GM needs to hire the guy in those Ricola cough drop commercials. They could show him running down the side of the hill yelling ‘re-call-a, re-call-a’ as a Traverse with a snapped brake cable is about to run him over.

Ain’t no thang, right GM homers?

WOW…. Talk about having dirt kicked in your face when your down… Not a good time for GM fan boys to be parading, We all know they will get pass it all, but DAMN!!!

rofl! Nice

But I think it would be better for someone like Ford or Toyota to hire that guy, they don’t even have to tell anyone it was them that made the ad. Just keep kicking GM while they’re down ya know?

Johnny, that is some funny siht!

omg 1115 jerk me off and call me steve

…and i have another question, why would anyone put their car in neutral and put the parking brake on? there are no manual versions of the traverse, and to get your keys out of the ignition the vehicle has to be in ‘park’.

and why is the parking brake in the traverse any different from the parking brake in the Acadia, Outlook, and Enclave for that matter – all of which were not recalled?

I think A4 may have a point there… I’ve never seen ANYONE leave an automatic in neutral, if it’s possible depending on the car. (I wouldn’t really know, I like having a clutch)

i bet 1115 ran to the chevy dealer, test drove a traverse and thought of every possibly way he could fcuk $hit up.
this being one of them

an automatic transmission in neutral with the keys in the ignition still, because they cant be removed unless in park?

who would do such a thing anyway?

…a toyota driver. good call bigs, good call.

Lest 1115 think I’m making excuses for GM, let it be known that I’m certainly not. Having worked several years as a GM mechanic I’ve seen some truly silly recalls, made even sillier by the fact that even as the recall is announced no production changes were made (such as PCM corrosion in J-bodies because the PCM was mounted in the front wheelwell, the worst possible place to mount a PCM).

That being said, the only reason parking brakes even exist anymore is to force people that live in areas that have annual safety inspections to buy new cables every year. Seriously, the parking/emergency brake became obsolete the day split braking systems were mandated, back in the mid 60’s. Even if BOTH hydraulic brake systems in your car failed, reefing on the emergency brake would only make you spin 180 degrees and hit whatever it was you were trying to avoid arse first instead of head first. They’re only useful in standard transmission vehicles now, to hold the car in place on a steep hill or when idling in neutral (and since standard transmissions seem to be going extinct, much to my chagrin, they will have no use whatsoever soon).

Thunder Chicken I sure hope they never get rid of the manual transmission… But alas, how does one talk on a cell phone and eat dinner and work a lap top and change clothes while changing gears? Most people my age (20ish) are too lazy to learn how to use a clutch, or think it’s “too hard”.

Well, at least it’s nice to know that if someone tries to steal my car chances are they wouldn’t even be able to get it into gear… (Wait, wheres D? Dude wheres the D? Whats this extra pedal? WTF?)

if the manual transmission dies i may as well go with it. i’ll never buy a GTI or any other hot little sporty car with an automatic or a manumatic for that matter.

A4- I’m a Toyota driver, and I can’t imagine doing that (my car is an automatic).

So I too would like to hear 1115’s words of wisdom.

I have said nothing yet if it were a Toyota recall you guys are all over it

omg 1115 jerk me off and call me steve- No thanks Im sure Big46 will do that for you You were outdone in the Volt thread (oh and I added this to the recalls as well) and now. This **** is amazing

est 1115 think I’m making excuses for GM – TOO EASY LOL

I love how Im soo right and you guys are soo wrong but Im proven right time and time again. I barely have to try at this point

That post was so stupid but you cant defend GM and you know it so silly post it is

I thought the Traverse was the NEW GM ??? Pathetic A$ SJ Big Monte etc etc

Where is Injuraiv oh thats right he’s probably homeless now

Ah joy, the Toyota/GM wars.

Where logic, reason, and intelligence are tossed out the window.

Let the flame wars begin!

Once again, I have to ask Where is Need More KoolAid for GM? Have to love GM quality. They keep shooting themselves in the foot. Bankruptcy and poor quality seem to go hand-in-hand with GM.

1115- You know, you make it really hard for other people who like imports around here.

Like me.

The only difference is, I’m reasonable. You’re not, and that’s why people give you a hard time.

Fanboys either way are a pain in the ass.

Stop misrepresenting.

Thanks GM keep it up

Hell im a VWAG fanboy, and I’m more than happy to admit that there are quality issues with them, I’m on my 4th VWAG vehicle and all of them have had their share of expensive problems, but 1115 is just plain unfair towards American marques, especially when they are making the best cars they ever have, and have quality among the best, with a similar number of recalls as Toyota, if not less. Plus I despise anything Toyota does that doesn’t involve the Tacoma.

Now a4 VW FAG Fanboy huh ?? is acting like a bitch Unfair towards american cars On top of that he is lying bc if you check the VOLT thread I showed that GM recalls outnumber Toyota recalls by well over 1 million and they are all GMs old and new
NHTSA dropped the investigation into Tacomas however they havent dropped the investigation into GM truck fires
You Caddy V SJ Monte Injuraiv have been officially shut down

Oh and how many jerks said it was 300 Camaros that were recalled —-
GM says it is recalling 1,243 Camaro SS

1115, I don’t CARE what you say. I barely even bother reading it. IF there is anything intelligent in that mindless GM bashing Toyota worshipping babble you spit out it’s lost on anyone who reads your replies because you’re so overtly biased that no one can take a word you say seriously.

BTW, I don’t even like GM, or Toyota, or VWAG… I like Ford but I’ll take my Kawasaki over any car yall offer me anyday.

I KNOW he’s gonna bash me for that…

1115, I don’t CARE what you say.- Now that is just not true. Everyone cares what I have to say bc the truth hurts
Ford is in better shape financially than GM but their product sux just as much and they lie in their commercials by saying they are “unsurpassed” and organize their own bias studies. One good thing I will say is that the Ford Taurus interior design is almost on the level of the interior designs of the Japanese 2 but they are unproven piles until they show they can stand the test of time

My problem is not your “facts” or your “truth”.

I’ve seen lots of “facts” and “statistics” and how anyone can cherry pick and manipulate them to suit an argument, I’ve spotted import fans as well as domestic fans do it.

My problem is that you present YOUR “facts”, “truths”, and opinions as infallible while belittling the arguments of anyone who disagrees with you.

Then you dance around proclaiming your “victory” over the people who in your opinion should (quoting from the Volt story) “Should stay in their place”

I’m sure you make yourself feel good, but the ENTIRE point of my previous post was NOT your argument, but how you PRESENT it and treat the people you argue with, you’re not convincing anyone to buy a Toyota, but I’m not really sure what you’re trying to accomplish.

BTW, totally called you ripping on Ford, nice to see you chose to pick on the cars I prefer rather than spend any time dwelling on what I actually said…

Gonna pick on bikes too?

Thunder chicken, the reason auto trans still have e-brakes (besides safety reasons) is so you can apply the brake before you put the trans in to park on a steep hill. This keeps the parking pawl in the trans from being overloaded and stuck, which makes it hard/impossible to shift out of park.

1115, you don’t know sh1t about american or jap autos, Nissan is better than honda and toyota, but yet you never mention them, what gives? Also you never mention euro autos which are much nicer than any thing japan has. And why can’t anyone in asia make a vehicle that looks good? All either super bland or performance models have a fish mouth front end.

monte, if there was a single manufacturer that could make a good car look better, than there would really be no point in having 7+ brands to buy from, right? You want a good daily car? Get a Civic. You want a fun car? Go buy a Corvette. You want status? Buy a Mercedes. You want reliability?

Buy a horse, or walk.

Lau, you are exactly right, I was just trying to point out some typical styling differences between major autos from different contenents.

Hey no worries, I was just making a joke, nothing against you at all!

Yeah, I know. Some other people on here could use a little humor too.

lolol Johnnycanuck, that was a good one! Well GM, you can put lipstick on a pig but…

2WheeledSpeed- My problem is that you present YOUR “facts”, “truths”, and opinions as infallible while belittling the arguments of anyone who disagrees with you.

If you would read the posts you will see that bc I speak the truth. The people on this board can’t take it and resort to insults; fortunately I’m great at insults as well so I still come out on top

2WheeledSpeed – Then you dance around proclaiming your “victory” over the people who in your opinion should (quoting from the Volt story) “Should stay in their place”

Well, I have never actually “proclaimed victory” but no one has been able to defeat my arguments that the Japanese 2 are better than the Detroit 3. I have stuck to my point about resale reliability etc and the recalls are still higher from D3 GM especially. At every turn I win and people like Monte should stay in their place bc they provide no evidence to dispute my claims. He thought he could not read the thread and make a comment which he was dealt with appropriately many times

2WheeledSpeed -You’re not convincing anyone to buy a Toyota, but I’m not really sure what you’re trying to accomplish.
What you fail to understand is that I don’t care what anyone buys but if things such as resale reliability and quality matter than Toyota and Honda have the edge over GM, Chrysler and Ford. Don’t buy a GM or Ford or Chrysler until they prove that they make reliable safe cars and don’t buy them just bc they are American.
When I got on this board there were people telling untruths by saying that GM was equal to Toyota and Honda in reliability when there is not a shred of evidence to support that.

MONTE -1115, you don’t know sh1t about American or Japanese autos
- I think if you check the VOLT thread and this thread you will see that you are a dolt who has been proven wrong several times. Like I said you are embarrassed and you should be. I also like to stick to my original argument and keep it simple for people like you
I don’t mention Nissan bc my argument doesn’t not involve them It involves the companies that I mentioned about D3 and J 2
If there is evidence that Nissan is “better” than Toyota or Honda then please provide it otherwise stop embarrassing yourself.
By the way it’s Continents

Hey, wait. Look on the bright side… GM sold over 43,000 vehicles! Oh, wait. 42,995 are still on the dealer lots.

111GUY:
I didn’t even post anything and you brought my name up. Are you thinking out me when I’m not around?

I’m not going to get into in with you because like everyone else on this site knows it’s a waist of time, but
I’m not going to even look into the numbers and just agree with you that GM has more recalls that toy-yo-DAA. There is one good reason for that besides the one sided reasons you have. GM has out sold every car maker in the world for the past 77 years so that must mean they have more cars on the road. So when there is a recall ( for what ever reason ) they will have more because they sell more. Come on your smarter than that just look at the sales numbers for last month there is more proof of what I’m talking about.

A4- You might be a fan, but when I say “fanboy”, I mean the kind of fan who can accept nothing other than the brand they happened to choose as their baby. You don’t seem like that kind of guy, at least not as bad as 1115. I mean, people need to look at everything a bit more squarely.

And 1115, YOU need to realize that no automaker has ever achieved the perfection you’d like to think your Toyota and Honda have. But they learned from their mistakes, and that’s what makes them so good. That’s the process GM is in, they might be having to be forced to learn from them, but at least it’s happening. Antagonizing anyone for that fact isn’t going to do anything except make you a weak internet troll.

If there are no mistakes, there can be no improvement.

CADDY-V
Toyota also has the added sales advantage of their home market.The market in Japan is closed to all non Japanese auto manufacturers. Imagine if the Hyundai’s VW’s ect ect had access to Japan. Toyota may still be number 3 or 4 manufacturer in the world. Also in their home market they have been found criminally negligent on numerous occasions because of knowledge about serious safety issues with their vehicles and refusing to correct them.

Bubs Solo:
A nother good point to add to the list.

Ah GM truly is a pathetic brand with even more pathetic loyal fans. BUbs SOlo, you are very wrong saying Japans market is closed to all non Japanese cars. Have you been to Japan? I’ve been twice, and I see plenty of Benzes, and BMW’s, also a you see some VW’s, Volvo’s, and Porsche’s. The airport bus I took into the city was a Renault bus. Its just that American cars aren’t good enough to be sold in Japan. Aside from its reputation for less than average quality, American cars are too big and thirsty to be popular on Japanese roads. But even in Europe which has roads that can easily accomodate the biggest SUV’s, you barely seen any American cars on European roads because Europeans also are aware of its below average quality. These recalls just prove that GM and the rest of Detriot don’t know how to build cars good enough to compete in other markets. GM sucks

Did someone yell, “SWORD FIGHT!” in here.
They can recall all of their cars 10X each. I would still rather drive a Corvette, Camaro, CTS-V, Solstice GXP or G8 over any current Toy/Honda product. IS-F is nice but would you ever buy one over M3?

im still waiting for someone to say “lets settle this by the swingset during recess.” forum whoring at its best.
now for my IRRELEVANT opinion – if GM can get its act together and come out of this with its core brands intact, itll be an uphill battle to achieve the sales numbers it has over the last decade. and then there is quality control, which seems to be getting out of hand, but im sure most companies have just as many problems as weve seen the last few weeks from GM. the only difference is GM is under a giant microscope right now and the masses are only getting more scrutinizing.
as far as toyota being the end all be all of quality and whatever BS 1115 is spewing, theyve done some very good things on that front. i drive a 99 tacoma with 150k miles and have had very few issues with it(the most pressing being the steering mechanism i shattered while off roading, completely my own fault). unfortunately, toyotas current lineup of vehicles is about as interesting as white bread. the pickup segment is about the only “fun” you will find in a toyota, and even the new ones are lacking compared to other offerings.

1115, if finding a typo in my text is winning, then yes, you got me. Wow, that really stings!
Is there any proof nissan isn’t? Just because you claim to have won an arguement doesn’t make it true. I also notice you didn’t comment on japs appearance, must agree then. Did I miss anything?

111GUY:
I didn’t even post anything and you brought my name up. Are you thinking out me when I’m not around?
I know you would like that but no. When I get on the board and see that there is a recall from a ****ty car company I think about one ****tier company within that company and its just natural that your name is brought up.
On the rare occasion that there is a minor Japanese recall you and every other idiot mention me more than you mention the subject at hand so you know the deal. I can tell you are running out of material
I’m not going to get into in with you because like everyone else on this site knows it’s a waist of time, but I’m not going to even look into the numbers and just agree with you that GM has more recalls that Toyota.
You have no choice. I proved my point over and over again All you have is opinions and stubbornness
There is one good reason for that besides the one sided reasons you have. GM has out sold every car maker in the world for the past 77 years so that must mean they have more cars on the road. So when there is a recall ( for what ever reason ) they will have more because they sell more.
I love seeing you scramble for an answer lol Its so funny You are out of steam my POS car driving friend
Come on your smarter than that just look at the sales numbers for last month there is more proof of what I’m talking about.
I am smarter than that and you so what I can look at GM shutting down plants and closing brands then having recalls on their old and new products. I think that trumps your “sales” data to shreds
Shameful Are the GM recalls “MONSTERS” as well ???

Monte
Still at it huh ?

I corrected your spelling for your own good not to “sting ” you, I have already done that several times

As far as the Nissan thing thanks for providing proof, until you do that I will not answer any of your nonsensical questions

Also you asked for a million mile Japanese vehicle and I provided a million mile Honda car and a second Honda with 940k. I noticed that you shut up on that so its did I miss anything ??

Its just another example of your failure to make any good points. No matter what you have done I have had a better answer. I’m guessing that you are hoping to redeem yourself but it’s highly doubtful that will happen

Look up the definition of the word proof. Just stating something and then later saying it’s fact doesn’t make it true. You can’t actually prove toyota is better and no one else can prove it’s not. People can state different reasons why the think one car is better than another, looks, performance, longevity, ect….
and weigh the different options, but it is in no way actual proof. The only thing you prove on here is what a loser you are.

You haven’t proven anything nor provided any statements while I have.
The loser is the person who can’t provide proof and tries to change the subject.
I see you are being very whiny now but remember you brought this on yourself for talking out of line

Provide some proof to anything you are saying

Talking out of line? Go f*ck yourself. Also I just looked back, you never posted anything about the high mileage hondas, besides I don’t stay in threads when they get old. I hope you’re not the same in life as online, I feel sorry for the people around you. I guess it’s good you never come out of your moms basement.

111LOST:
For a guy with all the facts and answers you sure danced around my whole comment. Is that because I was right? Can you give a strait yes or no answer? If not I can only assume you must be female?
Let”s start at the top of your BS responce With no answers to my questions, just talk.

“When I get on the board and see that there is a recall from a ****ty car company I think about one ****tier company within that company and its just natural that your name is brought up.”
So let me get this part straight I’m a ****tier company in a ***ty company? WTF?? I’ll need more info on how your head works to trually understand what you mean there, but it get’s better so let’s move on.

“On the rare occasion that there is a minor Japanese recall you and every other idiot mention me more than you mention the subject at hand so you know the deal.”
That is you again. This might be the funniest part. I love you choice wording ” rare occasion” and the big winner “minor”.

“I can tell you are running out of material”
Ya…how can you tell?

“You have no choice. I proved my point over and over again All you have is opinions and stubbornness”
You made zero point in everything you said. That last part if that’s not the horse calling the kettle black.

“I love seeing you scramble for an answer lol Its so funny You are out of steam my POS car driving friend”
So I’m scrambling for an answer? You didn’t ever answer MY question. I’ll give you another chance and a simple yes or no will do enough dancing around fact’s. Was GM the #1 car company in the WORLD for 77 years in a row? Remember yes or no answers only. The because of that FACT does GM have more car’s on the road than any other car maker? Again yes or no works here too.
POS car driving friend? Do you even know what kind of car I drive?

“I am smarter than that and you so what”
Ya..Well I know you are but what am I? Grow up.

“I can look at GM shutting down plants and closing brands then having recalls on their old and new products. I think that trumps your “sales” data to shreds Shameful Are the GM recalls “MONSTERS” as well ???”
You answered your own question there. Closing brands and factories probably go hand and hand, and every car company has recalls get your head out of your a**. I’m still waiting for you answer on that “sales” data. Gm could close more plants and the still would have more than the j3 do. Come on buddy GM pays more people retirement money in this country than the j3 even employee.

Get back to me when you get the chance.I’ll be waiting for those yes or no answers.

Get back to me when you get the chance. I’ll be waiting for those yes or no answers
—-When you stop asking trick questions and start asking valid questions then I will answer them with a simple yes or no. Please refine the questions. I wish it could be that simple with you but sorry You can take it how you want

Was GM the #1 car company in the WORLD for 77 years in a row?
— Refine the question I don’t dance around the facts Call things MONSTERS and ask silly questions about who is # 1. Number one is reserved for the best car manufacturer and that is the company with the resale and reliability which in this case is not GM .
Also ask yourself if GM was the #1 car company in the world would make reliable cars with high resale values and great quality? Also if they are the #1 car company in the world wouldn’t they be in a better financial state??

The because of that FACT does GM have more car’s on the road than any other car maker? Again yes or no works here too.
–They have the most recalls and lower resale value than their J@ competition . That is not #1 so please refine your question

POS car driving friend? Do you even know what kind of car I drive?
—You are driving a MONSTER car who since its inception has had a problem with its rear axle, a monster indeed Its called the Catera Touring Sedan

“I am smarter than that and you so what”
Ya..Well I know you are but what am I? Grow up.
–Sad I see that you are resorting to childish sayings. Based on the evidence i provided and the eveidence that you failed to provide The argument is in my favor

“I can look at GM shutting down plants and closing brands then having recalls on their old and new products.
—–I think that trumps your “sales” data to shreds Shameful Are the GM recalls “MONSTERS” as well ???” You never answered this with a yes or no …..

You answered your own question there. Closing brands and factories probably go hand and hand, and every car company has recalls get your head out of your a**.

—-Yes but GM has MORE recalls and the ones they have are more severe than floor mats or exhaust tips on Toyotas

I’m still waiting for you answer on that “sales” data. Gm could close more plants and the still would have more than the j3 do.

Come on buddy GM pays more people retirement money in this country than the j3 even employee.

—Once again more doesn’t make them #1.It’s J2 buddy and once again I don’t care about retirement. I care about the reliability and quality of my vehicle. I guess whatever J2 is doing is working bc they have better longer lasting vehicles than D3 GM Especially
.

1115
what is resale??? that is totally subjective to the purchase price at new. A 3 years old Lamborghini will sell for much more than a 3 year old Camry.

Also I was at an auction once and they were selling Fords And Chevys and Dodges and other domestics at ridicules prices, but no corollas or celicas . What was the name of the auction??? Oh yeah Barret-Jackson was the name.

Please explain to me 1115.

death man walking…..huahahahahahha

111Talk:
Now we are getting some where. I see it is going to take a while, but you said yes one time. I love to see progress from you.
OK I’ll ask you the question in a different way so we can see more progress. Did GM out sell every car maker in the world for 77 years in a row all the way up till last year? and please none of you insite on other topics, just a yes or no. If this goes well I have other questions. I really hope you pull this of I’m rooting for you.

Bubs Solo:
Barret-Jackson is the sh*t hours and hours of great cars.I don’t recall any J3 cars on there. I could be wrong, but I do see alot of muscle cars. I guess some people like GM they usually have more cars in the top 10 than anyone. I’ve even see chevys go for a Mil+, you don’t see any j3 and I mean any going for numbers even close to that.

1115…..what are you going to say about the problems on the brand new ( 40 miles old ) Camaro???

Actually I didnt say yes to your question the Yes was in response to every car company has recalls GM just happens to have a lot more You still havent answered my questions so we will try again

Is it not true that GM has MORE recalls and more severe recalls than Toyota or Honda?You can site the volt thread to see

Does GM have the most recalls vehicles and lower resale value than their J2 competition? Please answer yes or no

If GM was the #1 car company in the world why havent they made reliable cars with high resale values and great quality? Also if they are the #1 car company in the world wouldn’t they be in a better financial state??

You answer me and Ill answer you just so you know who runs the show. Unfortunately for you the facts are on my side

elviososa-already spoke on that No need to say more the recall speaks for itself What are you going to say ?

Bubs Please explain to me why most of those cars have crate engines and not the original parts?
Also why have all of them had body work?. Please tell me this, are more people buying new cars or restored cars from BJ or not ? Once you answer that why dont you tell me why Barrett Jackson matters ??
Then you can explain why GM has so many recalls and has lower resale than comparable J2 cars ?

Since you want to ask stupid questions

A4, to add to Monte’s post about the parking brake:

When parking a heavy vehicle with an auto tranny on a hill, if you put it in park, set the parking brake and release the foot brake in that order, the car still rolls back into the locking position on the transmission. This makes it difficult to get the car out of park the next time. Instead, you should set the parking brake, release the foot brake to let the car roll back into “brake” position, and put the transmission into park, in that order. This will save your transmission down the road.

111SLOW:
“You answer me and Ill answer you just so you know who runs the show. Unfortunately for you the facts are on my side”
Answer me and I’ll answer you .PLEASE your over. All the facts on your side. YEP you proved that.

“Bubs Please explain to me why most of those cars have crate engines and not the original parts?
Also why have all of them had body work?. Please tell me this, are more people buying new cars or restored cars from BJ or not ? Once you answer that why dont you tell me why Barrett Jackson matters ??’
I’m not Bubs, but you are proving again how smart you are. I think they call it restoring when they change the parts? It doesn’t mean that there was anything wrong with the original parts, but some people find cars in barns and fix them up. All of them have had body work? you oviouslly don’t watch the show. If you did watch the show you would see that the cars that go for the most money have matching numbers on them( if you know what that means?). That means some of these cars have had all the original parts for 40,50,60,70,and 80+ years. Longer that some of your j3 have even been making cars.

I think he brought up Barret- Jackson because you keep talking about re-sale value and all that is is what someone is WILLING to pay for a car. Since GM sells cars for over a MILLION dollars I think you get his point.

I’m done with you on this one you just don’t get it.

Yeah, what Caddy said!!!

So 1115 explain resale value to me. It seems you forgot to on your last post.

All the facts on your side. YEP you proved that. Well you finally admitted it Once you answer mine bc I have all the facts It will invalidate your bogus questions

I think they call it restoring when they change the parts?- SO they are not the original parts Thanks again
Is gm selling ANY NEW cars for more than 1 000 000 dollars ?

I think he brought up Barret- Jackson because he has no facts to discuss. Its also has nothing to do with the original argument so once he answers the questions I posed to him he will invalidate his questions just like you

I get it I know you are afraid to answer the questions posed. I already had you admit I have the fact You already said that GM has more recalls than Toyota. Now you are struggling and asking silly questions that prove nothing. Car shows and 1932 have nothing to do with anything today

You have to go to bed knowing I am right and you are wrong and sad.You can use any incarnation of 1115 you want but you are a sorry person who cant win an argument, you a ****ty car and you have proven me right once again

You’ve never proclaimed victory yet…

“At every turn I win”

You talk about how you’ve “won” all the time, don’t lie to my face.

And I think you just proved how you consider yourself infallible and just belittle the arguments of anyone who disagrees with you when you say…

“I speak the truth. The people on this board can’t take it and resort to insults; fortunately I’m great at insults as well so I still come out on top”

If you need to, go look up the word “infallible”

I think you have nothing better to do all day then figure out ways to make American companies look bad, and you narrow your focus down to the TWO things you know you can generally find facts to back you up, recalls and resale.

You worship Toyota like my buddies back in Texas worshipped their football teams, it’s a little pathetic.

A good car is a good car, period. And I respect cars from America, Europe, and Japan for doing whatever job they do well. You need to stop breathing exhaust fumes and realize that just because GM might have it’s issues, that doesn’t mean they can’t build a good car.

111DUMB:
The first production ZR1 went for almost 2MIL. I believe that it came out this year? O… YA it did. All original parts too.

At every turn I win- At every turn I win means no one can disprove my arguments.I provide proof and no one else does
I have never proclaimed VICTORY IS MINE If you can find me saying that more power to you I would love to see where
A good car is a good car, period- No not when its a car that has poor resale quality,reliability and high recalls.

My turn:

TripleOneFive, it’s good that you have a firm opinion on what you like and what is better for you. However, it is only an opinion. It is based on facts and attributes that you desire, but it is still an opinion, whether you like it or not. I also have an opinion about cars. A better car to me is one that handles well, accelerates unexpectedly well, but most importantly, it has a well designed interior (that I like) that is comfortable and doesn’t look cheap. But just because I like those things does not mean I will get those things in my next car. However, interior design tops my list. I can openly see your opinion that you prefer resale value and reliability over all other attributes. I feel my car may be better than yours because it’s quicker in the quarter mile and my whole family can ride comfortably in it while I race you. But you feel your car is better than mine because yours has a higher price on KBB.com and because you seldom need to repair it. Repairs don’t bother me.

The point is this: We will never agree on which is “better.” Why? Because we are different people with different needs and wants. Other than the fact that we like cars and read Left Lane News, there really is no common ground. Just because you have an opinion that is different than mine does not mean that you are wrong. It also does not mean that I am. We are only different.

There IS one part in which you are wrong, though. It has nothing to do with facts, with Toyota, with GM, with cars, or anything else. Where you are wrong is your attitude, your method, your refusal to respect another person’s opinion. Respecting one’s opinion does not mean embracing it as your own. It means acknowledging their opinion, realizing where they stand and why, and accepting that their opinion is different from yours.

Instead, you go about and try to prove why their opinion is wrong. You may feel you succeed in doing so, but you do not. Your writing is entirely transparent, your arguments hold little if any water, you confuse fallacies with real logic, and you present your argument in a manner that is haughty, rude, and not conducive to intellectual thought and stimulation. The only thing you succeed in doing is showing us what a close-minded @$$hole you are.

I have no intention in trying to prove you are wrong in your argument against GM. I respect how you feel about GM and how you feel about Honda and Toyota. You are entitled to that opinion. In the same vein, others are entitled to their opinions and should not be discounted for feeling differently. If you were truly intellectually honest, you would be able to spark meaningful conversation where you can give and receive information. Instead, you choose to give information, and refuse to receive any edification.

One more thing, you have no room to correct anyone else’s spelling. Please refrain from doing so in the future. Your spelling is atrocious, and your sentence structure is worse.

“TO ME AGAIN”

“Once again you cant R E A D and you are O W N E D and F I N I S H ED
Geez this is easy”

“You may go to bed now or better yet make another mindless comment so I can defeat you again”

It took me 30 seconds to find those three things in the volt thread.

I never said you used the phrase “Victory is mine”… But I guess if you want to twist the argument that direction go ahead…

Did you look up the word infallible yet?

And if YOU choose to define a “good” car as having good resale value, reliability, and low recalls well… There are cars from many companies that fit those criteria, even GM…

I define a “Good” car in other ways personally, but that’s just me.

Repairs don’t bother me. – Then you are an idiot
A better car to me is one that handles well, accelerates unexpectedly well, but most importantly, it has a well designed interior (that I like) that is comfortable and doesn’t look cheap. ——Then don’t drive a GM

Your spelling is atrocious, and your sentence structure is worse – Refer to the first comment oh and “Because we are different people with different needs and wants” is a fragment

There always has to be the peacemaker asshole that can’t disprove anything that I say. Since you insulted me I had to retaliate

Once again you cant R E A D and you are O W N E D and F I N I S H ED-
That looks like something that was said to Monte unless you are the same person. If it was to you it may have been bc you didn’t show any proof for your argument that is what you get If you cannot take it then get off the board

The first production ZR1 went for almost 2MIL. I believe that it came out this year? O… YA it did. All original parts too.

WRONG! Barrett-Jackson: First 2009 Corvette ZR1 Sells at Auction for $1,000,000 not over 1 million like I said. YA you are wrong! Lets hope the roof doesn’t fly off

Beatusmongous states his personal opinion and you call him an idiot, which is exactly the point about you he was trying to prove.

MAYBE he isn’t as worried about reliability as you are is because he is able to diagnose, maintain, and repair his own vehicles? Or simply, would rather enjoy his driving experience then drive my grandmothers Camry?

There are people in the world 1115, who don’t add up everything on a calculator or worry about resale values. My friend risks his Jeep by taking it off-roading for FUN, I risk my safety by riding a motorcycle for FUN, my other friend blew the engine on his HONDA drag-racing it for FUN.

Maybe you live life by your boring reliability/safety/resale code, but not me.

And stop deflecting the argument, you DO proclaim victory all the time because you consider your facts and opinions right 100% of the time. Don’t go trying to prove something else. btw none of that was to me, I didn’t even post on the Volt page.

“Repairs don’t bother me. – Then you are an idiot” – This is simply not true. What does not bother me does not make me an “idiot.” If it bothers you, then so be it. I choose to repair my own vehicles, and I enjoy doing it, so therefore it does not bother me.

“Then don’t drive a GM” – I don’t drive a GM. I never said I did.

“Because we are different people with different needs and wants” is a response to the question “Why?”, not a fragment. It is allowed in writing.

“There always has to be the peacemaker asshole that can’t disprove anything that I say. Since you insulted me I had to retaliate.”

I am not a peacemaker. Ask iHustle. The only thing that is being proven is how big of an asshole you are.

111:
You just contradicted your self. You asked if GM sells any new cars for 1MIL and you just proved it. Your facts are dead on that time. I know the car is fast but i’m sure the roof will stay on.

If you had looked at the question you would see that is says

Is gm selling ANY NEW cars for more than 1 000 000 dollars ?

you can scroll up and check The car is fast Im sure and the roof had a recall so It just may fly off So you are WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

I figured this would be the best place to say something that I thought was really funny.

Yesterday, on the way to work, I saw a girl in her car waiting for the 4-way stop sign to turn green. My wife and I laughed.

Later, on my way to pick up my kids from my parents’ house, I saw a guy in his car waiting for the 4-way stop sign to turn green. I thought it was funny, but twice in one day? That was a little weird.

You want funny?

Black Toyota Corolla SS at my college.

I feel bad for the people who can’t spot what’s wrong with that…

1115 said
Barrett-Jackson: First 2009 Corvette ZR1 Sells at Auction for $1,000,000 not over 1 million like I said.

So 1115 would you say that that resale value is much better than a Toyota or way better than a Toyota???

you guys are nuts….longest thread Ive seen on here?? maybe…just goes to show you how americans love to kick a dog when its down….even if its their neighbors dog

Where are my answers BS (fitting) ??
and we will see when that Corvette is RESOLD jackass

Y’all crazy.
Minor Problem.
Great vehicle.

No it wont be sold for nearly as much as that CHARITY paid for it On top of that it the roof may fly off so that will lower the resale
Resale on Toyota is still better AND you still haven’t answered

Bubs Please explain to me why most of those cars have crate engines and not the original parts?
Please tell me this, are more people buying new cars or restored cars from BJ or not ?

Once you answer that why dont you tell me why Barrett Jackson matters ??

Then you can explain why GM has so many recalls and has lower resale than comparable J2 cars ?

No it wont be sold for nearly as much as that CHARITY paid for it

wtf dude wtf GM donated those cars to the united way. The united way got the full million from a private individual who saw the value of that car to be $1000000 and bought it.

Bubs Please explain to me why most of those cars have crate engines and not the original parts?

once again wtf… most of these car are original.

Once you answer that why dont you tell me why Barrett Jackson matters ??

The same reason kbb matters. It doesn’t. I just would like to know if you think a high resale value for a vehicle is directly correlated to a low depreciation value for that said vehicle that’s all. Example car D had a retail price of $32000, in three years it’s worth 17500. Car J had a retail price of $23000 and in three years is worth $15000. Which car has a higher resale value car D or car J. Which one depreciated more in those three years. Which one was the smarter buy?
These are not trick questions I am just curious how you define “higher resale value”.
D or J 1115 D or J

Beatus, what ever happened to ihustle, wasn’t he 1115’s brother from a different mother?

If there were two guys, one named Flippy, and the other Hambone, which one you think would like dolphins the most? You’d probably say, “Flippy,” but you’d be wrong. It’s Hambone.

-Jack Handey

The same reason kbb matters. It does. KBB is used in US courts of law for resale value so unless you are totally against the US Court system then you have to believe.

No bull**** examples just answer the question below
why GM has so many recalls and has lower resale than comparable J2 cars?

Monte is at it again just riding Beatus’s ass now Once again with no comments or proof to back up anything you say
How about the Million mile Hondas? Why don’t you address that buddy???

iHustle is still around. He hangs back a few pages, though. I thought maybe he had been laid off, but I’m hoping I was wrong. At least he doesn’t make those horrible “constipated in the bathroom” noises anymore.

The only asshole big enough to take in a full monte is TripleOneFive.

agreed

Now Bubs is riding Beatus ass You must be sore

Hey 1115– I think that beastus mongus won this argument with the comment that he posted on 5/13 at 7:45 PM. he is absouletely right about having opinions. You are compeletely entitled to your opinion. you do not have the right to try and disprove it. All that does is make yourself more of an idiot. just stop

i mean you do not have the right to disprove someone elses opinion

Hey Aggie –
I think that you joined Bubs and beastus mongus in the “ride”. If he won the argument he won it using sentence fragments which is not proper english so he has no basis on criticizing my grammar. It doesnt matter bc he only mentioned it bc my points are valid and his or hers are not
You are compeletely entitled to your opinion as well but the FACTS speak to my point. When ones opinion contradicts the facts at hand I simply state the facts which invalidates their opinion although I agree they have the basic right to their opinion. GM is inferior bc its fact and one can see with the amount of recalls that the OLD GM is unreliable and so is the NEW GM. Unless you have credible evidence to support otherwise then you should just stop