Comments on: GM: Camaro SS prototype lapped ‘Ring in 8:19 http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-445273 A4 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:36:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-445273 if they can get the CTS-V to lap it in under 8 minutes this car needs to be able to, id say. if they can get the CTS-V to lap it in under 8 minutes this car needs to be able to, id say.

]]> By: fan http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-445162 fan Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:26:38 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-445162 whether it can capitalize on its "betterness" or not isnt really the question... rather... will GM be able to finally bring it to the stores before their all bankrupt and gone with the wind... according to some die-hard gm-nuts (no pun intended), there must be gazillions of those cars in GMs lots... question is: if everybody want one of those, if theyre waiting for sale, if GM needs the money... why the heck dont they deliver them so they will at least get SOME money of their own...? or is it more comfortable for lutz and his clique to live off taxpayers money? whether it can capitalize on its “betterness” or not isnt really the question… rather… will GM be able to finally bring it to the stores before their all bankrupt and gone with the wind…

according to some die-hard gm-nuts (no pun intended), there must be gazillions of those cars in GMs lots… question is: if everybody want one of those, if theyre waiting for sale, if GM needs the money… why the heck dont they deliver them so they will at least get SOME money of their own…? or is it more comfortable for lutz and his clique to live off taxpayers money?

]]> By: TornadoGTI http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-445159 TornadoGTI Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:18:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-445159 @ FSVT_ROCK. Your price comparison is worthless. The Shitty Mustang V6 has only 210 hp while the V6 Camaro has 300hp. It is really saying something on GM's part when their V6 can have the same output as Fords V-8 found in the current (not 2010) GT. The 2010 only gets a 15 hp bump (taken right from the Bullit). As for the Challenger. That V6 puts out 250hp. The Camaro is worth the price premium. Not to mention it is better looking than both IMO. Ford needs to kick it up a notch with their engines in the mustang if you ask me. It is sad when you have Nissan/Infiniti using their VQ V6 putting out 330hp while Mustang "increases" their V8 output to 315hp. They just aren't very efficient. They seem to rely too much on forced induction (GT500) to get big numbers. Im just saying. @ FSVT_ROCK. Your price comparison is worthless. The Shitty Mustang V6 has only 210 hp while the V6 Camaro has 300hp. It is really saying something on GM’s part when their V6 can have the same output as Fords V-8 found in the current (not 2010) GT. The 2010 only gets a 15 hp bump (taken right from the Bullit).
As for the Challenger. That V6 puts out 250hp. The Camaro is worth the price premium. Not to mention it is better looking than both IMO.

Ford needs to kick it up a notch with their engines in the mustang if you ask me. It is sad when you have Nissan/Infiniti using their VQ V6 putting out 330hp while Mustang “increases” their V8 output to 315hp. They just aren’t very efficient. They seem to rely too much on forced induction (GT500) to get big numbers.

Im just saying.

]]> By: Blakkarr http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444845 Blakkarr Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:42:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444845 DrCruelty @ 03/17, 12:11 AM, That's a little surprising. Not really. CHRYSLER is awkwardly inconsistent when it comes to performance. But a bit of Suspension tuning will fix the CHALLENGER's woes. A bit of weight loss won't hurt either. But if ROLLS ROYCE and BENTLEY can move 5200lbs like 3800lbs, DODGE or some smart tuners should be able to do better with a 4200lb car. Also I think this is the LAST time anyone will tolerate SLA on the MUSTANG. It's been fun but even if this is the best SLA ever, it is still not good enough anymore. If the rumors are right, the next Really all-new Mustang, due in 2013 or so I think, assumed to be based on the Falcon (Still waiting for that car) or the current version of the car at the time, will have a proper all-wheel independent suspension. If they don't the segment dominance the MUSTANG has enjoyed for 40 years is going to come to a screeching end. The big question now is whether or not the CAMARO can capitalize on its apparent "better-ness". Z06ified @ 03/17, 9:19 AM, "[The Camaro will] be hard to beat this car for bang for the buck." A fact most people forget about American muscle cars. Overall more useful, great potential, and it doesn't cost a fortune to have one and make really yours. DrCruelty @ 03/17, 12:11 AM,

That’s a little surprising. Not really. CHRYSLER is awkwardly inconsistent when it comes to performance. But a bit of Suspension tuning will fix the CHALLENGER’s woes. A bit of weight loss won’t hurt either. But if ROLLS ROYCE and BENTLEY can move 5200lbs like 3800lbs, DODGE or some smart tuners should be able to do better with a 4200lb car.

Also I think this is the LAST time anyone will tolerate SLA on the MUSTANG. It’s been fun but even if this is the best SLA ever, it is still not good enough anymore. If the rumors are right, the next Really all-new Mustang, due in 2013 or so I think, assumed to be based on the Falcon (Still waiting for that car) or the current version of the car at the time, will have a proper all-wheel independent suspension. If they don’t the segment dominance the MUSTANG has enjoyed for 40 years is going to come to a screeching end.

The big question now is whether or not the CAMARO can capitalize on its apparent “better-ness”.

Z06ified @ 03/17, 9:19 AM,

“[The Camaro will] be hard to beat this car for bang for the buck.”

A fact most people forget about American muscle cars. Overall more useful, great potential, and it doesn’t cost a fortune to have one and make really yours.

]]> By: rev_idler http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444838 rev_idler Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:14:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444838 People who are shocked at the closeness of the Cobalt SS's time compared to the Camro SS should be ashamed of themselves. Go pick up any racing game that features the ring in it, and see how it is to drive. Constant tight corners, uneven pavement, high speed bends. Yes, the ring has a few straights, but they're not race-track smooth. A car with a light and agile body will make up HUGE time in the bends, while a muscle car can only shave a few seconds off on the straights. Also consider that humans have to drive the course. Cars that are easier to push to the limit will do better. Look at the GTR's time- it has a fancy transmission, fancy suspension, lots of power, and good grip via AWD. Cars like the ZR1 do excellently for similar reasons- excellent power to weight ratio and a great suspension setup. The Cobalt SS does well for the same reasons- good setup, adequate power, but NIMBLE and easy to drive on the course. Cars like the IS-F don't do as well as they could because they aren't based on a racing chassis. Look up the Top Gear review of the IS-F and you'll see what I'm talking about. But just like we Americans obsessed over 0-60 times for too long, now it looks like the ring is some magic measuring stick. In real life people buy performance cars not for race track performance, but for real-life driving feel and value. That's where the Camaro shines in my opinion. It's set up like a GT, which is (in my opinion) the best set up for sportiness and power. Sure it's not as fast as a Corvette, but the concessions it makes to be more affordable and more livable as a daily driver are what makes it shine. When you compare the Camaro to what's out there now, you can tell it really does have a lot of passion, engineering and thought put into it. Stands on its own easily. People who are shocked at the closeness of the Cobalt SS’s time compared to the Camro SS should be ashamed of themselves. Go pick up any racing game that features the ring in it, and see how it is to drive. Constant tight corners, uneven pavement, high speed bends. Yes, the ring has a few straights, but they’re not race-track smooth. A car with a light and agile body will make up HUGE time in the bends, while a muscle car can only shave a few seconds off on the straights.

Also consider that humans have to drive the course. Cars that are easier to push to the limit will do better. Look at the GTR’s time- it has a fancy transmission, fancy suspension, lots of power, and good grip via AWD. Cars like the ZR1 do excellently for similar reasons- excellent power to weight ratio and a great suspension setup. The Cobalt SS does well for the same reasons- good setup, adequate power, but NIMBLE and easy to drive on the course. Cars like the IS-F don’t do as well as they could because they aren’t based on a racing chassis. Look up the Top Gear review of the IS-F and you’ll see what I’m talking about.

But just like we Americans obsessed over 0-60 times for too long, now it looks like the ring is some magic measuring stick. In real life people buy performance cars not for race track performance, but for real-life driving feel and value. That’s where the Camaro shines in my opinion. It’s set up like a GT, which is (in my opinion) the best set up for sportiness and power. Sure it’s not as fast as a Corvette, but the concessions it makes to be more affordable and more livable as a daily driver are what makes it shine. When you compare the Camaro to what’s out there now, you can tell it really does have a lot of passion, engineering and thought put into it. Stands on its own easily.

]]> By: Z06ified http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444829 Z06ified Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:19:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444829 That's an impressive 'ring time, especially considering the Camaro is a muscle car. That's also faster than the BMW M3 E46, which ran an 8:22. It'll be hard to beat this car for bang for the buck. That’s an impressive ‘ring time, especially considering the Camaro is a muscle car. That’s also faster than the BMW M3 E46, which ran an 8:22.

It’ll be hard to beat this car for bang for the buck.

]]> By: brocky http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444815 brocky Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:29:07 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444815 I honestly don't care if the Camaro turns out to be slower than the Cobalt. But it better show me a blistering quarter mile time. I honestly don’t care if the Camaro turns out to be slower than the Cobalt. But it better show me a blistering quarter mile time.

]]> By: fan http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444812 fan Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:44:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444812 ok, were getting back to the "twice daily" schedule for news about a car that will be old the day its first sold... *vaporware vaporware* ok, were getting back to the “twice daily” schedule for news about a car that will be old the day its first sold… *vaporware vaporware*

]]> By: No More Oil For Toyota http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444805 No More Oil For Toyota Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:16:55 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444805 Dr, not at all. I said the Camaro was pathetic NOT the Cobalt SS. Toyota never released IS-F lap times on the 'Ring. But the Cobalt SS did beat the IS-F on C/D Lighting lap, which i give credit for also beating a few commendable cars like the WRX, BMW 135i, AudiS5, HondaS2000. ..it is an impressive car, but 1 car doesnt make a company profitable or reputable. and like i said on my previous post, by 50K it'll break down. if it doesnt break down how much do you think a Cobalt with 50K miles will be worth in 2-3 years? Buy Toyota (or Honda) because theyre cars last longer and have better resale value. Dr, not at all. I said the Camaro was pathetic NOT the Cobalt SS. Toyota never released IS-F lap times on the ‘Ring. But the Cobalt SS did beat the IS-F on C/D Lighting lap, which i give credit for also beating a few commendable cars like the WRX, BMW 135i, AudiS5, HondaS2000.

..it is an impressive car, but 1 car doesnt make a company profitable or reputable. and like i said on my previous post, by 50K it’ll break down. if it doesnt break down how much do you think a Cobalt with 50K miles will be worth in 2-3 years?

Buy Toyota (or Honda) because theyre cars last longer and have better resale value.

]]> By: DrCruelty http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444803 DrCruelty Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:11:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444803 Blakkarr, in C&D's Lightning Lap competition the Challenger SRT-8 was 3.3 seconds slower per lap than the Cobalt SS a VIR. I would be surprised if the SRT-8 can keep up. Johnny, I heard that too. Was supposed to be offerred through GM Performance Parts. 290hp for the FWD cars for $600 -ish. I have tried to look for it but haven't seen it yet. Toyota, If it's pathetic for the Cobalt SS to be almost as quick as the Camaro SS because of the price difference......what about the Cobalt SS being quicker than the IS-F? And what about the Caddy CTS-V which is about the same price as the IS-F? Does this make the IS-F pathetic? Blakkarr, in C&D’s Lightning Lap competition the Challenger SRT-8 was 3.3 seconds slower per lap than the Cobalt SS a VIR. I would be surprised if the SRT-8 can keep up.

Johnny, I heard that too. Was supposed to be offerred through GM Performance Parts. 290hp for the FWD cars for $600 -ish. I have tried to look for it but haven’t seen it yet.

Toyota, If it’s pathetic for the Cobalt SS to be almost as quick as the Camaro SS because of the price difference……what about the Cobalt SS being quicker than the IS-F? And what about the Caddy CTS-V which is about the same price as the IS-F? Does this make the IS-F pathetic?

]]> By: No More Oil For Toyota http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444790 No More Oil For Toyota Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:18:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444790 great point johnnycanuck great point johnnycanuck

]]> By: No More Oil For Toyota http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444789 No More Oil For Toyota Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:17:26 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444789 "80% prototype" Camaro SS: 8:19 $30,995 Cobalt SS: 8:22.85 $22,995 ---------------------------------pathetic on the CamarSlows' part. Impressive for the Cobalt...but by 50K it'll likely break down...or sooner and be worth a quarter of it's original price in 2 years. Vette ZR-1: 7:26.4 100K "pure prototype" Toyota/Lexus L-FA 7:24 100K ---------------------------------be afraid Dumbestic drivers, especially when the Subaru/Toyota UNDER 3,000 lb, 220 HP RWD coupe for under $20,000 comes out in 2011. Buy your Camaro now, because likely there wont be a 6th gen. believe me when i say this and the fact that Toyota/Honda will eliminate 50% more of the Domestic nameplates/market in the next 10 years or less. hence, the only time Domestics will be worth something as extinct 'Classics'. Buy Toyota (or Honda) because theyre cars last longer, have better technology, better safety, better mpg....which equals better resale value. “80% prototype” Camaro SS: 8:19
$30,995

Cobalt SS: 8:22.85
$22,995
———————————pathetic on the CamarSlows’ part. Impressive for the Cobalt…but by 50K it’ll likely break down…or sooner and be worth a quarter of it’s original price in 2 years.

Vette ZR-1: 7:26.4
100K

“pure prototype” Toyota/Lexus L-FA 7:24
100K
———————————be afraid Dumbestic drivers, especially when the Subaru/Toyota UNDER 3,000 lb, 220 HP RWD coupe for under $20,000 comes out in 2011. Buy your Camaro now, because likely there wont be a 6th gen. believe me when i say this and the fact that Toyota/Honda will eliminate 50% more of the Domestic nameplates/market in the next 10 years or less. hence, the only time Domestics will be worth something as extinct ‘Classics’.

Buy Toyota (or Honda) because theyre cars last longer, have better technology, better safety, better mpg….which equals better resale value.

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444788 johnnycanuck Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:15:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444788 Someone on this site a while back mentioned that the Cobalt SS was either going to be upgraded to 290 horse or that GM was offering a factory warranted upgrade to that figure. If this is true it might be enough to put the Cobalt back ahead of the Camaro. Someone on this site a while back mentioned that the Cobalt SS was either going to be upgraded to 290 horse or that GM was offering a factory warranted upgrade to that figure. If this is true it might be enough to put the Cobalt back ahead of the Camaro.

]]> By: idrinorbarsaku http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444781 idrinorbarsaku Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:33:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444781 i actually cant imagine a mustang doing good at all! i actually cant imagine a mustang doing good at all!

]]> By: Blakkarr http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444764 Blakkarr Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:02:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444764 I wonder where the Mustang GT and the Challenger SRT8 would fit in that. I would put the Challenger as being roughly as fast and the Camaro, having more horsepower to make up for the weight. The Mustang would suffer for its SLA but might stun people by not being totally left behind. I wonder where the Mustang GT and the Challenger SRT8 would fit in that. I would put the Challenger as being roughly as fast and the Camaro, having more horsepower to make up for the weight. The Mustang would suffer for its SLA but might stun people by not being totally left behind.

]]> By: idrinorbarsaku http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444750 idrinorbarsaku Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:55:04 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444750 i wish they made an race-super-sport version that would be lighter than a regular ss. i wish they made an race-super-sport version that would be lighter than a regular ss.

]]> By: FSVT_ROCK http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444731 FSVT_ROCK Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:55:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444731 Good new ya, Camaro is finally deliever to dealership this spring and starting price at $24,000. Woo hoo, about time GM. Camaro V6 - $24,000 Dodge Charllenge 3.5, V6 - $23,000 Ford Mustang 4.0L, V6 - $20,000 Good new ya, Camaro is finally deliever to dealership this spring and starting price at $24,000.

Woo hoo, about time GM.

Camaro V6 – $24,000
Dodge Charllenge 3.5, V6 – $23,000
Ford Mustang 4.0L, V6 – $20,000

]]> By: A.J. http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444724 A.J. Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:42:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444724 Oh, come on! This comments section is turning into a discussion about RESALE VALUES and QUALITY when it should be about THE 'RING. Congratulations goes out to Chevrolet and GM for making a Camaro that can get that lap time. Now, take it for a spin around the 'Ring in full production trim - or better yet in Z28 trim (if it ever comes out). Oh, come on! This comments section is turning into a discussion about RESALE VALUES and QUALITY when it should be about THE ‘RING.

Congratulations goes out to Chevrolet and GM for making a Camaro that can get that lap time. Now, take it for a spin around the ‘Ring in full production trim – or better yet in Z28 trim (if it ever comes out).

]]> By: krautninja http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444705 krautninja Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:20:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444705 the fact that the camaro SS only best the Cobalt SS by a few seconds speaks more highly of the cobalt than the Camaro... personally i think the camaro time should blow the doors of the time of the cobalt not be within the same neighborhood. Also ill wait to see what the official production lap is before i make any real judgement calls. since there is no video and it was an unofficial lap in a prototype asopposed to the a production set, that number could change quite a bit . *:19 could be some number anyone just threw out there to help the hype the fact that the camaro SS only best the Cobalt SS by a few seconds speaks more highly of the cobalt than the Camaro… personally i think the camaro time should blow the doors of the time of the cobalt not be within the same neighborhood. Also ill wait to see what the official production lap is before i make any real judgement calls. since there is no video and it was an unofficial lap in a prototype asopposed to the a production set, that number could change quite a bit . *:19 could be some number anyone just threw out there to help the hype

]]> By: andy http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444697 andy Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:03:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444697 the main thing with GM resale was because they sold so many fleet vehicle, now they are cutting back and toyota is expanding into the company vehicle sector, which will drive their resale down further... not too mention, toyota has been playing off the "toyota has better quality" for too long, and every new model GM vehicle is on par or better in quality, and especially ford vehicles... also, toyota used to be able to claim awesome fuel mileage, not so anymore... any smart consumer that is open minded can see these things.. lol also, 9/10 toyota and honda vehicles are bland and pretty much just a 'point a to point b vehicle', no fun in between destinations the main thing with GM resale was because they sold so many fleet vehicle, now they are cutting back and toyota is expanding into the company vehicle sector, which will drive their resale down further… not too mention, toyota has been playing off the “toyota has better quality” for too long, and every new model GM vehicle is on par or better in quality, and especially ford vehicles… also, toyota used to be able to claim awesome fuel mileage, not so anymore… any smart consumer that is open minded can see these things.. lol also, 9/10 toyota and honda vehicles are bland and pretty much just a ‘point a to point b vehicle’, no fun in between destinations

]]> By: Northshore357 http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444692 Northshore357 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:59:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444692 Nürburgring Information Official length of the Nürburgring is 12.9 mi As the full main straight cannot be driven at speed due to the modern exit/entrance there, these laps are usually timed "bridge to gantry", which is only 19.1 km (11.9 mi) and thus about 30 seconds shorter. Additionally, there are two speed limits (one in Breitscheid, and one on "Doettinger Hoehe") on tourist days, which also impacts the lap time. Lap Times of most common known cars: 2009 Nissan GT-R 7:29 Ford GT 7:40.6 Audi R8 8:04 BMW M3 E92 8:05 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX 8:11 BMW M5 E60 8:13 --> Camaro 8:19 The Camaro's time is faster than the Audi S5, Lexus IS-F, and 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS. Nürburgring Information

Official length of the Nürburgring is 12.9 mi

As the full main straight cannot be driven at speed due to the modern exit/entrance there, these laps are usually timed “bridge to gantry”, which is only 19.1 km (11.9 mi) and thus about 30 seconds shorter. Additionally, there are two speed limits (one in Breitscheid, and one on “Doettinger Hoehe”) on tourist days, which also impacts the lap time.

Lap Times of most common known cars:

2009 Nissan GT-R 7:29
Ford GT 7:40.6
Audi R8 8:04
BMW M3 E92 8:05
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX 8:11
BMW M5 E60 8:13
–> Camaro 8:19
The Camaro’s time is faster than the Audi S5, Lexus IS-F, and 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS.

]]> By: scratchy http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444682 scratchy Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:48:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444682 Ring times are not really as relevant as many people might think. The track is being constantly improved , made smoother, bumps get removed , corners get more grip , etc. More recently tested cars will always have an advantage over cars tested a while ago. I'm not saying the Camaro is bad, i like the car, but Ring times are not 100% relevant. Ring times are not really as relevant as many people might think. The track is being constantly improved , made smoother, bumps get removed , corners get more grip , etc. More recently tested cars will always have an advantage over cars tested a while ago.
I’m not saying the Camaro is bad, i like the car, but Ring times are not 100% relevant.

]]> By: No More Oil For Toyota http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444677 No More Oil For Toyota Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:37:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444677 @Jake66, Toyota's value will always beat GM's or any domestic--any time ,any place, any day. so whatever you think of Toyota, it's even worse for GM or any domestic. thats a fact. Buy Toyota (or Honda) because theyre cars last longer and have better resale value. @Jake66, Toyota’s value will always beat GM’s or any domestic–any time ,any place, any day. so whatever you think of Toyota, it’s even worse for GM or any domestic. thats a fact.

Buy Toyota (or Honda) because theyre cars last longer and have better resale value.

]]> By: mayer_ray_nagin http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444676 mayer_ray_nagin Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:31:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444676 Has the Kia Soul lapped the ring yet and put all these sportscars to shame? Has the Kia Soul lapped the ring yet and put all these sportscars to shame?

]]> By: sj79 http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444674 sj79 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:11:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444674 I think thats in the vicinity of the last gen M3. I'm sure someone will look it up for us. I think thats in the vicinity of the last gen M3. I’m sure someone will look it up for us.

]]> By: Lawnchair88 http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444672 Lawnchair88 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:10:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444672 Didn't they do an 8:20 time earlier this year? That must have also been an "80% prototype". Shaving a few seconds would place it in 997 territory, can't complain about that. Didn’t they do an 8:20 time earlier this year? That must have also been an “80% prototype”. Shaving a few seconds would place it in 997 territory, can’t complain about that.

]]> By: JakeK66 http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444668 JakeK66 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:05:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444668 No More Oil For Toyota, Eat your words on Toyota and the Koreans, because as I speak - the rental car company I work for keeps buying up tons of Toyotas and Hyundais that will be filling the used car lots in the next year. Hear that? That's the sound of Toyota's values being flushed down the toilet. No More Oil For Toyota,

Eat your words on Toyota and the Koreans, because as I speak – the rental car company I work for keeps buying up tons of Toyotas and Hyundais that will be filling the used car lots in the next year. Hear that? That’s the sound of Toyota’s values being flushed down the toilet.

]]> By: No More Oil For Toyota http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444665 No More Oil For Toyota Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:58:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444665 I would rather wait for the Toyota/Subi machine or just get the Hyundai Genesis coupe that will run 'Rings' around any CamarSlow or Rustang....I wont even mention that boat Challenger. Buy Toyota (or Honda) because theyre cars last longer and have better resale value. (but the Koreans are doing a good job coying Toyota) I would rather wait for the Toyota/Subi machine or just get the Hyundai Genesis coupe that will run ‘Rings’ around any CamarSlow or Rustang….I wont even mention that boat Challenger.

Buy Toyota (or Honda) because theyre cars last longer and have better resale value. (but the Koreans are doing a good job coying Toyota)

]]> By: idrinorbarsaku http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444656 idrinorbarsaku Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444656 i think its pretty good that it beat the cobalt because that actually beat some good cars! i think its pretty good that it beat the cobalt because that actually beat some good cars!

]]> By: Ketzer http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444643 Ketzer Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:23:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444643 Shame, my four door would suck that ugly front end off when I went by... Shame, my four door would suck that ugly front end off when I went by…

]]> By: DrCruelty http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444642 DrCruelty Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:23:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444642 Go look up the last C&D Lightning Lap test, the Cobalt is that good. Go look up the last C&D Lightning Lap test, the Cobalt is that good.

]]> By: ASIMO http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-camaro-ss-prototype-lapped-ring-in-819.html#comment-444637 ASIMO Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:11:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=15774#comment-444637 As nearly all things being relative, either this Camaro SS is that lame or the hopped up Cobalt is that good around the 'Ring. Or both? As nearly all things being relative, either this Camaro SS is that lame or the hopped up Cobalt is that good around the ‘Ring. Or both?

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