“I dont give GM a pass bc they are American” So your a racist as well as the forum clown?

I’m done arguing with you. Your senseless, your pointless, I’ve let this argument go on way to long and given you way to much attention.

And just to let you know, 12:10 PM is not midnight. Learn to tell time.

Lets not talk about relationships bc its obvious you are a liar and cant defeat my argument so you have to make up some fantasy about me lol You can Inj seem to be the real couple on here

Im the only sensible person on this board and I know the facts about GM. I dont give GM a pass bc they are American In the REAL WORLD one must prove ones worth and GM has failed to do so
In the real orld people drive Hondas and Toyotas and not GM and Fords
Get with it

I wonder why everyone disagrees with you… I guess that would make you the only “right” person in the real world.

Yes… I did add on mats and options. Most of the options are things I would consider standard in the first place, but regardless of that the maximum price for the coupe, the most expensive model, is $39,009. If you want to get real technical and only add mechanical items, then it’s about $33,000. If you’d like to define major items, but the ones I consider major like stereo, navigation, etc., it’s about $37,000. But I’m done arguing with you, your consumed with envy and hate for my Ford Taurus =D

Want a link? Try this one: http://www.tripleonefiveisaweasel.com/hondaphile/livesathomewithhismommy/neverbeenlaid.htm

Not used for resale values? Their overall reviews, they also have resale values. Kelley maybe specifically for resales and such, but that doesn’t mean their the only ones. As I mentioned, don’t be so damned and close minded.

And please, go for it. I’ll be pleased to see you in that hideous BMW poser. I would take my old and tattered seventeen year old Ford Taurus over it any day, and still be happy about my choice. Maybe you wouldn’t, but then again you consider the Japanese the epitome of innovation and technology, and I’ve clearly covered that issue and “beat you” as you put it in your childish terms, hands down.

Yes, the Camry and Accord are obviously worth more, but you payed a considerable more amount for the Camry than you did the Fusion. Therefore just because it’s *trade in value* is higher, doesn’t specifically mean your getting more of your money back.

What Ford Fusion did you look up? Because according to three sources that I’m using (Automag, C&D and Edmunds), they all tell me the same thing; Trade ins bottom out at $11,993 for 2006 Accords and top out at about $22,000. Ford Fusions bottom out at $10,500 and top out at about $17,500. Considering Ford Fusion NEW tops out around $26,500 and Accord tops out at $35,600 (for last generation, 2006), I would safely presume it holds it’s value much better. Actually, I don’t need to presume; figures prove my statement. If you want, feel free to go back and recheck my statements; I understand them to be true, and I’ve verified that with multiple sources.

And how the hell do you get a resale that’s higher than it’s MSRP for Accord (you said 20k)? You don’t, and don’t give me any bullshit that it must be in such high demand that it drives the resale up, because obviously it isn’t and doesn’t. AND if Ford Fusions resale, base value I’m guessing because you had used the LX model, the lowest Accord model, as your example (otherwise your just being biased) then it STILL holds it’s value better.

“Oh Yeeeah!”

Injunraiv- If you meant that statement towards me for “correcting” someone, I just wanted to mention that the Ford Fusion isn’t in low demand.

I’m guessing you don’t see how their desirable either. For the price I’d much rather get a Mercedes, Cadillac, maybe even a Pontiac. Compared to the last generation Camry, the Fusions is really nice; and still is, but behind.

Commodore- I’ll consider your figure to be true, I had read Accord, since the last generation has come out has had fleet sales averaging 16%, and Camry at 17%.

So no matter the reality of the situation, prices for the used Honda toasters remain high. That said, the high price isn’t reflective of current build quality, IMHO.

But I’m sure someone will pipe up to ‘correct’ me…

Actually, the Fusions been in really high demand since it’s release, just as much so as the Edge. It’s been one of Fords hottest selling products, and overall is selling well. On average they don’t stay on the lot for too long (I couldn’t find a specific figure, but it’s one of the lowest of the Midsize/Full size sedan department).

And also, the Ford Fusion has been ranked highest in customer satisfaction, ranked high from JD Power and Associates, and rated very high in interior quality. The Fusion is “conquesting” buyers from other brands at a rate of 38.5 percent, more than Fords original 25% estimation, and fleet sales are only at 16%, better than Camry and Accord.

jayjc08: if I was in the market for a midsizer, a legacy or mazda 6 would be for me.

A Fusion will sit on a lot, but the Accord will sell.

If you are a car dealer, the metal needs to move.

Personally, I would go with the Ford Fusion. I would advise you to do such. I know I’ve proven my point so far; even the example you gave me for the Camry and Fusion, the Fusion held it’s value better (Camry held 66% and Fusion held 73%)… Are you going to call yourself a liar?

injunraiv- True.

I looked up a comparably equipped Honda Accord and Ford Fusion to compare. The sources I used were Automobilemag, Car and Driver and Honda’s Home Website.

2006 Honda Accord LX Sedan, 4-cyl.
Base price: $22,995
Depreciation:
Yr 1.) $5,131
Yr 2.) $3,081
Yr 3.) $2,631
Yr 4.) $2,929
Yr 5.) $2,800
Average Resale: $14,895

2006 Ford Fusion SE, 4 cyl.
Base Price: $18,995
Depreciation:
Yr 1.) $4,582
Yr 2.) $1,688
Yr 3.) $1,420
Yr 4.) $1,632
Yr 5.) $1,510
Resale: $13,685

As you can see the Ford Fusion has a higher resale compared to the Honda Accord, which was sold at four grand more. I verified sources between Car and Driver and Automobilemag to make sure they were true, or atleast similar.

We live in the US not Iraq

I also showed the resale for Ford Fusion, is better, and Malibu is on par with Toyota Camry. I left you a resource on the LLN forum that I cited, I’m not going to exhaust my energy arguing on this page on silly things that aren’t opinion.

Once again, you obviously don’t know what your talking about. Sincerely the Malibu only slightly undercuts the Toyota Camry’s and Honda Accords price. And yes, the Accords won… 3 awards from America on the page you provided. The Epsilon Platform has won… 22 awards from across the globe.

Wow, wrap around interior! Man, I have to have one of those! No, I’m not going to go for the Ford Mustang’s award winning interior, or the Chevrolet Malibu’s retro inspired interior, that has been described as “revolutionary” and “game-changing, a new benchmark”, or Minis well thought out, award winning and retro inspired interior, I have to have a dashboard that:

A. Has a slight curve into it that centers into the dash. And don’t mind you, Toyota, Subaru, Lexus, Infiniti and Nissan all use the exact same design!
B. Has no cult following or aftermarket potential… nah, who needs the ricers?

If Fusion is cheap, why does it have better resale than Camry? Actually, it is cheaper in price, but that doesn’t stop it from having better resale!

And once again, if the Malibu is copying the Japanese “wrap around interior” , then the Japanese were originally copying Chevrolets interior design in the 60′s and 70′s- it’s a retro inspired interior, note that it takes inspiration from earlier models.

And no, it’s not my job to look up awards for the Accord; if you take sides with the Accord, then defend what your advertising.

tripleonefive… just never mind. When the Japanese first entered the American market, they entered with an open mind. How about you do the same? I think I’ve proved and typed more than enough to prove you wrong; Merry Christmas, I hope all is going well for you.

The Malibu is cheaper and thats why it got 3rd Naturally its going to be cheaper bc they have to sell it cheaper Its clearly not the better car and belongs with the Fusion and Sebring and then maybe just maybe it can work its way up

In ten years the Malibu will have stood the test of time and if it isnt plagued with problems
and has a resale and reliability’s equal to or higher than an Accord or Camry then its an option. Unfortunately what will probably happen is the Japanese will be light years ahead of GM just like they are now. The Malibu has just gotten the wrap around interior theme that the Japanese had 12 years ago
I’m not interested in driving a ten year old car as well but thats how long GM has to last to be deemed reliable and in the same class as an Accord or Camry The Japanese did’nt earn their reps overnight and I’m not giving a pass to GM to either they have to earn it If I were to give a pass it would go to Hyundai and not Gm

the Malibu’s steering lacks feel, The Malibu’s six-speed automatic transmission garners some black marks from us due to its lazy part-throttle calibration, which dulls the engine’s potency. Top gear is summoned at every opportunity, and the gearbox doggedly refuses to downshift in a timely fashion. With a $27,245 as-tested price that undercuts its competition, the Malibu has a head start in our test scoring, but a relative lack of equipment and indifferent evaluation scores ultimately place it midpack

Pity

tripleonefive- Tell me, what awards has the Accord won? If you take out JD Powers, then I can’t think of many at all. Show me the proof! If your questioning my claims, then show me the hard evidence with links. Don’t mention resale, because as I’ve mentioned it’s only slightly above the Ford Fusion, and about two to three grand above Camry and Malibu.

Aside from that, I only mentioned JD Power and Associates once, for the G6. Even with the exception of JD power and Associates, or even CR which I know many of us consider biased, that only gives away 3 awards for the Epsilon Chassis.

And if you would like proof, simply go to the reference page that I gave you on LLN Forums and it’ll be obvious! The Ford Fusion has a better resale value than the Camry, and the Malibu only lags behind the Camry by about a grand! Also, show me a “classic” Camry or Accord that has sold for 20 grand plus. I can show you plenty of classic Malibu’s that have sold for thousands. You only need to venture to seriouswheels.com (also referenced) and look at what’s been offered their in their classified/ad section.

“Many design and technical problems plagued this generation of Malibus, such as intake manifold gasket leaks, fuel pump failures, air conditioning component problems, and transmission disasters. GM has been criticized because of their failure to aid owners in paying for costly repair of their Malibus. GM, to date, has offered no recall.
From Wikipedia”

I see where you get all your information from, about supposed 99-04 GM’s (that was just the Malibu article).
The two major problems the Chevrolet Malibu/ Oldsmobile version had was with the fuel system and manifold problems. The fuel system needed to be relieved of pressure, and GM offered a fix for many of the cars. Unfortunately, GM only offered aftermarket help concerning the manifold problems. Wikipedia was wrong on that one, it sounds like something you would write.

So, other than the Malibu’s six cylinder, what problems have GM’s had around that time? Don’t tell me to go “look”; I already have, and know very well what their problems were like. I just love to laugh at your stupidity when you have no clue what your talking about, and cite something that’s almost irrelevant.

But hey, Toyota no longer has the benefit of a doubt, they have a ticking time bomb! That’s right, the V-6 has “explosion problems” in the TRD Aurion (that was the model I was speaking of with V-6 problems). They took it off the market in Australia recently. Also, Toyota has slowed down sales of it’s RAV4 with a V-6 because of the same problem, and haven’t come up with a solution for the V-6 in the Camry here, which is the same as the one in the Aurion (albeit not the performance oriented TRD version, but the RAV4 was no exception obviously).
With no supplier to blame, Toyota has called upon their designers and saying it’s a “shame”. What do you have to say about that? Think of what could happen with exploding engines, and how such a disaster could pass right under Toyota’s nose.

Once again, I’ll go back to the Chevrolet Malibu…

“If you want to point out problems then so be it but the bottom line is the Accord and Camry are benchmarks and the Malibu is unproven and will remain so for the next ten years. The first 2 Malibus are the same then they are unreliable and plagued with problems.”

I will point out problems, because that’s what your basing your self righteous claims on. Don’t hide it, I’ve already shown you that Malibu hasn’t been unreliable. If you must use wikipedia like I know you do, then you may note it mentions that GM sold 12,000 Chevrolet Malibu’s, beefed up to withstand their weather. Unfortunately, the Iraqi’s cancelled the order and it’s now considered a “prestigious” vehicle in Canada. I’m done with my wiki analysis.

Also, how do you come to the conclusion the first two Malibu’s are the same? Because the only thing ANY of the Malibus have really shared is the name, the badge and the Epsilon Chassis. Not only that, they weren’t plagued with problems at all, the first few Malibu’s were actually some of the most robust and problem-free vehicles Chevrolet had in the 80′s.

Once again, prove to me that Honda’s and Toyota’s last longer. Vehicle registry’s show you totally wrong. Actually, there are more Model T’s in existence than Toyota Corona’s, and many more Volkswagen Bugs in existence from the first generations time frame then there are compared to Toyota Corolla’s of the same time frame (once again, referenced on LLN forums).

Merry Christmas to all and to all… GOODNIGHT!!

Don’t ask us what the Accord resale is, tell us what it is. It is not our job to go prove your untrue statements. And when (IF) you give us the Accord recall, it better be the new one, not a 1988 one and then hail the Accord as the best. Again, if the 99-04 GMs – SHOW US the supposed problems they have had. And after you do manage to come up with a couple, we will show you just as many for Japan during that period. “Mechanically Toyondas are better, etc” – again, prove that to us. It is not fact because you say it is. You are not the one that determines how long a car has to go to be deemed reliable. I am not interested in 10 year old cars (and I am sure the Malibu will have no probs for 10 yrs, its just that I’m not gonna wait that long to keep it). For me, 3-4 years is enough, so if the Aura is good by 2010, then it would be proven. So far, the Aura has been PERFECT so I would not hesitate to buy one based on reliability.

No one here wants to convince you of anything. You are not that important. Also, don’t focus JUST one the JD awards. The JD Awards are respected and legit. If you don’t believe that, I am not going to argue with you over them. GM still has plenty of other awards as jjayc08 pointed out so even without the JD award they would be fine.

Merry Christmas to all, and 1115, kindly prove to MHW that the old Malibu was unreliable…if you can prove it at all that is.