1115: Resale value is theoretical at best

Some Japanese cars are indeed superior to some cars made elswhere.I’ve been admitting that since I dated a girl who had a Nissan Stanza.

Japanese build quality? lol

Fluffer: feel free to look up the new inventory of any Buick dealer in the nation. They’ll only have Lucerne, Lacrosse and (maybe) Enclave. Check the used inventory. Sure you’ll regularly find one- and two-year old accords and pilots.

Some Japanese cars are better than some cars from elsewhere in the world.

CA36GTP: way to call the Fluffer on its BS at 8:34 p.m. on the 24th.

The Enclave is MUCH better than both Pilots and both Highlanders. And The Rendezvous is, too. But probably not the Rondo.

Commodore: I do like the way the H-Pilot looks. I ain’t no hypocrite.

CA36GTP: “The Lambdas are much superior to the old GMT-360s, but that’s not to say the GMT-360s were bad.”

That’s real.

“The Highlander is better, but I hate Toyota’s current styling that makes it look like a stretched and bloated Camry.”
It’s Camry-based.

“By that logic, should we still consider the RSX part of Acura’s line-up since dealerships still sell a new one every now and then, compare it to the Astra and Rabbit, and slag Honda off?”

No, it’s wrong to say anything bad about Honda or especially about its faux-luxury division. Liar!

This here is pure comedy “the RSX is a great car that is sporty, reliable, has a great resale and excellent build quality.”
I damn near fell off my chair. Glad for the armrests.

So they are not 2007 models like the Buicks. If there is a 2007 RSX available then I agree with you.

Fluffer: “The RSX … is worth a lot of money.” To whom? And Rosie doesn’t want any of us.

We shall all note that 1115 does not deny his pimple-dick, thereby making it a small and sorry fact of his life, thus explaining his psychotic love of Hondas (which are primarily driven by soccer-moms).

Commodore: Nice try, with your attempt to explain to the Fluffer what a fact is. I’ve whipped out Merriam-Webster on his ass thrice, and he still doesn’t get it. He wouldn’t even admit that the CTS is a better car than the Yaris!

lamboz get a life “The Terraza, Rendezvous, and Rainer are from GM’s old bad way of thinking. Reliable look-a-like waste of dealership space with little to no value.” You have nailed it. Unlike 1115, who’s never nailed anything.

Another example: The Lucerne, Lacrosse, and Enclave are the only models listed on Buick’s website as part of their lineup. That fact proves that the Rendevous and Rainier and Terraza are NOT part of their lineup. I don’t understand what is so difficult about that?

You avoided what I said about MSRP and KBB values never being set in stone. No one goes EXACTLY by those values.

In the automotive world, 2007 is LAST year and 2006 would be two years ago. Also, if you go to Buick’s website, you will see Buick’s lineup and see that it does not include their old cars. Do you understand now?

Next, when have you ever bought a car (assuming you have one) and actually paid MSRP price for it? MSRP price is a book value, and so is KBB value. It can be negotiated. If you are uneducated and don’t check KBB before you trade your car in to get an idea for what its worth, you could get a lot less for it than you deserve. On the other hand, a dealer can show you KBB value and offer more than that in order to make you a deal so you would buy from him. The point is, KBB and MSRP values are both things that give you AN IDEA for what something is worth. They are not set in stone.

Comment by tripleonefive:
….. “Your “actual” numbers dont mean shit! You have to go by the books.”

Your beloved books divide by MSRP, and not actual pice paid. All I did was apply numbers to your precious book calculations to expose the idiocy of all that you hold dear, other than the 8×10 glossy of Rosie O’Donnell in your left hand and your pimple-dick in your right.

That’s pretty much the “1115 trifecta:” Honda, Rosie, and 1115′s pimple-dick.

……. 27,000 ÷ 40,000 = 90% Resale Value (if you paid 10k over MSRP of 30k)

and

……. 21,000 ÷ 23,000 = 70% Resale Value (if you paid 7k under MSRP of 30k)

The RSX despite how you feel about the engine was an Acura and it is worth a lot of money is always praised in magazines and has a high resale to show for it. If those Buicks can boast the same then so be it but you know they cant and your point is trash

The RSX is/was a great car unlike the Buicks mentioned and apparently you have a hard time understanding that

As for the old Buicks, the Rendezvous and Rainier weren’t bad cars. But they DID get trapped in the limbo period between SUVs and CUVs. Hence why the Enclave is doing so well in comparison. My mother owns a GMC Envoy, and as much as she loves it and it isn’t a bad car, she wishes she could afford to trade into an Acadia. The Lambdas are much superior to the old GMT-360s, but that’s not to say the GMT-360s were bad. They had their failings, but much of their lack of sales success was that they ran for a year or two too long before the Lambdas hit full production.

One thing I have to say about the Envoy is it had a CRAPLOAD of options built into a decent price. The Acadia is even more impressive, and I imagine the Enclave even one-ups that. The only thing the Envoy lacked was a nav.

As for the Pilot, I don’t know how it would compare except on paper, because you couldn’t get me into something that ugly to try it out.

The Highlander is better, but I hate Toyota’s current styling that makes it look like a stretched and bloated Camry. I find it unusual that 1115 would bring it up as an example of Japanese superiority, as it seems to be littered with the same cheap buttons and knobs that are so criticized on domestic vehicles. I like the seat quality, however. The walk-through ability seems cool on paper as well, though I’m not so sure I would appreciate it as much trying to drive while people are walking around inside my car.

And who really gives a crap. The Buick Rendezvous was actually a nice vehicle, it handled and rode well, the interior isn’t bad at all, plenty of space (better than a minivan). I don’t know about the Buick Rainier, but I do know it had slow sales.

The Pilot is three years old!! Even the Edge beats it out. Those “car magazines” which you talked about in the other thread — when have they ever (recently) rated the Pilot highly compared to other crossovers? The CX-7 and GM’s Lambdas always win ALL comparisons.
Gift: http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7095178

Translation: “I know I’m using the wrong model year to compare “current” cars, but I don’t care because acknowledging that would undermine my biased argument.”

Look at the GM sales catalog – the only Buicks are the Lucerne, Lacrosse, and Enclave. I know it would help your argument if the other ones were part of the line-up but……sorry, GM is smarter than that.

To kill your point about it being one year of recalls for Toyoda:
QUOTE
“Although we’ve barely passed mid-February, Toyota has already recalled! 533,417 vehicles this year in a mix that, according to http://www.AutoRecalls.us, includes Tundras Sequoias and Camry’s. That puts Toyota on track to recall more than the over 1.76 million autos they recalled in the U.S. and Japan in 2006, and the 2.2 million they recalled in 2005 when they recalled more cars than they built.”

If you can count, 2005-2007 are THREE years of bad performance. There is your track record for imports. And notice how I cited the past 3 years because they are relevant. After all, I don’t think either of us is interested in buying 80s or 90s cars so let me stop you before you even mention “GM’s track record from 20 years ago is…….blah blah blah”.

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lol what was that cardesigner5

Ya don’t do that, you might make Fords look good. And that’s just not right.

It is like not sticking to your story. And I have stuck to what I am saying – that people should consider all cars, American or not, and buy them based on which is the best rather than believing that cars from Asia are supreme. I have consistently disproven the myths about Japanese cars and how they are reliable when in fact they are THE MOST recalled this year, and so on and so forth (unlike you, I am not going to repeat myself for the 3045943 time).

The Magnum is being killed off my Chrysler. As for the 300, I hope that it is updated because, while it is still a great car, it would not be smart to let it sit there for nearly a decade like Toyoda did with the Corolla (which, after it was redesigned, still didn’t get significant changes). You do have a point though that cars must be constantly updated or else they lose their image (look at the Taurus). But see, you WANT to believe that GM will forget about its products and let them rot when in fact a new Aura is coming in about 2 years (when the current one has been out for ONE year). I am not sure you can do it so… 1 + 2 = 3 years!

You don’t even have a clue how resale value is determined. Do you think KBB sits there are is like “um, this car is Japanese so it will have good resale, and this car is domestic (ew!) so it will have bad resale”. That is not how it works. There are things that determine resale and so far all of them point to the fact that the Enclave will have GREAT resale, probably better than the current Pilot. Comparing the Rainier/Rendevous with the Enclave is like comparing apples and oranges. It IS, however, a great indicator of old GM vs the NEW gm.

“Good luck with your boat”? Who is that directed at? And more importantly, what century do you live in??! And again, current recall numbers are in the domestics’ favor, so your Accord is much more likely to get recalled than my CTS.

Good luck with your boat and if you like it then more power to you but dont try and say that it will be worth more than the Japanese competition when it has no track record to prove that.
It had a small recall already and based on GMs history it will be recalled again and again and they will try and avoid recalling it then GM will be forced to bc someone will get hurt .

What real numbers are you talking about? One sale of a Ford truck in where? California ? Please, the books are the guideline. Lets say you did have that offer and you didnt’ take it You wont get that offer again. Someone is going to look at the book value and offer you less bc its a Ford and its a truck lol You are fool if you didn’t get rid of that POS Ford when you had the chance
When did I say someone who paid 40 k for a car sold it for 30k ? When did I say that you lost 7k off a car ?
You are reaching far this time The only thing I said is that you dare challenge the Honda Accords resale vs some Ford