This is going to take a huge bite out of the unreliable and problematic X5 and Audi Q7 sales. Poor Acura and Lexus aren’t going to sell a damn MLX or RX once these arrive and I also predict big losses for both companies. Combine this with the new CTS, Malibu, Aura, GMT900’s and the Germans, Toyota and Honda are going to be hurtin units come 2008. May even run their asses back to Germany/Japan in retreat. The American Revolution is taking names and kickin ass!

gmrules!!! lol

For this price range, there are so many better choices (Styles) than the Enclave.

I would rather just buy a Hyundai.

I’m utterly convinced. I’ll be dumping my CLK and getting a high quality, built with loving care by dedicated GM workers, incredibly well engineered, Cobalt. Oh wait.. no… I just drove past one and the tranny had fallen out. I talked to the owner and he said that it had caught fire 8 times, and that the passenger door had actually melted. I’ll stick with what I have thank you.

GM you are relentless. I’m amazed at how you can keep the Gm rules schtick going strong for so long. Most trolls go away after a day or so. Some days it’s really annoying other days it funny. Anyway, today I almost agree with you. I think the Enclave is a great looking vehicle inside and out and I think it will sell very well. If I was in the market for an SUV in this price range I would certainly consider it. It’s nice to finally see something interesting coming out of Buick.

For once I agree with GMRules (shocking). There are a sizable amount of families that have been doing the Yukon/Suburban thing for some time, want to continue to buy big American, but would like a slightly better ride, easier to manuever, maybe some better mileage, all wrapped in a more stylish package. This Enclave nails it. The only competition for this is GM’s own Outlook and Arcadia, or the outdated Japanese choices that most GM buyers wouldn’t consider anyway.

when gm stops positioning its product comparably just because they can develop a similar price point,ie in the range of more refined vehilces, they will be more competitive…

CORRECTION to my post: *but god help me if anyone chooses it over the 3 I listed there

I sense fear in your postings Lambo. Your precious imports are going down pal. Victims of the American Revolution.

Lambo, the MDX, X5, and RX are all clearly better vehicles than these GM offerings, but they will not be cross shopped. Enclave buyers are coming from Yukon XL, Suburban, Expedition, maybe even Escalade. They want big American iron that can truly seat 7 people AND their stuff, and possibly tow a boat or a trailer. Your three cannot pull this off.

You’re preaching to the choir though, since being an FX owner, I would clearly rather own the three you mention. My brother has three kids, a dog, a boat and likes to buy American (currently has previous model Yukon XL), so he is drooling over this Enclave. I wouldn’t want one, but after talking with him, I can see how people like him would.

Congratulations guys, LLN forums are in the toilet again.

I can think of several imports that I would rather have than this for that amount of $$$

Honda’s Pilot is tough to beat for the money.

Yeah, me again…Anybody considering a Pilot is not looking at a vehicle of this size. The Pilot is a fine car but is not a fit for a large active family that the Enclave appeals to. Furthermore, these buyers moving out of their huge SUVs will think the Pilot is miniscule and wimpy.

This magnificent gift from the GM Gods will not only steal sales from the Japanese and the German SUV makers but it will also force many Maybach, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus and Denbeigh drivers to trade in their steeds for the General’s mighty new vehicles. GM rules and everything else is teh ghey!!!1!!one!!

i wouldn’t buy any of them, but i like the acadia much more than this…

give it a week, once the incentives hit and you can pick one up loaded for 25k then it will be a good deal.

I’d rather be poked with a sharp stick in the eye, than own this mess. Can’t wait to read the mile long list of TSB’s to come.

$37k… not bad for a GM quality that will last forever.

I hope it sells well. Buick needs it! But yeah, wow, the Enclave is NICE! I gotta say I think it’s freakin’ awesome.

LamboZ – The new MDX and X5 plus the RX are not in this vehicle’s class. This would be much closer to GX than RX, and neither Acura nor BMW have something this big.

I don’t think there will be middle ground. Either this will flop because it’s not really a huge SUV nor a small crossover, or these Lambdas (Lambdas, right?) will fill a need that American soccer moms across the nation want: Proper seating capacity for eight (the backseat of a Highlander or Explorer doesn’t count), decent fuel economy…Basically a minivan without the doors.

The X5 is a SUV this is a crossover, they’re not in the same class. The RDX is far too small and has only an I4. The MDX is this vehicle’s competition along with the Lexus RX350, Caddy SRX and the Lincoln MSomething or other. There has been a huge interest in this vehicle and it will do very well. i would have it over all the vehicles i mentioned because it looks about 10x better than all of them.

roadmaster96, I would buy it over all that you mentioned too because it will be the only one that won’t have you making best friends with the mechanic(Other than the awesome Caddy SRX of course).

Remember RX’s have a high tranny failure rate and thiey have been known to spontaneously combust if you push them too hard. And the MDX is just ugly with recalls and issues a mile long. So there are many buyers looking to trade up for this awesome new Buick.

GM Girl is wrong as always comparing apples to oranges. I do think this thing will do nothing but good for GM tho. It seems high end and quite nice inside and out. Togos for Buick. Again i stress ppl who buy BMW stick with the German brands. They dont cross shop w/ American brands. There are always the exception, but by and large this will cut into Japanese and other American competitors. And who says thats a bad thing? Roadmaster, your rite. This things comp is the RX, SRX, MKX. PPL looking at those brands will definitely include this Buick in the mix. If your a tard Like GMhooker thinking the X5 ML and Q7 will suffer your wrong. The Q7 is in a class of its own. Its HUGE its a boat, & its underpowered as far as im concerned. The ML is a truck! Enough said there, and the X5 is for those who must have a UTE but want sportyness, and handling. To top it all off those three have what Buick never will. PPL that buy these three have money. PPL w/ money like to buy nice things. And ill tell you now as nice as the Buick is, Its still no MB, BMW or Audi. Thats just the way the world works. I can appreciate it for what it is tho. A nice Buick Utility Vehicle.

Wow, I was just looking at pictures of the Enclave from an earlier post, and I must say, that it looks classier than the interior of the recently unveiled Mercedes C-Class. PS: I’m not a troll, I’m being honest. And I’m usually a Fanboy für alles deutsches. Well done GM.

Mercedes and Audi owners will be looking to trade up to Enclaves once the word gets out as well.

Too little too late

haha i love GM hahaha. im a retard hahaha.

Not sure why someone would pay more for this version of the Lambda than the others. I suppose if it’s a choice based on looks, then you’re going to pay more if you prefer the Buick styling. Otherwise, all three are the same vehicle.

The early buyers will be the ‘Zero down/72mo.’ crowd…parked in front of variable loan mortgages. It’s a class thing. Real diamond buyers don’t shop at Zales. GM did this to themselves.

j i m

GMnumberone4ever, a shopping trolley looks better than this Buick. and it probably has better interior as well. my god this is ugly.

The only people who would buy this thing are old people, stupid people, and the Chinese.

roadmaster96 — what is the difference between a crossover and SUV? I always thought that crossover was a new term for a car based SUV versus a BOF truck SUV.

Woudln’t that make the X5 a crossover? It is very much a unit body car based vehicle.

It would be in the same class as the Buick, sort of, but not really b/c of price.

You are right about the looks, it is sharp.

Oh no! Will my beautiful ASSTEK inspired plasitc Rendevous be gone??? How could they replace it with THIS!?!?!?!?!?!

GM knew they had a successful formula with the Rendezvous, but it was time for a replacment so here ya go. It’s a cycle joseph.

Nice vehicle, nicer than most of the imports. I thing the only TRUE competitors (size,power,style) to this are (besides the siblings) the Merc GL, and the Caddy SRX) The others listed in other posts are much smaller and less capable, but are nice vehicles. I can’t agree with one poster that said a Pilot is better. In what way? It’s smaller, less MPG, less power, less towing capacity, less of everything important to an SUV owner, AND it looks like the refrigerator sitting in my kitchen. Pilot is a good vehicle, but no way better than this, even for the money. Possibly the only concession I’d give to the Pilot is quality, but not by much as the latest GM’s have been pretty darn good, and they have a better warranty to boot!

Oops, did I say that earlier? Classier than a Mercedes Benz interior? Maybe not, but certainly better than a Rolls-Royce.

Classy crossover, yet still a car brand that only the older demographic would buy. (I shouldn’t say that since I am 20 and own a 2001 LeSabre). I would really like to see Buick make a 2-door RWD coupe, based off the Solstice or 2009 Camaro Platform, so it would appeal to more youthful buyers and be a better asset to GM.

Mercedes GL??? Isn’t that a Tahoe wannabe for losers? Why the hell are you comparing that POS to the Enclave? Grow up kid, you sound like an ass.

GMnumberone4ever – You even a bigger ass because the Tahoe is like 5 generations behind the GL. The GL handle better then all GM cars let alone that piece of **** you call a Taheo. I sharp turn and you guaranteed upside down in the taheo.

Looks like just another obese American SUV/station wagon/gas pig. If this is GM’s comeback machine they’re in for a big let down…

LOL the Taheo is for peeps who cant afford a nicer branded vehicle. It does what it does well. Its no show stopper for sure but its good for what it is. Large Earth destroyer for the masses. Comparing ANY GM model to Any German models is just wrong including VW. The Tourag is a much better ute than anything GM can muster hands down. Dont believe me? Then try and back it up. The Tourag s got skills on road AND off. Adjustible ride height 2 locking diffs 42 inches of fording and its entrance and exit numbers for climbing up cliff faces cannot be beat short of a REAL hummer not that fake H2 wannabe TOY hummer. Dont get me started on that BS.

Just admit it! Your forces are inadequate. Its not your fault. Your not in command of GM…or are you? heheh of course not. In any case this is all ridiculous. GM cannot compete w/ the Germans as much as Mercedes competing w/ a Chevy cobalt. You dont see MB producing a cobalt equivalent here in the states. Why? they leave that up to GM and other lower brands. Stay in your territory hewch, or be owned by BMW, MB and Audi. Plain and simple.

Looks like just another obese American SUV/station wagon/gas pig. If this is GM’s comeback machine they’re in for a big let down…

Comment by 1234, posted on January19 at 3:41 pm

Gas pig? Not really. It gets better gas mileage than a Honda Pilot. It is larger and more powerful as well. I drove a Saturn Outlook (same vehicle but with a Saturn badge) and I really liked it. It was stable and very confident in its motions. The thing that needs work now is dash materials. While the dash is textured nicely it is still hard hollow plastic. It looks good though.

GM#1…I am 38 with 15 years experience in vehicle prototype instrumentation and durability testing. I am also a professional performance and quality evaluator, and I’ve worked with JD Power & RL Polk. I’ve worked with every major manufacturer on the planet, and almost every tier 1 supplier. I’ve probably worked the most with GM. I have access to every manufacturers’ North American proving grounds, including GM’s and I’ve driven & tested just about every vehicle ever made since 1991, even a few in commercials. I think I know what I am talking about, son. My first test “Ride & Drive” was with the ZR-1 engineering team. You probably don’t even know what a ZR-1 is. A little before your time I think.

HEY…I think I hear your Mom calling you down for your snak-pak. Don’t forget to wash your hands before eating! And brush after every meal, OK? Nice boy…

*snicker*

golf4me, lol, funny! I simply loathe GM#1forever!

its good looking for a buick, seems like an adequate pricing strategy.

It needs a V8 version.

I bet it’ll get one in a couple of years, once the initial buzz dies down.

GM#1 live it up brother. Please keep posting. I just had a crappy day at work, but you my friend have once again pulled me from the flame of the crappy auto industry. You are frickin halarious. I especially like the 5 posts’ you get after every time you comment. Speak on with the nonsense, and piss off everyone if you can.

Why are there so many people ragging on the Enclave already? It hasn’t even been reviewed yet. It’s siblings have done fairly well in reviews, and this one is supposed to be the best.

golf4me. — you answered you own question as to why I felt the Pilot was better.

Quality.

That is an important one. No doubt as to which one is the better looker and is larger, but quality, including NVH and “fit and finish’ are real big reasons why I chose the Pilot in its price class.

That GM warranty is a major plus though.

No motor in a Buick Enclave will ever be the match of a Honda engine.

GM#1-4ever – didn’t I see a post by you earlier about the Pilot?

Seems to be a beautiful car.
GM#1, take it easy. Everybody has already seen that you are not serious. Your jokes are great, but don’t seem to be taken seriously.

People, after taking a deep look at the pictures, I’m now very convinced that this is one VERY BEAUTIFUL car. As a huge fan of VW (I already mentioned that I really don’t know why – lol) It’s hard to admit, but I find it even better-looking than the great Audi Q7 and VW Touareg. But HEY, that’s me…

Renton: as much as I agree with you, I think Honda historically has struggled to get some decent torque out of their engines, which is why most people serious about hauling their stuff won’t go down that route. And TBH, I really can’t think why anyone would want this over a Tahoe/Yukon. In my eyes the Lambda-vehicles look like weak offspring of the GMT-900-vehicles.

Renton, how do you figure the Pilot is better, without even seeing or driving the Enclave? I’ve driven the Outlook, and it is hands down better than the Pilot in every regard, including the motor. The Enclave can only be even better when you factor in the style. The new V6 GM is using in this vehicle has not had wide distribution yet, but it has been critically acclaimed by most (notably Pro-Honda and Toyota) publications. Same with the trans. No doubt the Pilot is a great vehicle, but I think GM has a winner in this platform, and will surprise a lot of people with it, as long as the UAW slugs build it right.

GM tests their prototypes in the harshest conditions and ways possible, harder than any other manufacturer IMO. I’ve seen prototypes with over 100k miles on them still going strong, which is equivalent to roughly 300k consumer miles. It’s when they hand it over to the factory guys (read UAW) things usually get messed up.

How do I figure the Pilot is better?

“It’s when they hand it over to the factory guys (read UAW) things usually get messed up.”

The Honda is not built by UAW.

That’s it. A pretty big reason. Plus the craptastic GM interiors. Sure I agree that the motor is huge improvement and so may be the tranny. But GM has history of less than stellar interiors and this will surely suffer from some of that, despite their best efforts.

I’ll check it out, no doubt. Maybe, I’ll be surprised, ’cause that’s what it would take for me to like it.

GM vehicles just are always lacking in some kind of intangible feel of goodness. It is a tough rep to shake

1c3d0g — The only reason I would pick an Enclave over a Yukon/Tahoe is mileage. Those new Tahoes are sharp.

As far as the lack of torque goes that is true, but I would not buy a Pilot to haul stuff. I also would not buy an Enclave either, if hauling was an issue. Both of these cars are
glorified modern station wagons

BTW my friend hauls two motorcycles with is Pontiac Vibe.

All of you also consider the Pilot will soon be redesigned, in which case it will further widen it’s hold over these GM crossovers. The Pilot in its current generation is most likely better, and it’s at the end of its lifespan, once it’s redesigned, game over.

MikeFX, the only reason I cited those vehicles was because GMnumberoneforever had cited them in his post prior to mine, I also agree they won’t be crosshopped. And nice pick on the Infiniti FX, I’ve always really liked it, never gotten a chance to drive it but I’ve heard great things and it looks fantastic

I hope this is the big hit GM thinks it’s going to be. I still think the base price should be a tad more competitive -at least intially. I think a starting price slightly below 30K would’ve been better especially if they are trying to tap into sales of some of the vehicles mentioned here. Then again, maybe they have substantial data that says their new product warrants it. I hope Buick can rebuild their image, just based on their long history. Lucerne, lacrosse and now this seems to turning a new page. I just wish there was a little more performance in their offerings.

It’s a beautiful vehicle — the best-looking of the Lambdas. I am really rooting for it. I’ll definitely look at it to replace our ‘99 Volvo wagon… and if you don’t think it’s going to get cross-shopped against Acura, Lexus, Murano, etc., you’re crazy. It’s right in that wheelhouse.

I am concerned that it’ll price high. The Outlook looks like a better value-f0r-money proposition, even if I think it looks chunkier and ungainly.

And I worry that the Lambdas, all of them, will not give good smooth power response or road feel. The Volvo is kind of a hangar queen and a pain in the ass, but its 5-cyl 197hp engine is silky smooth and the car feels great. If my wife thinks the Lambdas feel even slightly “trucky” in comparison, the deal is off and we’ll get a Lexus.

Wow, LamborghiniZ. You don’t give up do you. GM couldn’t ever build a vehicle up to your lofty expectations. Well I am going to prove your opinion incorrect one way or another.
I have driven both the Saturn Outlook and the Honda Pilot. The Outlook is far superior. Driving a Pilot is like driving a Buick, the steering is slow and numb. Its feels porky, and its ugly too. The GM Lambdas have more room for cargo and passengers, are quicker to 60 mph and get better gas mileage. The Buick is the style queen of the group and will win any features per price comparison you put it in (hell, it has standard HID headlights). Driving the Saturn feels like driving and SUV because you can feel the weight in the steering wheel. It is also very stable with good turn-in and on-center feel.

Whats supposed to be so special about the Honda Pilot? I own a tint, accessories and stereo shop and had a Pilot in the shop last week to get the windows tinted. I have heard many of you singing its praises here on Leftlane, so I looked it over pretty close. The dash had nice graining, but it was all hard plastic, in fact hard plastic seamed to be everywhere. One of the center vents was already broken, and the fit was just average. As far as the exterior I almost fell asleep before my eyes made it to the rear of the car. Not only does it look boring, its also ugly. It appears to me that GM has a very strong contender, if not the class-leader in this segmant.

^^^ to truly appreciate the Pilot you have to live with it. It is not a sports car. it is not a truck. It is a reliable, highly awarded appliance to get around in. Very well equipped they can be had for about $32K. If you are looking for excitement, you won’t find it here.

It is currently the best vehicle in its segment and the Enclave will have something to prove. I hope it does well, but GM seems to always find a way to cut just a few too many corners.

I love the hard plastic comments about GM. Think they are the only ones doing it? The new Tundra has zero soft materials in the interior with the exception of the seats. That is the short term future for these trucks and SUV/CUV’s. The competition is causing the OEM’s to cut cost anywhere they can and the new interior grains and ultra low gloss levels are allowing them to do it w/o changing appearance. You have to touch the materials to figure out they are not soft.

American quality with a Japanese price, what’s not to love?

American quality with a Japanese price, what’s not to love?

Comment by Craziness, posted on January21 at 3:13 am

No, better than Japanese quality but with more features at a Korean price, with American style and luxury added in .

max –”No, better than Japanese quality but with more features at a Korean price, with American style and luxury added in”

Are you talking about Saturn?

max, like i said before, the pilot is at the end of its generation, i’m sure you can even admit the new one will be a huge improvement and most likely will be far superior to the lambdas. be realistic, you’re comparing an old model to a brand new one, and if the pilot is what you say it is, well then that’s why a redesign is right around the corner. but the pilot has proved itself to be the best in the segment, no denying that.

If the new Pilot is anything like the new Acura MDX, the rest of the segment will be also rans. SH-AWD anyone?

Has anyone noticed that Honda is trying to put more performance and handling into all their cars?

In the new Car and Driver the Accord came in first in a comparo test of 6 cars. It will redisigned next year. Honda is making a major push. The new Pilot will be awesome.

Renton-
I was actually talking about the Buick above. I have heard that SH-AWD is amazing. I have never driven an Acura with it, though. Too bad that it can’t compensate for physics for the over weight RL.

LamborghiniZ-
I agree the new one will be a major improvement over the dissapointing current one. Although, it might be too late in the product development cycle to make it truely class leading over the new GM triplets. Honda probably had no idea that these were coming and would be this good (thinking Toyota’s delay of the Tundra when they saw the new Silverado). So, Honda could delay the new one in order to out do GM or, introduce it anyway and do a midcycle enhancement 2 years afterwards. It was best in its segment because it didn’t really have any competition (the Tahoe, et.al. don’t count, body on frame truck SUV vs. crossover).

The Pilot isnt better than the new GM offerings. Anyone with any objectivity and common sense knows this. The Pilot is the epitome of an average SUV, it’s not class leading in one single category. The new Pilot is likely to be competitive with the Lamdas but they are so good that its going to be nearly impossible to completely leapfrog them. Toyota and Honda do not pay any attention to GM’s offerings so I agree with the person who said Honda probably had no idea the lamdas would be this good. The Pilot will have more power and some new features and typical Honda lame styling. I cant see any surprises coming.

GM has made three very solid crossovers and people just need to accept it. The exuces and insults to GM’s quality are pointless and only go to show that some people are struggling to come up with legit complaints about these vehicles.

This is absolutley gorgeous

The reviews I’ve read so far of the new Lambdas, as I haven’t yet gotten to test drive any of them, say they are solid SUV’s, but hardly groundbreaking. The Lambdas have no surprises either sj79, they are capable crossovers, but they hardly are reinventing the category, neither will the new Pilot, but it most likely will build on what was an extremely successful formula and improve it and make it better, hence surpassing the Lambdas. It’s simple really, you’re trying too hard to insult what is considered the best in class and you’re coming up short

Agreed. This rig will take a bite into the X5/RX/MDX/RDX/CRV crowd but for crying out loud……..all-wheel drive starting at $37,000.00????? I can buy a Subaru Forester 2.5 XT Limited loaded to the gills with money left over to buy some aftermarket BBS chrome rims, Avon high performance summer tires, Bridgestone Blizzak winter tires, computer chip to boost the horse power, along with aftermarket exhaust system & air filter kit for well under the starting price of the Buick people mover. I’m not trying to be a smart ass, just stating facts.

Right, and you can buy an Evo and tweak it up to 911 standards.

But most people aren’t going to do that…especially not the type of people who buy Buicks. The Forester is a compact SUV, and Enclave seats 8 anyways. Different appeals.

Hey renton, what’s funny is that the Pilot and/or the MDX aren’t even IN the segment. These Lambdas are so much bigger that it’s not even a contest. Plus, quicker, AND more efficient, AND better looking. The Pilot is more comparable to the Murano and Edge. The MDX, with it’s Go-Bot grille is just too hideous for anyone with any taste to consider….

Hey, golf4me…

Those SUVs you love aren’t bolted together as tightly as the Honda. That is no contest and it is a big one.

Not in the same segment? What segment is the Enclave in?

What’s funny is your love of a brand new everything SUV from a company that has a way less than stellar track record for new models.

How can anyone say how well an Enclave is bolted together? Where not in the 80’s anymore, to automatically assume everything foreign is better is very ignorant.

I’m not automatically asuming everything foreign is better. I’m asuming a Honda is.

It is hardly ignorant cheif, much less “very ignorant”. GM has not set the world on fire with its build quality for a very long time. Honda on the other hand has done a pretty good job at it.

You are right. A long time ago GM had bad build quality. I think we know that. However today they are pretty much the same as everyone else. Just look at the data. The best is Porsche at 91. The worst at 204. That is only a range of 1 problem per car to two probles per car at 90 days (build quality) per JD Power. And most of GM’s products are better than 1.3 problems per car. Honda is at 1.1 pph.

Renton-
According to the 2006 JD Power & Asscociates Vehicle Dependability Study, Buick and Cadillac are ranked above Toyota and Honda with 153 problems/100 vehicles for Buick and 163 problems/100 vehilces for Cadillac.

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pdf/2006133.pdf

I think J.D. Power is worthless.

Reading that freaked me out haha. The car segments they list have odd members :S

And where do you get your reliability information? Consumer Reports? They are more worthless than JD. They are only good at reporting the reliability of dishwashers and ovens.

max — I never mentioned reliabilty, I was referring to quality. They are different.

JD Power asks the buyers, and most of them are retards.

Why are you defending a car that is not really out yet?

Eh, I take any information from both “research” firms with a grain of salt. The best way to find out information on a car is to get info from people who actually own one and other methods of independent research.

Sat in one at the Detroit show. Materials not up to those in Acura and Lexus.

Reliability could be there. TrueDelta (my site) should start collecting reliability info on the Outlook and Acadia soon, with first results as early as May.

I have entered Enclave base pricing and standard features into the site’s pricing database. Surprisingly, when you adjust for features the Enclave is a bit less expensive than the Acadia.

http://www.truedelta.com/models/Enclave.php

reliability issue — “GM cars run bad longer than many cars run at all.”

Car and Driver, ‘07

lambo,

Your credibility is right there with GMnumber one. You cannot be taken seriously. The Pilot isnt a benchmark in any category. Not in hp, not design, not in handling, nothing. It has been left behind and perhaps the new model will close the gap with the lambda. You and rention are making lame excuses and refuse to give GM credit for what they have done. No one in their right mind would buy a boxy Piloty with its dull all black plastic interior over the Acadia or Outlook. The GM vehicles are larger, better looking, more powerful, have FAR more features and get better mileage. In what way are they inferior to the current Pilot? The lamdas were created to match up with the ‘08 Pilot, not the current model which is now looking like an alsoran.

As for build quality, GM’s build quality is just fine in 2007. Go to the autoshow and compare the gaps youself. You people are living in the 80s.

“What’s funny is your love of a brand new everything SUV from a company that has a way less than stellar track record for new models.”

WHat new models are you talking about? You are right the CTS, Solstice/Sky, Impala, GMT900 SUVs, Lucerne, Vette, G6, etc. have all been flops. GM hasnt had any successful new models in the last 10 years. I stand corrected. This Enclave is likely to flop just like everything else GM has introduced lately. Regardless of GM’s “track record’ the Enclave is hot and Honda better come with its A game with the new pilot. Perhaps they can design something that looks better than the shipping crate the Enclave comes in. Of course knowing their track record I really doubt it. These are the people who bought us the Ridgeline.

“It is currently the best vehicle in its segment and the Enclave will have something to prove. I hope it does well, but GM seems to always find a way to cut just a few too many corners.”

Have you even read any of the reviews of the Acadia and Outlook? Your comments make it seem as if you have not. I think you should do so before raving about the Pilot being best in class. Numerous reviews have said the GM SUVs are better. The Enclave has to prove nothing, its better than the current Pilot in almost every way. In fact, I cant even come up with one category where the Pilot is superior. The Buick has a better warranty, more style, a better interior, larger wheels, more hp, a 6 speed, more space, etc. The list is too long to detail right now. The Honda offers no advantages.

The Lambdas are going to put Honda, Toyota ans the Germans out of the SUV business. Nobody is going to buy them without deep discounts, like 10 – 20k off the asking price. Sorry folks, the American Revolution is stampeding through the industry and taking names. Good riddance to bad rubbish (Honda, Toyota, Germans)

sj79 — How old are you? I was around when GM was building absolute ****, and Honda was gaining market share by the bucketloads.

When each of these cars is 5 years old, we’ll see which one is in better shape.

BTW, next year, when the new Pilot comes out, you’ll know what I’m talking about.

GM has a lot to prove and if you don’t think so, you have not been around long enough to know any better.

How many GM cars have you owned? How many Hondas? My combined answer is in the double digits.

Renton-
Who gives a **** how old they are. He is looking at the facts. The Honda is out classed this time. Ok, so give up.

I’ve worked at a car dealership so I have driven plenty of both.

sj79 –”Of course knowing their track record I really doubt it. These are the people who bought us the Ridgeline.”

They also brought us the NSX and the S2000. Plus, they have massive succes in almost all aspects of racing. Including F1 and MotoGP.

I never said all those cars were flops. I just said Hondas are built better. UAW vs non-UAW, who would you rather have building your car?

I can’t beleive I’m on some blog and folks are bashing the quality issue of a Honda.

Most of you posters are sooooo biased, you lose all credibility. Many of you are so decidedly pro-GM or anti-American that you may as well not even post here – your drivel is completely irrelevant to any educated reader. This car/crossover stands on its own merits and is worthy of consideration if you are in the market for a minivan alternative. 275hp out of a 3.6L V6 is very competitive against any measure. Beauty is a personal judgement, but this new Lambda is, if nothing else, certainly distinctive. It will come with a 100,000 mile warranty and Buick has a leading satisfaction rank among all brands – import and domestic. Those of you who hate America can keep happily buying Hondas and Toyotas. For the rest of us, we are thankful that maybe an American manufacturer finally built a car we can at least consider. BTW – my mother-in-law drives a Saturn Vue with the Honda 3.5L V6 and there is nothing at all extraordinary about that motor. In fact, it is rather loud and harsh at high revs.

I would have to agree with scauto about the biases on the boards. Even the people who claim to be the voice of reason in here are just as bad. Gmnumber1forever is a prime example, and so is lamborghiniZ. So far I’ve seen no such thing as an intellegent conversation on this site.