About damn time! This is a big issue with the CTS crowd.

my boss noticed his 07 was leaking 2 weeks ago and brought it down to dutton, 30 minutes later he was on his way home. but still a recall is a recall, 2007 sure got almost everybody.

just another day at GM

AND THE FORBES’ “MOST NUMBER OF RECALLS OF 2007″ AWARD GOES TO (insert drumroll here)………………………………………………………………………..GM
HAHA HERE WE GO AGAIN ! I CANT HELP BUT NOTICING THAT GM HAVE RECALLED PRETTY MUCH ALL THE CARS THEY MAKE
ABSOLUTELY ****ING PATHETIC !

It’s about time. They should’ve fixed this first before worrying about 2002 Silverados.

What does Toyota call them? Warranty extensions.

Let the middle class American, fat, lazy, redneck, uneducated, toothless, union guy bashing begin. You predictable monkeys.

Why don’t they figure out how these seals work before they put ‘em on a quarter-milliuon vehicles.
More rigorous pre-production testing is needed.

I read somewhere that it was 313k vehicles… but it hardly matters. Just like I said in the Honda story earlier this week: every manufacturer has recalls. 2007 just seems to be the year for them though. It’s the strangest trend I’ve ever seen in the automotive industry… every single major company has had issues this year.

Jamaica Dude is probably has a lot to due with consumer excepting more from their vehicles, and no longer just accepting such petty issues. Which I must say is a good thing.

Maybe the companies are doing some damage control, offering a repair the customer will forget about if the car turns out to be a good one. The toyota floor-mat recall, I think is a CYA move ordered by lawyers. I’m not sure I buy the “plaintiffs’” suggestions.

LP640 – No………Toyoda still has many more recalls than GM.

This is pretty bad though. Fortunately , it only involves the old models like the CTS introduced in 2003 and others like the SRX and STS which have all been replaced, or are about to be replaced very soon. The Solstice/Sky is kind of the really bad part of this recall, since those models are new, but I bet the Soltice/Skys affected are less than ~25,000

Turkey: An accident and an injury (NB: “at least”). “Damage control” … “offering a repair the customer will forget about if the turns out to be a good one.” My ass. And why in the world do you feel the need to keep bringing up Toyota? That’s what YOU think. *I* think you’re probably being paid to spout off conspiracy theories and hate messages about Toyota. I kid, of course, but I know I’m not the only one on here that shares these same “sentiments.”

I will take a possible fluid leak over Toyota’s problems any day. By the way 1115, I keep buying GM and have never regreted it, but thanks for the concern.

jjt did you piss in my ear when Acura was recalled? You did you mother lover (in a good sense after all you have 4 kids). I will not do that to you . I’ll be above that bull****.

This would hardly deter me from buying one of the General’s products. At least GM doesn’t blame their suppliers. I think it’s called integrity.

I’m curious what percentage of customers who receive recall notices actually take the time to get the repair.

I’m going to sue GM on behalf of the American public for making unsafe unreliable vehicles and putting every Americans life in danger

‘1115′, you import monkey … the CTS owns all Hondas … keep orally satisfying my kolbassa-like appendage … ohhhhhhhhhh yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

What saved GM is that this only affects the old CTS. If the new one is also on the list, that’s pretty bad press for GM. All in all, this is old news since everyone does recalls nowadays. It’s not even news to us, only to those who own the vehicles.

“its no surprise that they have recalls unlike honda and Toyota” – 1115

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!WHOOHOOHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!

I’m going to sue GM on behalf of the American public for making unsafe unreliable vehicles and putting every Americans life in danger
Comment by tripleonefive, posted on December21 at 9:41 pm

LMAO tripleone are you insane ???????????????????????

Veda is 200% correct. You look at what the recall actually is about — old cars — unlike 1115 who sees the words “GM” and “recall” near each other and automatically activates his pre-recorded message of “GM makes the worst cars and they kill Americans (since when do you care about Americans? You call them stupid rednecks 1/2 the time) and Toyonda is absolutely flawless and makes superior cars that are never recalled……………”

Reminder: Toyota and Honda have recalled more cars than GM this year.
Another reminder: My CTS is not affected. The CTS that matters, the one that is sold at Cadillac dealers RIGHT NOW is not affected.

I’d still get a used CTS.

Typical Commo trying to separate the OLD from the New even though they are still on the Cadillac lot and are 2007 models lol
I love it
If you were smart you would choose the proven Harvard grad instead of going with the high school dropout
Impulsive huh tisk tisk

GM has had more recalls over the last 20 years and its rare that Toyota and Honda have recalls even this bias website says so

Haha….Here is the local news…”GM just recall some of ther models due to the fuel leak problems…on the mean time…one of our viewers just send in a video shot by his phone about a CTS Driver on fire on the lefe lane of the net…..next is our weather…..more recall is expected from GM.”

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/99e722a3-fb79-4a58-9c78-983201886021.htm,
DO YOU MEAN THIS ONE ELVIO?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxDweFsY4S4&feature=related,

LOL, 11:15 must be sitting in a puddle of his own drool by now. I was wondering where he’d gone, maybe he couldn’t get out of the straight jacket. Same old tired BS argument, still ain’t arguing with a fool…

1115, how’s that lawsuit coming?

Its going in effect the 1st of the year
Nice video Some kid who modified his own integra and it caught on fire. The Point ?

In a positive GM note if thats possible I was in the mall yesterday and bc GM sucks so bad they have to put their cars in malls to sell them they had two new Maliboo’s there

I must that it looks better in person and the interior was nice for a GM
Unfortunately its not better than the big two Camry and Accord but for a person who owned a Cavalier or the old Malibu its a step up

^i saw my first one in beige the other day in a wal mart parking lot, it didnt look too bad i liked the rake of the rear windows. and the video was just a smart ass link for elvio.

Malibu is not better than the “big two” Camcord? Says who? That is your opinion, but……..

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/123972/article.html

LP640: not as much as your beloved Toy Ota though. Whatcha got to say about that, huh?!?

Opinion or not the Malibu is not as reliable as the Camry and Accord
Bottom line

Your guess that the Malibu will or will not be reliable is as good as anyone else’s. I personally think that it will be reliable, judging from the rest of GM’s “new” products which have had little or minor recalls (the Solstice/Sky recalls are the first real recalls for GM’s “new” products). Lambdas have been good, GMT-900s have been good, Aura (related to the Malibu) has been good, so I am not worried. Besides, the Malibu would have to get recalled A LOT to be as bad quality-wise as the Camry. This is how it is so far:

Accord: Brand new model, time will tell if its more or less reliable than previous Accords.
Malibu: Brand new model, time will tell if its more or less reliable than previous Malibus.
Camry: More than 1 year old, already has had many problems, proved unreliable.
Aura: More than 1 year old, has had no major problems at all, so far so good.

That is how it stands in the segment. From the link I posted, most people hated the Camry’s styling and driving dynamics so not only is it problematic, but it is also boring so you can pretty much throw the Camry out of the running for “the best”. I predict that once the Camry’s problems become known to the public, more people will actually look at and consider other cars in the segment rather than mindlessly going to Toy and buying their crap. Of course, if the media keeps ignoring Toyodas quality problems, most of the public will still think that Toys are the superior cars like you do. If people do start realizing Toyoda quality is no better than anyone else’s, then the Camry might eventually drop out of the #1 spot in sales.

Saturn needs to build up its image and build up the Aura’s recognition. Car of the Year award helped, but it will take several more generations of the Aura before it is regarded as a serious competitor in the segment.

So it’s pretty much between the Accord and Malibu, like the people in that article said. Unfortunately, the Malibu has its work cut out for it, because as good as the new one is, it still has to overcome the negative perception of its predecessors. That is, if the Malibu wants to have a chance with the many idiotic consumers like yourself who are completely immersed in the belief that Jap cars are somehow superior. In reality, the Accord and Malibu are pretty evenly matched and neither car is significantly better than the other.

Accord: Brand new model, Accord is a solid performer and Proven reliable and this Accord will be no different
Malibu: Brand new model, UNRELIABLE AS HELL just like the previous Malibus. Until it proves itself its another GM POS
Camry: More than 1 year old, already has had a few minor issues so you say but its rep is not tarnished by one bad year and its a PROVEN RELIABLE performer and that wont change It would have to be a problematic car for more than 10 years with each model for that to happen Nice try though
Lambda got recalled .
Aura: More than 1 year old, has to prove itself and have a high resale and maybe it can be spoken in the same breath as Accord and Camry.Had no major problems at all, but its a GM and it will.
The link you posted only proved that the Accord was better than the Malibu and that people are bashing the hell out of the Camry. Its Toyotas time to feel the hate for their success and I understand how americans feel about superior Japanese cars beating the living hell out of American cars so its to be expected.
The Camry is still the wiser choice over the Malibu It is a proven car that has had few problems and the so called issue this one is having really doesn’t matter as no import owner is going to switch over that fast to buy an Aura or Malibu

So it’s pretty much still between the Accord and the Camry. The Malibu is a lesser car that has to work its way up the ranks. Its competition is the Aura the Fusion and the Sebring. It also has the Mazda 6 and the Sonata to deal with before its has a shot at the big boys..
Fortunately for Gm, the Malibu is better than its predecessor but its still just a GM and has a way to go to be considered. The thing is every consumer isnt a patriotic idoit like yourself and they dont beleive the hype behind this car. Unfortunetely this car has to prove its worth and in ten years with a solid record it may be a serious contender
Its sad that idiotic consumers like yourself are swayed so easily with advertising about a “New” GM and are so blinded by wanting america to suceed that they are delusional and have actually convinced themselves that GM has changed
In reality, the Accord and Camry are proven vehicles while the Malibu and Aura arehave to stand the test of time. The Accord will topple the Camry for the #1 spot in my opinion and the Malibu will probably beat out the other american offerings but will be no serious threat to the kings of the road. The Accord and Camryu are better than anything that GM has to offer in the same class
Live with it

Malibu OWNZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Let’s face it, most car companies run into some recalls now and again. Some all the time (Volkswagen), some cover them up (Mitsubishi), some rarely (Honda), some on the rise (Toyota). GM seems like they’re somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. A failsafe automobile seems unrealistic and with modern mass production, if one car has a problem during assembly, they all do…. You know, I was going to try to explain how GM actually has improved, and actually is becoming a legitimate, feared automaker. But, it doesn’t seem worth it.

it doesnt seem worth it bc its not true GM is better than the other domestis right now but to say they are in the same league as the Japanese is ridiculous
Its nice to hope and pray they are but in reality they arent there yet and GM wont be there for at least another 10 years

I’m guessing when hateful83 meant “it doesn’t seem worth it” they meant your not worth arguing with, because your intelligence most post a negative IQ.

“Accord is a solid performer and Proven reliable and this Accord will be no different”

Nope, try again! The Accord has had it’s share of problems, let alone the hybrid version was a failure.

“Camry: More than 1 year old, already has had a few minor issues so you say but its rep is not tarnished by one bad year and its a PROVEN RELIABLE performer and that wont change It would have to be a problematic car for more than 10 years with each model for that to happen Nice try though”

The last Camry also had some problems. The current Camry Toyota has called a shame, not because of a few minor issues. Why would Toyota admit that the Camry’s V-6 was defective, but not recall it? Let alone why would they take the V-6 off the Australian market, but leave it alone in ours? And once again it’s ALREADY had a very bumpy road. I have yet to see one person put the Camry ahead of the new Accord or the new Malibu in a comparison test.

It only takes one generation to destroy the reputation that past generations have had. The same goes for the Malibu. Almost every review I’ve read DOES put the Malibu ahead of the Camry and Accord. And whether or not you want to believe this, the last generation Malibu was very good.
Let alone the Malibu has had a better track record than the Camry.

“Aura: More than 1 year old, has to prove itself and have a high resale and maybe it can be spoken in the same breath as Accord and Camry.Had no major problems at all, but its a GM and it will.”

Well, I’ll never have you tell my fortune…

Malibu RULEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Therein lies your problem 1115. You have two brand new cars – the Malibu and Accord – and you basically said that both have to prove themselves. I can agreed with that. But you are such a biased **** that you assume the Accord will be perfect because its Jap while the Malibu will burn because its American. That fails all logic for two reasons: Everyone EXPECTED this new Camry to be reliable because of past Camries. However, it was an all new car, and after some time went by, the Camry turned out to be a very unreliable, in addition to being a very boring car. So it isn’t logical to assume that the Accord will be reliable just because previous Accords have been because LOOK WHAT HAPPENED with the Camry. Second, it IS logical to assume that the new Malibu will be reliable because it is structurally related to the Aura, a car which has had no problems. Now, if you were fair like I like to think I am, you would just sit back and accept the fact that Japanese cars are not holy, and that the Accord must stand the same “test of time” as the Malibu. So give them both a clean slate and let’s see what happens! Don’t praise the Cord and trash the Bu when neither has been out for even a year.
And you did nothing to disprove my statement about the Camry being unreliable so it still stands (look at jayjc08’s post about that). Now the review I posted showed that regular everyday people chose the Malibu and Accord over the Camry. In fact, most hated the Camry. It’s also interesting to point out that the Accord was favored by a 65 year old while the Malibu was favored by a 28 year old. Now, I don’t know about you, but I really like those demographics for GM’s future.
Also, I wasn’t swayed by GM’s ads or something to defend GM. In fact, GM’s ads are some of the worst ones around. They need to learn from Hyundai and Toyota – they know how to sell their ****.
O, and you say that the Camry has to stand the 10-year test of time or something. From the transmission, engine, and all other problems with it already, I don’t think we need to wait for the other 9 years. And what about for consumers like me that are NOT in the used car market (that excludes you)? Am I supposed to mindlessly buy a Camry because there are 9 more years left until we know for sure that it is unreliable? Lol, I think I already know that it is.

Faulty axle seal??? Ask any mechanic. Do seals fail or do shafts have defects that make seals fail? They are only putting a bandage on the problem.

So 1115, what is the source of your info for calling the last gen Malibu “UNRELIABLE AS HELL”??? Even the import humpers at Consumer Reports gave it an average predicted reliability. The difference between much worse than average and much better than average is like splitting toothpicks, so in reality an average repair history is saying that it has been pretty damn good. I will be waiting.

Malibu kicks AZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

What kind of people get hard ons for Accords or Camry’s? I really don’t understand it at all. I had the misfortune to rent aCamry recently and I was eager to see what all the fuss was about. I was absolutley shocked to find it was very cheap and grey inside. It certainly did not have the quality feel of any Euro car or even the latest American models from GM. It felt nasty…I just do not understand why people buy these cars in droves…

Rover – because Toyonda has a false reputation of quality while the domestics have a bad rep. This, of course, all stems from the past (especially the 80s and 90s). Also, magazines continue to hail Toyondas as having the best quality and reliability When people read biased publications like Consumer Reports or something, they get two things out of it: “Japanese is good” and “American is bad”.Then they just go, armed with this “knowledge”, to their Toyonda dealership where the salesmen sell them the same BS and a few hours later they are in a Camry or Tundra. It’s only recently that some of these publications started being fair to all automakers (for example, CR pulled the Camry off their recommended list instead of continuing to automatically put every Toyoda on there). Until the domestics overcome their bad rep, and the public becomes educated about all the problems and recalls from Japan, people will continue to buy these cars without even considering what else is out there that is not from Japan.

Lol the Malibu has a better track record than the Camry?
Please show me some shred of evidence by resale build quality or anything of fact that backs up that silly ass statement.
Most magazines put the Malibu over the Accord and Camry? Please, Also what’s up with the comparison in the showroom Oh wait Gm uses sites like this to market the crap they sell. You have to learn not to say such stupid stmts
The test you showed had one old man who preferred the accord and a 28 year old with the Malibu? You seriously think that is a representation of the sales lol. You really can be swayed. I cant wait until the Chinese get here They can convince you of anything and the best part is they don’t have to use fact they just have to say it and you will buy it The “new ” Chinese car lol and you will eat it up
A reputation is earned by making a reliable product therefore it cant be false
The Japanese resale is higher and that is a fact that shows better build quality and reliability
You sure loved CR when they jumped on the Camry hating bandwagon, then and only then were they reliable and that is why you have no credibility
When the Malibu works its way through the Galant the Fusion the Sonata then it can think about challenging the Camry and soon to be #1 Accord
You are wrong the Accord has already proven itself and the Malibu hasn’t. The Accord is structurally related to previous accords lol
The Aura isn’t reliable BC its new and hasn’t been around long enough to stand the test of time. The Accord has stood the test and that’s why its resale is through the roof and the Gm is not
The Malibu’s previous incarnations have issues and poor build quality and the new one is the same BC that’s how GM rolls
I will agree that GM has done a better job in the new one but every car company makes the new model better so I’m not impressed
Your logic is screwed up and with your logic anyone can make a car and say it’s just as reliable as a proven car without having evidence to support it
Most Americans can’t be fooled that easily. The new Malibu and Aura are not proven and will have to wait at the back of the line
Accord & Camry Proven
Malibu & Aura- don’t even matter in 10 years maybe but not now and not anytime soon

1115, I ahve been reading this website for some time and i have never read comments from someone who is such a blind follower of Toyota and Honda. You really have no credibility here because you have shown that you will trash the domestics whatever they do and that you will praise the Japanese with whatever they do too. You are simply not objective.

What I don’t understand is why? What kind of person with any passion or imagination bigs up Camry’s and Accords? Why are you so excited about these appliances? At least you can see that there is some passion and thought and determination to make good and exciting cars with thr Malibu and Aura. And by the way, you are wrong in regards to the Aura and its quality and reliabilty. It is based on Europes Opel Vectra so it has already been designed around proven mechanicals. The Malibu may have been ****ty in previous incarnatiins but I don’t think anyone could deny the jump it has made with this generation, it is up there with European cars let alone Japanese. Is it so really hard to believe?

I seriously don’t understand why you post here, maybe you’re just a troll I don’t know. But honestly, you’re just a bit weird, no offense.

Woooow 1115 you never seize to amaze me. I thought I was the big patriot around here, the one who wants to “convince you to buy American” just because its American. And now you are saying that I would be all over the Chinese when they get here? Haha, I hate the Chinese! Their cars suck and I would not consider one until they pass such simple things as a safety test and until they stop plagiarizing designs from other automakers and make something original that looks decent. The Chinese are gonna use the same strategy the Japs used and now the Koreans are using – use Asia’s devalued currencies to price their cars 1000s less than the competition and hope people buy them because they are so cheap. It isn’t going to work on me, and what am I possible going to trade in my CTS for that comes from China? A Brilliance? Lol!

And yes, I think the old guy liking the Accord and the young girl liking the Bu is a representation of future sales. Because those are actual CONSUMERS, not editors. So it gives us a snap shot of the sales demographic for the Camcord – their average customer age is about 55 I believe. And it isn’t just the consumer comparison I posted that rates the Camry poorly. In addition to Edmunds, Car & Driver, Motor Trend, Autoweek, and even Consumer Reports hates the Camry poorly compared to GM cars like the Aura and Malibu.

Again, you start talking about resale because you cannot win the reliability argument. I HAVE ALREADY PROVEN TO YOU THAT THE CORVETTE HAS THE BEST RESALE AND VW HAS THE BEST OVERALL BRAND RESALE!!

I mentioned CR because they are a perfect example of a biased publication that turned on the Camry. It would be like if I got rid of my CTS and got a Lexus instead. That would be a huge blow to my case because I am one of GM’s main defenders and if I got a Lexus that would say that “even a GM faithful thinks that Lexus is better”. Same with CR – even a magazine that has been praising imports for years has admitted that the Camry SUCKS. Get it now? I have explained this before, I don’t know why you bring it up again…

The Camry was “structurally related” to previous Camries and the new one SUCKS. So what’s you point with the Accord? The new Accord has not proved itself??? What’s your evidence that it has?

“The Aura isn’t reliable BC its new and hasn’t been around long enough to stand the test of time.” – Oh and the Accord is exempt from “the test of time”?? This new Accord is just as new as the Aura was 1 year ago. And weren’t you saying that the Aura is basically a Vectra? Yes it is (Vectra and Aura are “structurally related ), so it has just as much positive history as the Accord. Gotta keep your bull**** straight 1115.

The fact is, the Aura has gone a year with no major problems. In contrast, the “proven” Camry has had engine problems, transmission issues, and has even been downgraded by CR; one of the biggest import-humpers out there. This new Camry sucks, I already see that, and I don’t need to wait 9 more years to believe that, its already a fact. As for the Accord and Malibu – I am willing to take a chance on either reliability-wise. Accord has had that “good history” (hopefully it won’t end up like the Camry) and the Malibu has a relative (the Aura) that has been perfect so far. If I was a midsize car-shopper, I’d give both the Malibu and Accord a look, but not the Camry.

you would also hire the high school dropout over a Harvard grad so your opinion is worthless
The Accord is the proven winner and the malibu just like in its previous incarnations is a loser and will continue to be
” GM has been criticized because of their failure to aid owners in paying for costly repair of their Malibus. GM, to date, has offered no recall”
This is how GM treats its customers
GM CONSUMER BEWARE
If GM can convince you that the Maliu is better than a proven Camry or equal to a proven Accord then you can be convinced of anything

Frankly, I’m amazed so many people want this type of car still no matter what the brand. A bog standard 4 door sedan..I’m more of a Hatch, Coupe person myself, but its all personal taste I get. However, when I have owned 4 doors in the past, I have always had something with a bit of life about it. Rovers, Alfa’s, Audi’s. Most cars nowadays are getting as reliable as each other, so that only leaves 2 things to differentiate from – Brand and design.

The previous Euro Accord was a sharp looking car..but they seemed to have played it very safe with the new model. The Camry is now what it always was, the frumpy, dowdy one of the class..except now it has a camel toe grille. Seriously, do you really want a Toyota that much that you would drive this anyone? Even Hyundai seem to have more relevance these days simply because they are as souless as Toyota but at least they are cheaper.

1115, in what way is the Camry better than the all new Malibu? You really haven’t explained? Because I ahve driven both of these cars and I can say without a doubt, the Malibu gets more things right than the Camry.

First of all there is the styling..for me the Malibu is the winner, but that is a personal thing. If you are talking about reliability, then I’m not sure how you can say one is better than the other. I would have no fears about buying a Malibu for that reason. Then and this is the real winner, there is interior design and quality of materials. There is a more Euro feel inside of the Malibu and I like the stylish facia. The Camry is a sea of cheap, low grade grey plastic with a very nasty to hold steering wheel. The same bland instruments you get in any Toyota.

Then there is the driving experience. Malibu beats it hands down and if you actually like to drive, theer is no question it is the better car. There is a place for the camry as the sales figures have shown, but I would personally feel I had given up on life and living by choosing one. I could never let that be.

1115, still waiting for your source that proves the old Malibu was “UNRELIABLE AS HELL” and thus not proven. Just because you can’t accept the reality that the new Malibu is beating Japan at it’s own game does not make it any less of a fact. I know you don’t want to leave the comfort of your Japanese fantasy land, but at least try opening your rose colored blinds once in awhile!

First
I don’t have to answer to newbies but ill make an exception for you
I’m on the side of the more reliable better-built car with higher resale value to prove it
When comparing the Japanese to the Americans the Japanese come out on top
The problem is with people like Commo MHW JJT and apparently you. People like you are willing to consider a lesser car even though it’s proven inferior just bc you want Americans to keep ther jobs
The fact that the America cant build a better car than the Japanese and it eats them up every time I mention the facts
The problem lies with Gm Ford and Chrysler. They were the big 3 back in the 80’s and yet they couldn’t build a better car than smaller Japanese companies with fewer resources. Money was squandered and CEO’s got paid too much money while American drivers suffered. Until people boycott the American car companies they will not build a better car.
I’m proud to be an American but just bc I’m proud doesn’t mean that I blindly buy American . I cant be convinced that they are trying to build a better car when they have not a shred of proof to back it up
When the American car companies prove they have a quality product then the American public may consider them equal to the Japanese competition
Commo hates all Asians and that is why he buys American
With his logic the Chinese cars are equal to proven cars when they enter the US
The Accord and the Camry earned their reps and one model wont ruin it and the Malibu wont change anyones minds about GM
Did anyone in that study trade in their superior Japanese car for a Malibu or did any of them buy a Malibu after the study ???
Then it doesn’t matter !
MHW go to KBB and see for yourself

How is the Malibu beating Japan? Is it worth more than a Camry or Accord? Is it selling more than the Camry or Accord To Date I have seen two on the road
Please show me where the Malibu has a better quality rating or is worth more than the Japanese. You import hater s are jumping the gun The Malibu has proven nothing and wont for another 10 years
Driving better?
That’s subjective because I drove an Aura and it drove like it had a ton of bricks in the trunk It was horrid! If euro cars drive like that I wont be driving one anytime soon
BMWs have a heavy tank feel but they feel solid and go-fast. The Aura just felt heavy
The Cheap plastics? What would you know about cheap Oh wait if you drive American you do. The Japanese plastics and interiors have better quality, which is one factor in their higher resale

Rover – indeed. The Camry is basically an appliance. The only people who buy them are the ones who don’t care whatsoever about cars, those who just need a car to get from A to B. And of course, the people who buy these appliances usually eat up all the BS about Toyodas being reliable.

1115 – “You would also hire the high school dropout over a Harvard grad so your opinion is worthless”????? I still don’t know what that means. What does it have to do with anything that we are talking about?? And when you quote something, give a link to the source so that I can read the quote myself and make sure that it is reliable source. Also, please cite your sources for why the Camry is “proven” reliable. I have cited mine (both reviews and recalls) that show that the Camry is not a very good car. You can’t just keep saying the Camry is proven, when in fact it has been very unreliable. And since my sources are better than yours (you don’t have any) I win that argument. By the way, I am saying I win the argument because I want us to move on. You can sit there like a 7 year old keep saying “nuh uh” and that the Camry is proven w/out any proof of that, but I don’t have time for that.

Well actually 1115, unlike you I have absolutley no allegience to any brand and thus I am in a great position to judge and pick cars purtely based on their own abilities and features and not becuase they are made by a particular make.

But I ask you, you seem to think that only reliability is what makes a good car. You never factor in Design, space, interior function and features, economy, performance and handling, safety or quality of materials and construction. If basic reliability is all you want in a car, there is nothing wrong with that, but why not just buy a Kia then? Its your bizarre and frankly weird pedastel that you put Toyota on which I find very disturbing.

Whats also just strange is your absolute refusal to admit that the American car companies are now building good cars. GM in particular has been knocking out home run after home run. You are honestly trying to tell me that Sky, Aura, CTS Enclave, the trucks and basically every single Opel are not at least class competitive? Even Ford is doing some interesting vehicles with the Edge and the new Lincolns. Only Chrysler seems to be behind simply through appalling interior material choice. I feel sorry for you to be so closed minded and to seem content with something so average.

I am all for the best car and increased competition, but the Camry is not the God you seem to think it is. Its basically a humdrum, muiddle of the road sedan. Notice that the Camry is NOWHERE in Europe. Toyota don’t even bother selling it in the UK becuase they know the British will not buy soemthing as drab as a middle sized Toyota which cannot compete with ANY Euro brand..let alone the premium ones. Europeans don’t want this car becuase they want passion, excitement and prestige and this is something that the Camry emphatically cannot deliver.

I have worked for several car companies and I see how cars are designed and built so i don’t go by what the media says or corporate bull**** unlike you.Life is there to be lived and enjoyed and to settle for this invisible appliance is beyond my understanding.

Commo
Quit playing stupid and check KBB you will see where the Camry has a higher resale than its American so called “competition” Proof is there

Also don’t act like you don’t remember my analogy form last month
The Malibu is the unproven high school drop out and the Accord is the Harvard grad that has proved himself
You said that you would take the chance on the dropout

There is no evidence of the American car companies building a long lasting reliable car When or If there is then I will be able to admit it In 10 years the current Malibu will be a proven reliable or unreliable (most likely) The only solid factors of a car being reliable are its build quality reliability and resale Other factors are subjective and have no fact to back them up If you worked at car companies you should know this. I question you now
I never said that they weren’t building great looking cars I praised the Malibu’s looks the other day and I love the Lambdas looks and my fav is the MKX Are they reliable and dependable Nope On the other hand the new Accord is great looking and reliable and dependable

As far as Hyundai I think they are on their way to being the next Toyota but they are unproven as of yet I trust them more than GM BC they put a warranty on their cars and they are a smaller company

I never said the Camry is god and I like the Accord better anyway. I drive neither. They are the best in class and that is why they are great sellers. Toyota is experiencing some back last bc they are #1 or going for #1 and American are sick of getting there asses kicked GM has cleverly blamed the Japanese for the loss of American jobs when they need to blame themselves for making and inferior product
Smart Americans know which car is superior and it’s the Japanese cars. That’s it! I will not buy American until they PROVE that they are worthy of my money

Well I don’t know what else to tell you, you obviously have your mind made up. Why bother even to read this website, it features other cars that you plainly have no interest in. Maybe just stick to Toyotas official website where you can basque in its saintly glow.

I notice you completly steamrollered my comments about what else you look for in a car. I will assume “perceieved” reliabilty is all that interests you and you have zero interest in how a car drives or how well it stacks up in an accident. I am just bewiledered by this staunch support and love for soemthing that is so so average.

Have you ever driven an Alfa Romeo or a BMW? Have you ever had a spin in an MX-5 or looked at the diversity of cars out there? There is a world that exists beyond The Camry and Accord. Awaken from your automotive euthanasia and reallise that there are other options…better options.

You know I once had a Citroen, which was appallingly made. It broke down occassionaly and had some very strange quirks, but I loved it so. Why? because there was passion behind it. It was unusual, it was elegant, it was special. I mourned it when I had to sell it. Nowadays, Citroen will offer you a car that is as clockwork as any Honda, yet they will also offer you design, brilliant diesel angines and top of the class safety. My message to you is that people change and so do car companies.

GM know they have made some horrors in the past but they also know that they cannot afford to do that again. Every new car has to be a home run. There is great momentum there. Expand your horizons 115, you’ll see that you can have more than “reliabilty” in your mode of trnasport. If I waited to see what consumer reports would say or held back for several years to see how a car fares out in the market place, then I’d never buy anything. I’d be stuck in permanent stasis always worrying and waiting. LIVE for godsakes man!

It’s clear at this point that you can’t come up with a source to backup your statement that the old Malibu was “UNRELIABLE AS HELL”, let alone preaching about the new one. In fact I just went to your beloved KBB and the first thing that I noticed was that they were gushing about the new Malibu, direct from KBB- ( Malibu Wins KBB Best Redesigned Award )
KBB has named the Chevrolet Malibu winner of the “2008 Best Redesigned Vehicle” award from a field of 30 contenders. The re-engineered vehicle takes the mid-size car category to a new level of refinement. Its stylish sheetmetal, attractive interior and well-sorted handling combine to produce a value equation that set it apart. “The Malibu solidified its case for the award with a remake that’s nothing less than game-changing,” said Jack R. Nerad, executive editorial director for Kelley Blue Book. “The new Malibu has earned its place at the top of one of the most competitive categories in the industry.”

You will soon learn Rover3500 that you can teach a common house dog to take out the garbage and mow the lawn easier than you can reason with 1115. Since he wants to live in dream land maybe we should start calling him Alice!

Well Best redesigned award wow Compared to the previous Malibus thats a great accomplishment lol
Who cares
Lets see Is its resale value higher than the Camry or Accord ? Thats game changing A fresh design on a slacker of a car isnt big news If it didnt suck so bad in the first place then it wouldn’t matter oh wait it doesn’t matter anyway
Check out the 1997-current Malibu they are unreliable and have had tons of recalls and GM had to be forced to recall them bc GM has a history of ignoring problems in their cars

Honda and Toyota’s drive great and I have seen plenty of modified Camrys Civics Corollas and Accords. They are safe as well and they drive great
Ive never driven a Citroen but why would I when I can drive a Japanese vehicle ?

Well thats fine then 1115. At least you’re happy, but maybe you should venture out of your little shell once in a while and discover the female version of the human species, they might open your mind too. Although I wish them the best of luck.

Nice attempt at an insult You keep driving cars that females drive Im sure the Mary K CTS tops your list

Not really an insult..more an observation. you come across as someone that is very naive and frankly a bit bizzare. I will assume you are a guy as you seem to think driving a car that women would like is a bad thing. But you’re obviously someone who finds social interaction a struggle. Thats why I would suggest you get out more and explore a bit. There is a world beyond the Toyota Camry oddly enough. Anyways, merry christmas.

It won against 30 other competitors including the new Accord, so yes that is a great accomplishment. In case it didn’t sink in the first time KBB said the new Malibu takes the mid-size car category to a new level of refinement. They didn’t simply say it was competative, they said a new level, aka class leading! They also said the new Malibu had earned it’s place at the top of one of the most competitive car categories in the industry. Notice they didn’t say if the Malibu proves itself in 10 years then we will call it competitive, they said it’s already at the top. What I find funny is that these are the words right from your favorite source! What a tool!

What’s the Malibu’s resale compared to the Accord and Camry????
Best redesigned? Great accomplishment (look up sarcasm) Compared to the previous heaps it is a good design but only when compared to the Malibu
Class leaders have high resales and the Malibu doesn’t. The Malibu is unproven and GM cant be trusted to build a reliable car

When it stand the test of time the guy from KBB can put the resale up there with the class leading Camry and Accord Now its just a competitor to the Fusion and Sebring

Tool? What are you 12 ??

ALL of you people really have your panties in a bind when to it comes to either GM or Toyota.

1115: Same old tired argument, which has been mercilessly picked apart in countless other threads. Just a troll looking to make inflamitory remarks and start a crap war.

People, please ignore him – he’s a fool. Even the newbies recognize this, apparently!

Malibu bitch slaps ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

1. First of all that is a really dumb analogy. Second its completely wrong. If you are going to compare the Bu and Cord to graduate students, give them some time to reach that stage. As of right now, the Bu and Cord are in their infancy. Neither has reached high school or college.
2. The new Accord has not “proven” its reliability, just because you allege that previous Accords have been reliable, does not prove that the new one is. Even if older Accords were very reliable, that only gives the ‘08 Accord a good chance of being reliable, but does not prove that it will be. Same with the Malibu, only time will conclusively prove weather its reliable or not. So far we have a great interior and exterior design in the Bu, great materials used, good fit and finish, good fuel economy, and all those other things Rover talked about. That is enough to convince me to consider it.
3. Also, GM does offer a 5 yr/100,000 mile warranty (better than what Toyonda offer) which tells me that they stand behind their product. And since I am fortunate enough to never have to keep a car for more than 3-4 years, I am confident that the Malibu will hold up that long with no problems. After all, even my friend’s Fords (03 F-150, 05 Mustang, and a 07 Fusion) are great. But aside from testimonials, the warranty is enough for me to trust the brand new Malibu.
4. The Malibu resale is not yet available. It can be PREDICTED, but as of right now there is no solid resale value provided for, say, 3 years from now. However, I can guarantee that if you bought a Malibu today, and sold it tomorrow you would get most of your money back because the Malibu is in high demand (of course, you would be an idiot to do that since you lose a lot when you drive it off the lot).

Injunraiv – you are so right. It’s just hard to ignore SUCH a fool. It’s almost fun to do this with him.

o and 5. I too feel sorry for you to be so closed minded and to seem content with something so average.

Why does this how to fall to a level of personal insults? Really people, grow up already.

I”ll be the first to say “MERRY CHRISTMAS” bitches and HAPPY NEW YEAR, you guys be safe so we can talk more **** in ‘08

and **** gm inside news too

You wont be safe if you are driving a GM thats for sure

1.First of all that is a really dumb analogy. Second it’s completely wrong. If you are going to compare the Bu and Cord to graduate students, give them some time to reach that stage. As of right now, the Bu and Cord are in their infancy. Neither has reached high school or college.

It’s a great analogy that stops you right in your tracks and you have to scramble to work around it. You still cant counter it and you still would pick the high school dropout (Malibu or Aura) over the proven Harvard grad (Accord or Camry) No, the Accord has been around steadily since 1976 and has proven with model after model that is a solid performer and reliable. Its build quality is excellent and it resale is a reflection of that The Bu has been on and off for 20 years and the last 2 models where the perfect example of a GM midsize car Rental fleet worthy that’s it. Your beloved American trucks (that I don’t give a **** about) were beat by a Toyota How does that feel ??? Ooh that’s got to hurt

2.The new Accord has not “proven” its reliability, just because you allege that previous Accords have been reliable, does not prove that the new one is. Even if older Accords were very reliable, that only gives the ‘08 Accord a good chance of being reliable, but does not prove that it will be. Same with the Malibu, only time will conclusively prove weather it’s reliable or not. So far we have a great interior and exterior design in the Bu, great materials used good fit and finish, good fuel economy, and all those other things Rover talked about. That is enough to convince me to consider it.

The new Accord has a track record, something you seem to ignore greatly. 20 years makes a rep and one model doesn’t break it. That goes for the Malibu and the Camry. You must have a job where you don’t have to prove yourself to get ahead, everyone just assumes that you will and give you a promotion based on presumed work lol. The Accords interior always has an excellent fit and finish and it’s more upscale this year inside and out. The Malibu’s last 2 incarnations were unreliable shoddy cars with poor build quality. Since you said yourself that the Malibu hasn’t had time to prove itself then how can you say it’s reliable or in the same league as the proven Accord??? “Only time will conclusively prove weather its reliable or not”?. Time has told that the Accord and Camry are the benchmarks in the class and every car the Americans threw at them has been discontinued or at the bottom of the list . The Malibu has an interior that the Japanese used 12 years ago. While Malibu is an improvement over the last two it is still unreliable just as its predecessors until proven otherwise. Until proven American should buy the Accord Camry and if they like American cars or cant afford the superior cars then go with the Malibu

3. Also, GM does offer a 5 yr/100,000 mile warranty (better than what Toyonda offer) which tells me that they stand behind their product. And since I am fortunate enough to never have to keep a car for more than 3-4 years, I am confident that the Malibu will hold up that long with no problems. After all, even my friend’s Fords (03 F-150, 05 Mustang, and a 07 Fusion) are great. But aside from testimonials, the warranty is enough for me to trust the brand new Malibu.

It’s barely enough. GM has to offer such a warranty because they can’t sell cars without it. People are accustomed to GMs breaking down and having poor build quality. If GM really cared they would have offered that warranty 20 years ago. Honda and Toyota have earned their rep and have very few problems with their cars so they don’t need a longer warranty. Honda even issued a recall bc a number was wrong in their manuals lol. For Christ sake even Hyundai has been offering a warranty for the last 20 years and they are smaller than the “Big 3”. I have switched cars every 3-4 as well and I have gotten top dollar for my cars and if I bought American I would not have been the case.

3.The Malibu resale is not yet available. It can be PREDICTED, but as of right now there is no solid resale value provided for, say, 3 years from now. However, I can guarantee that if you bought a Malibu today, and sold it tomorrow you would get most of your money back because the Malibu is in high demand (of course, you would be an idiot to do that since you lose a lot when you drive it off the lot).

Once again you can’t predict reliability from a car company known for unreliability and a car known for shoddy build quality. The Malibu has to stand the test of time! What you are doing is jumping the gun BC you want America to succeed so badly but you and anyone who buys GM before they are proven is setting themselves up for disappointment. I’ll say I saw the Malibu when I went shopping the other day and it’s nice for a GM which isn’t much. It’s not better than the Camry or Accord and I doubt it ever will be but it’s good for an American car.

The magazines are anti Toyota and even so the Accord still beats it The Bu as you call it needs to make its way up the ranks and fight its in house comp then the American comp then the Mazda Hyundai comp then it can try the big dogs. I don’t see where the Malibu is in high demand. The Accord and Camry are but I know you have to try and make an argument so Ill let it go.

I think that it is truly sad that you are so desperate Commo. You are actually talking to other idiots in this room about me. You always seem to need approval for what you say. You are trying to get people on your side all the time to solidify your bs arguments and that still doesn’t work. Must suck for you. I know the people in here don’t actually agree with you that the Accord Camry and the Malibu are on the same footing but they are mad bc I speak out against GM arrogantly and that upsets them. No one has been able to defeat my argument and they are insecure about the cars they drive lol. It’s shameful how they are such followers

Fun time is over! The Malibu is a piece of **** until proven reliable You don’t have to like it but you have to live with it

I along with many others defeat your arguments every time we post, your just too ignorant to see it. I even proved you wrong with your very own source. Please get over yourself and look at reality. You can’t even prove that the old Malibu was “unreliable as hell” in your words, just because you keep saying it doesn’t make it true. Same goes for the Camry, you keep ignoring the facts and keep pretending like it has had a perfect record. It was even shown to you how many TSB’s/recalls the lofty Accord has had using your own source, but as usual you chose to ignore it. No car is perfect, and believe it or not that even applies to the Japanese. Since you are so hung up on resale value I can virtually guarantee you that the new Malibu will enjoy higher resale values than it’s predecessor.(which itself is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.) You are right on one thing however, the new Malibu did not raise the bar to the Camry and Accords level, from the many professional and personal reviews it is now clear that the new Malibu has raised the bar above their level.

You cant prove the Malibu has a higher resale or build quality that is equal to the Camry or Accord

Oh my god you guys are the ones trying to praise the Malibu in the hopes that it will be competition for the Camry and Accord

You can virtually or really guarantee nothing Of course the Malibu will enjoy higher resale than the previosu one its newer you dolt

Never said the Japanese were perfect just superior to the American “competition” if you can call it that

The Malibu hasnt raised anything and its interior is what the Japanese were doing 12 years ago Keep dreaming

Dont feel bad bc you bought an inferior Gm and you are having buyers remorse

The current Camry may have some issues it may not but one model doesnt make or break a 20 year reliability record and it one new car has to prove it self in order to be considered in the same league
Do you read ??
BBT is on

Oh yeah, and one last note: For some reason or another, regardless of me being logged in already, it wouldn’t let me in the forum as jayjc08, which is the username most of you know me by. Oddly enough, I guess it also logged me in as frbrd07, which is my forum username, and posted under that name.

If the Malibu’s interior is what the Japanese were doing 12 years ago then they better go back in time since The Malibu scores points over the Camry and Accord for it’s interior every time it’s put up against them. Not to mention the fact that most reviews also prefer the Malibu’s exterior styling. If I had GM buyers remorse why did I replace my 02 Duramax with an 08 Duramax??? And for the record my 08 has been just as great as my 02, the only thing I had to do to my 02 in 100,000 miles was replace a simple coolant line, so in short, thanks for the concern, but no thanks!

1. I did defeat your stupid analogy… I explained to you that both cars are brand new, therefore neither has gone to school. You ignored that. Yes, the 1976 has wonderful reliability I am sure and it is a “Harvard grad”. I would love to choose it over a “high school dropout”. However, that is the 76 Cord, and I don’t drive 30 year old cars. So when the 08 Cord goes to college and proves itself, then it will have proven its reliability. As of right now, it has neither good nor bad reliability. It has a clean slate. Just like the Bu. Hopefully the Cord won’t end up like the Camry. Now, my “beloved American trucks” didn’t get beat in anything. They are selling better than the Tundra, they won the Truck of the Year, they have the best resale (the GMC does) in its segment, etc, etc. Who says they were beat? Motor Trend? Hahaha.
2. There is that double standard again. When talking about Asian autos (Hyundai), they are giving out a warranty because they stand behind their awesome products. But if its an American auto (GM) they are giving out warranties out of desperation and what not. BULLSHT! First of all, Hyundai has not even been in America for 20 years. Secondly, their first import here was a Yugo-style priced Excel that was one of the most unreliable cars ever made. It broke down all the time and Hyundai was made fun of for years (look it up). So in reality, Hyundai is offering their warranty out of desperation. Also, a warranty is a warranty. Would you take an Accord with a 3 year warranty or with a 10 year warranty (if both were the same price)? It’s really a no brainer.
3. First of all, I don’t need to want America to succeed because it already has. It is, by far, the richest, most free, most developed nation in the world. I am still puzzled that you are rooting for your own country to fail but that is a whole other argument. Anyway, the Malibu resale, which we don’t know yet, will be as good as the GMC resale (which, again, was best in class). The Accord will be pretty good too I bet (mostly because Accord sales are 9% fleet which is a lot lower than most others in the segment)
4. Malibu is in high demand. Remember that article that said 3000 out of 3500 Malibus made were sold in November (goal was 500). That is huge for a launch. Malibu will probably be just as hot as the Enclave with demand exceeding supply. And best part is, none of these sales are for rental fleets, only the Malibu Classic (old model) is sold to them. That means that the new Malibu will have significantly higher resale than the old model (and please don’t bring up the fact that fleet sales and resale value are not related – research if for yourself). And no, I don’t need approval. I never asked anyone on here to support me. Everyone has given their own opinions, independently.

MHW – no, he sees it. He just doesn’t have anything to do a lot of the time so he comes back and, as I am sure you’ve noticed, repeats the same exact thing again and again. He is very eco-friendly; recycles everything over and over every month which is why we hear about the Cimarron 3 times a week. Unfortunately, my job can be boring sometimes so…..
New Bu has definitely raised the bar. ALL reviews published praise it A LOT, and all comparison tests rate the Bu above the Camry and say that the Camry and Accord are about equal, that it is about personal preference between those two cars.

1115…again:
“You cant prove the Malibu has a higher resale or build quality that is equal to the Camry or Accord” – Yes we can and we have. But why don’t you prove that the Camcord has better “resale or build quality” than the new Bu. Afterall, you seem to be one of the only ones here that is convinced that the Bu is not a legit competitor to the Camcord. And don’t give me the “its your burden of proof” **** again. Either you can prove your claims or you can’t. We have proven ours so there is no point in restating them since we are all smart enough to know that you will continue to ignore them.
Hahaha, now you say that newer cars have better resale than the old ones. What happened to your opinion that cars and auto companies never evolve? That the GM cars from 20 years ago what a representation of GM cars today? Because if anything, you are right that the newer cars get, the more safe, fuel efficient, better built, and reliable they become. However, just because a car is new, it doesn’t mean that it has better resale. As an absolute dollar amount — maybe. But as a percent of the original value — no, there is usually not just of a percentage change between one generation of a car to the next.
Also, the Camry is not just one car. Add the Tundra, the Sequioa, and even some Lexus models (ES) to that list. It is safe to say that Toy has definitely put its so called “reliability record” in jeopardy.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: Merry Chistmas and get off this ****ing site for a while will you? I haven’t gone on for the past 8 or so hours until now, but you seem to have stayed on during most of the day. I am not gonna be doing this LLN **** much tomorrow, so I hope you find yourself something to do. As passionate as you might feel about this, just let it go for a few days. Besides, I am right and you are wrong Happy New Year too. 2009 (not 2008!!!) model year cars are coming soon.

Happy New Year and Christmas to you guys too (I don’t celebrate a winter holiday, aside for a few gifts for friends).

And yes, that includes 1115 too. I hope his New Years resolution concerns obtaining some intelligence.

Yes, the 1976 Accord model has wonderful reliability as well as every model Accord since then. When GM can make that claim then I will believe that GM is building a reliebel car. Once again trying to weasel your way around the argument

The Accord is PROVEN and the Malibu is NOT proven. It’s previous models were terrible and you can’t just give GM equal footing and neither will consumers and they shouldn’t. They should go with the proven winner instead of the loser. I seriously don’t know where you get your logic from

SO you would choose the drop out over a proven scholar. That just proves how stupid and stubborn you are. Im guessing you don’t work for a living bc if you ddi you would understand what you are saying. So I can make a car in my garage and say it’s just as reliable as the Accord and you will give it a fair shot lol. Even though I have no or a bad track record it deserves an equal shot immediately. That’s just asinine

Hyundai has been in the US since 1986 (look it up) Hyundai is still made fun of but they had a warranty even when they weren’t as reliable. In addition they are a lot smaller than GM and they offered a warranty before them. Just like Toyota and Honda had to prove themselves and just like GM has to prove themselves Hyundai has to also. I would trust Hyundai more bc they offered the warranty back then and not until the last minute like your beloved GM. GM has to offer a warranty bc people don’t and shouldn’t trust them. It’s an improvement but they are only doing it bc they have to and you know it!

Toyota and Honda have proven their respective build quality and resale over the last 20 years and counting. What has the Malibu proven? That is an unreliable rental car that’s it! Im offended that GM can call any car let alone the Malibu a “classic” Their one classic car has a roof with a mind of its own.

What GM built yesteryear isn’t what they are building today but it represents GM’s track record of unreliability and poor build quality. GM’s track record sucks. They have to PROVE that they are making new cars that can hang with the PROVEN leaders in the segment (i.e. the Accord and Camry). GM has to really prove it and I’m not talking about some presumed or predicated reliability but actual long term real world reliability. No other company gets that pass and why should GM ? If you don’t live in a world were you have to prove yourself then lucky you but the rest of us do!

How they are better built? Where is this proof when the car hasn’t even stood the test of time so people can trust the brand that has screwed millions over and over again? A car just comes out and it’s all of the sudden reliable?? Once again in what world do you live in? Seriously

It’s nice to try and convince yourself that you are right but you have no proof that the Malibu or GM has changed their ways and you wont for another 10 years so I say this in closing. I am not passionate about this you are and I’m just here to correct you when you assume that a new car from a ****ty company is all of the sudden reliable as a proven car from a great company like Toyota or Honda.

I don’t care about you or your holiday. I don’t care about your Catera Touring Sedan (which is bland ) but when you come back on here spewing bull**** I’ll be right there to let you know that you cant get away with it.

Maybe in x mas 2017 GM will get their act together

Hilarious Fry guy Does commo write your material it’s just as bad. You are a loser and I hope you drive an unsafe GM product and die this holiday

Haha, now you are making fun of my CTS? You realize that when you do that, you are undermining the Car of the Year award that Motor Trend gave the CTS and therefore you are also undermining the TOTY award they gave to the Tundra. So BOTH of those awards are out? Ok, good. I am pretty confident that the CTS will get the North American COTY Award so I am not really concerned with the Motor Trend award.

Now, I am gonna try to keep this short, starting with your dumb analogies. I have said at least three times that the Harvard grad/drop out analogy DOES NOT APPLY to the Bu and Cord because they are not there yet. Again, you may think that the Accord is proven because of its past versions but look what happened to the Camry!! And again, I cannot assume the Bu is reliable nor can you write it off as unreliable..because you want it to be? Chill out and let the Bu “prove itself” before you doom it to failure. When a car comes out, it isn’t automatically reliable but it IS NOT automatically UNreliable either. Can you understand that? ALSO, you cannot compare GM to a guy who built a car from his garage just now. GM has expertise, money, designers, engineers, etc. so that is just another one of your bad analogies.

Again, the Excel is in the same league as the Yugo as one of the biggest POS cars ever made. THAT is why Hyundai offered a warranty. And also, even GM, a smaller company than Toy, is offering a nice warranty now. Hell, even Chrysler has that lifetime powertrain warranty! I am gonna stop right there because I am just repeating old things over and over again. If you want to give me something new to talk about, start with some evidence about “the brand has screwed millions over and over again” and that sort of thing. I am dying to know where you got that.

1115, for the last time the old Malibu was not unreliable, just because you can’t accept that doesn’t change a damn thing. It recieved the same reliability rating as the 4 banger Camry from the import biased Consumer Reports. This whole 10 year thing is the biggest crock of **** you have ever come up with. GM has served me very well, and no matter how much hot air you blow off you cannot change that fact. We simply agree to disagree!

Well, now that my post is back (thank you LLN, if you had reposted it. If not, then merry Christmas anyways)

tripleonefive- You seem to casually forget my post, specifically the part about the Honda Accord.
“In just the last year, while the Malibu got a mere 3000 recalls, the Honda Accord got 90 times the recalls of the Malibu. Also, Accords least reliable years were from about 1999- 2004.”

And even the predecessor of the Honda Accord, the Honda 1300 had numerous problems, and was stuck 40 years in the past. Overheating, single carburetor, plain bearings, and a very, very primitive heating system were just a few problems that plagued it.
Also, you may complain that the Americans keep their cars around for too long, but the first and second generation cars were the exact same mechanical wise, just a new body, dashboard and seats.
And the first generation Accord was not reliable. It was very vulnerable to rust, especially suspension parts. The biggest problem with these cars were the strut towers to rust out and fail, and for undercarriage parts to rust through.
Apply what I had just said about the second generation Accord being almost the same vehicle as the first generation, and guess what? Both vehicles are considered unreliable after a few years, even more so in rust prone states like where I live. There are very few Honda Accords still existing from the 1970’s and 80’s, let alone less Honda 1300’s (once again, I used LLN forums to reference this).

Throughout it’s history, with the exception of the fourth generation, the Chevrolet Malibu has had good reliability (just as well if not better than the Accord and Camry). There’s just a small piece of proof that GM’s aren’t unreliable.

Another thing that you and I keep mistaking though is that the new Malibu rides on the same chassis as the Vectra, Cadillac BLS, Saturn Aura, Saab 9-3 (although Saab has adjusted the platform, 60% the same), and Fiat Croma (The Epsilon platform). So instead of looking at the history of the Malibu, which is also good, we should be looking at the history of the Epsilon platform, which is even better. The Opel Vectra has had very few recalls, and all across the Epsilon Platform it’s been very reliable. Overall the Epsilon Platform has won the following awards for the following cars:

Opel Vectra and Saturn Aura:
-Second best selling sedan, and eleventh best selling car in Europe, Opel Vectra
-Golden Steering Wheel Award by the German Newspaper “Bild am Sonntag”, Opel Vectra
-Estate Car of the Year 2007 for updated Opel Vectra
-North American Car of the Year award, Saturn Aura
-Canadian’s Motoring Television’s 2007 car of the year award, Saturn Aura
-Motorweek’s Driver’s Choice for best new midsize sedan, Saturn Aura
-World of Wheels’ Editor’s choice for best family sedan, Saturn Aura

Saab 9-3:
-Autocar 2007 Middle East Awards
-Top Safety Pick, Gold Award IISH
-Highest rating in the IIHS & Thatcham studies (safety tests)
-Compact Executive Car of the Year, Top Gear Magazine
-Awarded one of “10 best Cars of the Year” and awarded Best European Intermediate/middle sedan by Hong Kong Car and Driver
-Recommended by CR Magazine
-5-Star Crash Rating in EuroNCAP
-Named UK’s most secure open top car, British Insurance Car Safety Awards
-Prestigious Sporting Open Top award, The Institute of Vehicle Engineers in Great Britain.

Fiat Croma:
-5 Star Safety Pick EuroNcap
-Fiat Multi-Jet 1.3 liter diesel engine recieved Engine of the Year Award, ahead of Honda’s 1.3 liter

Pontiac G6:
-NHTSA’s TOP PICK for rollover protection
-JD Powers Awarded the [2005] G6 [Sedan] the Best Midsize Entry Car for layout and execution.
-Strategic Vision Total Quality Award for best ownership experience.
-Oregon, Michigan plant (where the G6 is produced) awarded 4th best manufacturing plant in the US.

“A car just comes out and it’s all of the sudden reliable??”

No, so why do you continue to claim that the Accord will be more reliable than the Malibu? Concerning the information I just gave, with proof and resources, it would be safe to presume that the Malibu will be just as reliable, if not more reliable than the Accord.

Hyundai hasn’t had a great warranty for very long (about 6 years as Americas best warranty), and America isn’t the only market that’s made fun of Hyundai. Your beloved Japanese counterparts have also called Hyundai a “disgrace” and “unreliable”. GM has also offered a warranty, some of the best warranties in the industry for about 15 years. So has Ford, and now Chrysler has beaten the rest with it’s industry first “full lifetime” warranty (you could call that a last minute save).

Also, I heard in a recent podcast with Bob Lutz concerning the new 5 year/100,000 mile warranty on all GM vehicles, that:

…”GM is backing this move because it can do so (financially)…”

In other words, GM’s reliability is cohesively better than Honda’s, Nissan’s or Toyota’s. GM isn’t afraid of the costs that this new, top industry warranty is going to affect it’s overall income, which we all know how well that is going. GM is confident that it’s going to sell more cars with a better warranty, and pay out less money to fix those cars. AND so far, it’s worked; GM’s taken responsibility for many of it’s past models in the last 10 years, and it’s current models with the new warranty are doing excellent.

Once again, your wrong. GM offered a warranty in America far before Hyundai did.

So, what Japanese cars are classics? Aside from maybe the Mazda Cosmos (beatiful car and amazing technology, but I suppose you consider Mazda American so that doesn’t count), Toyota Cressida (blatant Jaguar copy, so nope), Toyota 200GT maybe… Lot’s of E-type influence in there though. Seriously, tell me what Japanese cars you consider unique, and would be wanted as a classic?

The component that has failed is related to a vendor product developed by Getrag. The vehicles in question all utilize Getrag drivetrain components. Getrag manufactures for many makes and models : http://www.getrag.de/en/28
GM is responsible for part replacement with full reimbursement from Getrag during this recall. The parts have been re-engineered by Getrag and shipped to GM dealers as replacements.

Its nice of GM not to slag their relationship with Getrag and just work to get the issues fixed. A lot of Japanese manufacturers tend to pass the buck regarding which vendor is responsible and hope to wash their hands with any responsibility. Bottom line…. everyones **** stinks, just handle your recalls professionally and keep the customers happy.

What is the Accords resale? Look up all the awards that the Accord has gotten vs your pitiful JD powers awards If you havent heard JD is a pay for play.
It means nothing at all if the car isnt worth as much You can quote all the awards you want but look up the 99-04 gms and check out all their problems.
Sure no car is perfect and the reason that Honda and Toyota have higher resales is that they are better vehicles inside and out. Mechanically Toyota and Hondas last longer and have much fewer problems than GM Ford and Chrysler
If you want to point out problems then so be it but the bottom line is the Accord and Camry are benchmarks and the Malibu is unproven and will remain so for the next ten years. The first 2 Malibus are the same then they are unreliable and plagued with problems. Typical GM wont even do a major recall for the car.
Check the Accord and Camry resales vs. All the Gms you mentioned and you will see the superior vehicles are

GM offered a 100k Warranty before Hyundai ??? If Gm is better then why is the resale so low when compared ??
Please JJ or whatever your name is
You actualy think you can get on here and post and convince me that American cars (GM) is more reliable than Japanese lol
With what Strategic awards and JD powers You are wasting your time

GREAT post jjayc08

Don’t ask us what the Accord resale is, tell us what it is. It is not our job to go prove your untrue statements. And when (IF) you give us the Accord recall, it better be the new one, not a 1988 one and then hail the Accord as the best. Again, if the 99-04 GMs – SHOW US the supposed problems they have had. And after you do manage to come up with a couple, we will show you just as many for Japan during that period. “Mechanically Toyondas are better, etc” – again, prove that to us. It is not fact because you say it is. You are not the one that determines how long a car has to go to be deemed reliable. I am not interested in 10 year old cars (and I am sure the Malibu will have no probs for 10 yrs, its just that I’m not gonna wait that long to keep it). For me, 3-4 years is enough, so if the Aura is good by 2010, then it would be proven. So far, the Aura has been PERFECT so I would not hesitate to buy one based on reliability.

No one here wants to convince you of anything. You are not that important. Also, don’t focus JUST one the JD awards. The JD Awards are respected and legit. If you don’t believe that, I am not going to argue with you over them. GM still has plenty of other awards as jjayc08 pointed out so even without the JD award they would be fine.

Merry Christmas to all, and 1115, kindly prove to MHW that the old Malibu was unreliable…if you can prove it at all that is.

LOL… I said it before and I’ll say it again: All of 11:15s statements have been PROVEN untrue over and over again, yet he still parrots those same tired arguments. Dude, do you know why resales might be higher? Do you know where resale values come from? No, didn’t think so…

Merry Christmas to all and to all… GOODNIGHT!!

Alright then…

tripleonefive- Tell me, what awards has the Accord won? If you take out JD Powers, then I can’t think of many at all. Show me the proof! If your questioning my claims, then show me the hard evidence with links. Don’t mention resale, because as I’ve mentioned it’s only slightly above the Ford Fusion, and about two to three grand above Camry and Malibu.

Aside from that, I only mentioned JD Power and Associates once, for the G6. Even with the exception of JD power and Associates, or even CR which I know many of us consider biased, that only gives away 3 awards for the Epsilon Chassis.

And if you would like proof, simply go to the reference page that I gave you on LLN Forums and it’ll be obvious! The Ford Fusion has a better resale value than the Camry, and the Malibu only lags behind the Camry by about a grand! Also, show me a “classic” Camry or Accord that has sold for 20 grand plus. I can show you plenty of classic Malibu’s that have sold for thousands. You only need to venture to seriouswheels.com (also referenced) and look at what’s been offered their in their classified/ad section.

“Many design and technical problems plagued this generation of Malibus, such as intake manifold gasket leaks, fuel pump failures, air conditioning component problems, and transmission disasters. GM has been criticized because of their failure to aid owners in paying for costly repair of their Malibus. GM, to date, has offered no recall.
From Wikipedia”

I see where you get all your information from, about supposed 99-04 GM’s (that was just the Malibu article).
The two major problems the Chevrolet Malibu/ Oldsmobile version had was with the fuel system and manifold problems. The fuel system needed to be relieved of pressure, and GM offered a fix for many of the cars. Unfortunately, GM only offered aftermarket help concerning the manifold problems. Wikipedia was wrong on that one, it sounds like something you would write.

So, other than the Malibu’s six cylinder, what problems have GM’s had around that time? Don’t tell me to go “look”; I already have, and know very well what their problems were like. I just love to laugh at your stupidity when you have no clue what your talking about, and cite something that’s almost irrelevant.

But hey, Toyota no longer has the benefit of a doubt, they have a ticking time bomb! That’s right, the V-6 has “explosion problems” in the TRD Aurion (that was the model I was speaking of with V-6 problems). They took it off the market in Australia recently. Also, Toyota has slowed down sales of it’s RAV4 with a V-6 because of the same problem, and haven’t come up with a solution for the V-6 in the Camry here, which is the same as the one in the Aurion (albeit not the performance oriented TRD version, but the RAV4 was no exception obviously).
With no supplier to blame, Toyota has called upon their designers and saying it’s a “shame”. What do you have to say about that? Think of what could happen with exploding engines, and how such a disaster could pass right under Toyota’s nose.

Once again, I’ll go back to the Chevrolet Malibu…

“If you want to point out problems then so be it but the bottom line is the Accord and Camry are benchmarks and the Malibu is unproven and will remain so for the next ten years. The first 2 Malibus are the same then they are unreliable and plagued with problems.”

I will point out problems, because that’s what your basing your self righteous claims on. Don’t hide it, I’ve already shown you that Malibu hasn’t been unreliable. If you must use wikipedia like I know you do, then you may note it mentions that GM sold 12,000 Chevrolet Malibu’s, beefed up to withstand their weather. Unfortunately, the Iraqi’s cancelled the order and it’s now considered a “prestigious” vehicle in Canada. I’m done with my wiki analysis.

Also, how do you come to the conclusion the first two Malibu’s are the same? Because the only thing ANY of the Malibus have really shared is the name, the badge and the Epsilon Chassis. Not only that, they weren’t plagued with problems at all, the first few Malibu’s were actually some of the most robust and problem-free vehicles Chevrolet had in the 80’s.

Once again, prove to me that Honda’s and Toyota’s last longer. Vehicle registry’s show you totally wrong. Actually, there are more Model T’s in existence than Toyota Corona’s, and many more Volkswagen Bugs in existence from the first generations time frame then there are compared to Toyota Corolla’s of the same time frame (once again, referenced on LLN forums).

Oh yes… Did I mention that Toyota isn’t calling the RAV4 V-6 problem a “recall”, even though they’re concerned about the electrical system and possible explosions? They claim it isn’t “safety” related so it isn’t a recall.

Pity

Malibu
yet the black plastic pieces look cheap. And if you’re looking for dual-zone HVAC, Bluetooth compatibility, and keyless ignition, you won’t find them in the Malibu, as this car’s cost-conscious character means they can’t even be found on the options list.

the Malibu’s steering lacks feel, The Malibu’s six-speed automatic transmission garners some black marks from us due to its lazy part-throttle calibration, which dulls the engine’s potency. Top gear is summoned at every opportunity, and the gearbox doggedly refuses to downshift in a timely fashion. With a $27,245 as-tested price that undercuts its competition, the Malibu has a head start in our test scoring, but a relative lack of equipment and indifferent evaluation scores ultimately place it midpack

Prove to MHW WHO ? Take a look at the resale reliabilty
The Ford Fusion has a better resale value than the Camry????In what world
Wikipedia was wrong on that one, it sounds like something you would write.??? Excuse. You quoted wiki and if you think they are wrong then prove it
I’ve already shown you that Malibu hasn’t been unreliable??? Where when
Tell me, what awards has the Accord won This is your job but since I have time Ill give you a site to the new one You can look up the rest for yourself along with the KBB that shows the Accord resale being higher than its so called “american competition” You are the nerd here who seriously said that the GM are more reliable even that dolt Commo hasnt said that yet
http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-sedan/reviews.aspx
The Honda is the benchmark along with the Camry

The Malibu is cheaper and thats why it got 3rd Naturally its going to be cheaper bc they have to sell it cheaper Its clearly not the better car and belongs with the Fusion and Sebring and then maybe just maybe it can work its way up

In ten years the Malibu will have stood the test of time and if it isnt plagued with problems
and has a resale and reliability’s equal to or higher than an Accord or Camry then its an option. Unfortunately what will probably happen is the Japanese will be light years ahead of GM just like they are now. The Malibu has just gotten the wrap around interior theme that the Japanese had 12 years ago
I’m not interested in driving a ten year old car as well but thats how long GM has to last to be deemed reliable and in the same class as an Accord or Camry The Japanese did’nt earn their reps overnight and I’m not giving a pass to GM to either they have to earn it If I were to give a pass it would go to Hyundai and not Gm

Alright… let me explain this to you. The sale of the Chevrolet Malibu to the Iraqi’s something that I know isn’t false, not because Wikipedia says so, which anyone can go in and meddle with, but because it’s documented by Chevrolet and numerous online resources. In my area, you can also find them on sale. Obviously, I and many others can confirm that, but many of the issues that were listed are ones that I’ve seldom heard of.

I also showed the resale for Ford Fusion, is better, and Malibu is on par with Toyota Camry. I left you a resource on the LLN forum that I cited, I’m not going to exhaust my energy arguing on this page on silly things that aren’t opinion.

Once again, you obviously don’t know what your talking about. Sincerely the Malibu only slightly undercuts the Toyota Camry’s and Honda Accords price. And yes, the Accords won… 3 awards from America on the page you provided. The Epsilon Platform has won… 22 awards from across the globe.

Wow, wrap around interior! Man, I have to have one of those! No, I’m not going to go for the Ford Mustang’s award winning interior, or the Chevrolet Malibu’s retro inspired interior, that has been described as “revolutionary” and “game-changing, a new benchmark”, or Minis well thought out, award winning and retro inspired interior, I have to have a dashboard that:

A. Has a slight curve into it that centers into the dash. And don’t mind you, Toyota, Subaru, Lexus, Infiniti and Nissan all use the exact same design!
B. Has no cult following or aftermarket potential… nah, who needs the ricers?

If Fusion is cheap, why does it have better resale than Camry? Actually, it is cheaper in price, but that doesn’t stop it from having better resale!

And once again, if the Malibu is copying the Japanese “wrap around interior” , then the Japanese were originally copying Chevrolets interior design in the 60’s and 70’s- it’s a retro inspired interior, note that it takes inspiration from earlier models.

And no, it’s not my job to look up awards for the Accord; if you take sides with the Accord, then defend what your advertising.

tripleonefive… just never mind. When the Japanese first entered the American market, they entered with an open mind. How about you do the same? I think I’ve proved and typed more than enough to prove you wrong; Merry Christmas, I hope all is going well for you.

Where have you shown that the Fusions resale for Ford Fusion, is better, and Malibu is on par with Toyota Camry?

We live in the US not Iraq

As long as you lie I will be there to stop you You like to flat out lie

$15,861 – $23,755 2007Camry
$13,904 – $18,939 2007 Fusion
WTF are you talking about lol

No……Just read this….Not my precious Cadillac !!!!!

Tripleonefive… just to let you know, it’s not just Americans that use the internet.

I looked up a comparably equipped Honda Accord and Ford Fusion to compare. The sources I used were Automobilemag, Car and Driver and Honda’s Home Website.

2006 Honda Accord LX Sedan, 4-cyl.
Base price: $22,995
Depreciation:
Yr 1.) $5,131
Yr 2.) $3,081
Yr 3.) $2,631
Yr 4.) $2,929
Yr 5.) $2,800
Average Resale: $14,895

2006 Ford Fusion SE, 4 cyl.
Base Price: $18,995
Depreciation:
Yr 1.) $4,582
Yr 2.) $1,688
Yr 3.) $1,420
Yr 4.) $1,632
Yr 5.) $1,510
Resale: $13,685

As you can see the Ford Fusion has a higher resale compared to the Honda Accord, which was sold at four grand more. I verified sources between Car and Driver and Automobilemag to make sure they were true, or atleast similar.

Lies
Post the links
You are slippery but not that slippery
Average resale and resale ????Hmmm

and go to KBB and compare so you can complete your study lol

I keep telling you it’s pointless to argue with a fool… But it sure can be fun!

Yea you are right Inj That is why I dont argue with you

I know you are, but what am I?

tripleonefive- *average resale* for Ford Fusion. My sources were automagazine . com, you only need to look up Ford Fusion or Honda Accord, 2006. I also used CR . com to verify these claims, and they were verified there. Also, I went on Honda’s website (www. honda . com) to look up current prices for the Honda Accord and Ford Fusion, to once again verify that ones price had a large difference compared to the other.

injunraiv- True.

Hmm, no response for me 1115? I DID give you plenty of links.
“What’s the matter? Cat got your tongue?”

Cat got my tongue You gave plenty of links Links to what
JJ good try but no dice The Accord is worth more has the higher resale and you are being deceptive

Alright then, if you feel that way and so secure about the Accord, buy (assuming your old enough) both vehicles and tell me 5 years down the road which one held it’s value better. I can assure you, not only will you save about 4 grand on the Fusion but you’ll get only about a grand less than the Accord when it comes time to put it on the market, and you’ll also get reliability that’s been described as “above average” and “just as good as it’s Japanese competitors”, handling that’s been described as “tight”, “Euro-like” and “sporty”, and very nice options without a huge hike in price (unlike the Accord, which can run up to an unbelievable and unworthy $37,000)

Personally, I would go with the Ford Fusion. I would advise you to do such. I know I’ve proven my point so far; even the example you gave me for the Camry and Fusion, the Fusion held it’s value better (Camry held 66% and Fusion held 73%)… Are you going to call yourself a liar?

It’s not just re-sale value, it’s what people will BUY.

A Fusion will sit on a lot, but the Accord will sell.

If you are a car dealer, the metal needs to move.

1115: as much as I love our family 07 accord, along with lots of japanese sportscars, the malibu isn’t a bad car. I hate the rear end, but you have to give credit for chevy for putting out a decent product to help them get back to their feet again, along with the lambdas and their pickups. as along as their not dcx or ford, they should be gaining ground.

jayjc08: if I was in the market for a midsizer, a legacy or mazda 6 would be for me.

Get Real- I don’t want to start sounding like the opposite of tripleonefive and his hogwash, but how do you know Fusions will sit on the lot?

Actually, the Fusions been in really high demand since it’s release, just as much so as the Edge. It’s been one of Fords hottest selling products, and overall is selling well. On average they don’t stay on the lot for too long (I couldn’t find a specific figure, but it’s one of the lowest of the Midsize/Full size sedan department).

And also, the Ford Fusion has been ranked highest in customer satisfaction, ranked high from JD Power and Associates, and rated very high in interior quality. The Fusion is “conquesting” buyers from other brands at a rate of 38.5 percent, more than Fords original 25% estimation, and fleet sales are only at 16%, better than Camry and Accord.

no, jayjc – The Accord fleet sales are at about 9%, so the Fusion at 16% is not better in that department. The Camry was at about 12 or 15%, I forget, but its closer to the Fusion. Either way, import brands are picking up those fleet sales given up by Ford and GM so the fleet numbers of virtually all imports are staying about the same. And then the interior…it is sort of on par with the Camry, but the Accord and Malibu are in a different league.

Get real has hit on something here – demand. People are looking for the Accord because of decent quality, but moreover Honda people seem to be deep Kool Aid drinkers. They pontificate ad nauseum about what great cars they are, and people believe what they are told. LOL, I was actually told by one of these Hondaphiles that the Elememt was aerodynamic.

So no matter the reality of the situation, prices for the used Honda toasters remain high. That said, the high price isn’t reflective of current build quality, IMHO.

But I’m sure someone will pipe up to ‘correct’ me…

No im calling you are liar bc the Camry is still worth more
Where the hell is an Accord even close to 37k Y
You are dismissed for blatant lies and not even good ones at that A Fusion worth more than and Accord or Camry lol Make up a believeable lie next time
the 2006 LX Accord was 20k and the Fusion was worth 16 500 on KBB.
You and Commo are liars I still havent found a recall for the new Camry You assbags claimed that it had tranny problems
Where is the evidence of that and where are you
Htay9500- I said that the Lambdas look good and the Malibu is impressive but they are not proven vehicles. If GM is really trying then in 10 years we will see the payoff Right now they are just the same old Gm and people who want something reliable go with something that has Accord or Camry written on the back

Honda smashes through wall, Kool-aid man pops out…

“Oh Yeeeah!”

Injunraiv- If you meant that statement towards me for “correcting” someone, I just wanted to mention that the Ford Fusion isn’t in low demand.

I’m guessing you don’t see how their desirable either. For the price I’d much rather get a Mercedes, Cadillac, maybe even a Pontiac. Compared to the last generation Camry, the Fusions is really nice; and still is, but behind.

Commodore- I’ll consider your figure to be true, I had read Accord, since the last generation has come out has had fleet sales averaging 16%, and Camry at 17%.

tripleonefive- A fully loaded 2007 Accord Coupe tops out at $39,009 on Honda’s homepage. That doesn’t include destination charge ($695), taxes and other expenses.

Yes, the Camry and Accord are obviously worth more, but you payed a considerable more amount for the Camry than you did the Fusion. Therefore just because it’s *trade in value* is higher, doesn’t specifically mean your getting more of your money back.

What Ford Fusion did you look up? Because according to three sources that I’m using (Automag, C&D and Edmunds), they all tell me the same thing; Trade ins bottom out at $11,993 for 2006 Accords and top out at about $22,000. Ford Fusions bottom out at $10,500 and top out at about $17,500. Considering Ford Fusion NEW tops out around $26,500 and Accord tops out at $35,600 (for last generation, 2006), I would safely presume it holds it’s value much better. Actually, I don’t need to presume; figures prove my statement. If you want, feel free to go back and recheck my statements; I understand them to be true, and I’ve verified that with multiple sources.

And how the hell do you get a resale that’s higher than it’s MSRP for Accord (you said 20k)? You don’t, and don’t give me any bull**** that it must be in such high demand that it drives the resale up, because obviously it isn’t and doesn’t. AND if Ford Fusions resale, base value I’m guessing because you had used the LX model, the lowest Accord model, as your example (otherwise your just being biased) then it STILL holds it’s value better.

jayjc08 – nope, I wasn’t directing that at you. You actually make good sense!

You seem to use every website that is nto actually used for resale values to try and pass off your point as valid
Wont work here and the highest price of an 08 Accord coupe is 30, 260 You are not guessing anything you are a f–king LIAR
http://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2008/index.html#search=open.eq..amp.p.eq.cvehicledata%23%23-1%23%23-1%7E%7Ef64%7C%7C436f757065%7E%7Eq

30, 510 for the Coupe
even when Im wrong Im still right I may have to get an Accord coupe

WOW. You can swear, but hey, I’m not the one spouting a bunch of disdained crap. Are you saying Honda’s lying about it’s own price, on it’s own website? Check it out, go to Honda’s website, add all options (most options being things I would consider standard in a normal car, such as car mats, cargo hooks, etc.) available and after doing all the fore mentioned, the total price will come to $39,009

Not used for resale values? Their overall reviews, they also have resale values. Kelley maybe specifically for resales and such, but that doesn’t mean their the only ones. As I mentioned, don’t be so damned and close minded.

And please, go for it. I’ll be pleased to see you in that hideous BMW poser. I would take my old and tattered seventeen year old Ford Taurus over it any day, and still be happy about my choice. Maybe you wouldn’t, but then again you consider the Japanese the epitome of innovation and technology, and I’ve clearly covered that issue and “beat you” as you put it in your childish terms, hands down.

LOL You drive a Taurus lol
HA
Ive shown a LINK therefore you are a liar now that you know the Accord isnt 40 you can go buy a real car .. A superior Japanese vehicle

Yep… Laugh all you want, my face will be beaming with pride knowing that I own a Taurus that has never failed me, while on the other hand your Toyota has already failed it’s customers. Be as close minded as you wish, but I’m proud to say I love my car, the rat fur carpeting and all.

LOL, Honda EX-L with Honda Satellite Based Navigation System STARTS at #30,510 with automatic trans, which makes 1115 wrong right away. And I cold certainly get this car up in the 30s before I got bored. Gosh, even the Honda website is boring.

Want a link? Try this one: http://www.tripleonefiveisaweasel.com/hondaphile/livesathomewithhismommy/neverbeenlaid.htm

A Taurus lol A ****ing Ford lol
injury want a link hahahlol please , All the corny insults in the world wont make you right.
The 30,510 is the price and JJ tried to add on mats and made up **** like undercoating in a desperate attempt to lie and he got shut down.
Anyway Im still right and you guys havent proven anything meanwhile when I look up book values it shows the superiority of the Japanese vehicle
The Malibu sucks when compared to the Camry or Accord and its destined for the rental lots
I go on vacation in Feb and cant wait to drive one

Yep, a Taurus. Be jealous all you want, but compared to the Accord and Camry I can see why you’d be jealous.

Yes… I did add on mats and options. Most of the options are things I would consider standard in the first place, but regardless of that the maximum price for the coupe, the most expensive model, is $39,009. If you want to get real technical and only add mechanical items, then it’s about $33,000. If you’d like to define major items, but the ones I consider major like stereo, navigation, etc., it’s about $37,000. But I’m done arguing with you, your consumed with envy and hate for my Ford Taurus =D

And obviously, I can see you’ve been up late at night conjuring what your about to say. Seriously, get a life, when your on here from 10 in the morning to 3 at night, it’s obvious you need one. If no girl will go for you, the trend seems to be turning gay, and I know GMNUMBER1FOREVER would love to have you (or is it a hate love relationship?). But then again, you’ll have to fish around in the closet for him for some time.

I wonder why everyone disagrees with you… I guess that would make you the only “right” person in the real world.

I dont hate your Ford Taurus your Ford taurus hates itself thats why its a POS lol
You are a LIAR the Accord is 30k and if it were late 30’s k its a stylish car that has an excellent track record and is a proven performer unlike GM and the rest of the American car companies

Lets not talk about relationships bc its obvious you are a liar and cant defeat my argument so you have to make up some fantasy about me lol You can Inj seem to be the real couple on here

Im the only sensible person on this board and I know the facts about GM. I dont give GM a pass bc they are American In the REAL WORLD one must prove ones worth and GM has failed to do so
In the real orld people drive Hondas and Toyotas and not GM and Fords
Get with it

I have NYE and NYD off Ill post whenever I see fit Once again you cant defeat my argument lol and you were up late posting at midnioght so lets not try that excuse

Yeah… it hates itself… I guess that’s why it hasn’t had any problems so far.

“I dont give GM a pass bc they are American” So your a racist as well as the forum clown?

I’m done arguing with you. Your senseless, your pointless, I’ve let this argument go on way to long and given you way to much attention.

And just to let you know, 12:10 PM is not midnight. Learn to tell time.

I forgot your bedtime is 9pm
Yea right a Taurus with no problems SUUUUURE
Senseless is trying to lie about car prices and resale values to win an argument
Pointless is assigning a race to a car company and when someone doesnt like the product you call that person “racist”
Its way TOO much attention so learn the difference between to and too