http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_7507793?nclick_check=1

It’s nice to see GM recalling the Torrent and Equinox, although there haven’t been any accidents this early.

On the other hand, it seems like it’s been quite a while for the Silverado/Sierra and L-series (I’m suprised they sold that many).

I bet what’s going to be coming up is a statement attacking me or someone else for being lenient on GM… Well I got news for you, Toyota had quite a few accidents with some silly floormats that they refused to recall, and even when they were pushed by gov. investigations. Although it took quite a long time for these recalls, I’m glad to see GM atleast fix the problem, without any accidents or pushed by an investigation.

Interesting. The Equinox/Torrent recall seems to be a precautionary sort of thing. Maybe GM is learning from their old habits of ignoring problems.

The pick-up recall and L-series recall are a shame, though. The sad thing is GM will take a lot of flack for bringing attention to these minor problems, even though most other manufacturers would probably say “2001 cars? Not our problem anymore”.

wait for it…

wait for it…

HAHA PISS OFF GM YOUR WORTHLESS

Comment by LP640, posted on November21 at 10:33 am

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…….okay, so I made it up. I was bored.

At least they called it a “recall”. Toyota avoided that with thousands of Siennas a month or so ago just so it could avoid having the highest number of recalls for the year. Now that is shameful! I guess that sense of honor in Japan didn’t translate well here in the states.

Yea…what did Toyota call it? Warranty extension or some garbage like that?

You’d think after years and years and years GM and Ford and Chrysler could make a crankshaft sensor that lasts.

Buy one of the big 3 and the sensor WILL die.

Do they all use the same supplier ????

Thats because domestic automakers are always cutting corners to reduce costs and increase profits. The same goes with almost any american made product. In the rest of the world made in the USA is a negative selling point.

Planet_drive, you’re incredibly naive if you think American manufacturers are the only ones who engage in cost-cutting. Especially when it comes to safety.

I understand all companies reduce costs where ever they can, but there are correct ways to do this. I’m also a business man and I try to save costs where ever I can but I am carefull about it so that a few dollars saved doesn’t end up being an expensive mistake. But unfortunately American big business is notorious for making cost saving measures that end up costing big time. I travel to Europe and Asia alot and people do not trust American made products. Maybe just jeans and cigarettes, but thats about it. American companies have to rebuild their reputation and start building quality products that the rest of the world will respect. This is why so many economies are kicking ass and we are now stuck in limbo.

Yeah! Why can’t the USA build safe, quality products, like China?

Squirt more foam in the windshield pillars? Are you f*cking kidding me? How the hell do you even do that after the vehicle has left the assembly plant without drilling holes in the ‘A’ pillar even further weakening the structure?

They wouldn’t do it if it couldn’t be done.

^Fletch, overall China does make quality products and there is a reason why so many things are made in China, not just because of cheap labour. You can find even cheaper labor in Africa but products built there are beyond horrible due to poor work ethic and lack of dicipline. Just look around your house and I can assure you that you will find atleast 100 items made in China. Like it or not, the Chinese are making alot of the things that you buy. And American companies invest in China because they will products for them at a level of quality suitable for sale all over the world.

planet_drive: that is the most blatantly racist thing anyone could ever say. People don’t make in stuff in Africa because the infrastructure for manufacturing just isn’t there! Say if you wanted to make a cell phone in Africa, you’d need to import the raw plastic to make the casing, the molds for the plastic, the chips for the circuit board, the circuit board itself, the screen, the battery, etc etc, unless you’re interested in building plants to make all of that locally yourself.

And didn’t someone just SAY that GM builds RHD Hummers in South Africa?

The Made in USA label has been problematic outside US since the 90’s. Overpriced compared to the japs and now to the chinese. That’s just the simply fact.

“Thats because domestic automakers are always cutting corners to reduce costs and increase profits. The same goes with almost any american made product. In the rest of the world made in the USA is a negative selling point.

Comment by planet_drive, posted on November21 at 10:57 am”

Case in point the live axle on the mustang. Freakin 10,000 dollar cars dont come with that!!!!!

In today’s world who doesn’t run the risk of recalls, no matter what they sell?

That sucks. They almost had a recall-free year.
Fortunately, the only vehicles affected are Equinox/Torrent which are pretty bad even without a recall. If I wanted a midsize crossover I would go for another GM product anyway: the VUE.
Also, the Silverado and Sierra being recalled are from 6 years ago. They are from TWO model cycles ago, making them like the grandparents of the current 08 Silverado and Sierra. Lastly, the Saturn L-series is (1) an old car that is (2) out of productions and was (3) part of the line of bad cars GM used to make.

Of course, I would be happier if there was no recall at all, but this recall is very insignificant in my eyes and reflects how far GM has come in improving the quality of their cars. I mean think back a few years (to the time 1115 constantly brings up) when GM used to issue a recall a coupe times a month. Now, this is their first recall in the whole YEAR and involves either old cars or cars that are soon to be replaced anyway.

A4, I bet you don’t even own an 04 silverado. And if you do, perhaps you should consider getting a new one? And no, a Tundra would not be a good choice because it too has CAMshaft problems

GM RECALLS MORE VEHICLES?? WHAT ELSE IS NEW ?
CA36GTP PLEASE GET A LIFE !!!!!!!!

What parallel planet does planet-drive live on? Chinese = quality: that is the funniest thing Ive ever heard. Your hate for the U.S. is silly. Please respond using a means of communication the U.S. did not invent. Which means your hand written letter should make it off the boat in about a month. With out the U.S. inventing the telephone, the internet, the PC, the telegraph, and the airplane, a letter by boat will be the only way for you to send a response. So I will patiently wait to read it sometime in 08.
Haters I know U.S. did not invent everything but we have done our fair share.

And so it turns out that GM wasn’t the new king of reliability such as every one had hoped.

I think people should find some new definition of quality.

Commodore Commodore Im not even going to rub this one in bc its expected that GM recalls cars because as always they are making ****
Wait for the Aura and its ugly sister the Maliboo to get recalled. This is not surprising Its just the pattern of GM and the other American car companies
Typical
Ha ha

Far less typical than imports in are modern day and age, and for smaller issues, but whoe’s keeping score! And by the way 1115, the CTS just won Motor Trend Car of the Year, and as a side note the new Malibu ranked higher than the new Accord!!! But then again in are modern day and age that is just “typical, ha ha”!!!

Am I supposed to be impresed ?
Ranked higher than the Accord in what ? Reliability ? NO Build quality ? NO Sales ? NO Resale ? NO
If you are talking about looks that is subjective and I think the new Accord looks way better than the Maliboo. The Malibu has a dash design that the Japanese used 10 years ago and the beack of the car is a poor attempt at copying the Diamante and the TL
If the CTS won car of the year maybe it will help that cars value bc its in tiolet with all GM products They are lower in resale and build quality and will remain that way bc the Japanese make superior vehicles when based on the criteria mentioned

1115-So… in one recent post, you claim that the only GM car you like is the Cadillac CTS, and now you make a complete 360 and say it’s down the drain.

Motor Trend thought the Malibu was better than Accord in terms of performance, handling, feel and quality.

And don’t build your case on a straw man argument. Neither cars have been built yet, so all opinions are simply based on testing. Yours? Biased. And if you must base your opinion on looks, you yourself said that looks are subjective.

BUT, I can determine that the Aura has been doing pretty good so far in terms of quality and recalls, better than your glorious Camry or Accord did when they were released. So has the Pontiac G6. And the Saab 9-3. They all ride on the same architecture as the Malibu.

I think the CTS will hold it’s value very well, and reviews reflect that very nicely.

A4- Should have gone with a F-150, my 96′ model has done fine, and the recent model has done pretty well too from what I know =D

Congrat. GM…you did it again!

A4, of course it’s gonna stall when you’re leaning on the steering wheel. That series didn’t like that much. You’re straining the crap out of the power steering pump which takes the power of the engine to turn. I hear people lean on the locks all the damn time and it just makes me feel sorry for whatever car they’re driving. When you get to the lock, just back off a little. It won’t make any difference in the turning radius.

About the recalls, at least it’s only Saturn’s that got the somewhat serious one. Depending on how the camshaft sprocket is designed, breaking the timing chain may cause nothing more than a stall.

Haha, the usual bashers showed up with nothing new to say.

The G6 and the old Malibu, both Epsilons, have had little reliability problem at all. The Aura seems to be the same way. Stupid and biased to run around screaming “It’s doomed! It’s doomed!” about the new Malibu. Then again, reason isn’t compatible with the domestic haters.

****smooch: that’s damn good, props to ya.

Hahaha, ****smooch. Thanks, I plan to use that in the future.

lamboz get a life you are making me laugh my kiester off, glad you are back. lmao ****smooch, ….classic that one is getting used on somebody in traffic today.

****smooch??? Haha hey CA36GTP, JJT and CTS DRIVER. You guys should trademark that, throw it on some T-shirts and start selling that on E-bay. Make a deal with LLN to throw their logo on it and there you go free marketing and production costs! Now if you can just think of a logo…..

planet_drive. You are sooo wrong about the Made in USA statement you made. Your scope of life is too narrow. There is such a high premium on american products sold in other countries. take a 20 dollar pair of Levy’s to sell in Japan and see what happens. Take it to a middle eastern country, and you’ll see it twice as clearly.

I have first-hand experience of this in multiple cultures…

LOL, with the exception of the african manufacturing comments, I think we could have almost pre-posted this whole thread!

“…and the other American companies”?? So it appears your hate for America has expanded beyond GM. Now you are admitted you pretty much hate anything that has been produced in or by America. It is too bad that you are simple minded enough to see the letters ‘GM’ and the word “recall” next to them and you go from there. Look at WHAT has recalled as I pointed out or just don’t talk OR (option three) go to the Nissan thread to see what a RELEVANT recall looks like.

If Honda recalls their 2001 vehicles today, do you think I will care? If Honda recalls 90k vehicles because they forgot to put the “H” badge on, do you think I would care? The answer to both of those is NO. Two things matter with recalls: what the recall is for, and what model year vehicles are affected.

Example of a IRRELEVANT recall? This on (or any involving cars from >2 years ago)
Example of a RELEVANT one? 06 civics recalled because their wheels might fall off.

I said that the interior of the CTS is nice for a GM. THATS it Ive seen it at the dealer and I saw two on the road and they looked bland
I dont hate America or americans I just hate inferior cars that they make
Example of a IRRELEVANT recall? This on (or any involving cars from >2 years ago) OK lol
Example of a RELEVANT one? Corvettes where the ROOF fly’s off!

1. I am trying to get you to understand that US automakers (mainly GM) DON’T make inferior products. (CTS won the Motor Trend Car of the Year – that is a big deal considering its Motor Trend we are talking about! The Malibu and Silverado and Enclave and Vue are all praised by them as well as everybody else. You say that the cars are bland, but if that is your only problem with them then that is pretty good considering the cars you favor are the blandest cars available).
2. You said something about American companies being this and that (and I don’t want to bother scrolling up and quoting it). You basically just expanded your dislike of the US automakers to include virtually all US companies. Correct me if I am wrong – if you dislike that many things about America I think it is time for you to go live abroad – try France or China).

I have never said that the roof of some Corvettes flying off was OK. In fact, it is a relevant example of a recall. Fortunately, it happened with only a few Corvettes, and the problem WAS NOT structural (like the Tundra problems). Still pretty bad though.

LP640: so what do you have to say for yourself now with Nissan’s 650,000 vehicles recalled? Hmm? Thought so. The japs are winning indeed, but in recalling the most vehicles.

1. I am not trying to get you to understand anything. Im just stating the fact that US automakers (mainly GM) DO make inferior products. (CTS won the Motor Trend Car of the Year -THIS YEAR is one year and the CTS the Aura the Malibu and the rest of the new GM’s have no or a poor track record and therefore are **** quality until they stand the test of time. You say that the Japanese cars are bland, but that is your opinion. If the Japanese cars where as bland as you make them out to be then no one would buy them. I favor the most reliable cars available that have style resale and build quality. Honda and Toyotas “Toyondas” are more attractive looking than American cars in my opinion There is no fact that Japanese cars are bland but there is fact that they are worth more money and can stand the test of time which GM and all American cars fail at

2. You said something about buying American and supposing American companies . You also said that people should pefer the product thats made where they come from and that is bull**** US automakers make inferior product and people buy foreign and that is why the american car companies are in the jam they are in now. Correct me if I am wrong – this is America and I have the right to hate companies that make inferior products and express my opinion. People like you are the idiots that went out and bought an American flag on Sept 11th. To see how crooked America and the govt are look up this day in History

Of course the Corvettes flying off was a relevant example of a recall. But you make excuses about it and call it minor but call engine sludge from owners who didn’t take care of their cars major. The structural issues happened on a few Toyota’s, and the problem WAS NOT major like you are saying it is

I wonder why 1115 is always under attack…

Corvettes roofs flying off is very serious. But meanwhile, as we talk of Corvettes, there’s an ongoing investigation on a Toyota Camry, which began to accelerate and kill an innocent life. And this isn’t the first incident either.
It takes a federal investigation, numerous accidents, multiple deaths and now a police investigation for Toyota to even acknowledge this deadly problem. And yet, they’ve only begun to fix the problem, reluctantly, of a few thousand car mats.

THAT’S WHAT MAKES TOYOTA **** to me. That’s what makes them loose all respect, all dignity that I may of had for them. Go shove that up your….

Yea now you are whining about some floor mats
GM makes **** and thats is why Toyota is number 1 and Honda cars are worth more than Gm’s
Go shove that up your…?-.Whatever you Commo and Impulsive do when you are not posting on this board is your business

One day, I hope that this debate is over. But that will never happen if you keep brining up **** that I have already defeated. THE ONLY time I said to buy American just because its American is to buy the Pontiac Vibe over the Toy Matrix. That is because both cars are EXACTLY the same, so when choosing between them you are basically choosing whether to send the profits from the car you bought to Japan or to America. THAT’S IT. Everyone other car purchase should be decided on which car is better based on things like safety, recalls, and design.

The Jap cars also have to stand the test of time and they have not been doing that lately. While the Camry is having its transmission fixed and taken in for other recalls, the Aura is recall-free for over a year now and counting. While the Tundra is taken in to repair those camshafts or its cracked tailgate, the Silverado and Sierra are selling like crazy with no problems or incentives. These are facts that go directly against the things you WANT TO believe, yet you don’t even actknowledge it!!

The Corvette roof flying off is a relevant example of a recall, but it is a minor recall because the problem was the glue or whatever used to hold the roof on. That was caused by GM’s supplier providing the wrong glue for the roof. Now, with the Tundra tailgate cracking that is a MAJOR issue because it is a DESIGN flaw. The morons at Toy believed that to make a better full-size than their old Tundra, all they needed to do was make it twice as big and put an inefficient, monster engine in it. WRONG! When designing the Turd, they designed the tailgate poorly so that it is not strong enough to withstand the weight that is demanded from a truck-buyer. So it CRACKS. That isn’t a supplier issue that is a better of using the wrong glue, that is a DESIGN FLAW like I said. You say that the engine sludge is the result of the owners not taking care of their cars – the evidence I provided you with A LONG TIME AGO (now you are reviving this debate) said that it affected 3.5 MILLION cars. Do you say that 3.5 MILLION people mistreated their cars? Wow, those Toy owners are very irresponsible drivers then.

And please answer every point I made above. If you fail to address any of my points, I will just assume that you have nothing to say and therefore you concede that point (I want to do this so we can agree on what you are wrong on or what I am wrong on so we don’t have to revisit the same thing next week in another GM or Toyonda thread).
Happy Thanksgivin!

SS4Life: I can’t take credit for “****smooch.”

Commodore,tripe-fluffer: Motor Trend’s COTY award lost all cache, when the Civic won it. Means nothing now. If Automobile or some magazine put out by people who know cars honors the CTS, that’ll carry weight with me.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_7507793?nclick_check=1

Wow man, 1115, you must be paid, the companies you praise so much have no humanity…

I’m whining about some floor mats that have killed people. Do you not understand, the companies you praise for such high quality, don’t value the lives of their drivers? That’s sickening to me, that’s a company that doesn’t deserve the number one spot, that’s a company that deserves to be ashamed. If you ever mature past the mentality of a four year old, you may know what I’m talking about.

On a softer note, happy thanksgiving!

Over 1 year lol? Thats classic. Wow my car lasted the test of time I had it over a year. LOL How many MILLIONS of GM cars have been recalled as recent as 2 years ago ? Lately, lets try 20 plus and counting years of American cars breaking down people going to the dealer and having to pay for their own repairs. Known defects in American designs that people spent thousands on. Just bc GM has one year with one imported Euro car they are all of the sudden better than the Japanese or even close to the quality of the Japanese? PLEASE, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!
Toyota drivers irresponsible ? Anyone who buys a GM is irresponsible. WIth all the safety recalls and issues consumer who buy GM are putting their family and the lives of others in danger by driving a GM or american cars

You run no shows and you havent defeated anything. I dont know who you think you are by saying Answer me or you concede lol HA. When GM has a better build quality and higher resale and sell more cars then maybe I will but I doubt it. That wont happen in one year with one care or 3 cars lol. The entire line has to be that way,importing cars from Europe and re badging them wont help either
The Civic recall was a minor example bc it was a part that was made by another company no Honda so …whats your point ?You keep trying
Name one person or send a link that showed conclusively that Toyotas mat killed people then we can talk. Lets talk about Ford and the Pinto and the Crown vics catching on FIRE. Lets talk about GM and the failed safety equipement recalls and roof flying off their bread and butter sports coupe and finally lets talk about Chrysler minivans with K car transmissions. Notice how GM had the most recent hmmm
Until then you are just talking **** like Commodore

THE AURA HAS ONLY BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR A YEAR. The point is that it has had no problems at all so far. And the first year is when the car is most likely to expirience problems. And it isn’t just the Aura, it is virtually every car that GM has introduced after 2005. On the other hand, in the past year, there have been a total of almost 2 million Japanese cars being recalled and about 5 million that have expirienced problems but have not had a recall issued because the Jap are scared of ruining their reputation.

Lately, there was 20 years of problems with American cars? Wake up and you will see that LATELY, Toyonda and Nissan are the ones with the problems and recalls while GM is not recalling anything except their worthless Equinox and Torrent which are being killed (and that was their first recall in a year!!!). GM made bad cars from 1985-2005, I will give you that. But it is almost 2008 so I am not concerned with problems GM’s old cars had, considering that they have had almost 3 years of decent cars and 1 year of flawless quality.

How are GM drivers putting other people in danger when GM cars are NOT NOT NOT being recalled while Toyonda ARE ARE ARE being recalled by the 100,000s!!! If you are gonna debate about this, USE FACTS!! Toyoda, Honda, and Nissan are all in the top 5 recall list.

Nothing wrong with people importing and exporting cars between divisions if all the divisions belong to the same company. Honda does the same thing with its European Hondas magically becoming double priced “luxury” cars called Acuras so what is your point?

I already explained that I want you to answer me because from what I know you over the last few months, you tend to be silent when your arguments are defeated which is fine, but then you bring up the SAME EXACT arguments that I have already addressed. That is annoying because I have to repeat myself again. I will give you an example: Yes, you have a point on the Honda thing with the wheels falling off. It could be the fault of the supplier, just like with the Corvette. (See, now we won’t have to argue over that ever again!)

Funny, my 2007 GTP is going strong while my neighbor’s 2007 Camry has been in and out of the dealership.

Sure Ca sure lol I love how yopu guys stoop so low as to lie about such things as Civic going to 91 k when every other civic never dies unless killed and now your “neighbors ” Camry is in the shop while your Poor Old car which you thought was a caddilac is troubel free. Even Gm can make a car that will last for a couple of years lets see 10 years down the line and see how many times youve been in the shop and see how much your “GTP” is worth lol

I don’t really give a **** about resale value, as I drive my cars till the wheels fall off. You Consumer Reports monkies can have your overinflated resale values.

Resale values are for cars no one wants after a year or two of owning them.

Nice, I guess you agree with all those points I made in my last post. That makes things much easier. Now, if you ever bring them up again, I can just give you a link to this and tell you that you already agreed with me because you had nothing to say.

Anyway, who the hell keeps a car for TEN years? I would never do that, but I do see a lot of old Silverados, F-150s, Malibus, and a LOT of old Buick and Cadillac vehicles on the road. It is really unfortunate that you are too stupid to be able to afford a new car. Always in the used car market, that is a shame.

And I don’t lie about any cars. Some foreign cars people I know own:

200? Prius: Laid up for over 2 months after a low-speed fender bender because it practically collapsed. Don’t know how many miles are on it.

2003 Civic Si: Clutch is shot, and the “superior Japanese” interior dash materials are fading and the instrument panel is becoming discolored. 35k-ish miles.

2007 Camry CE: In and out for various problems. Also another Toyota that was involved in a low-speed fender bender and took way too much damage.

1998 Accord (LX I think): Frequently stalls out when stopped.

So keep telling yourself foreign cars are super-reliable. They ain’t. In fact, many of them are as **** as my old Ford Probe (may it burn in hell)

I have a “brilliant” idea everyone. From here on out, I believe we should ignore any and all statements made by 1115. No comments, no remarks made towards 1115, as obviously he is only here to anger us all and not to progress the forum.

My last two cents towards 1115: I own a 90′ Ford Taurus, have maintained it since 94′ or so. It has a good 150,000 city miles on it, and has not had one problem since purchase. My 96′ Ford F-150 has had no problems as well, albeit it’s only recently begun to have a small amount of rust, and the engine warning light often goes off, for no reason. I often tow small to medium large loads with it, hasn’t had any problems with regards to that either.

And resale value for an 07 Pontiac G6 GTP (am I correct, CA36GTP?) is looking very nice.

From here on, I advise every one who reads this, to completely ignore 1115.

My *trade in* value is $16,000 after a little over a year of ownership and 18,000 miles. Real value is more like $19,500. Not bad for a car I paid $24,500 for.

CA – the trade in seems kind of low. I would think it is at least 18 grand (although you have driven it quite a few miles in just one year). 19.5 seems about right – only 5k depriciation in a year.

2002 F150 values – totally decked out (approximate):

… MSRP: 32,800
… Buy Price New: 24,500
… Current private resale around here: over 14,000 (had an offer last month but not for sale)

So my true resale over actual buy price is 57% after 5 1/2 years. Name me the freakin Accrud that can beat that! I seriously doubt the Honda Crodgeline will come close to a 57% resale/actual after 5 1/2 years.

BTW – only F150 issue has been a cruise control switch under the hood changed under recall. 10 whole minutes – but it was long enough to go into the showroom, look at a Fusion, and wonder what the hell the designers were smoking with that thing.

Honda accord base price $18,225 3 year residual is $13,360. Notice how you said approx and around here You are an idiot and my lawn needs mowing The F 150 is at least good for that
http://www.forbesautos.com/advice/toptens/resale/01-resale_value.html
Where is the F 150 on this list >?
You are a f–king idiot lol

Assuming a fairly constant rate, the Accord’s resale value at the same age as Ricardo’s F-150 would be roughly 55%. Mileage also matters. Doesn’t seem that stellar to me.

Of course, that’s without asking the question of who the hell would want a base Accord 3 years later?

Now that I think about it, when you take into account the diminishing losses on a yearly basis, a 5 1/2 year old Accord would probably call for closer to 60%. So a slight advantage over F-150. Still not the ZOMG SO AMAZING resale values import humpers run on about.

1115, you are the phucking idiot. The statistical resales about which you obsess are based on MSRP. That is why I gave that number. But if I did care a ton about resale, then I look at what I actually paid – not some fictitious MSRP.

I said approximate because I am not going to look up the paperwork to get an exact dollar figure on the MSRP that will yield precisely 0.0005% difference, you stupid phuckhead. The MSRP was 32,8XX – I remember this, and I tend to round up or down at X50, so it was surely in the lower 32,8XX range. You’ll note the 57% was rounded down, if you know how to do math.

The $24,500 is actual. The 14,000 is an actual offer – cash. It’s not for sale, but a guy at the office really wants it. Am told I can get more, but I am not looking to sell so I am not investigating sell prices to satisfy your pathological obsession with alleged Honda and Toyota superiority.

Your 3 years is not my 5.5 years.

1115, just like almost everyone else here that you contend with, I don’t question that Honda makes good quality vehicles. They just aren’t the problem-free, nirvana-evoking dream machines that you delude yourself into believing, just as GMs and Fords are not problematic rat-traps built like garbage bought only by rednecks. The fact that you parrot this nonstop indicates a very closed mind on your behalf.

See 1115? Import and domestic resales are IN LINE with each other. Neither one is ZOMG SO AMAZING like CA pointed out, but they don’t have to be. What matter is that the imports don’t have a big advantage in resale values over American cars.

You cant deny that Honda makes reliable vehicles and I never said anything about Honda cars being made by God what I continue to state (and Im consistent unlike JJT Commo ) is that the Japanese make superior vehicles based on build qual reliability which is in turn respresented in the Japanese cars resale value
Your “actual” numbers dont mean ****! You have to go by the books. The books are not fictitious,your story is.”Some guy at your office” yea right you do lawn for a living. The “guy at your office” must be an idiot if he would pay anything for a Ford let alone from you lol
You actually tried to question the Accords reliability and resale to “Ford” ha ha a Ford lol oh god thats comedy

1115 wrote “You actually tried to question the Accords reliability”

Show me WHERE, please.

BTW, if you think I’m going to post the name of the guy at the office, or the name of my workplace, or my name or anything else of the sort on a public site, you are even more pathetically stupid than we all thought.

Oh yes, one other thing about you “by the books” BS.

When I worked in Germany, a higher up friend of mine at Audi swung me a very very deal on a new A4. When I moved back a year, I sold it for 2,000 euros more than what I paid, however the resale price was certainly below the original MSRP.

According to 1115’s twisted logic, I lost money on the deal, but I have 2,000 actual euros that prove him wrong. Believe what you want, 1115.

When people say ” Believe what you want: that usually means they are lying

1115, that is among the lamest retorts on LLN which (is a tough thing to do). Still, since you said it, I’d love to see your link proving it.

Do please explain to me how I sold a car I bought new at a substantial discount one year later for more than what I paid, but less than MSRP, and so according to your resale calculation I lost money. when I cleared a couple grand. This is why I base my numbers on reality, not on a statistical formula that benefits vehicles that sell close to an imaginary number.

You’re clearly closed mind about a lot of things, but to maintain that a false denominator is somehow real and relevant real in a simple math equation will not get you out of that job as Director Of Burger Flippance at Fatburger anytime soon.

“Director of Burger Flippance at Fatburger”

Some of us seriously need a spot on Comedy Central…

I still say we all ignore 1115, but this is too funny to pass up!

How do I explain it umm You are lying. Just like jjt with a civic that died at 91k and Commodore buying a CTS
Umm you are mentioning “Fatburger” and you are claiming that my posts are weak ?

“consumer (sic) who buy GM are putting their family and the lives of others in danger by driving a GM or american cars.”

straight comedy!

Lets (sic) talk about a civic owned by a well-endowed girl I went to college with that had a habit of shutting down on the freeway.

GM made bad cars from 1985 10 1991 or 1992, and ugly cars from then until about 2002.

My nephew told me the “engine went out” on his mom’s Camry. I guess my little sister will join the family tradition among toyota owners — the traditional next purchase of something else.

tripleonefluffer: prove someone is lying.

CA36GTP: resale value is theoretical at best. My cavalier was theoretically worth about $300 when it got wrecked. insurance company paid me $1,500.

Commodore: “Who the hell keeps a car for TEN years?” I’m keeping my next car for 11 years, that’s why honda’s not on my list. I’m getting an Enclave, when i find the one I’m looking for. Dousn’t seem to be one in all of Souther Cali.

“I do see a lot of old Silverados, F-150s, Malibus, and a LOT of old Buick and Cadillac vehicles on the road.”

Nonsense, commodore, believe the fluffer, not your lyin’ eyes!

I have a “brilliant” idea everyone. From here on out, I believe we should ignore any and all statements made by 1115. No comments, no remarks made towards 1115, as obviously he is only here to anger us all and not to progress the forum.

jayjc08: I own a 90′ Ford Taurus …. 150,000 city miles on it … not had one problem since purchase. Again, you should value the Fluffer’s babble over your own experience.

CA36GTP: who the hell would want a base Accord, EX or TL?

RicardoHead: Not fair! You’re using real-world resale, not KBB’s theoretical model! How will the Fluffer retain his delusion?

Now, I see “Your ‘actual’ numbers dont mean ****! You have to go by the books.” So, if you bring up something that casts doubt or call his BS BS, you’re a liar.

hence, anyone who calls 1115 on his BS, I will mark as a “liar.” I mean that as a compliment.

“This is why I base my numbers on reality, not on a statistical formula that benefits vehicles that sell close to an imaginary number.”

Again, Not Fair!

Real world resale lol? Yea ok
91 k hmm ok
Not fair? Waa
Either way I love what limbos calls “insults”
This thread goes to the continuing pattern of GM making crappy ass vehicles and that is why they and the other American companies are in the position that they are in.
Are the Japanese perfect no but close. I’m not surprised at this recall and we will see many many more in the future. The Malibu’s and its sister the Aura will be recalled and they won’t outsell the Camry and the Accord. The G8 won’t outsell the TL or the Maxima and that’s just the bottom line.
In 2017 we will see if the Americans have their act together. Judging by their track record they won’t and the Japanese and the Koreans will always have a superior product
Keep the so called “insults” coming. Your mom is a whore lol. That’s really good
You guys are a joke. No one is able to give me evidence that the American car companies build a reliable car. Where’s the proof? Ricardo’s story? JJT story?
This is too easy

What’s the point, 1115. When we provide statistics, you claim they are all paid for by GM. When we provide facts, you call us liars.

Dude, you are 15 years old and your mind is more closed than your grandpa’s. That is not a good thing.

I don’t think testimonials from either side of the debate are going to help anyone. We can provide countless examples of domestics with high resales on NO problems for years and you can also provide the same thing for imports (both of which could be true or made up – they are unverifiable). But let’s follow LOGIC here:

The examples JJT and Ricardo and everyone else provided on the domestics are from GM’s older cars (the cars I consider to not be GM’s best). If those cars had decent resale, imagine what GM’s newest cars will have. Look at the Enclave – as JJT tells us (and I have checked) the Enclave is almost impossible to be found. It was named THE hottest car this month by Forbes or something. In turn, the Malibu has enough orders to be outsold thru the end of this year. The Aura is still keeping up a steady pace, the rest of the Lambdas stay at a dealer no more than a month and they are gone, I myself barely got my CTS as it was very hard to find one……The point is all these cars are in very high demand. And the demand (as well as the miles driven, and the number of cars sold to rentral fleets) are some of the things that determine resale. I can tell you that I can go and trade my CTS right now and get Invoice value for it. If a car is in high demand, its resale will be high. Look at Chrysler – they have thousands of cars sitting on the lots and as a result their resale values suffer. IT’S LOGIC. And by that logic, GM cars of today meet or exceed Toyonda values. So the Enclave is gonna have just as much resale value as the MDX, and so on.
Then look at reliablity. Volkswagen, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, and Chrysler are the Fab Five in recalls this year. So how does your Accord, or Civic, have AND MORE reliability than GM? How can you go buy a car today, in 2007 like JJT is doing, and completely ignore the domestics as if the imports are the only choice when the IMPORTS are doing everything wrong right now that the domestics used to do? Bad designs, overpriced, low quality and reliability… You would have to be an idiot to still worship Toyonda.

And how am I inconsistent?

Ricardohead – classic! Love your use of logic to argue with a bogot. Makes sense to the rest of us, to 1115 it’s just mouth gas.

BTW, to 1115: When you get the ‘book’ to write you a check for what they say your car is worth, you can believe the book. Until then, it’s real world numbers that count.

“The G8 won’t outsell the ‘TL’ or the Maxima. I don’t think the G8 will outsell teh accord, but it may outsell the Maxima.

“Japanese and the Koreans will always have a superior product.” What?

“No one is able to give me evidence that the American car companies build a reliable car.” Yeah, there’s plenty of evidence, but you just ain’t takin’ it in.

Commodore: Seems like most dealerships have exactly ONE Enclave. But not the one I want. I almost decided to go up to bakersfield (Yeah and taking an 8-passenger unit about $6k below my target price, but I know it’ll be a bastard as my sons get older to keep folding down the second row.

The Malibu looks like a concept car. Congrats on the CTS purchase.

One more fun thing: according to 1115 the smart person is the person who pays the MOST over MSRP for a car!
Why? Because this person will lose the least when the car depreciates.

Example:
…… Vehicle MSRP: 30,000
…… New Price paid: 40,000 (10k oer sticker)
…… Resale value after one year: 27,000
According to 1115, the person who paid 40k for a 30k car and then sold it after one year lost only 10% in value (27k divided by 30k), or 3,000. Not the 13,000 the idiot actually lost.

On the other hand, according to 1115 a person who paid 24k on a clearance sale for a 30k MSRP car and sold it after a year for 23k is an idiot because he/she lost a theoretical 7k off MSRP. The fact that he truly only lost 1k is written off as a lie.

You gotta be a phuckin delusionary nut to ignore real numbers.

R-head: Under that scenario, the guy doesn’t lose $1,000. He simply rented a car for a year for $1K. A good deal.

Ignoring real numbers allows 1115 to give his BS some “validity.”

“”The G8 won’t outsell the ‘TL’ or the Maxima. I don’t think the G8 will outsell teh accord, but it may outsell the Maxima.”

Actually, the G8 will be a mid-level volume car, not unlike the last gen GTO, but IIRC they will produce something like 40,000 per year. I don’t know the latest sales numbers for the Maxima, but it seems it must be higher than that, right?

You are inconsistent bc you are basing these statistics on cars that are brand new and unproven. Theydont have good track records yet you are saying that based on first year sales they are going to have a good resale and are reliable.
Speaking of Chrylser the 300 and Magnums rolled off the line when they came out and look at them now. The same will happen to GM. It is HIGHLY doubtful that the Enclave will have the same resale % as the Pilot or MDX. Look at the Rainer and the Rendevous.

Good luck with your boat and if you like it then more power to you but dont try and say that it will be worth more than the Japanese competition when it has no track record to prove that.
It had a small recall already and based on GMs history it will be recalled again and again and they will try and avoid recalling it then GM will be forced to bc someone will get hurt .

What real numbers are you talking about? One sale of a Ford truck in where? California ? Please, the books are the guideline. Lets say you did have that offer and you didnt’ take it You wont get that offer again. Someone is going to look at the book value and offer you less bc its a Ford and its a truck lol You are fool if you didn’t get rid of that POS Ford when you had the chance
When did I say someone who paid 40 k for a car sold it for 30k ? When did I say that you lost 7k off a car ?
You are reaching far this time The only thing I said is that you dare challenge the Honda Accords resale vs some Ford

Why do you say Pilot OR “MDX?”
Correctfor would be Pilot/”MDX”, like Corsica/Beretta

correct form

Do you even know what ‘inconsistency’ means 1115?

It is like not sticking to your story. And I have stuck to what I am saying – that people should consider all cars, American or not, and buy them based on which is the best rather than believing that cars from Asia are supreme. I have consistently disproven the myths about Japanese cars and how they are reliable when in fact they are THE MOST recalled this year, and so on and so forth (unlike you, I am not going to repeat myself for the 3045943 time).

The Magnum is being killed off my Chrysler. As for the 300, I hope that it is updated because, while it is still a great car, it would not be smart to let it sit there for nearly a decade like Toyoda did with the Corolla (which, after it was redesigned, still didn’t get significant changes). You do have a point though that cars must be constantly updated or else they lose their image (look at the Taurus). But see, you WANT to believe that GM will forget about its products and let them rot when in fact a new Aura is coming in about 2 years (when the current one has been out for ONE year). I am not sure you can do it so… 1 + 2 = 3 years!

You don’t even have a clue how resale value is determined. Do you think KBB sits there are is like “um, this car is Japanese so it will have good resale, and this car is domestic (ew!) so it will have bad resale”. That is not how it works. There are things that determine resale and so far all of them point to the fact that the Enclave will have GREAT resale, probably better than the current Pilot. Comparing the Rainier/Rendevous with the Enclave is like comparing apples and oranges. It IS, however, a great indicator of old GM vs the NEW gm.

“Good luck with your boat”? Who is that directed at? And more importantly, what century do you live in??! And again, current recall numbers are in the domestics’ favor, so your Accord is much more likely to get recalled than my CTS.

(1115 quote) The only thing I said is that you dare challenge the Honda Accords resale vs some Ford (1115 quote)

Ya don’t do that, you might make Fords look good. And that’s just not right.

get up and continue to proceed

Mach – that was a genius post (look up sarcasm)
so your Accord(I don’t drive an Accord) is much more likely to get recalled than my CimmaronTS. Based one what. Going by GM’s track record and MILLIONS of recalls in just the last 2 years its more likely that your Cimmaron will break down and the Accord will last longer and have a higher resale %
Comparing the Current Buick truck offerings is irrelevant? Do you know what the term “apples and oranges “means ? Look at the Ranier and Rendezvous. You don’t like that example bc it proves my point. Try and come up with a reason why Buick products cant be compared ?>

this vehicles should have been recalled even before the were released because the are so tragic ; but the would be good fuel for a fire

LOL, cardesigner shows his 4th grade writing skills…

apples and oranges are two completely different things..as are the Enclave and the Rainier/Rendevous. One is from the old GM, the other is from the new GM. I would never buy a car from the old GM, but unlike you, I am fair and I am able to see what bull**** Toyonda’s quality “reputation” is and that there are other, and much better, choices other than the Japs.

To kill your point about it being one year of recalls for Toyoda:
QUOTE
“Although we’ve barely passed mid-February, Toyota has already recalled! 533,417 vehicles this year in a mix that, according to http://www.AutoRecalls.us, includes Tundras Sequoias and Camry’s. That puts Toyota on track to recall more than the over 1.76 million autos they recalled in the U.S. and Japan in 2006, and the 2.2 million they recalled in 2005 when they recalled more cars than they built.”

If you can count, 2005-2007 are THREE years of bad performance. There is your track record for imports. And notice how I cited the past 3 years because they are relevant. After all, I don’t think either of us is interested in buying 80s or 90s cars so let me stop you before you even mention “GM’s track record from 20 years ago is…….blah blah blah”.

.

lol what was that cardesigner5

I have already showed you that GM had MILLIONS of recalls in 2005 and the Cobalt and its big brother lol, The Corvette in 2006along with the current recall and years of them in the 90’s. On top of that you said that in the past GM made crap.
Toyota has had 20 plus years of excellent performance and 2 ok years with inflated recalls. If you can count you will see that the numbers still favor Toyota. Toyota has a better track record than GM and that wont change unless Toyota has 20 plus years of crap making and recalls similar to the Americans . You don’t want to believe that BC you want people to “consider ” GM.
The Rainer and the Rendezvous along with the Teraza are CURRENT Buick Models so your argument that they are Buicks past is a lie just like all that you say.
I don’t care for either company but I know which one builds a more reliable car and its not GM

The only current Buick models are the LaCrosse, Lucerne, and Enclave. So I have no clue what you’re talking about, 1115.

CA you have no clue is correct!
The Ranier, the Terraza and the Rendezvous are 2007 models. I believe this year is 2007 and don’t give me any model year crap. Even in 2008 they will be one year removed from the Buick lineup so it’s in the recent past.
Commo knows that the Enclave will meet the same fate as Buick’s other truck offerings. He is trying to distance the offerings from the Enclave but it wont work. The Enclave is nice looking but it comes from poor stock and more than likely be unreliable and fail

Back to work, 1115. I’ll take fries with that, and gimme extra onions.

CA36: I see you checked buick.com, instead of taking 1115’s babble for granted.

Yea and the Terraza and Rainier and Rendevous are all gonna be dumped into rental fleets.

Look at the GM sales catalog – the only Buicks are the Lucerne, Lacrosse, and Enclave. I know it would help your argument if the other ones were part of the line-up but……sorry, GM is smarter than that.

But like I said They are CURRENT models in the lineup It hurts to admit it just like it hurts to say the Japanese make superior cars but once again I am correct and you are incorrect like you always are.
You tried to lie and were caught. The Enclave will meet the same fate as its siblings
Ricardo- you arent even trying anymore

“The Ranier, the Terraza and the Rendezvous are 2007 models. I believe this year is 2007 and don’t give me any model year crap. ”

Translation: “I know I’m using the wrong model year to compare “current” cars, but I don’t care because acknowledging that would undermine my biased argument.”

Translation” You are desperately trying to make an excuse for the Buick vehicles that are currently in the lineup lol”
I look fwd to you coming up with another excuse. The Enclave is nice but in no way better than a Pilot or Highlander. It will end up a rental just like its siblings HA

CA36GXP is absolutely right. You knew that you were spinning the facts so you said “don’t mention model year crap”. The vehicles were killed in 2005 I believe, and were built in 2006 (the last ones were, to fulfill fleet and retail orders). They ARE old cars, but they are labeled 2007 to make them seem newer and easier to sell. I mean, who wants an 05 or 06 car in the second half of the year, and more importantly, who wants those cars? They were just sold until the Enclave came, that’s all.

The Pilot is three years old!! Even the Edge beats it out. Those “car magazines” which you talked about in the other thread — when have they ever (recently) rated the Pilot highly compared to other crossovers? The CX-7 and GM’s Lambdas always win ALL comparisons.
Gift: http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7095178

Commodore, CA36GTP, 1115- The Buick Rainier was cancelled in the second quarter of this year. It’s a 2007 model, but it’s no longer part of Buick’s current lineup.

And who really gives a crap. The Buick Rendezvous was actually a nice vehicle, it handled and rode well, the interior isn’t bad at all, plenty of space (better than a minivan). I don’t know about the Buick Rainier, but I do know it had slow sales.

Oh yes. The Buick Rendezvous was also cancelled in the second quarter, this year.

Commodore, you wound me with your misspelling of my username! I would NEVER represent the laughable GXP series! LOL

As for the old Buicks, the Rendezvous and Rainier weren’t bad cars. But they DID get trapped in the limbo period between SUVs and CUVs. Hence why the Enclave is doing so well in comparison. My mother owns a GMC Envoy, and as much as she loves it and it isn’t a bad car, she wishes she could afford to trade into an Acadia. The Lambdas are much superior to the old GMT-360s, but that’s not to say the GMT-360s were bad. They had their failings, but much of their lack of sales success was that they ran for a year or two too long before the Lambdas hit full production.

One thing I have to say about the Envoy is it had a CRAPLOAD of options built into a decent price. The Acadia is even more impressive, and I imagine the Enclave even one-ups that. The only thing the Envoy lacked was a nav.

As for the Pilot, I don’t know how it would compare except on paper, because you couldn’t get me into something that ugly to try it out.

The Highlander is better, but I hate Toyota’s current styling that makes it look like a stretched and bloated Camry. I find it unusual that 1115 would bring it up as an example of Japanese superiority, as it seems to be littered with the same cheap buttons and knobs that are so criticized on domestic vehicles. I like the seat quality, however. The walk-through ability seems cool on paper as well, though I’m not so sure I would appreciate it as much trying to drive while people are walking around inside my car.

It’s a 2007 model, but it’s no longer part of Buick’s current lineup.????
What year is it >?
Wait its built in 06 and is an 07 model and this year is 07 but its not a part of the lineup STOP MAKING EXCUSES ! Those POS are part of Buicks lineup and are the future of the Enclave
GET OVER IT !

By that logic, should we still consider the RSX part of Acura’s line-up since dealerships still sell a new one every now and then, compare it to the Astra and Rabbit, and slag Honda off?

Uh……………………. no CA
First the RSX is a great car that is sporty, reliable, has a great resale and excellent build quality
The last RSX model was a 2006 which was LAST YEAR (your point destroyed) and the RSX was a great car UNLIKE the Ranier and Rendezvous (your point destroyed again )
Your attempt was pretty pathetic

So? There are still some in dealerships, just like Rendevous and Rainier. And don’t you mean the RSX Type-S? The regular RSX was laughable with its pathetic K20A3 engine that could only get good fuel economy by shutting down half its intake valves at low RPMs. By your reasoning, we should compare the base RSX to cars like the current Rabbit or GLI or Astra.

So they are not 2007 models like the Buicks. If there is a 2007 RSX available then I agree with you.

The RSX despite how you feel about the engine was an Acura and it is worth a lot of money is always praised in magazines and has a high resale to show for it. If those Buicks can boast the same then so be it but you know they cant and your point is trash

The RSX is/was a great car unlike the Buicks mentioned and apparently you have a hard time understanding that

Yeah CA36GTP, and don’t forget 1115’s fuzzy resale math fact neglecting reality; namely that ….

……. 27,000 ÷ 40,000 = 90% Resale Value (if you paid 10k over MSRP of 30k)

and

……. 21,000 ÷ 23,000 = 70% Resale Value (if you paid 7k under MSRP of 30k)

Yeah Alejandro , and don’t forget to copy and paste the post where I typed that

It’s up above, moron-boy….

Comment by tripleonefive:
….. “Your “actual” numbers dont mean ****! You have to go by the books.”

Your beloved books divide by MSRP, and not actual pice paid. All I did was apply numbers to your precious book calculations to expose the idiocy of all that you hold dear, other than the 8×10 glossy of Rosie O’Donnell in your left hand and your pimple-dick in your right.

That’s pretty much the “1115 trifecta:” Honda, Rosie, and 1115’s pimple-dick.

LOL
So you expect me to beleive that you went in the books (KBB I’m guessing) and made your own calculations? Then after that you write a post claiming that I quoted those exact numbers. This is after your bogus story about how some guy offered you more than what your Ford was worth which means he offered you some pocket change lol
..on top of that you mentioned that warthog Rosie again. Stop it she turned you down and she doesnt want you so why obesess over her. You my lawn mowing friend are the idiot

We shall all note that 1115 does not deny his pimple-dick, thereby making it a small and sorry fact of his life, thus explaining his psychotic love of Hondas (which are primarily driven by soccer-moms).

Sorry CA! Lol. I’ll just stick to ‘CA’ or ‘CA36′ in the future. Those are pretty easy to confuse

In the automotive world, 2007 is LAST year and 2006 would be two years ago. Also, if you go to Buick’s website, you will see Buick’s lineup and see that it does not include their old cars. Do you understand now?

Next, when have you ever bought a car (assuming you have one) and actually paid MSRP price for it? MSRP price is a book value, and so is KBB value. It can be negotiated. If you are uneducated and don’t check KBB before you trade your car in to get an idea for what its worth, you could get a lot less for it than you deserve. On the other hand, a dealer can show you KBB value and offer more than that in order to make you a deal so you would buy from him. The point is, KBB and MSRP values are both things that give you AN IDEA for what something is worth. They are not set in stone.

If you were Buick would you inclde the Terazza the Rendezvous and the Ranier in your lineup lol ha Even Bucik is ashamed of those vehicles
Unfortunetely they are 2007 models and you have to live with it
MSRP PRSM whatever the Accord and Civic have the highest resale % of any car especially some Ford or GM
I love that you are trying your hardest to dance around the facts

An example of a “FACT”: The shirt is blue

Another example: The Lucerne, Lacrosse, and Enclave are the only models listed on Buick’s website as part of their lineup. That fact proves that the Rendevous and Rainier and Terraza are NOT part of their lineup. I don’t understand what is so difficult about that?

You avoided what I said about MSRP and KBB values never being set in stone. No one goes EXACTLY by those values.

The Rendevous and Rainier and Terraza are 2007 models that are part of their lineup. I don’t understand what is so difficult about that?

“They are CURRENT models in the lineup.”

Fluffer: feel free to look up the new inventory of any Buick dealer in the nation. They’ll only have Lucerne, Lacrosse and (maybe) Enclave. Check the used inventory. Sure you’ll regularly find one- and two-year old accords and pilots.

Some Japanese cars are better than some cars from elsewhere in the world.

CA36GTP: way to call the Fluffer on its BS at 8:34 p.m. on the 24th.

The Enclave is MUCH better than both Pilots and both Highlanders. And The Rendezvous is, too. But probably not the Rondo.

Commodore: I do like the way the H-Pilot looks. I ain’t no hypocrite.

CA36GTP: “The Lambdas are much superior to the old GMT-360s, but that’s not to say the GMT-360s were bad.”

That’s real.

“The Highlander is better, but I hate Toyota’s current styling that makes it look like a stretched and bloated Camry.”
It’s Camry-based.

“By that logic, should we still consider the RSX part of Acura’s line-up since dealerships still sell a new one every now and then, compare it to the Astra and Rabbit, and slag Honda off?”

No, it’s wrong to say anything bad about Honda or especially about its faux-luxury division. Liar!

This here is pure comedy “the RSX is a great car that is sporty, reliable, has a great resale and excellent build quality.”
I damn near fell off my chair. Glad for the armrests.

So they are not 2007 models like the Buicks. If there is a 2007 RSX available then I agree with you.

Fluffer: “The RSX … is worth a lot of money.” To whom? And Rosie doesn’t want any of us.

We shall all note that 1115 does not deny his pimple-dick, thereby making it a small and sorry fact of his life, thus explaining his psychotic love of Hondas (which are primarily driven by soccer-moms).

Commodore: Nice try, with your attempt to explain to the Fluffer what a fact is. I’ve whipped out Merriam-Webster on his ass thrice, and he still doesn’t get it. He wouldn’t even admit that the CTS is a better car than the Yaris!

lamboz get a life “The Terraza, Rendezvous, and Rainer are from GM’s old bad way of thinking. Reliable look-a-like waste of dealership space with little to no value.” You have nailed it. Unlike 1115, who’s never nailed anything.

I know jackjim. He is such a moron. He cannot understand that they are not part of Buick’s lineup. If they were, they would be on his website!! Idiot. And he ignored all the other things I said because he cannot defend himself there. I mean, he gave up on the MSRP values argument and everything else

I’ve said before, it’s hard not to argue with a fool…

ahh retrospect . . . 90k vs 650k

Japanese build quality? lol

Never nailed anything lol funny back in the 8-0 when you owned a Tempo lol
MSRP argument is your burden to prove.The # 1 resale car is the Civic for years running no other vehicle has a higher % Your argument is defeated Oh wait its the TSX Either way its Japanese so when Im wrong Im still right
Look it up. Ricardo came up with some Bs story and you went along with it bc you want GM to be “considered” lol
I hope you JJT and Lamboz do what you like to talk about on this site You guys seem like you like each other Its sweet lol
Bottom line GM recalls are a regular occurrence and the “new” GM including the 2007 Rendezvous Ranier and Terazza are all examples of the GM pattern of making unreliable ****
In 2017 maybe they can be taken seriously but I highly doubt it
enjoy your night guys
Japanese car are superior the quicker you admit the easier it will be

First tempo was an ‘84 model. Is it as cold in North Holywood as it is in North County?

1115: Resale value is theoretical at best

Some Japanese cars are indeed superior to some cars made elswhere.I’ve been admitting that since I dated a girl who had a Nissan Stanza.

It is a fluffer

No resale is real just like you are a loser janitor is real Theoretical is you claiming to drive a CIvic that last 91 k when every one else get 300k out of them or more