GM bankruptcy talks not slowing Chevrolet Volt development

GM bankruptcy talks not slowing Chevrolet Volt development

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By Drew Johnson

General Motors has cut the cord on several models for 2010 – including the Chevrolet Impala SS, Cobalt SS Sedan, Pontiac G6 GXP and Cadillac STS-V – but the Detroit automaker says the revolutionary Chevrolet Volt is still on schedule for a November 2010 launch, despite the company’s delicate financial position.
GM spokesman Tom Stephens revealed earlier this week that the Chevrolet Volt program has not been altered due to GM’s current financial woes, and the plug-in EV will make it to market by late next year. “At this point in time, I know of no reason why we can’t be in production by November of 2010,” Stephens told Automotive News.
Stephens said GM is currently deciding on which other brand should get a vehicle based on the Volt’s Voltec technology. With Saab, Saturn and Pontiac off the table, the Volt’s counterpart will be given to either Cadillac, Buick or GMC.
“We have to consider what is the usage of the person buying the vehicle,” he said of the decision making process. “For a commuter who drives 40 miles a day and takes it shopping on weekend, it’s the perfect application.”
Despite Stephens’ anonymity, insiders say GM has already given the green light to the Cadillac Converj.
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1. tripleonefive447 days ago
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  Nov 2010 now huh
  this should have been ont he market 3 years ago
  
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2. RaineMan447 days ago
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  I wonder if the battery cable on the Volt will fail the same way the one on the Camaro SS did?
  
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3. llt21447 days ago
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  GM posted a 6 BILLION loss. Will GM even be around in January 2010. I think not.
  
  Thanks GM keep it up.
  
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4. STUDEBAKER HAWK447 days ago
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  “PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE LITTLE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!”
  
  Also: our latest shipment of snake oil has arrived and will be hitting dealerships late next year.
  
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5. Borat447 days ago
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  I guess the program was decelerated due to departure of Mr. Putz. It was targeted as 2010 model. In November of 2010 comes out 2011 model, in remote case that it will come out.
  Their real misfortune is that 2012 is election year, and in 2011 (right after November of 2010) there will be a lot of soul searching of what went wrong and why after spending 60 billions by that time GM is still coughing blood and all in red on balance sheet.
  
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6. bigs4610447 days ago
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  1115?
  O RLY?
  please tell me where Toyota’s FULL EV car is right now?
  
  i love you you fcuking import humping homo $exuals with needle dick$ jump all over this post, yet you have nothing to say about Toyota and THEIR BIGGEST LOSS EVER
  
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7. leftwingagenda447 days ago
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  how should it have been released 3 years ago? we still don’t have the infrastructure to recharge these things, and we certainly didn’t have it in 2006…
  
  and if a camaro battery cable is the only angle you can think of to flog that dead horse from, then things are looking pretty good in volt land…
  
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8. JakeK66447 days ago
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  Nice one Leftwing…
  
  It’s wasy to say the next iteration of this should be a Cadillac – BUT – with many Cadillac and Chevy dealers teaming up, it doesn’t give a version for the Buick/GMC dealers which is why I wouldn’t be suprised to see it as a Buick.
  
  Now I’m gonna get some flack for this next statement – but with Buicks future designs, it would look better than the Cadillac version anyway. I’ve never been a fan of Cadillac’s Art and Science design philosophy – the CTS’s chromed beak is hideous – the 2010 LaCrosse looks better in my eyes although I’m sure it will lack the CTS driving finesse.
  
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9. bigs4610447 days ago
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  EXACTLY LEFTWING
  where are all the power stations that are going to support EV vehicles?
  non-existent.
  
  and an EV car is going to cost $40,000?
  how is the gov’t going to pitch that to half the american working force who was just put out of work?
  
  “Hey there, go and buy this $40,000 EV car because it is better for the environment.”
  
  Even the incompetent can realize that the $25,000 Malibu would be more “economical” on their wallets.
  
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10. Borat447 days ago
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  Lefty, this things, at least in theory, does not require infrastructure. It has a gasoline motor that charges batteries and those drive electric motor. Gas you can buy anywhere, and now cheaper then a year ago.
  
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11. johnnycanuck447 days ago
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  Ya gotta love ‘em. Still swinging for the fences even though they’re down 16 billion runs in the bottom of the ninth.
  
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12. tripleonefive447 days ago
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  Tell me where Gms FULL EV car is ??? HATell me where their full hybrids are as well ???
  
  “The camaro battery cable is the only angle”
  Yea that and having low resale, bad reliability, multiple recalls on their old and new product(including the trucks and Corvettes that have roofs that fly off) Having to use tax payer money to stay afloat I would say I have MANY angles
  This thing will be recalled just like the Camaro if it ever does come out
  
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13. andy447 days ago
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  llt21; and toyota posted a 7, will they be around?
  
  i dont see the volt need any sort of charging infrastructure, for fast charges install a 220v in your garage, if not let er’ go on the 120… drive your 40 miles, let the gas go another 300 (or what ever is will be), fill up the tank and keep going… charge up when you get to where you are going.
  
  this car is on schedule, sort of, this technology takes time, so to say it should have been out in 2006 is complete BS.
  
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14. carstuff447 days ago
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  1115, I now know how little you really know about cars. A concept was introduced in 2007. So in less than 4 years it goes from concept to production. That is simply amazing for a all new architecture by itself, much less all new technology.
  
  Form 2007 article “GM has officially inserted the Volt into its production schedule which means that the car could be in dealerships as early as 2010. They’re doing it…for real, they’re making this car.”
  
  I believe November has been the planned production date for a long time.
  
  They have a number of “full ” hybrids. Go to http://www.chevrolet.com and you can find them there.
  
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15. gugy447 days ago
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  $40k for this car.
  No way!
  It should be at the most $30k.
  I predict GM having really hard time selling this car at this price. It should cost the same as a Prius well equipped. Good luck with that.
  
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16. eal2009447 days ago
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  1115,
  You are an idiot. The GM two mode hybrid is more advanced than anything TOYOTA ever made!
  As far as recalls TOYOTA has had more than GM in 2007, even though GM has more cars on the road.
  The Tundra and Camry are nightmares. And for past nightmares look into TOYOTA CARES LLC.
  That is a fund that TOYOTA set up to payoff all of the 1995 -2000 Tacoma owners whose trucks
  had frame rot problems so bad that TOYOTA had to buy them back and crush them. The local
  Toyota dealer had a storage lot with over 200 Tacoma buy backs in it, all on the way to the junk yard!
  
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17. tripleonefive447 days ago
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  Now Eal
  Namecalling will get you nowhere and neither will being a liar
  
  GM two mode hybrid is more advanced than anything TOYOTA ever made!
  Yea im sure you have some evidence to back that up
  
  GM trucks were recalled for catching on fire and so where the 3.8 Liter Gm as well as the Lambda CUVS and the Malibu
  Who still has higher resale by the way ?????
  
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18. Mutant@DCX447 days ago
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  I’ll bet the customer waiting list is shorter than the 2009 Camaro, and the release date pushbacked 3 years more.
  
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19. carstuff447 days ago
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  “GM two mode hybrid is more advanced than anything TOYOTA ever made!
  Yea im sure you have some evidence to back that up”
  
  1115, you know that data means nothing to you and any data contrary to your opinion would be either ignored or somehow blown off as not worth anything.
  
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20. monte447 days ago
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  The two mode in GM trucks is more advanced than toyota, especially in the trans. There are many physical sytems involved in the hybrid systems, just the programming callibration alone is insane. This is why GM shared this tech with Mercedes, nobody wanted toyota tech. The current Malibu hybrid isn’t the biggest breakthrough, but this is why the Volt is coming out, and will be better than anthing out right now.
  
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21. tripleonefive447 days ago
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  Your Comment1115, you know that data means nothing to you and any data contrary to your opinion would be either ignored or somehow blown off as not worth anything.
  That means you dont have any data and neither does anyone
  
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22. beatusmongous447 days ago
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  It doesn’t matter. The Swine Flu is going to kill us all before 2012 anyway.
  
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23. A4447 days ago
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  OMGOMGOMG I BET GMC GETS THE TECHNOLOGY! GOOD CALL LLN!!!!!! jesus
  
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24. A4447 days ago
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  and OMG 300 CAMAROS WERE RECALLED 1 DAY AFTER DELIVERY!!!! HOLY FVCK GM SUCKS!!! NEVERMIND THAT THEY’RE GONNA SELL 100,000 OF THEM A YEAR!!! 300? SCREW THEM!!!!
  Toyota sucks, they have NOTHING close to this, they have a 4th place full-sized truck thats uglier than sin, and a bunch of cars that look like beat up UFO’s. Its nice to see toyota giving the blind a chance to design cars, but there comes a point when you really just have to give it up. 1115, you have no arguements left.
  IN CASE YOU FORGOT 1115, in January toyota recalled 1.3 MILLION YARIS’s for a SEATBELT DEFECT!
  yes that is 1,300,000 vs 0,000,300 camaro’s.
  BARELY A WEEK BEFORE THAT 214,500 Lexus’s were recalled for a faulty fuel pipe! thats 214,500 VS 000,300; over a damn battery cable that is just some 4 gauge wire and probably comes loose, and unless you’re a complete moron (which most people that jump on a waiting list and overpay anyway are) you can probably pop the hood and rig it back up to get the car running.
  Blow it out your @$$ 1115, the 300 recalled camaro arguement is dead.
  
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25. llt21447 days ago
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  Correct me if I wrong. If I buy NEW 2010 Camaro right now, will I have to take it to the shop before I can drive it home.
  
  Thanks GM keep it up.
  
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26. DrFill447 days ago
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  A4 is still smarting from Toyota Tundra beating Silverado (again) and F-150 this week on the Inside Line comparison
  Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
  DrFill
  
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27. jdasch1447 days ago
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  Please… everyone that is worried about the “charging infastructure” being a problem has been brainwashed by the same people that bring you petroleum products. If you have a 115 volt outlet with a 20 amp breaker, you have a charging station for this car. And if you do not charge it …ooops I forgot to plug it in last night….no problem…it will run on 87 pump gas until you do get to plug it in. The largest problem with electric cars is the battery technology and battery component availibility. These batteries have to be robust and easy to get. GM has a very hard, long road to hoe when it comes to electric cars and reliable. I believe Toyota or Ford will make the splash first. GM although now stands for Government Motors, so the current new owner of GM has the most money of any car company…all bets are off. GM may just pull this car off just to show that it can. I really, really, really want to buy an American electric car, so I will be waiting for the first one that has dealer support across the country and good functionality…no pea shaped cars that can’t go 80MPH or 2 seaters. My next new car will have a plug in….I’m waiting…
  
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28. A4447 days ago
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  what the hell is an inside line comparison? nothing can make up for the tundras hideous styling and limited options, not to mention lack of heavy duty models with diesel powertrains. The tundra is 4th place, i dont care what a bunch of no-name jap huggers have to say about it.
  
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29. bauer100447 days ago
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  you people are making this car something its not. if you knew all the details about this car you shouldnt need an explanation.
  
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30. A4447 days ago
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  in fact, Dr Fill, here is what Truck Trend said in their latest comparison shoot-out between Chevy/Dodge/Ford/Nissan/ AND TOYOTA:
  
  “For us, the Chevy Silverado was the best overall choice, balancing power, performance, value, and quality. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. We have to admit it came down to the Chevy and Ford (Dodge will be a strong player this year as well), and maybe the home field gave the Silverado the slight advantage, but with a strong powertrain story and a top-notch interior layout (not to mention a pretty good price advantage), our pick by a nose (and a very small nose at that) is the Chevy Silverado LTZ.”
  
  The Toyota was not even mentioned in their final choice, and any “american bias” you think they might have certainly does not make up for the huge margin that seems to be in place.
  
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31. teahead447 days ago
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  Even if the Volt delivers all that high-mpg capability, if they put it in that ugly Volt body, it won’t sell.
  
  Put the drivetrain in a Malibu!
  
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32. cocojoe53447 days ago
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  Unless its priced below 30,000, its dead in the water
  
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33. A4447 days ago
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  well toyota put their garbage in the prius body, and that sold, and this looks 100 times better than a prius, so guess what, itll sell
  
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34. Lau447 days ago
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  A4, your total data just pwned 1115 to the ground from earlier lol.
  
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35. carstuff446 days ago
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  Is there data on the Toyota hybrid system vs. the BMW/Daimler/GM Two mode hybrid system? To be honest I have not read a direct comparison. Has anyone?
  
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36. tripleonefive446 days ago
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  Lau, Im sure A4 is blowing you away I see who the woman is in that relationship
  
  A4 mad huh LOL Camaro issue IS NOT dead! It is alive and well and no matter how you ignore it it wont go away. Have Lau or SJ Blow your @$$
  
  Lets see GM recalls 950,000 oh that’s 0,950,000 and a few weeks before that they recalled 1.5 million V6-equipped cars that’s 1,500,000. Oh and the 09 Chevrolet Malibu was recalled for transmission issues 277,000 or 0276,000
  
  The 0,950,000 and 0,277,000 were the NEW GM cars and the 1,500,000 were there previous models meaning the NEW GM is just as unreliable as the OLD GM
  
  Lau, I’m sure you are good at math, add that up after you get A4s **** out of your mouth
  Thanks
  
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37. Lau446 days ago
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  lol 1115, i’m not even sure why i’m replying to you but here goes.
  
  I’m not sure waht your deal is, but you really like to a) go on every american car topic here, and argue why they’re bad. b) argue on every american car topic here on how everything else (namely, the japanese companies) are equivalent to the holy grail. c) become angry with peoples opinions when they don’t agree with you d) resort to insults, which might I add is rather childish, and e) have a complete lack of respect for others peoples opinions (which, btw they are entitled too)
  
  fact of the matter is, you’re one very pathetic person that needs to learn to grow up and now, the agonizing wait for your reply…
  
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38. tripleonefive446 days ago
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  Your deal is
  a) You are supporting A4′s argument without providing any evidence to support it, which by the way is adult like behavior. Try forming your own opinion or at least provide some credible evidence to support the option of others. A4 provided numbers, I provided more. Like I said I’m sure you are good at math so add the numbers up and then make your comments. The numbers support my argument every time
  
  b) I rarely resort to insults, usually people insult me bc they can’t disprove what I have been saying since I got on this pro domestic love board. In certain cases an insult may be necessary to get my point across
  
  c) I only have respect for the FACTS and the facts support my argument. Sure people are entitled to opinion but the idiots on this board make outrageous claims like “GM is equal to Honda and Toyota in quality”, when there are no facts to support it. When it comes to recalls GM have more if we are talking resale value cars from Honda and Toyota are higher. The numbers are in favor of the Honda and Toyota making better more reliable cars than D3 and there is no credible evidence to the contrary.
  
  You have nothing to say and thought you could get on this board agreeing with some mindless comment and you were dealt with properly. I know it hurts but stay in your place next time and things like this wont happen.
  I hope you have learned your lesson
  
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39. A.J.446 days ago
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  1115, can you please stop talking about resale, reliability, and quality? OK, Toyota and Honda build (mostly) better cars than the Detroit 3. I’m a GM insider, but there are still vehicles from Honda, Toyota, and even Nissan that I would consider buying (like the Avalon and Venza), because they’d be the right cars for me. You really don’t need to put domestic supporters down every chance you get by mentioning recalls and the like.
  
  Case in point, this article is about none of those things. This article shows that GM is still committed to the Volt project no matter what financial situation that they’re in. If GM can pull it off and pull it off right, it can be a revolutionary vehicle with a kind of powertrain that can become the powertrain of the future.
  
  I wish GM the best of luck right now. They certainly need it.
  
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40. tripleonefive446 days ago
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  1115, can you please stop talking about resale, reliability, and quality? -Absolutely NOT! Its the truth and numbers back it up
  
  OK, Toyota and Honda build (mostly) better cars than the Detroit 3- remove “(mostly)” and the comment will be correct
  
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41. A.J.446 days ago
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  Do Toyota and Honda build a better muscle car than the Chevrolet Camaro? No. And don’t even talk about a recall – the volume seller, the V6, was not recalled.
  Do they build a better luxury sedan than the Cadillac CTS? No. The only Jap. car that can even compare to it is the Infiniti G, which is smaller than the CTS.
  
  Other than that, they’ve got them beat. But give the Detroit companies SOMETHING to cheer about – they’re in enough trouble and don’t need any more negative comments toward them. They’re trying to keep their company going, and they need as much time as they can get to get products like the Volt to market.
  
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42. carstuff445 days ago
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  Wow, all of a sudden 1115 thinks he uses data!
  
  Anyway, if you think that just saying that industry accepted data is bogus so that you can keep your opinion then you do not “have respect for the data”.
  
  JD Power is used by Toyota, Honda, GM, Chrysler and Ford (have no knowledge that others use it) to set up their quality goals. This data is not bogus. Guess I have no way to prove it except to say that warranty cost at both Ford and GM has plummeted over the last 10 years while their JD Power IQS and VDS have shown huge improvements.
  
  Form 2007 “Significantly, warranty repairs at dealers have decreased 40 percent during the past five years.” and the improvements have continued.
  
  Now how could this happen? Well first GM had to gets its butt kicked to see it needed to improve quality. They started a huge quality improvement program 12 years ago.
  
  BUT I believe the largest cause for improvement is the rationalization of suppliers. The OEMs now use basically all the same suppliers and therefore have the same quality.
  
  Today the reliability of cars is so good most people have few or no problems and the problems they have are minor.
  
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43. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  Do Toyota and Honda build a better muscle car than the Chevrolet Camaro?
  Define better. If you mean do they make a car that wont be recalled in the first week (V6 or not). If so then yes if Honda still sells the S200 roadster.
  It’s really an invalid question Does Chevy sell a better minivan than Odyessy or Sienna ?
  
  Do they build a better luxury sedan than the Cadillac CTS? Yes its called the TL and the GS350
  
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44. Struggle445 days ago
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  Until Acura makes the TL, or even RL for that matter more powerful and luxurious than the CTS, then your statement 1115 is sorely lacking.
  
  I really doubt a 4 banger is in the ‘Muscle car’ category. As ‘Muscle car’ was a 60′s term when 4 bangers we not considered having any brawn at all. Perhaps today, but the term still remains.
  
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45. A.J.445 days ago
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  S2000 roadster? It’s a car with a BASE price as much as a fully-loaded Camaro V6 2LT RS that is on its way out after MY2009. Oh, and that recall was issued by GM itself, and only affected 300 or so V8-EQUIPPED vehicles. You’re never gonna let that go, are you? 300 people get to have a quick trip to the dealer and have their car fixed for free. Big deal.
  
  The TL? The GS350? While the GS350 matches the CTS blow for blow, the TL doesn’t even compare – it’s more in line with Buick’s upcoming Lacrosse.
  
  Minivan? What minivan? There is no sort of minivan on Chevrolet’s website.
  
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46. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  Well there is no sort of Muscle car in Honda or Toyotas lineup thereofre you asked an invalid trick question and got caught
  It doesnt matter that 300 got recalled it was recalled so its a FACT so stop trying to dance around it
  Are you talking price ? Resale Quality ? What I answered your question Please answer mine
  the TL doesn’t even compare How so ? Was the last generation recalled for the rear axle ? No
  
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47. DB9445 days ago
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  ^lol:-)) No, not axles – transmissions – in the TL and CL. How many people went through more than one? I know of a couple. Google it trippsy;-) What’s that Cool Dawg… yeah, School must be out:-)
  
  DB9
  
  giggles
  
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48. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  2004 -2009 TL had no such issue
  
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49. monte445 days ago
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  Yes they did, get off your computer and out of your moms basement. Reallity isn’t so bad.
  
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50. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  Uhh NO they really didn’t so get your facts str8 and look up the resale of the 2004 -2008 TL. I’m sure you are at the local library using the free community internet lol
  
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51. monte445 days ago
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  lol, huh? Were you really laughing out loud at telling yourself bad jokes. I mean, I was because your so clever. And why would I look up resale on a car I would never buy no matter what the price was?
  
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52. monte445 days ago
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  I wouldn’t by a car that blows power steering fluid all over and starts a fire 04-08, gotta love it!
  
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53. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  Huh what ? power steering fluid Is that the best you can come up with ?
  What happened to the transmission ? You wont look up the resale bc you cant afford it and you know its higher than that POS CTS
  
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54. monte445 days ago
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  Oh, you mean how the shafts locks up and you crash, then the power steering fire starts, and all the while you die in a car fire because you were knocked out because the air bags don’t work. You mean that? Maybe I would want to know resale so I could get rid of it ASAP, thanks for the advice!
  
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55. monte445 days ago
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  I also don’t look up used car values, I buy new
  
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56. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  No I was thinking about the CTS Rear diff failure that can cause loss of power and control resulting in a crash. Or an improperly tightened bolt that could loosen resulting of separation of the upper and lower steering shafts. You have to LOVE IT !
  And suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure you buy new I believe you
  Shut your mouth and know you place
  
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57. monte445 days ago
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  That’s weird, I don’t recall mentioning the CTS. Way to divert attention away from the acura POS.
  
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58. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  yea pay attention to the arguments of AJ and DB9 dip**** That was what we were talking about b4 you decided tho throw your worthless comments in Stick to the script and stay in your place
  
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59. monte445 days ago
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  Then why would you bring up the cts in a response to me? Do you have a.d.d. or something? Or do you have trouble concentrating after banging your head off your defective air bag?
  
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60. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  Next time dont jump into a convo until you fully read and understand what is being discussed Children do that. I’m sure you are embarrassed and you should be.
  I would make a comment about you crashing the CTS due to one if its MANY recalls but you already get the idea
  Make sure you R E A D next time you decide to make a mindless comment
  You may go to bed now or better yet make another mindless comment so I can defeat you again
  
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61. fourspeed445 days ago
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  i can’t wait to see how these electric cars work in cold weather, and wait till you have to replace the batteries. there is to much to please the gobal warming crowd to make them warm and fuzzy
  
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62. monte445 days ago
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  1115, I was in this forum since it was actually talking about hybrids, something you know nothing about. You only change the subject to fit your arguement, thats why you changed it after I explained what a POS the acura is. I don’t need a responce from you to something I didn’t mention. So go spend the rest of the night loking up used cars, seems you do that a lot. Keep hope, someday you can get that used honda you always dreamed of.
  
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63. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  Monte, You decided to make a mindless comment stemming from the what was said btw Aj DB9 and myself. You didnt read the argument which you should have and you spoke too soon and lost and then tried to back peddle and it didnt work
  I explained what a POS the CTS is and when I asked you to look at the resale to compare the two you didn’t bc you knew the TL was higher or you did and found out the TL was higher Either way you lost!.
  
  So go spend the rest of the night being embarassed about being wrong on all counts and try to think of some witty comebacks so you dont feel so bad about being an asshole who jumped the gun.
  Keep hope that someday you can actually afford a new car someday and not just talk about it on car boards.
  Finished
  
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64. monte445 days ago
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  I think it was mindless when you changed the from the subject of this thread to camaros and recalls, it’s you that should stay out of the conversation and stay on subject. Why do you think everyone else also tells you you’re an idiot? I supose you are the only one that really knows! We are soooooooo lucky to be in the presence of such genious! So maybe you could wait for a thread about resale or recalls to post in. Untill then the rest of us adults would like to talk like adults on the subject in the article. Or just keep it up and I’ll just keep owning you. Later
  
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65. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  you were already finished and its obvious that you are still embarrassed about it
  What you think doesn’t matter lol and if you read the entire thread you will see the Camaro recall was mentioned by leftwingagenda
  Once again you cant R E A D and you are O W N E D and F I N I S H ED
  Geez this is easy
  
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66. monte445 days ago
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  ^ Refer back to my last comment. ^
  
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67. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  F I N I S H E D
  
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68. bigs4610445 days ago
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  @1115
  do you have a girlfriend?
  
  that is all…
  
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69. bigs4610445 days ago
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  and if were gona get all technical like you 1115, mr smarty pants
  
  you’ll be glad to hear that YOU ARE OWNED.
  
  Leftwingagenda did not bring up the argument about the camaro battery cable
  Raine Man did
  
  read it and weap you pile of worthless $hit.
  go jerk0ff to your japanese skat p0rn you $ick twisted brainwashed Fcuk
  
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70. tripleonefive445 days ago
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  @bigs4610
  Of course I don’t care but being that you asked that question late night seemingly in defense of Monte I should ask is he your girlfriend?
  That is not all…Say something relevant to the thread or cars in general and stop trying to pick up guys
  Oh by the way
  tripleonefive
  Nov 2010 now huh
  this should have been on the market 3 years ago ME
  
  Left wing agenda
  how should it have been released 3 years ago? we still don’t have the infrastructure to recharge these things, and we certainly didn’t have it in 2006… HIS RESPONSE TO ME
  and if a camaro battery cable is the only angle you can think of to flog that dead horse from, then things are looking pretty good in volt land…TO ME AGAIN
  
  go play on twitter
  
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71. CADDY-V444 days ago
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  111Guy:
  What problems do the CTS have?
  If your only negative is the rear end in the very first CTS-V than that is old news.
  I had a 05 CTS that I put 80k on in two years with zero problems.
  When the new CTS-V came out I had to trade it in. The new CTS-V is a monster!!
  GM did learn from there mistakes on the first CTS-V. That is why they put in up against cars like the M5, and not up against any of the j3 cars.
  
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72. CADDY-V444 days ago
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  and the CTS got Car Of The Year in 08 so what does that tell you?
  
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73. monte444 days ago
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  Tells me its pretty sweet.
  
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74. tripleonefive444 days ago
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  What problems do the CTS have?
  LOL I mentioned them and so did you and then glossed over it. This is too funny. I’m sure you had no problems at 80 k lol. That is a lot of mileage for an American car so that is pretty impressive lol. J2 (Toyota and Honda ) go more like 150-200k with little or no issues but thats fine
  Im sure your car is Godzilla, Cloverfield, your mother or whatever you want to call it
  CTS as car of the year – I think after about 17 years I think it was time for MT to throw Caddy a bone
  Its 09 by the way
  
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75. monte444 days ago
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  LOL, your right. LOL HAHAHAHAHAH,LOL, oh I just can’t stop laughing, you are funny LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. I’m glad you put LOL in every post so I know that you’re funny. Too bad they don’t have an acronym for stupid, but that comes through all on its own.
  
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76. bigs4610444 days ago
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  dude are you kidding me 1115?
  have you ever owned an american car to begin with?
  have you seen or heard about the early 90′s million mile chevy pickup?
  on the same frame, motor, tranny, ALL ORIGINAL
  
  jesus man you are seriously losing it
  
  AMERICAN CARS ARE BUILT TO LAST.
  
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77. tripleonefive444 days ago
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  Too bad they dont have an acronym for F I N I S H E D
  
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78. bigs4610444 days ago
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  http://www.leftlanenews.com/mans-chevy-1200-miles-from-million-mile-mark.html
  
  80k? high mileage? 1115 you are hopeless, there’s no point in arguing with you any farther. I can sit here and bring up FACTS all day long. Yet you will continue to divert from the facts, bring up pointless things, and laugh because you think your a car czar who knows everything there is to know about quality, dependability, performance, and desire.
  
  go back to stalking little girls on myspace.
  
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79. bigs4610444 days ago
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  “Too bad they dont have an acronym for F I N I S H E D”
  ??? O RLY ???
  
  case in point 1115.
  i give you facts, and all you can say is a pointless USELESS statement.
  just like yourself
  
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80. tripleonefive444 days ago
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  The though the truck has seen four radiators, three gas tanks, five transmissions and six water pumps, HA Nothing major and it doesnt say what point hose went and until but nice try Keep looking kid Im sure you will find something worthwhile …or maybe not
  you can join Monte now F I N I S H E D
  
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81. tripleonefive444 days ago
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  Also show me a passenger car from GM that has done that without fail or fifty three gas tanks, eighty five transmissions and sixteen water pumps. In the interest of GM trucks and LLN
  http://www.leftlanenews.com/nhtsa-expand-fire-inestigation-involving-gm-trucks-and-suvs.html
  You actually thought that mattered is the funny part Ill be waiting while you scramble
  
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82. monte444 days ago
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  Show me a link to a japanese vehicle that has done that ever, tranmissions or not. I don’t care what they fixed on it, just show me one thats done it.
  
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83. tripleonefive444 days ago
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  Once again
  You are finished and you still cant come up with your own arguments can you Still embarassed huh ?
  
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84. monte444 days ago
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  Thanks for the proof
  
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85. A4444 days ago
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  oh sorry 1115, i thought i would just go ahead and mention the most RECENT recalls from toyota, let me go back and get the rest of the recent ones, and recap a total for you.
  
  Yaris: 1,300,000
  Lexus: 214,500
  Matrix/Vibe: 660,000 (A toyota vehicle designed for GM, who are you gonna try and blame on that one?)
  Highlander: 90,000
  Sienna: 600,000
  Tundra: 15,600
  Various model recall: 249,400
  floor mats: 55,000 (a battery cable is more complex than a fvcking floor mat)
  
  That is 3,184,500 recalls and…
  All of the above occured in the LAST TWO YEARS ALONE!
  
  Here are more:
  Tacoma: investigated by NHTSA
  FJ Cruiser: 9,000 in 2006
  Prius: 160,000 in 2005
  
  the list goes on.
  
  Here is also an interesting snippet from a 2006 forbes article:
  As a percentage of vehicles recalled compared to the number on the road, Ford sat at 11.7 percent, Toyota at 10.1 percent, GM at 6.8 percent, Honda at 4.0 percent, and Chrysler at just 2.5 percent.
  
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86. A4444 days ago
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  And in regards to that snippet at the bottom, Ford’s quality has increased tenfold since 2006.
  
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87. tripleonefive444 days ago
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  2006 Recent yea ?? That only took 5 days lol and you are so desparate that you counted the floormats Thats about right Nice try In 5 days i would think you could do better than that
  Tacoma: investigated by NHTSA Was dropped
  Now take another 5 days and tell me which cars still have better resale It still looks as if Honda is has less recalls that Ford or GM
  Even Big whats his faces had a better post than that
  
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88. tripleonefive444 days ago
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  The original investigation involved 2007 Chevrolet Tahoes and GMC Yukons, but the NHSTA has now greatly increased its inquiry. about 423,000 The investigation now covers 21 GM truck and SUV models from 2006, 2007 and 2008 ___2.7 million vehicles
  
  The possibility of engine fires has prompted General Motors to recall passenger sedans manufactured between 1997 and 2003. The affected vehicles have naturally aspirated 3.8 liter V6 engines, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration nearly ____1.5 million
  
  2005-2007 Cadillac CTS and STS sedans, 2005-2007 Cadillac SRX crossovers, and 2006-2007 Pontiac Solstice and the 2007 Saturn Sky convertibles ____313,000
  
  GM Recalls 2009 Chevrolets, GMCs, Saturns, Buicks and Pontiacs ____276000
  
  GM is recalling 2009 Cadillac CTS vehicles for a software problem with the front passenger-side airbag.____12662
  
  GM is recalling 2008 Buick Enclave and 2007-’08 GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook vehicles ___88809
  
  General Motors Corp. is recalling vehicles because of a potential defect in the shift lever that could cause a vehicle to roll away. the recall involves 2009 model year versions of the Buick Enclave; Chevrolet Cobalt, HHR, Malibu and Traverse; GMC Acadia; Pontiac G5 and G6; and the Saturn Aura and Outlook REALLY you think they would be able to get this part down ______ 277,000 vehicles
  
  The first 2 add up to more than 4 MILLION and these are serious In one case the truck set a home on fire. This only took 20 minutes not 5 days bc GM recalls are plentiful
  Nice try though …well not really
  
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89. eal2009444 days ago
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  The Tacoma investigation was dropped because TOYOTA CARES LLC bought most of them back.
  
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90. A4443 days ago
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  It took 5 days, 1115, because I have a life beyond following LLN comment posts. 20 minutes is longer than i spent finding that data. Yes GM has their recalls, but toyota is RIGHT IN LINE with them and your ****sucking little bias is null and void. I win.
  
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91. tripleonefive443 days ago
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  oh and A4 they are not in line the Toyota are minor recalls at best Floor mats really ?
  and where are the links 2 GM recalls were more than 4 lioon and I didnt even add up the other 5 i cited that was another million and looky here
  http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-recalls-more-than-43000-vehicles.html
  Nice try though …not really
  Pathetic
  GM sux
  
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92. tripleonefive443 days ago
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  by the way A4 GM says it is recalling 1,243 Camaro SS NOT 300
  
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93. A4439 days ago
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  yeah JUST floor mats? JUST a battery cable too. and dont play the “you can get stranded” card, because ill just play the “your accelerator can get stuck and when your camry finally makes it to 65 you go slamming into a tree” card.
  
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94. A4439 days ago
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  “Do they build a better luxury sedan than the Cadillac CTS? Yes its called the TL and the GS350″
  
  Yup, thats why the CTS has won BOTH Motor Trend car of the year AND been on Car and Driver’s 10 best for two consecutive years in a row. It must also be why the CTS-V has no real rival out of japan. IS-F? give me a fvcking break. you just sound like your grasping at straws because youve been so wrong you cant turn back now. pathetic. im done with this thread.
  
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95. beatusmongous437 days ago
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  You know, floor mats are a pretty serious recall. It sounds weak, but imagine if your floor mat came loose and got all bunched up underneath your brake pedal…
  
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96. anyclearer428 days ago
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  Did any of you read the article, you are all arguing on stuff that has nothing to do with the article, and yet have these same arguments on every single article on here……..Dont yall get tired. Noone is changing anyone else’s mind on anything. Have your opinions and just keep them to yourself, and lets stick to talkin about the articles.
  
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97. aggie531420 days ago
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  I know im a little late for this argument but here are the FACTS about rhe CTS vs. TL.
  
  Here is where Acura has the advantage
  
  topic TL CTS
  
  base price $34,955 $36,560
  
  Destination $760 $825
  
  Comparably Equipped price $35,715 $42,184
  
  ALG residual value – 36 months 55% 41%
  
  Alg residual value – 60 months 38% 28%
  
  powertrain warranty months 72 60
  
  Rust warranty miles unlimited 100000
  
  hands-free/ voice activated phone standard optional
  
  universal garage door opener standard optional
  
  Leather trimmed seats standard optional
  
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98. aggie531420 days ago
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  of you want more then go to http://www.acura.com/CompetitiveComparisons.aspx?model=TL#/TL_Decide_Comparisons.e.trims.c.25895-24271.p.page.c.Pricing
  
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99. Bowtie71416 days ago
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  Yeah, I’m late too, but…
  
  Ya’ll need to quit pickin’ on poor 1115, he’s doing the best he can. That, and I love Darwin awardees. 1115, don’t sweat these bullies, they don’t know you, man. But you should know Chevy’s aren’t all that bad, either. Maybe could even drive one and see for yourself when you’re old enough to get a real license of your own.
  
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100. tripleonefive393 days ago
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  Y’all means that you are some sort of hick probably living in a trailer park in some shanty town in West Virginia
  Yea you are late and its nice to post once everyone is done with the thread. I have already proven that GM has had more recalls than Toyota I have already silenced Monte and A4 with the numbers and my articles cited.
  Of course there is going to be someone like yourself with little wit who wants to come in and say something just as meaningless as the life you lead
  I have driven the Malibu the Aura and the G6 (twice) and they are inferior when compared to the Camry and Honda Accord in every way.
  Im glad you stayed up to post that nonsense Get some sleep
  
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