Again, you keep saying you have “the truth,” but i don’t see anything there that can be considered true (or false) other than your uncle owning a buick. The interior of a CTS is cool — prove that “true.” can’t. A Volvo is better that a honda (even with an “A” on the front.” Can’t be proven true, but look at the age of the avcerage volvo on the road versus the average honda. Even in Southern Cali, you’re likely to run into a ’78 volvo than a ’78 honda.
Want “proof?” closest you’ll come is by sitting on a street corner and watching the age and make of cars that drive past.

I’ve never seen a honda odometer at higher that 100k. I’ve seen two volvos beyond 300K. Those are factual statements.

And don’t lump Honda in with “japanese vcars,” since it drags down the average of that noble nation!

You are trying to throw a monkey wrench in the argument BC the age thing didn’t work the JD power study didn’t work and accusing me of having a tail didn’t work. If you had the facts then you wouldn’t have to question my age, my ego, my lifestyle, my circle of friends or the length of my tail lol. Changing the subject works with most people but not here, stick to the script. In addition if you had a circle of friends with money then your wife wouldn’t be driving a Buick.

Lexus is Toyota and Toyota is Japanese. It doesn’t matter which one is better because either way Japanese are better than ANY Domestic (resale & reliability). Lexus wasn’t the car with the highest resale nor did Toyota and Lexus tie with themselves like Honda & Acura did. Also Toyota waited till 89 to release Lexus while Honda did it 3 years previous. Trying to jump ship to Lexus to win your argument won’t work either.

I didn’t respond to your Volvo S80 nonsense BC it is irrelevant. If Volvo is better than Acura then prove it. If you are talking opinion then just say that. Otherwise look up fact that says Volvo S80 is better than a TL or RL. I think (opinion) Volvos are great cars but whether they look better, perform better or outsell Acura is something else. Show me the proof but realize that they are NOT domestic (technically) therefore irrelevant to the original argument. Sorry once again that won’t work.

If you like GM’s cool (even though you have AMG in your name). I like the new CTS and I can’t wait for the CTC to come out… The interior is nice (for a GM). The interior is cool because it’s the first time that a Cadillac has an interior that can actually compete with the Japanese cars. The thing is the domestics are playing a game of catch up. They wouldn’t have to play this if they didn’t fall so far behind. Once again if you like Cadillac or Buick then cool but don’t try and say they are as or more reliable than any Japanese product when there is no proof to back it up.

My uncle used to have a 225 Buick with blue metallic paint and white leather interior. It was the nicest car I had seen (of course I was a kid). My father used to drive domestics until he realized that there were better cars out there and woke up.

The problem with people is when they buy a domestic just BC it’s a domestic. They are told it’s patriotic to buy American instead of buying based on the quality of the vehicle. That in turn makes the domestic still put out crap BC they know you will buy it anyway!

The truth hurts. It hurts like hell but it has to be told. I’m done bc I’ve hit a low point arguing with you. Say what you will but the truth and the numbers are with me not you.
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“Putrid,” would be the neighborhood that car occupies.

People ar trading in thei oddesys (ooddiseis?) for Grand caravans and their “accord/”TL”s for Ions.

I traded my civic in for a ford tempo. No, that’s not quite right. The tempo was a desperation purchase after the Civic DIED at 91K. Still, a huge step up.

I’m going Acadia or Outlook, but the Enclave is what Buick says it is.

Reatta was an underrated car

Those folks with bigger budgets can be the ones worthy of a Cadillac. The rest of us can ride high in the Buicks.

If Buick wants to survive, they’re going to have to a lot better than that. Between Acura, Infiniti, Lexus, the German entries, and whatever good shit Ford and Chrysler has to offer, there’s WAY too much choice out there to be hinging your future on something like the LaCrosse.

Then just tighten up the suspension (make it BMW-ish but smoother) and we’d have a winner!

Cire, you and I seem to be on the same product wavelength. Bringing Buick’s platforms into line with the rest of the divisions would give them modern products with a reduction in cost, and make room for halo products such as a LWB Zeta Roadmaster and SWB Camaro-based Riviera.

As far as a smaller crossover goes, I’d like to see Buick and Pontiac leave it to GMC instead (next-gen Torrent should become a GMC product) so these three divisions that often share a showroom can have distinctive product.

As far as the compact sedan, I heard Buick plans to bring one over to us. If it is a mildly altered Chevrolet product (foreign or domestic), then I know it will tank. The car will need its own distinctive, upscale exterior/interior design and it needs to be loaded with luxury features/content to be successful. I would hope that GM has learned its lesson from past failures that the public is not fooled by badge engineered impostors (I’m having horrible Cimmaron flashbacks now).

If I were Lutz, my first act would be to replace the LaCrosse/Allure with the more modern and efficient Aura/Malibu FWD platform, and adopt the Allure name for both the US and Canada. That would leave room for a new Lucerne to join the next Impala on its new platform, whether it be FWD or RWD. And finally, they could add the LWB version of the Zeta platform (Holden Caprice?) as a new RWD Roadmaster. And wouldn’t it be great to see a production version of the Chinese Riviera coupe concept built on the Camaro platform!

Instead of expanding the Buick line, why don’t you try expanding the QUALITY and RELIABILITY that’s getting Buick customers to your other lines.

When you try this and start making money again, I’d appreciate a 1% cut of the profits.

global: the males who work at honda’s faux-luxury division are not “guys,” but men. And they wear platform boots.

I think Buick just needs a Coupe. saw a reatta today. Underrated car than never had a chance

I suppose the only thing to do is try, but Buick’s biggest problem is steering clear of Saab and Cadillac, as they’re perceived just as “near-luxury premium” as Buick, and they already attract younger buyers.

Buick needs the following:
* Compact sedan (Skylark or Century)
* Midsize sedan (Regal)
* Large sedan (LeSabre or Park Avenue)
* Midsize crossover (Rendezvous)
* Large crossover (Enclave)
* Halo coupe-convertible (Riviera)

Give the products knockout exterior/interior styling (like the Enclave) that is totally unique, distinctive, and upscale from any other GM brand. Give the products brand specific features that make the cars feel like near luxury products. Broom the outdated engines and transmissions that render the products as noncompetitive. Instead of wasting marketing dollars changing model names, stick with a good model name and use the money to redesign the products on a timely basis so that the model name stays relevant. Buick can still effectively function as a near luxury niche brand if the plan is executed correctly.

To expand the line they need to design and build cars that will appeal to younger buyers. The Enclave is a step in the right direction for big families, but they really need some well-priced, badass, stylish sedans that appeal to the set that wants something slightly more intriguing than a Toyota Crapry or a Honda A-bored.