Comments on: GM, Ford sales drop; Chrysler flat; Honda, Toyota break records

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:58:36 +0000

mujician , right on, I feel what you’re saying

By: 1c3d0g

1c3d0g — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:11:33 +0000

jackdev73: it’s because some of the ****roaches here were problably dropped on their heads a couple of times when they were babies. Don’t mind them, soon enough when their POS cars begin losing wheels, they start rusting all over they’ll know what we mean.

By: mujician

mujician — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:43:23 +0000

For the last time, maybe not. WERE DOES THE MONEY GO???? Yeah, american workers are getting payed for labor, but that profit goes back to foreign companies. And don’t give me the stock holder crap either, because (for example) any american investing in international stocks should be shot. They are some of the riskyest stocks to invest in (Maybe not with Bush in office, LOL) and you are not supporting your own country.

By: max

max — Sun, 04 Feb 2007 07:13:47 +0000

Hal-
The profits Toyota makes on the vehicles that people buy still go back to their head quarters in Toyota City, Japan. The profits when people buy GM vehicles goes to their head quarters in Detroit, MI. Oh, and most of Toyota’s research and devlopment is still done in Japan along with most of their production. GM’s R&D is still for the most part done in the United States. GM still produces more vehicles in the United States for US consumption than any other automaker. Also, Ford pumps more money back into the US economy than Toyota/Honda/Nissan combined. That is how you can tell what’s an import compared to a domestic.

By: Hal

Hal — Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:46:56 +0000

Here’s an article that covers some of the issues. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16951193/site/newsweek/

“The Fusion is a Mazda-based product that’s not built in the U.S., [it’s built in Mexico],” says Toyota’s Press. “The Camry is an Ann Arbor-engineered car that’s built in Kentucky. Who’s to say what’s import and what’s domestic?”

By: chevy490

chevy490 — Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:10:54 +0000

come on gm everybody wants to see u keep the top spot, besides the demacrats that is!

By: mujician

mujician — Sat, 03 Feb 2007 00:48:46 +0000

I understand your points the Lambo, and I do agree with alot of them. It’s not right what GM did with the railroads and as far as Bush goes, I made sure I voted both times just so I could do my part to prevent him getting into office. Never cared for the bastard. I just feel that no matter what, you do have to stand up for what you are.

By: autonutt

autonutt — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:16:31 +0000

obviously GMisnumber1forever!

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:47:33 +0000

mujician people bash their own country, as I often bash America, because it is poorly representing the American people right now. In terms of cars, America makes inferior products compared to a plethora of other manufacturers. In terms of everything else, America is an embarrassment right now in a variety of ways, be it us making a fool of ourselves in Iraq, the way Bush really fumbled Katrina and still hasn’t made much headway on that issue, the disgustingly prejudiced conservative beliefs concerning gay marriage, and the blatant ignorance regarding global warming, America has really become something I personally am not too proud of. Maybe if you’d stop insulting everyone that maybe isn’t a naive patriotic such as yourself you’d open your eyes and see some of this

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:44:31 +0000

I see your point, but they’ve also screwed over a lot of workers and created some really awful products through cost cutting that just shouldn’t have happened. They DO need to earn support, don’t you understand, they’ve been around for a long time, but if they’re not producing adequately, they deserve no break just because they’ve old names. These are companies that did whatever they needed back in the day to get to the top, I was actually reading that a century ago or so GM bought up a lot of the U.S’s railroads simply to deactivate them so people would be forced to buy more cars: that’s sleazy, that’s a low blow, and that’s what they did to survive. They helped to destroy a completely different industry. Now they’re falling in quality, and they’re losing their spot as #1, that’s how the market works.

By: mujician

mujician — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:03:56 +0000

Sorry, I got a little out of hand, but does anyone see the point.

By: Hal

Hal — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:16:40 +0000

Like Jonnycat says volume of sales isn’t as important as margin on sales, so if Ford and GM are finally eliminating the less profitable sales, cutting capacity and focusing on margins thats a good thing.

Mujician: GM and Ford don’t deserve anyone’s support just because they are American. They need to earn consumer support just like every other company.

By: TOZO

TOZO — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:16:09 +0000

btw – well spoken, mujician!

By: TOZO

TOZO — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:14:55 +0000

LJ! – I pieced the list together from a few different sites – right onto a template so it’s quick.
(I’ve done this before too: First time Ford’s the #3 brand & Toyota’s #2)

By: gino

gino — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:14:21 +0000

In US, GM sells cars branded as: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Daewoo (is it stil sold in US?), GMC, Hummer, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn: 9, often cross-competing brands, 3 of which try to have a slice of the near-luxury market. Toyota sells 3 much better positioned and rarely cross-competing brands. To me it only says that GM has rather poor strategy (and while killing Oldsmobile was a step in the right direction, there are at least 4 more brands that should have been killed long ago). Of course it would alienate current customers, dealers, unions, etc. But at least GM could try to improve their marketing mix…

To GM#1, I noticed that over the last 2-3 weeks I would come to LLN just to read your comments. It’s just like a free comedy club with insult jokes. Good job, man!

By: jonnycat

jonnycat — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:22:49 +0000

All GM has to do is be able to start netting only a $1000 profit per car. If you were to use January as an Avg for the entire MY07, GM would be a $3billion in the black.

All the market is doing is settling. It is like pouring sugar in a bowl, you’ll have a peak in the middle until you shake it up and it smooths out. If people think Toyota will keep rising and take all of the market share, your retarded. There will be a day when toyota starts losing their market share to companies like Kia, Hyundai.

The only reason for concern about GM and Ford is they screwed up basing their profits on x number of vehicles sold vs. a per vehicle profit, once they figure out how to do that they will be fine

By: max

max — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:16:04 +0000

LamborghiniZ-
Sure it shuts up people like GMnumber1 but, it keeps morons like you talking. Toyota/Honda arn’t as good as you all say they are.

GarbageMotorsCo-
I would like to see if Toyota can stay as the number one auto corportation for over 76 years. The bigger they are the harder they fall. GM has shown this…its only a matter of time before it happens to Toyota. So that same logic is why I have always purchased a GM vehicle. They are proven reliable to me and, are built like tanks. Unless they piss me off, I will always buy a GM product. GM’s cars need to be better in every aspect to any Toyota product in order to get people out of them and back into a Chevy/Pontiac/Buick…etc. Every new vehicle that they come out with is that much closer to that goal.

The thing that most of you have over looked is that GM’s sales are down predominately because they have really cut back on sales to rental fleets. Sure sales will be down but, they will be making more money per model line and improving the resale values of their vehicles.

By: GarbageMotorsCo

GarbageMotorsCo — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:03:00 +0000

probably signing up a new account under GMnumber2…

By: anderson_b76

anderson_b76 — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:59:06 +0000

where is gmnumberone now???

By: 55amg

55amg — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:39:34 +0000

why is gmnumber1 not posting in times like these… he is probably in a coma after he read it

By: GarbageMotorsCo

GarbageMotorsCo — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:32:12 +0000

^ lol, Nice

By: doublearon21

doublearon21 — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:13:08 +0000

American REV(erse)olution.

By: XeroBlue

XeroBlue — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:49:42 +0000

This is a Global economy. It doesnt matter that they are american companies or japanese companies or german companies. Portions of money from sales will always be dumped back into the us. I’ll root for the american companies when they pull their heads out of their asses and produce some good products. They could start with producing some real products worth while. Such as cars getting in excess of 50 MPG. Do that and ill do a cheer!

By: GarbageMotorsCo

GarbageMotorsCo — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:24:13 +0000

Toyota continues to roll along. Just a matter of time before GM’s undeserved reign at the top of the sales charts comes to an end. I know my friends and family members that own Toyotas are happy with them so they will remain loyal to the brand for good. To them, there is no reason to stray from something you know to be high quality and durable only to take a chance on an unproven domestic in which the horror stories still echo today.

Toyotas are not my cup of tea and I’ll probably never own one, but I can understand the draw.

By: imageWIS

imageWIS — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:12:05 +0000

It doesn’t matter how many cars you make, the important thing is whether the company makes a profit or not.

Jon.

By: devilsadvocate

devilsadvocate — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:27:52 +0000

GM’s sales are down 19% to 247,000
Toyota’s new record is still short 43,000 units of GM’s ****ty month. So GM Still outsold Toyota on a bad day.
Comment by jonnycat, posted on February1 at 6:10 pm

Absolutely! Just another anti-american liberal media bias distorting facts in a lame attempt to paint a David-son vs Goliath-Motors story…

By: Syrax

Syrax — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:19:00 +0000

isn’t freightliner in the count on DCX as well? or it’s just cars on this?

By: LJ

LJ — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 05:43:06 +0000

Hey,TOZO… what website did you get the numbers from( I know they are correct, as I have seen Most of them on other news sites)? You posted the only numbers I have seen for Suzuki sales, for example, and it would be great to have the link to the site.

Thanks.
take care/not offense.

By: Veda

Veda — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:47:36 +0000

“It doesn’t make since how some enjoy negative sales reports coming from the American brands. Unless, they’re not in america… this is the Internet, right?”

I enjoy negative reports on brands that make crap products regardless of where they’re based. They just really deserved it.

By: Robert

Robert — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:49:39 +0000

I actually applaud both GM and Ford. They are doing what they should have done two or three years ago – stop dumping in the rental fleets. If they had, their results this quarter would have looked much better (although still down). And it’s going to be hard to constantly live with 10-20% declines as they slow rental sales for the next few months, especially with the media looking for the next death and destruction story.

What must be most frustrating for GM is that their new Silverado is flat compared to last year, and trucks don’t end up in a lot of rental fleets. The positive side is that combined, the Sierra and Silverado are above last year and greater than the F-series, which suffered a large 15% decline. So, at least there looks to be marketshare increase. Part of the F-series decline, however, is probably due to a lack of Super Duty pickups in inventory. My guess is that month over month declines in F-series sales will be less than 10% from here on out (although I don’t know that for sure, the Tundra could have a larger impact than I give it credit for).

Think of it this way though, 2008 will look fair to decent for both comapnies with a host of new product out. Comparisons will probably also be easier because of fewer rentals car sales.

I still cannot believe that the Camry sold so many. It’s a good car, but not that good. My experiences with it have not proven it to be worth $4k more than the Fusion and no better, in absolute terms, than the Accord. It kind of reminds me of the domestics in their heydey when they didn’t necessarily have the best product, or did, but weren’t that far ahead of the competition, and yet sold them like hotcakes at equal or higher prices. Turn of fortunes? Will we see a similar role reversal in the future?

By: bun_a_gm

bun_a_gm — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:27:13 +0000

Hello? GMnumberone4ever? No response? Thought so. American Revolution my ass.

By: doctrsnoop

doctrsnoop — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:04:24 +0000

I miss gm guy. He’s like that Iraqi news minister guy, so hilariously over the top in denial, you almost knew he was in on the joke.

By: MC

MC — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:01:16 +0000

Who are these people buying toyotas?

By: TOZO

TOZO — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:39:37 +0000

So breaking it down into brands/marques/divisions…
Jan 2007….

JAN07Rk All’06Rank Marque JanSales Change

1 2 Chevrolet 147,385 -17.9
2 3 Toyota 144,728 11.1
3 1 Ford 130,828 -22.1
4 4 Honda 87,773 -0.2
5 5 Dodge 79,461 3
6 6 Nissan 73,680 8.6
7 7 Chrysler 41,486 -15
8 8 Jeep 35,361 19
9 10 Hyundai 27,721 -8
10 9 GMC 27,369 -2.3
11 11 Pontiac 24,060 -38.5
12 13 Kia 22,524 24.4
13 12 Lexus 22,118 8.0
14 14 BMW 19,761 2.1
15 15 Mazda 19,265 6.0
16 16 Mercedes-Benz 17,069 37.0
17 18 Volkswagen 16,610 2.3
18 19 Cadillac 13,740 -10.5
19 20 Saturn 13,705 -22.2
20 21 Acura 13,017 -10.6
21 23 Mercury 12,604 -1.4
22 22 Subaru 12,074 -3
23 17 Buick 12,013 -32.8
24 26 Lincoln 9,594 2.7
25 27 Mitsubishi 9,383 25.6
26 24 Scion 9,004 -15.9
27 25 Infiniti 8,964 11.3
28 29 Suzuki 8,179 13
29 28 Volvo 7,808 -11.7
30 30 Audi 6,399 5.2
31 31 Hummer 3,980 -26.7
32 32 Land Rover 3,433 -7.0
33 35 Porsche 2,984 -8
34 34 SAAB 2,362 3.3
35 33 MINI 2,050 -30.4
36 36 Jaguar 1,390 -12.9
37 37 Isuzu 500 -29.4

Total 1,090,382 -4.6

Notes: Changes in sales are from Jan 07 compared with Jan 06: some is daily sales rate, some is volume change; Toyota & Scion are separate as are BMW & Mini. Isuzu is exacly 500.

By: S-60-driver

S-60-driver — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:25:11 +0000

^ jonnycat…. think about this….

There’s a new Tundra coming out soon. Also, a new Corolla. Thats why the customers are waiting. Thats where Toyota is 43,000 units short of GM’s total month. If there weren’t any new truck and car coming out, people would go ahead and buy/lease these and in result…. beating GM for January sales!