder with 300hp+. ”

That is just obsurd. It sounds to me like you are a person who is just interested in how much power a car has and the size of it’s engine. The S2000 was a perfectly balanced(weight distribution) “roadster”. Not a Nose-heavy, overpowered, demonstration of how big of an engine you can fit in a car like the LS2 powered Solstice. You take a Honda S2000 and a stock C6 and put them in a track with many turns, I bet you the vette would have an extremely hard time trying to shake the Honda of it’s rear bumper or maybe even catch up.

“”The money I would be saving with buying a Z06 leaves me a lot of room for upgrades to stomp on any 911. ”
-Z06ified

997 Carrera $72,400 MSRP -
Z06 $70,000 MSRP =
$2,400
I like how people always make it seem like the Z06 costs SO much less than a 911.

“The Z06 will stomp on any 911 bone stock – you don’t need any upgrades.” -Z06ified
Wooptie-doo! My more inexpensive 2006 Evolution IX MR is just as fast in acceleration and in cornering as a Porsche Cayman S, does that mean it’s a better car? Nope.

“OK, the 997 turbo is right about equal to the Z06 in overall performance, although the Z06 will kill it in a 0-150 race, but I wouldn’t consider it a stomping, merely a tie” -Z06ified

So it’ll kill it but you wouldn’t consider it a stomping? I don’t get it. You just contridicted your own statement.

“But yeah, you could do a lot of upgrades for $60k price difference (versus 911 Turbo). Including a nicer aftermarket interior than the 911 could ever hope for.”
-Z06ified

LoL ok, that is the funniest thing i’ve ever heard, but ok whatever you say man.

Porsche GT3
Performance
415 hp (SAE) @ 7,600 rpm
60 mph: 4.1 secs
Top speed: 193 mph
Price
$ 106,000.00

Also take into account Porsche performance numbers are always lowball and just about every magazine that tests one finds another few tenths in them.
no question the car i would buy. the Z06 is not selling for anywhere near sticker (local dealer wants $87k.) if you can afford 80k is 100k really a stretch?!

Z06ified-
“95% don’t care how it is delivered or about horsepower per liter” may be true for the American population . However, this is a site for car enthusiasts, and as it pertains to us, 95% do. I have no problem with a smaller, *-charged engine. Hell, the Ruf (Porsche) RT 12 has a twin turbocharged 3.8L V6 with 650 HP. I will admit. Engine efficiency is a very strong argument when it comes to the displacement battle; one that was not taken into account in my previous post. But even if efficiency is the concern, there’s not a single person here who can talk **** about Nissan’s twin turbocharged VQ engine in the upcoming Skyline…
This argument goes deeper than just the engine, in that American car makers lack innovation. A pushrod engine is about as complex as a wall socket. Granted I don’t know everything about one yet, give me 5 hours, and I’ll explain the engine’s architecture from top to bottom.

there IS a replacement for displacement….technology. its not 1969 anymore.

Andre News-
I think Z06ified was referring to the 997 GT2 when he mentioned the 60K price difference. The MSRP of the 911 GT2 is $191,700. (http://content3.eu.porsche.com/prod/911/gt204.nsf/usaenglish/gt2) Once it comes out, the 60K estimate may even be an underestimate.

^ ahhh ok. gotcha!

Blue Devil, Sting Ray, Z07, SS (altought possible) dont seem very good names for it apart from SS. I think they are going to tap into their ALMS experience from the C6.R and use that for this car. I’m thinking its going to be called the Z06.R because Chevy would want you to know its a Z06, only better. IDK, just speculation…

I agree that technology helps. But you can add the same technology to a large displacement engine. I dont think the v-tec is powering those top fuel dragsters. Hey “Andre Neves”, I made the comment about the Z06 being less expensive leaving more room for mods. Like I said, I dont know much about Porche, but the 911 that c&d put up against the z06 was 123k, I dont know how many different versions of the 911 they sell but 123k vs 65-75k for a z06 should leave me more than $2,400 in upgrades. Guess I need to look up more on the 911 though.

I like the Z06.R thing, sounds a lot better than Blue Devil, SS was never used on the vette so I dont see them using it now.

^ hey man, I understand what your saying man.

——>My ‘05 SRT-4 will SMOKE a GM Cobalt ha ha…….

——-> sike but back to tha subject………….

Holy hell, there is like 12 different 911 models!?!?!

Kendall,
Have you gone through any passenger-side axles yet? Modded?

The only thing hurting the Vette right now is that it’s too lightweight (strange problem, isn’t it?). MT said the car would handle better with a couple of sandbags in the back to keep it glued down. So would a HP increase actually really do anything for it?

——–>nah Andre, its stock…..ran thru ne side axles?nah…..not yet i suppose……..

ohh blue devil is ganna be badass!!!!!!!!!!!

I went through three sets on ‘em when I had my Srt-4. Too much damn torque on that thing. It was a fun car.

Can we all get on the same page for once concerning the price of a Z06? Sorry, but it may “list” at 70k. You CANNOT BUY ONE for much under 90k. When the Blue Devil comes out, listed at 100k, I guarantee they’ll be in short supply, and changing hands in the 120 range, AT LEAST!
And for those hung up on price/performance comparos, you also need then, to include RESALE into your calculations. We took a 01 Z06 in recently on trade, 13000 miles, showroom condition. We gave them 21grand, what they sell for at auctions. To compare, 1991 911 Turbos in top shape still bring over 50k. 97/98 Turbos have actually gone UP in value in the last few years and are currently holding about 70-75% value at 10 years old.
Every 10 year old vette I’ve ever sat in was falling apart.
The moral? There’s more to life than 0-60.

Stuart: damn right! Anyway, this is great news. It keeps both companies competitive while offering their customers plenty of goodies. Long live America. American Muscle Cars FTW.

——->norby413: DAGGON RIGHT!!!!

kiiiiiiiick Asssss!

—–>kick a donkey? where?

I believe Callaway already builds this car… the C16.

I think they should drop a new interior in there while they are at it. Can’t have the upcoming new Camaro to better the flagship Corvette. With the Camaro rumored to be powered by the Z06 engine, it would be a better bet being the flagship sportscar of GM because the design of the Corvette needs fixing.

what do u mean the sdesighn of the3 corvette needs fixing ur stupid!

Carnut4ever, you took the words right out of my typing fingers. At least upgrade the interior to that of Cadillac quality, or else nobody will buy this at what is probably going to be equal to M5 prices. (Different classes, I know, but at $90,000, one kind of expects an interior that is better than the company’s rental car offerings; actually people will buy it anyway. )

who cares GM? yes the blue devil will be sweet, but cmon, the Viper and the Corvette deal with two very different people, not to mention volume. Dodge probably anticipates selling under 1000 vipers, while corvettes are being shot out the door every minute. Its nice theres a little rivalry, but theres a bigger difference between the two than a “accord vs camry” matchup of the identicals. And yeah your stupid, the corvette design is perfect. Sorry there isnt a $5,000 leather package. The viper doesnt have one either. Nor does half of the other cars in this price range. Stop comparing its interior to a 911, and start comparing it to one of the other 50 cars sold in the vettes price range with questionable interiors, but mind blowing performance.

——->A4? WELL SPOKEN………….

Seconded, A4.

Yes, one of those 50 cars you have mentioned will be the rumored Z06 powered Camaro. All I’m saying is that GM should consider a minor redesign for the exterior and a full redesign for the interior while they are at it. What’s up with people who can’t accept the fact that the Corvette interior is ****ty and always shift the topic about the performance for the price and blah..blah..blah.. Yeah right, the design is perfect? What is it about the interior again? There are numerous 50k cars that have better interior than the Corvette.

—–>yea, dat’s because more money is spend on their interiors than their performance verses the corvettes performance to interior ratio: as long as i can see my instruments&gauges clearly, my interior doesn’t matter if i’m out there beatin porsche 911s…….based on the concept i just made, that’s why i’m drivin an SRT-4 now……….

No matter how fast they make the Corvette it will still be just a Chevy. Although they have achieved quite a bit in the ALMS series and in winning at Le Mans, they ‘vette still has the tacky, gold-chain wearing, hair-plugs-havin’, grease-ball driver stigma.

Still, it offers great bang for the buck, but then again so does Wal-Mart.

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This isn’t the camaro we’re talking about. The vette has associations beyond that. Michelle Kwan, Elvis, the 1950’s. It has been around a few years…

The blue devil–so what. They will produce about 1500/year for 2 years, whereas viper will go on and on. By the way good luck on getting one. Wait until you see the dealer mark up on the blue devil, assuming your dealership can even get one. The other thing is that most of you won’t be able to afford one, let alone see one.

I don’t think it fair to GM to say “Blue Devil? So what?”. Flagships are not meant for the average person to own. Flagship cars are intended to be the cream of a manufacturer’s crop. The Corvette has been that car since 1953. Flagships often are much higher priced than their corporate counterparts but offer increased performance and in many cases increased luxury. Luxury, however, is not the point of the Corvette. It’s sole purpose in life is to showcase the performance potential GM can produce. Now, that said, Dodge can’t produce reliable horsepower. The Viper may be extremely fast but many high speed tests reveal how greatly the company is deprived of quality. Also, GM and Dodge must rethink their method of creating horsepower. The days of “cubic inches are king” are long gone. Thank you to the eviro-freaks. An 8.4 litre engine must be capable of 840 bhp using the 100 hp/litre rule of thumb. Same applies to GM. Their 7.0 litre V-8 needs to produce 700 hp to meet the standard. Also, using modern technology, they should be produce mountains of power but be able to deliver moderate fuel mileage through devices like upgraded ECU’s, super-overdrive transmission, or even step out on a limb and develope a Continuously Variable Transmission. New technology has set a standard that GM, Ford Motor Company, and DaimlerChrysler fail to live up to.

The Corvette fails to deliver on good fuel economy? Its not supposed to be a Prius you know that right? Anyway why don’t you compare the 7L Z06 motor to the 5L M6 motor, or even the 3.8L in the 911 and tell me which one is worse at delivering on good fuel economy. Vette 16/26, M6 12/19, 911 18/26. So the Vette has a NA large CI motor, but clearly beats the smaller displacement BMW and nearly matches the 911 with a puny 3.8L with a turbo, turbos do a lot to improve performance as well as fuel economy. The Corvette has a heritage with the Small Block V8, not only that it keeps the price down from years and years of use and improvements. It would cost GM way too much money to just develop another motor to slap into the car so they could have something like a 5L motor that’s producing 500+ hp but also achieving excellent fuel economy. Leave that to the exotics that cost twice as much. Maybe one day, but I don’t see it happening anytime soon. Sure technology is great, its also expensive. The Corvette isn’t a 75K-125k dollar 911 or a 1.5M dollar Enzo, its a relatively inexpensive (44k-70k dollar) sports car that can compete with cars that are twice as much, and priced so a middle class person could afford it. Sure the interior could be better, but why nit pick every flaw, it already delivers on so much for such a reasonable price that the interior shouldn’t be that big of an issue. If that’s the case you need to be all over the Viper with a 86k dollar price tag, the vettes interior is leaps and bounds better. With that being said the Blue Devil, SS, Stingray whatever its called isn’t necessary going to have a huge motor, I heard its rumored to be a 6.2L with a Supercharger.

MSRP is what comparisons are usually based on (+ options). It is the only real reliable way to compare pricing as dealers all over the country will vary in their ‘market value adjustments’.
I would also be that the typical Z06 is probably driven harder during its life than the average 911. No evidence for that, just my humble opinion.

Isn’t it funny the Lutz introduced us to the Viper and now he is struggling to compete with it?

Struggling to keep up with it?

Please, Just look at sales figures, then profit margins.

The Corvette still is, and will always be, THE American sports car.

Yea Im a little confused with that one too. The current Z06 beats the SRT10 Viper and cost a lot less doing it. Seems like a win to me.

I don’t know but if I had the money to spend on either one I would opt for the one that corners better, built for racing not just looking pretty, looks more menacing, and didn’t make me look like a prick, you know the Viper.

I would buy the one that wasn’t a pos. I” thake the Z06.

POS huh? Have you ever had problems with a viper? have you ever known anyone that had a problem with a viper? Didn’t think so. I’m not saying the Zoh6 is a POS, I’m just saying that for only $15,000 dollars more I would buy something with style, performance, and didn’t make me look like a prick.

Viper is slower, doesn’t handle as well, gets worse mpg, looks like a big S2000 and is a heavy mofo. So, instead of pricks buying it, I guess clueless people buy it…..

I work for a huge Dodge/Jeep and Chrysler store. I see all sorts of Vipers in the shop all the time. They are fantastic on the track, no doubt about that. But as far as a driver they suck. Their not as reliable and that’s coming from the mechanic. Looks are all subject of opinion, I like the looks of the Vette more. Its always great when your not paying attention exiting a Viper and scorch your leg! That’s a ton of fun. The POS was a little over the top I will give you that, but it was only because you seem to think its appropriate to call Vette owners pricks. Only $15,000 dollars more, you must have one hell of a payroll! I couldn’t justify another 15k because it looks a little better. Have a good day Rich Boy! Hahaha Why don’t you go back to your fancy rich boy yacht and have a private party with all your Richard friends? lol

bb_454 Ha! I wish I could afford a Viper or a Vette. I was simply stating that IF I could afford either I would choose the Viper. The Viper is all about business and that’s the way I like any car that I own. Don’t you think that if the exhaust was such a big deal that they would change that? I guess it isn’t as big a deal as most think. My experience with Vette owners (old and new) proves to me that they are pricks. However, people that would like to own a Vette but don’t are not pricks at all.

Bigfatguy The current stock Viper Coupe already outhandles and out brakes the precious “invincible” Z06.The 2006 Viper Coupe is only mere tenths of a second slower on the tests it didn’t beat the Z06 on. This could all be improved with a better driver, mind you, which some magazines have already proven. The Viper weighs 3,410 lbs while the Z06 weighs 3,150 lbs

Tenths of a second slower with 2 more cylinders 5 more HP, and an extra $20k on the sticker! I read plenty of reviews too, and your right, the Viper does brake a little better, and it does handle better. But the reviews I saw still say the Vette wins in a road course because its nearly as good at handling but its quicker. I also don’t melt my leg off getting out of it, lol. I like when my flesh stays on my leg! Maybe your right about guys that own Vette’s being a prick for the most part, but to be honest, I have quite a few guys in here with their vipers that aren’t any better. Besides my Vette has much better interior! You damn rich people just like to argue though, jeez! lol Thing that bothers me about Viper guys, they think that the Viper is the end all be all of sports cars, like thier can’t be something faster, or better looking, or that a 8.2L V10 that’s puts out 510hp is some great feat. Its a good car on the track, but Chevy now has something that beats it, and not just on the sticker! Well that is until 2008 when the 600hp Viper comes out.

Trust me I’m not rich. I wish I was, bet you do too. If I owned a Viper I wouldn’t think that it was the “end all be all of sports cars”, heck I would know that mine wasn’t, but I would strive for it. Just to correct you it is an 8.3L(15cc’s away from). They started the Viper with the V10 because they were out to prove that they can build an American Supercar. It wasn’t until later that Dodge built the 6.1L, which if they were to put into the Viper it would upset most Viper owners(as much as a Charger with 4drs). Hence the Firepower! which was aimed at the Corvette. I could care less about interiors, especially in a car that was made for racing. Speaking of the 08 did you see the Viper modded by Mopar(the black one with the off center red stripe)? 675hp pretty awesome. I can’t wait to see the specs on it.

I just wish chevy doesn’t supercharge the damn thing like all the magazines say, corvettes have never been supercharged or turbocharged before. And the LS7 is capable of making more than 600 HP N/A. I dont know it just seems like the cheap way out.

I’m just playin about the rich thing, its something I joke around with about everyone. Yea I saw the gun metal colored Viper with the red stripe, I thought it looked bad ass. Should be interesting over the next couple years with the two cars. I wouldn’t mind the Vette getting a Turbo or SC, just means the engine is more efficient. Only concern I have is that I want it to still have a v8.

My favorite is the Corvette and always will be but I love the Viper too. But unless you’ve got the cash to buy one (and not too many of us do) it’s all pointless.

I could afford a regular vette, just not a Z06. I don’t find it pointless, that’s like saying you cant discuss politics unless your a politician.

Agreed bb_454