Camaro > Mustang.

NNNOOOO!!!!

CAMARO V6 > MUSTANG GT

OWNED….

I don’t like the sound of this. A delay without an explanation especially in a recession means trouble.

Wow there is a surprise The Volt is coming out in 2020 and the Cruze should be out by them too That is the problem the cars GM needed 3 years ago arent coming out for 3 years
Why is this being made in Canada ?

1115,

An agreement made with them back when the last model was cancelled they stated “No future Camaro will be built anywhere but here”

SO its a CanAm car The Camaro should be built in America so all the patriots can brag that they bought American …Oh wait this is the same company that shut down plants in the US and moved them to Mexico while they were making a profit Sorry I forgot

Camaros have been built in Canada, in St Therese, Quebec, for decades. The fourth generation were (93-02), and I think the third gen was as well. As JakeK66 said, the new one is being built in Canada because of an agreement between GM and the CAW (the evil UAW’s evil Canadian counterpart).

I’d bet the delay is due to the dispute between GM and the bankrupt supplier, as mentioned in the article. Can’t build cars without parts…

So lets size this up, we will have an exciting new sports coupe from Chevy in a couple months. We will have an exciting new sports coupe from Toyota and Honda in ummmmmmmmmmm uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, help me out here guys, I’m drawing a blank.

So it is wrong for a company to be global in this modern economy 1115 and make vehicles where it can to make a better profit and cut out the UAW? Who cares where the GM car is made, the majority of the $ is coming back here to the states. And the vast majority of GM’s vehicles are still made here in the states.

and btw, your precious J2 may have some plants here in the USA, but 80% of the profits from those vehicles still make it back to the land of the rising sun.

and last time i checked, Canada is part of America. and i would feel a hell of a lot better knowing I bought something from a neighboring country who fights besides us then from Japan. and besides, Canada may not be part of the USA yet, but they will be (jk johny!!!!)

built in canada because we are better than you… plain and simple, sorry fellas

oh ya, almost forgot… eh!

It’s kind of funny having an arguement about Canada. I mean they are so close with everything including trading, manufacturing, and our cultures (I mean not counting some of french Canada). We shouldn’t be even worried about Canada building vehicles, because what is good for them is good for the U.S.

GM doesn’t give a f about US….. if they did manufacturing would not be sent to other coutnries for US market.

Another delayed… no surprise.

Plants are all shut down now anyway

Sooooo, Japanese cars are built in America, American cars are built in Canada. If American cars are junk doesn’t this make Japanese cars junk? I’m confused.

Who cares in this globally inter-dependent economy where Camaro’s are made.

Yeah so who didn’t see this coming

The Mustang’s Reaper sits in production purgatory, while Ford writes President Obama, seeking a Pardon of it’s execution
DrFill

No one wishes we were part of the Excited States of America more than myself. Do you have any idea how much money I would save on beer? Not to mention I could pretty much live off those 2 for a buck Jack in the Box tacos. Tell you what, we’ll throw in our universal health care for your kick-ass military. The first thing they’ll have to do is seize Quebec and remove all the French labeling at the Camaro plant. I tell you, it’s a match made in heaven. By the way, how does the NFL feel about expansion? Better yet, since we already have a team called the Lions here in B.C. we’ll just take the Detroit franchise. Not the players however, they’d probably do better with the guys we have.

More ?#$^! secrecy. “… variety of factors that I’m not going to get into..”.. F that. Spill it man, every square inch of this friggin’ thing has been all over every website and magazine for THREE years, stop with the cia-like secrecy bit. BUILD THAT #%^! THING BEFORE IT’S TOO #$%^ LATE! The world isn’t run by GM anymore, get over your friggin’ holier-than-thou thing and just put out good products and yadda yadda… what the hell am I rambling about anyway.. frig..

Well take off hosers. Free Trade and all, canada is great eh, once you get there you can have all the beer and sausages you want. canada has like a one-man army, like Charlton Heston in “Omega Man.” You ever see it? Beauty. Ahhh! Take off, you hoseheads.

A Mustang for everyone….I dont think the camaro is going to take away the mustang’s dominance in sales. Plenty of Bow Tie guys and FOMOCO guys who would not even consider the other as an option.

Next, it will be a year. Just release it already!

How can I support you GM when you wont even let me buy your cars?

Tripleonefive, what is your problem? Your anti-American and a lot of your info is wrong. The delay of the Camaro is nothing. Its not like they delayed it a year or worse, cancelled it. The Camaro has also been built in Canada since the 70’s.

A month delay in production is bad and shows signs that they are having trouble with the supplier that they are suing. I don’t think that they’re having too much trouble because they didn’t just come out and cancel the thing.

Yawn. By the time this thing’s out, Transformers 4 is already in theaters with Bumblebee as a resurrected Chevy Corvair. In the meantime, I’ll go read a 2010 Mustang sales brochure.

^ lol

Why not just read the 2005 brouchure?
Should be good for another 5 years
DrFill

bad news bears

johnnycanuck – your post was hilarious!…

“No one wishes we were part of the Excited States of America more than myself. Do you have any idea how much money I would save on beer? Not to mention I could pretty much live off those 2 for a buck Jack in the Box tacos. Tell you what, we’ll throw in our universal health care for your kick-ass military. The first thing they’ll have to do is seize Quebec and remove all the French labeling at the Camaro plant.”

Hmmm I think if this car makes it to production it won’t last long. Ford Mustang owned this car for the entire last 45 years but we can’t say that about the Camaro since it had spotty GM workmanship and left production and had a Hiatus for the last 10 years or so. So welcome back Camaro to get your ass kicked once again in NOT ONLY SALES but performance too

. Besides I OWNED FIREBiRDS (SISTER CAR) and the Camaro alike on the oadways with Only a 200HP V6 Taurus so the camaro is no serious threat to any car much less a Mustang. Not like a REAL Sports car like the Mustang.
So aheM GM Fan doufers We by-pass the rest of GM line-up crap and go for Real Sports cars such as the Mustang GT500KR, the Porsche 911 Turbo, Dodge Viper ACR, Veyron, and GT-R Spec V:)

Mustang is a sports coupe, a pony car or a muscle car — it is not a sports car. In fact the first generation Mustang (one of which was owned by YHC) was built on the Ford Falcon platform.

Im not surprised it is delayed…seems to be GM’s specialty.

As for the performance goes, well it sure sounds like it will beat the Stang, but until it hits the streets in actual form, I wont be 100% sold on it beating the Stang. I like the Challenger and ‘10 Stang’s style way better than the Camaro. Just my opinion though

Bankruptcy2009 is having another childhood dream. The Camaro and Firebird 8 cylinder versions kicks my Mustang GT in the bologna pony grille and spits it out when it comes to blazing speed. My Mustang’s instrument panel and switchgear toggle controls kicks the Camaro and Firebird in the posterior for quality and feel. I swing my dick into your mom’s genitals while you masturbate about your ficticious GT-R Spec V that ordered in your Need For Speed Undercover video game.

Dr Fill, that 2005 Mustang brochure’s print quality wasn’t good for 5 years. Maybe they should have used Lexus’ lithography and publication material.

I figured out that Bankruptcy2009’s mom drives a 1996 Ford Taurus LX Wagon with a 200-hp Duratec 24V V6, misfiring cylinder 1 with the Service Engine Soon light, leaking valve cover gasket due to clogged pcv valve, and a bad front motor mount. He doesn’t even own a driver’s license. He does own some neat Hot Wheels toy cars next to his junior high homework papers.

oh Yeah Howsmydriving you want to comment on any platform it makes no difference if the embodiment of a sports car is that it is indeed the fastest then your argument has no weight. Current Mustang Best’s any Previous Covette ok. Oh Yeah Go buy a few more Corvette calenders to hang up in your cubicle at work to fgive free advertising for GM while you get a Pink slip and shown the door.

Built in Canada simply means that the Canadian gov’t is paying for the workers health care, not GM. Its not hard to figure out.

This isn’t an endorsement for nationalized health care, but that’s another story for a different website.

Bankruptcy2009 dude……..your so wrong and you really believe the bull**** you say enough to share it.. over the entire span of the camaro 9-10 times the camaro when tested against the mustang won. And thats a fact. Your false bias info really needs to catch up on something real. Your living in your dreams dude.

Delay….delay….delay…..then cancel.

Did i just read someone say a real sports car “such as the Mustang GT500KR…”
I’m sorry, you got the rest right but I don’t consider ANY Mustangs a “real” sports car. Call it a dragster, a muscle, or anything other than a sports car. But for a muscle car, I would like something that lasts over 50 pedal-to-the-metal accelerations and I doubt that a Ford can last that long. I know Chevy’s can.

Bankruptcy2009……

As some have mentioned, the Camaro has typically been the better performer. I believe one of the major auto magazines went as far as to say something like “Mustang outsells Camaro and Firebird 2 to 1, although we can’t figure out why” in the conclusion of their comparison test.

I have old articles of a 93 Cobra vs Z28 comparison, and a 94 GT vs. Z28 one. In both the Z28 accelerated faster, braked in shorter distance, higher skidpad, quicker lap time, hell….the Z28 even managed to get more MPG during the test than the Mustang.

And the GT500KR? An $80,000 Mustang that can’t keep up with a $45,000 Corvette. Just because the KR’s price is similar to GT-Rs and Porsches doesn’t mean its a comparable performer.

It relay don’t matter when the Camaro is finally in dealer showroom’s, Nissan’s GT-R has already owned it, just like most of the cars out there today. And as for the the 2010 Ford Mustang being the same under the skin, at least it’s still around, unlike the Toyota Supra, that is DEAD…

JohnnyC is now my favourite poster on here.

and btw, your precious J2 may have some plants here in the USA, but 80% of the profits from those vehicles still make it back to the land of the rising sun.
Well they are Japanese company you f–kin idiot They dont have to have factories here but they do which they probably shouldn’t. They should make all their cars in Japan and no to the idiot who asked if it makes them crap but it shows that GM is selling an american car that is not all american so the patriots on this board are idiots for buying “American” unless they change it to buy North American

You define exciting as an american icon being built in Canada ….being delayed

Excitement has nothing to do with quality and excuse me if Honda and Toyota are making hybrids and having them out on time

So, DrCruelty, now that the new GT500 is basically the GT500KR with an upgraded suspension and $40k price reduction, will it count if it stomps a mudhole in the new Camaro SS? They’ll weigh the same, but the Camaro will only be down 120hp.

Makes you wonder about the Camaro when it has the uber lightweight LS motor in it and it weighs the same as the GT500 with that overweight pig of a motor in the GT500. What will happen when the 5.0 comes out next year with 400/400 and a 400lb advantage?

As for folks thinking the 300hp V6 Camaro is gonna stand a chance against the GT, thats some wishful thinking. The V6 will be down big on torque.

I think the Camaro will have a more advanced chassis, but I don’t think it will mean much in terms of sales, and thats what counts. No use if the Camaro gets cancelled due to lack of development funds.

JM if it takes as you say 10 to 15 years for quality and reliability to be proved does that mean I should hold off on purchasing a TL till say 2014-18? Just wondering tia. Edmunds and KBB are the gospel right? This you on Edmunds? &townhall-talk.edmunds&com/direct/view/.f0e5fe1/29

#30 of 79 Transmission Problem 2001 CL [drcitrus] by tripleonefive Jan 01, 2006 (12:08 pm)
Replying to: drcitrus (Mar 24, 2005 8:43 am)I had the tranny replaced about 2 years ago at 41k and now I have to do it all over again Typical problem it seems. I have to get rid of it before the 100k warranty is up. Ill take my business over to Infiniti or Lexus when they make the IS coupe

Adam already tried that Its not my post and just to answer you No I have never seen a recall for the transmission and the same thing with Toyota Also the TLs never caught on fire and havent been recalled for 20 years and counting and the majority of the Honda Acura products are proven reliable
Just to add to the comment earlier the Japanese sprts cars the NSX and s2000 are built in Japan not america

The GT500 SHOULD be able to outperform the Camaro SS, look at the price difference. It’s Corvette priced, not Camaro priced. Either way it should be interesting to see how they compare head to head.

And I agree, the Camaro V6 will not be quite as quick as a Mustang GT with proper drivers. In a straight line anyway. Throw in some corners and the tables might turn.

Sales, who knows. Time will tell.

Also the TLs never caught on fire and havent been recalled for 20 years and counting and the majority of the Honda Acura products are proven reliable

JM are you sure about that?

Acura recalls 273,000 TLs due to fire fears
by Damon Lavrinc on Feb 29th 2008 at 7:03PM (auto blog)

Honda put out two recall notices today that affects some 273,000 2004-2008 Acura TLs. One of the recalls addresses a windshield wiper issue, where a potentially faulty circuit breaker on 129,600 ‘04 and ‘05 TLs could fail, rendering the wipers useless.

The other recall is a bit more compelling. Apparently an issue with high temperatures under the hood can cause the power steering hose to degrade to the point that it could crack and leak fluid onto the catalytic converter. This could result in a fair amount of smoke, or, at worse, a fire.

Neither issue has resulted in a crash or injury, but Acura dealers have been instructed to replace the power steering hose and, in the case of the windshield wiper motor, inspect the unit and replace it if necessary. Naturally, there’s no charge for either recall.

I think I should wait till at least 2015

JM ? Wrong initials and if that is your story CA then you should really wait 20 years for a GM product
GM recalls 944,000 vehicles for fire hazard in August ???That is on their “new” product

No I have never seen a recall for the transmission

Why did Acura send out

Safety Recall: CL and TL Automatic Transmission Second Gear Inspection

Dear Acura Owner:

This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.

What is the reason for this notice?

Honda Motor Co., Ltd. has decided that a defect relating to motor vehicle safety exists in certain 2001-03 3.2CLs, 2000-03 3.2TLs, and 2004 TLs.
Certain operating conditions can result in heat buildup in the transmission second gear set and may lead to gear tooth chipping. In very rare cases, gear breakage can occur. Gear failure could result in transmission lock-up, and a crash could occur without warning.

What should I do when the transmission fails?

Call any authorized Acura dealer and make an appointment to have your vehicle repaired. For vehicles with less than 15,000 miles, the dealer will install an oil jet kit to provide additional lubrication to the gears. For vehicles with more than 15,000 miles, the dealer will inspect the affected gear for heat discoloration, which indicates possible damage. If heat discoloration exists, the dealer will replace the transmission. If heat discoloration is not found, the dealer will install an oil jet kit. This work will be done free of charge. Please plan to leave your vehicle all day to allow the dealer flexibility in scheduling the inspection and installing the oil jet kit. If transmission replacement is needed, the work will take more than one day.
Who to contact if you experience problems.

If you are not satisfied with the service you receive from your Honda dealer, you may write to:

American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Honda Automobile Customer Service
Mail Stop 500-2N-7A
1919 Torrance Blvd.
Torrance, CA 90501-2746

If you believe that American Honda or the dealer has failed or is unable to remedy the defect in your vehicle, without charge, within a reasonable period of time (60 days from the date you first contact the dealer for a repair appointment), you may submit a complaint to:

Administrator
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
400 Seventh Street, SW
Washington, DC 20590
Or call the toll-free Safety Hotline at (888) 327-4236.

What to do if you feel this notice is in error:

Our records show that you are the current owner or lessee of a 2001-03 3.2CL, 2000-03 3.2TL, or 2004 TL involved in this campaign. If this is not the case, or the name/address information is not correct, please fill out and return the enclosed, postage-paid Information Change Card. We will then update our records.
If you paid to have the transmission replaced, you may be eligible for reimbursement. Refer to the attached instructions for eligibility requirements and the reimbursement procedure.

Lessor Information:

Federal law requires that any vehicle lessor receiving this recall notice must forward a copy of this notice to the lessee within 10 days.
If you have any questions about this notice, or need assistance with contacting an Acura dealer, please call Acura Client Services at (800) 382-2238, and select menu option #2.

We apologize for any inconvenience this campaign may cause you.
Sincerely,
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Acura Automobile Division

I am really concerned now

I have never seen this on any NHSTA site and send me a link and after that why dont you show me a comparable D3 sedan with a higher resale value than the TL or a comparable coupe with a higher than the CL please
Thanks
Oh If you want I can send a link where GM truck set a house on fire If you can please send me an artilcle or link where any Honda or Toyota has done that
Im pretty sure you have plenty of time

JM could you post the links please. They won’t post for me maybe for you tia

Wrong initials but I will copy and paste for you CA

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has opened a formal investigation into possible fires in General Motors’ new full-size SUV.

The agency is responding to two reports of fires on 2007 model year Chevrolet Tahoe SUVs. Both were said to have occurred while the vehicles were parked in a home garage with the engine turned off. Both reports allege significant property damage, according to NHTSA’s Defect Investigation Summary.

The 2007 model year was the first for GM’s (GM, Fortune 500) re-engineered GMT900 large trucks and SUVs, a family of vehicles that includes the Tahoe, the GMC Yukon, the Cadillac Escalade and the Chevrolet Silverado pickup among others. The 2007 model year went on sale in early 2006.

The investigation involves only the Tahoe and the closely related GMC Yukon. NHTSA estimates the total population of vehicles at about 400,000.

Its actually 423,000 + the 944,000 which is about 1.3 million

JM I wanted to buy a TL not a truck Gee, I guess I’ll buy korean or europen considering that japanese cars are just as unreliable as domestics thanks for your help

CA where are your links or your copy and paste ????
Thanks for playing another one down lol

“show me a comparable D3 sedan with a higher resale value than the TL or a comparable coupe with a higher than the CL please
Thanks”

The TL can only fall into 2 categories, Fullsize-car or Luxury-car and it didn’t recieve the KBB 09 resale value award in either, that would be the Cadillac CTS and the Audi A5. Anyone can find crap on any brand, that does not prove a thing. When you are talking about a GM truck that has nothing to do with this discussion in the first place it goes without saying that the number will be high due to the sheer numbers they produce. veritas, you will soon find out that it’s a huge waste of time arguing with 1115 since he is incapable of looking at anything without bias.

I am going to make a big foam quarter, so I can stick it in the coin slot of one of the those Camaros when I finally see it on the street.

Yarddog your right however please don’t mention GT-R in the same sentence with a Chevy Crapmaro lol.
Their is no relation. A GT-R is in a totally elevated super sports car plain at an economy price. And the later is just a piece of ****. Not worth mentioning or even a close to being considered sports car of any kind. Its a joke
anyclearer your living in fantasy world of your own design not reality. Another GM idiot. ok dummy

Lets go back over the History books again for anydumber and DrStupid benefit. Ok Fric and Frac Mustang VS CAMARO comparo. Mustang Wins 1967,1984,85,86,87,94,95, Mustang Wins 0-60 plus 1/4 times. So who is the winner Mustang, (Oh Yeah your camaro was NOT produce in the last 10 years so it loses out of Forfeit for not showing up lol
So it loses 1999, 2000, 2001,02,03,04,05,06,07,08 Should I Go on.
We might as well mention that if you lumped all of GM Muscle cars, GTO, 442, Firebird, Camaro, Buick****, and Corvette and the Mustang can outsell everyone combined! that tells you something.

Oh yeah DrCruelty were NOT talking base model Corvette if you bothered to scroll up and read my earlier post you’d find that the ZR-1 has a hard time keeping its lead on the Mustang GT500KR

2009 Chevy Corvette ZR1 -638 HP does 0-60 (3.4/3.8) sec and 11.5 Seconds in the 1/4 mile
2008 Ford Mustang GT500KR – 540 HP does 0-60 mph 4.0 seconds and 1/4 mile in 11.9

Once again that is last years Mustang GT500KR model Not Including the improvements to the base model Mustang GT500 nor the GT500K that will undoubted come out with 600HP.

So you can stop soliticing the GM-Garage Mechanic -Special the Crapmaro its a pile of Junk. I drove one and my Buddy in the Navy that owned a Camaro said it was always inthe shop for repairs its a piece of ****

I think CA” VERITAS” was referring to the last model TL and CL which has a higher resale than the same year CTS. CA was a baby and tried the old look on another website trick that Adam tried and failed.
Ca (much like MHW) didn’t provide a link and for something of that magnitude I will need to see one BC I can’t trust anyone on this board
I found the 273 k recall but couldn’t find the transmission recall which leads me to believe that “VERITAS” made provided false info

The GM truck thing is totally relevant bc GM is supposed to have the best trucks according to the domestic loving idiots on this board and 944 k were recalled for a similar issue to what CA mentioned AND another investigation showed that they set 2 homes on fire. I guess CA was scared when the total came to 1.3 million

I am biased but to the better product and that happen to come from J2. No matter what copy and paste no matter how you look online on other websites CA still didn’t prove anything and can’t prove that D3 cars are in the same league as the J2 cars. Then MHW (who was already shut down) comes in and says something BC he couldn’t prove anything. People have to grow up and accept the fact that my argument cant be contested until D3 cars are proven and that will take at least 10 years just like it took the J2 I will not give D3 a break bc they are American

1115, im with you on the japanese cars, but i do have a situation where a brand new toyota set fire to a house. my mom bought an ‘05 4runner in october of ‘04, and in january of ‘05, it spontaneously caught fire and set fire to the house. sorry if this bursts a bubble, but toyota also doesnt make cars the way they used to. and for the record, my mom and dad both drive lexuses, and my brother and sister both drive toyotas and i have a nissan, and we will never buy an american car, but they dont make cars the way they used to. and the reason why they build cars in the states, is because it is then cheaper for shipping them, why build 500,000 cars in japan to ship to north america when they can be built in the states or canada… it saves the planet and saves the consumer money

oh, and if you couldn’t do the math on my previous post, the 4runner was 3 months old, and had 6000 km’s on it (about 4000 miles for you americans)

Show me an article or link and Ill believe it

i dont have a link, and theres no article. all i have are some pictures, but theyre too big to email. looks like youre going to have to take my work on it. but honestly for a company that produces however many millions of cars a year, there will be some slip ups, even for the ones built in japan. all of the other toyotas and lexuses and even the nissan have never had any problems, and theyre all troopers in the -40 degree weather.

i think what you just cant seem to fathom, is that 99% of people buy cars for reliability, or because those cars are cheap and good on gas. and then the other 1% of people buy cars because they love those cars. case and point about most of the people that post in this site. case and point you… you wont accept that other manufactures, can make a decent car thats inexpensive and good on gas, thats how toyota got to where they are today, and hyundai, and honda, and nissan, followed suit. but other companies make products that are just as good as toyota’s products, and they look good while doing so, something toyota has yet to master

“(shut me down)” 1115, you are even dumber than I thought. So how are your links working out? The joke is still on you!

How are your links ..you know the ones you lied about ? Joke …I dont think so
Winni as soon as they prove they can make and equal or better car Ill recommend them but that day wont come for a while

Bankruptcy2009, you’re either 12 or doing your best to act it.

I notice none of your “facts” come with sources, of course I assume that would be hard to do considering you’re making them up as you go. And since you completely ignore documented fact, and reason, you can guess what that makes your opinion worth.

This is why I chose not to buy one and went with another car. GM produces promises but not cars. When I see it and can touch it then I will believe it. This is why they are in financial trouble and will remain there.