They also brought us the NSX and the S2000. Plus, they have massive succes in almost all aspects of racing. Including F1 and MotoGP.

I never said all those cars were flops. I just said Hondas are built better. UAW vs non-UAW, who would you rather have building your car?

I can’t beleive I’m on some blog and folks are bashing the quality issue of a Honda.

I’ve worked at a car dealership so I have driven plenty of both.

When each of these cars is 5 years old, we’ll see which one is in better shape.

BTW, next year, when the new Pilot comes out, you’ll know what I’m talking about.

GM has a lot to prove and if you don’t think so, you have not been around long enough to know any better.

How many GM cars have you owned? How many Hondas? My combined answer is in the double digits.

Have you even read any of the reviews of the Acadia and Outlook? Your comments make it seem as if you have not. I think you should do so before raving about the Pilot being best in class. Numerous reviews have said the GM SUVs are better. The Enclave has to prove nothing, its better than the current Pilot in almost every way. In fact, I cant even come up with one category where the Pilot is superior. The Buick has a better warranty, more style, a better interior, larger wheels, more hp, a 6 speed, more space, etc. The list is too long to detail right now. The Honda offers no advantages.

Your credibility is right there with GMnumber one. You cannot be taken seriously. The Pilot isnt a benchmark in any category. Not in hp, not design, not in handling, nothing. It has been left behind and perhaps the new model will close the gap with the lambda. You and rention are making lame excuses and refuse to give GM credit for what they have done. No one in their right mind would buy a boxy Piloty with its dull all black plastic interior over the Acadia or Outlook. The GM vehicles are larger, better looking, more powerful, have FAR more features and get better mileage. In what way are they inferior to the current Pilot? The lamdas were created to match up with the ‘08 Pilot, not the current model which is now looking like an alsoran.

As for build quality, GM’s build quality is just fine in 2007. Go to the autoshow and compare the gaps youself. You people are living in the 80s.

“What’s funny is your love of a brand new everything SUV from a company that has a way less than stellar track record for new models.”

WHat new models are you talking about? You are right the CTS, Solstice/Sky, Impala, GMT900 SUVs, Lucerne, Vette, G6, etc. have all been flops. GM hasnt had any successful new models in the last 10 years. I stand corrected. This Enclave is likely to flop just like everything else GM has introduced lately. Regardless of GM’s “track record’ the Enclave is hot and Honda better come with its A game with the new pilot. Perhaps they can design something that looks better than the shipping crate the Enclave comes in. Of course knowing their track record I really doubt it. These are the people who bought us the Ridgeline.

Car and Driver, ‘07

Reliability could be there. TrueDelta (my site) should start collecting reliability info on the Outlook and Acadia soon, with first results as early as May.

I have entered Enclave base pricing and standard features into the site’s pricing database. Surprisingly, when you adjust for features the Enclave is a bit less expensive than the Acadia.

http://www.truedelta.com/models/Enclave.php

JD Power asks the buyers, and most of them are retards.

Why are you defending a car that is not really out yet?

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pdf/2006133.pdf

You are right. A long time ago GM had bad build quality. I think we know that. However today they are pretty much the same as everyone else. Just look at the data. The best is Porsche at 91. The worst at 204. That is only a range of 1 problem per car to two probles per car at 90 days (build quality) per JD Power. And most of GM’s products are better than 1.3 problems per car. Honda is at 1.1 pph.

It is hardly ignorant cheif, much less “very ignorant”. GM has not set the world on fire with its build quality for a very long time. Honda on the other hand has done a pretty good job at it.

Those SUVs you love aren’t bolted together as tightly as the Honda. That is no contest and it is a big one.

Not in the same segment? What segment is the Enclave in?

What’s funny is your love of a brand new everything SUV from a company that has a way less than stellar track record for new models.

But most people aren’t going to do that…especially not the type of people who buy Buicks. The Forester is a compact SUV, and Enclave seats 8 anyways. Different appeals.

GM has made three very solid crossovers and people just need to accept it. The exuces and insults to GM’s quality are pointless and only go to show that some people are struggling to come up with legit complaints about these vehicles.

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I agree the new one will be a major improvement over the dissapointing current one. Although, it might be too late in the product development cycle to make it truely class leading over the new GM triplets. Honda probably had no idea that these were coming and would be this good (thinking Toyota’s delay of the Tundra when they saw the new Silverado). So, Honda could delay the new one in order to out do GM or, introduce it anyway and do a midcycle enhancement 2 years afterwards. It was best in its segment because it didn’t really have any competition (the Tahoe, et.al. don’t count, body on frame truck SUV vs. crossover).

Has anyone noticed that Honda is trying to put more performance and handling into all their cars?

In the new Car and Driver the Accord came in first in a comparo test of 6 cars. It will redisigned next year. Honda is making a major push. The new Pilot will be awesome.

Are you talking about Saturn?

Comment by Craziness, posted on January21 at 3:13 am

No, better than Japanese quality but with more features at a Korean price, with American style and luxury added in .

It is currently the best vehicle in its segment and the Enclave will have something to prove. I hope it does well, but GM seems to always find a way to cut just a few too many corners.