Most pointless brand I seen I my life.

Thank you Gm for your continued devotion to building gas guzzling trucks and SUV’s. It is with your continued dedication and devotion with your 12 different models in the GMT-900 program and your glorious Hummer lineup that we are able to thrive and prosper.

With gas prices on the rise again, the public can be assured that BigOil will be awaiting thier business with open arms, and you with open wallets.

it’s not too late, get to your nearest GM dealer and be the next to purchase one of their fine fullsize utility vehicles. You would be doing the oil industry a big disservice not to.

::sigh:: here we go with the Hummer knocking.

Please guys, compare the H3’s fuel economy to its direct competitors before you post.

Meh

“Most pointless brand I seen I my life.”

Yup, pretty much.

I have to agree that this model is useless too. The “wannabees” answer to not being able afford the real-thing—the H1. And the H1 is best as a commercial/military vehicle. The H3 shares nothing with the H1, but a watered down name plate.

My Cadillac SRX got around 11mpg if I got on it too often (NSV8) but I never took any flack from the enviromentalists. But keyed doors, slashed tires and smashed windows on Hummers, pretty common ocurrance…

I think there are more environmentalists out there than you guys think. Wake up and smell the coffee, people are fed up with gas hog trucks. More and more each day a sick and tired of seeing these behemoths rolling down the roads getting ****ty gas mileage while the only occupant is some guys 90lb trophy wife. Unless you are a contractor or have a house that you want to take with you on vacation, then they are pointless.

You want a Hummer, go for it. Your money. But don’t get your panties in a bunch when you find people who don’t support these so-called monstrosities that you so solemnly swear to. Hummers are offensive, to a LOT of people, get used to it.

But yeah, it’s a neat concept.

I don’t know who’s more offended at the moment, the enviro-guys, or the defenders

I thought this was supposed to be the land of freedom, I thought I was able to choose what vehicle I wanted to drive. Its totally within the law to purchase a Hummer, unlike keying someone’s ride or slashing their tires. Are you in favor of that? Thats pretty ****ty of anyone to do that to another person because you dont like their car. But hell, maybe I’m looking at it all wrong, Im going to start slashing the tires and keying the paint every import I see, you know just because I can! Envirementalists are the most useless breed of people ever, IMO.

WELL FRIGGIN SAID PIABLO WELL FRIGGIN SAID. the idiot liberal elf sect wants to run your lives for you, we should all be driving smarts, stop eating meat, and start butthumping each other. if you can afford an h3 go buy it, you will still bet better mileage than a high end sports car, but hummer is evil because the great satan (america)built it. everybody should be happy hummer actually built something that is not a damn rebadged sherman tank.

I think you guys are being a little rough on BC. Not once did he advocate the destruction of SUV’s…

BC, how dare you say anything negative about GM. May you burn in hell! J/K

sweet. i cant wait to get rearended by one of this while the drive is talking on there cell phone. i hate SUVs, not jsut hummers. no reason for them. period.

I am gonna buy one so that the ozone layer continues to expand.
Then I will drive my Toyota Tundra V8 and the ozone layer will fix itself because Toyotas do not pollute.

Thank you Japan for saving Earth.

piablo – the fj cruiser gets better mileage and emits less greenhouse gas than the h3, even with a slightly bigger engine; range rovers get the same mpg on the highway and one less than the h3 in the city; the bmw x3 completely blows the h3 away in fuel economy, greenhouse gas emissions, and pollution, even the v8 x5 beats the h3.
the x5 and range rovers would definately not be in the same class as an h3. the land rover freelander is, and it gets better mileage.
who rates the h3 higher? car and driver sure didn’t, neither did suvtalks.com or anywhere else i could find in a quick search. it seems to unanimous that the h3 is the wimpy younger brother to the h1. most people buy h3’s because its a hummer, not because its an h3.
i wish i knew what its like to lead a life driven by fallacies and prejudice rather than research and facts. i still dislike the h3, but your reasoning for logic has no basis. its also easy to single out hummer because they started in 1995 while all their competition has been around for ages. now they’re just adding unnecessary products to an already too large (and dying) market. if you don’t believe me, just look at how many variations on their 2 models exist. they change it slightly because the original model won’t sell like they’d hoped.

Yeah Hummers are pretty much the silliest vehicles on the market and the FJ cruiser and LandRover lineup can share that title. Rovers are elegant though, gorgeous, luxurious and priced into oblivion (The real ones that is). I think LR don’t fall into the same category because they are for the elite, the same people who buy V12 Benzes, Bimmers and Audis.

Hummers and FJ’s are more accessible so they are easy targets for the ecoweenies. Myself, I have seen one trashed Hummer in my years. And it was parked in the middle of a back allie near my apt.

Wasn’t there a story a few years back about those guys actually setting fire to Hummer dealers? I think it was on the west coast but it was pretty wild.

FJ Cruiser 4X4 4.0L 239 hp V6 16 / 19
MT H3 Base 3.7L 242 hp I5 15 / 20

fj cruuiser gets 1 mpg less on the highway than the h3 and 1 mpg more in the city, so the average is the same.
just pulled this off on msn auto`s comparison.
why would toyota also add to this?

I read your post BC, and all I got out of it was how tree huggers hate SUV’s and Hummers, and that if I just happen to get my vehicle vandelized I was supposed to expect it. Doesn’t sound to me like you look down on what their doing, yet more that you support it or atleast agree with it.

I listen to all of you babble back and forth about your love of the United States and how we should conserve fuel or your love of GM and why we should just shut up and let you waste all the fuel you want. Have any of you seen the 4door Wrangler Unlimited? You get the original 7 slot grill signifying its support of U.S military on all seven continents, plus you get a vehicle that does not get blasted with paintballs and eggs everytime some liberal gets in the mood to show thier spirit and patriotisim. O by the way 17MPG city 21MPG hwy.

LMAO, OilInvestor. Your comments always crack me up, they’re very funny. You’re right though, everything you said is true. GM really should finish their in-house Diesel engine already and implement it in their Pick-ups/SUV’s.

Yes starting Hummers on fire is a great idea. Because that will cause our atmosphere more problems than the driving of the Hummers ever will. Just goes to show how environmentalists are hypocritical morons. Yes I’m going to generalize the entire group because they do the same to SUV drivers. They say they are compensating for small packages. What is the obsession with the small packages, seriously?

BTW, CTS DRIVER, that was hilarious. Keep ‘em coming, this is awesome.

Awesome post zorlox.

I drive an X5 on a daily basis. So I am not opposed to SUV’s either but I think if GM were going to save Hummer and draw the negativity away from the brand, they need to go all diesel and get rid of the foolish semi-sized H2.

Wookie I work for Chrysler so I drive 4 door Wrangers like everyday, I think and H2 or H3 is much nicer. And if people were idiots I wouldnt have to worry about what vehicle Im driving being vandelized. Whats next after SUV’s, Pick ups? Sports cars? Luxury cars? Before all you know it the only thing left if a damn bike. I just want the right to pick a vehicle based on what I want, not what Hippy Joe thinks I should be driving. BTW I dont even like trucks and suvs, I just like the fact that people are always trying to take away another one of my rights.

For all you guys who think the Hummer is a pointless brand, I have to agree that it IS pointless—-for me. (I wouldn’t be caught dead in a Hummer, but I DO like the Impala, the upcoming ‘08 Malibu, the HHR, and the Volt concept.) But apparently, there are lots of folks for whom a Hummer is the ideal ride. Enough so that they choose them from amongst a sea of gas-guzzling competitors (mostly imports) by plunking down their own hard-earned cash to buy one. If you and I don’t like them, then we don’t have to buy one. GM makes plenty of other vehicles that are much more “ecologically responsible” that we can choose from.

And remember—GM is in the business of selling cars and trucks. If there is a market for gas-guzzling behemoths, blame the market, not GM. People don’t buy Hummers because GM makes them; GM makes them because people want them. If people suddenly stop wanting them, you can bet your booty that GM will stop making them in a heart beat.

By the way—does anyone know what “meh” means? (as in Saud’s post)

SUVs (just like prius) are about image. you want ppl to look at your car/truck/suv/tank and think “that person……” there is no logical reason for anyone to have an H2. BUT its all about the image. stop arguing about it because you will never change anyone’s mind. Discuss the vehicle itself not the owners.

YourNameHere…..bingo.

As devoted Americans, we ask that all of you take a moment and realize that we as Americans are lucky enough to have the economic and sociologic freedoms to purchase the best products to suit our needs. It is with my appreciation that I give due credit to General Motors for providing us Americans a choice of options. From 11 different full size GMT900 Sports Utility vehicles to 5 wonderful GMT-360 Trailblazers, from light, medium and heavy duty lines of pickups from both our friends at Chevrolet AND GMC, to 3 new Lambda crossovers. And lest we forget Hummers as mentioned above. My friends, look around you, why would you ever want to drive a boring sedan or a silly Hybrid. Come experience the pleasures of owning one or two of these fine utilities from GM. Experience the dedication and devotion to fuel consumption that our friends at GM have put in to their vehicles.

We await your business. Thank you for your time

BigOil

*sigh* Remember people, its just a concept.

Zorlox – Read the Car and Driver article, I have the issue. ‘If we had to pick which one of these to take on another off-roading trip, H3, hands down.’ I paraphrase. So you’ve forced me to do a little homework to prove my point. Here are the EPA gas milage ratings found on Yahoo Autos, for those who refuse to hear any information without a cited source: H3 – 15/20, Fj – 17/21, Range Rover – 14/19, LR3 – 14/19, BMW X5 – 15/21, Porsche Cayenne – 15/20. All of these sampled with an auto transmission and 6 cylinder when available. LR2 and X3 not applicable because they are built on car platforms. Now, if you want to split hairs over 1 or 2 mpg, I guess I didn’t realize that the cutoff for a vehicle to be called a gas guzzler and pointless was 17mpg, and 15mpg is simply a burden to mother nature. As to less gas milage emitting more or less so-called green house gases, the two are completely unrelated. The emissions control systems of a vehicle control that, namely the catalytic converter. Try again. Want to reduce emissions, simply drive less. All vehicles have the same emmissions ratings for their class. I dare someone to argue with me on this. The rest of your comments are pointless, you haven’t a clue about marketing. Every vehicle made has multiple variations. Last I knew, choice was a good thing.

And to the retard who thinks it’s okay for a very expensive vehicle to get bad gas milage while cheaper ones shouldn’t because the “elites” buy them, it’s nice to know the class system is alive and well in your tiny skull.

Garbage Motor Co. – You are missing the point about Hummer’s critics. An H2 is no larger or smaller than a Tahoe, Seqouia, Expedition, Armada, etc… Yet none of those vehicles are anywhere close to being criticised to the extent of Hummer. It’s the hypocrisy that is so unnerving. If one is concerned about emmisions and global warming, get the facts straight. A vehicle’s size has nothing to do with it. Gas milage doesn’t either. Vehicle emmisions do. And ALL vehicles legally on the road meet EPA standards. got a beef with emmisions? Take it up with the EPA. The only thing milage has to do with is oil consumption and where one feels it’s okay to get our oil. The size of a vehicle MAY reduce gas consumption, but clearly a tiny Cayenne gets just as bad milage as a big ugly H3.

Hypocritical drivel.

what the hell… LLN doesn’t want to post my comment.

The H3 is half plastic – the neon of Hummers

To add to Piablo’s last point. Not that it matters to anyone whose sole decision is based on greenhouse gases, but all the SUVs that Zorlox compared to require high-octane fuel -including the FJ. I may be wrong, but I don’t think the I-5 engine requires premium. There can be a substantial fuel cost difference between the two. Does a hummer driver (or any SUV) care about fuel cost? That’s not for me to decide.

This criticism, about GM making gas guzzlers, burns my biscuits! Let’s see, Toyota just introduced the world’s largest, and most powerful, regular production pick-up, but where is the outrage of the GM-bashers???? Toyota also makes the really large Sequoia, Land Cruiser, 4Runner, Lexus LX450, and Lexus GX450. All of these V8 powered SUVs are NOT examples of fuel-efficiency. Add to this list the V6 powered SUVs: Toyota FJ Cruiser, V6 4Runner, V6 RAV4, Highlander, Lexus RX350, and Lexus GX350, and you will see that Toyota should never be considered “Green”, or “Eco-Friendly”. Let’s not even mention the thirsty Lexus LS450, or Lexus GS450, and now the Lexus IS-F (which all sport a big, thirsty, 4.5 liter V8)! All of those V8, V10, and V12 powered BMWs, and Mercedes should not be overlooked, either! If you are going to throw around blame, then distribute it evenly! I am a car enthusiast, which means that I love horsepower, displacement, and a large number of cylinders. I am not going to criticize any of these comapnies, for making exciting products, especially when they also make fuel-efficient models. If the Hummer burns too much gas for you, then buy a Malibu, Cobalt, Aveo, ION, AURA, G5, G6, or LaCrosse, all fine and fuel-efficient models, from GM.

Piablo, your common sense and excellent writing is one of the only things that makes this site worth visiting.

To anyone calling this or any other SUV ‘worthless’ or ‘useless’ how about you pick out my next car for me, ok?
Here is what I need…
Seating for at least 6
Reasonable off road capability
Towing capacity of approx. 7000LBs.
Also, I am not wealthy. I cannot afford multiple cars to serve every purpose. I need one vehicle that can fill all those needs. Unfortunatly that means that I will also drive it to work every day, usually by myself.

I await your answers with great anticipation.

piablo is the man. bringing reason back when i thought there wasn’t a chance.

fatstrat: I’m thinking you need a new tahoe with the 5.3 vortec. meets/exceeds all of those. thereby proving the need for SUVs. And if one can afford it, why not? it’s perfectly legal.

Piablo, you rock.

Also, Kudos to Scott Kempton for pointing out that the manufacturers follow the market, not vice versa. With the possible exception of the Cimmaron and Catera. And the Aztec. But then they sold a lot more of those than they should have. Go figure.

Anyway, I would also add that in light of the burning/defacing sprees by Greenpeace (peace?!) and their ilk perpetrated upon SUVs, I think the old punishment for horse thieves (death) should be applied to car thieves/burners. The horse of yesterday and the auto of today are analogous. There are few things lower than taking away a man’s wheels. Again, I go back to the market-driven manufacturers: If enough people demand fuel efficiency, or vow to stop buying Hummers, trust me, GM will stop cranking them out. But if I heard correctly Hummer had a banner year in ‘06 despite oil prices, so I think that makes it clear how far away we are.

Let’s put the enviromental….and some other things aside….the H3’s interior and SUCKS!

….the 4-speed auto SUCKS!

All vehicles have the same emmissions ratings for their class. I dare someone to argue with me on this. The rest of your comments are pointless, you haven’t a clue about marketing. Every vehicle made has multiple variations. Last I knew, choice was a good thing.
-pablo

i got the fuel economy/emissions info from http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/22514.shtml and it rates each on greenhouse gas emission and air pollution – if you click on search by class, you can clearly see that the jeeps do terribly on pollution compared to the rest of the SUVs, since i don’t know much about it i’m not trying to argue anything, just bringing it up. i have many clues about marketing but brought up the increased number of models with very little difference (and having it make headlines) for psychological reasons.

The enviromental movement is a pretext for tyranny. Don’t listen to these credulous fools, drive what you want.

Bob Crandall
http://www.4wheelingtoday.com

Fatstrat, take a look at the Expedition. It can seat 7 to 8, has 300hp and is capable of towing up to 9,000 lbs. Price starts at $29,995. And that includes roll stability control and head curtain airbags. Head over to Ford.com and build yourself one to your needs. You’re likely to find that it will beat the competition in price and features for that price.
Gm can’t match it’s ride quality, because of Ford’s independant rear suspension, or Ford’s fold flat third row. Gm’s doesn’t fold into the floor so it must be removed to use all of your cargo space. Chevy also uses a 4-speed while Ford supplies a 6-speed as standard equipment. Edmunds.com has a good comparison test up between the Expedition and the Tahoe. Oh, and since everyone else is talking about fuel mileage the Expedition gets 14city/20highway.

Thank you GM for your continued dedication and devotion to oil consumption. Keep up the good work.

With gas prices on the rise again, the public can be assured that BigOil will be awaiting thier business with open arms, and you with open wallets.

Thank you for your time and money

BigOil

Shut up PLEASE. Hummers don’t sell in the numbers necessary to cause an oil dependancy. GM’s Full Sizers are the most fuel efficient. Where’s the Honda bashing? The Midsized Ridgeline gets like 1 MPG better than the old Silverado Crew! The Tahoe also gets better MPG than anything in its class. That includes the Land Cruiser and the Sequoia. At least GM is pushing through E85 to help reduce oil dependancy and they’re the closest to giving us fuel cell vehicles…
Anyone bashing GM because of “oil consumption” is a complete moron….

Where’d the eco-geeks come from? Nice job Piablo, keep things real.

One question: I just don’t know why anyone would compare this to the FJcruiser ar a lowly Jeep? The only time I see one of those things is when they are on the side of the highway dead or on the back of a flatbed truck! Yet I see Hummers everywhere, the dealers can;t keep them on the lots. Maybe the eco-geeks need to get a real SUV and not some wannabe huh?

^^Yeah, gotta get me one of those! LMAO.

I just love Hummer articles, don’t you? The comments always make for some entertaining reading. I loved the comment that included the phrase “burns my biscuits!” LMAO again…

SWEET!

I am actually in the market for a new full size diesel crew cab. Just wanted to see the solutions the wacked out hemp bag carring eco liars would come up with since SUV’s are usless and senseless etc…
They are the embodiment of hypocricy.

GM i have one word for you………

WHY?

TOYOTA ARE SELLING 60+ mpg priuses and is this your reply? pathetic. I am glad there are buyers have the brains and want to HELP fight against global warming by buying the toyota prius instead of this 9mpg tank.

dont be a sheep oddglat.
there is a real world out there, time to come out of your idealistic comic book world and embrace it.
Grow up.

Thank you Gm for your continued devotion to building gas guzzling trucks and SUV’s. It is with your continued dedication and devotion with your 12 different models in the GMT-900 program and your glorious Hummer lineup that we are able to thrive and prosper.

It’s not too late, get to your nearest GM dealer and be the next to purchase one of their fine fullsize utility vehicles. You would be doing the oil industry a big disservice not to.

you too oilinvestor. you may be the king of them.
and no doubt a royal hypocrite as well.

pretty nice, there trying to keep up with jeep i can see!

this and the wrangler have the best creeper ratios ever, 4:1 damn you can climb anything with those.

Nice Rig. No reasone to buy anything else.

Go GM.

GM is more important than the environment here, I think we all know that deantj. I love the idea of Palm trees up here in Michigan.

My friends, with your help and with the help of our friends at General Motors, we as Americans, most notably those who have stake in our crude oil stocks are able to thrive and prosper in the moments of dispair across the world. It is your duty as Americans to enjoy the fruits of our labor, to sample one of just 12 different full size, truck based SUV’s from GM. For those more endowed, may we suggest Hummer, for those elite individuals who choose more enriched means of living and thriving off this great planet Earth.

Understand this folks, it is not planet Earth that will pay the bills, do your work, provide for your families, make you satisfied, no. It is a resource, a tool in which we use to survive, not a thing of great importance, not a being of high value. Use it, embrace it and ignore those false consequences. This Earth owes us nothing, it is ripe for the taking so enjoy my friends, drink up for the sake of happiness and gluttony.

Please keep us in mind during your jouney. We await your business with open arms and you with open wallets.

Thank you
Oil Investor

Some people need SUV’s, like the one’s that the neighbors and co-workers have, to take the kids to soccer games, go out to the mall, Starbucks runs, etc. It’s awesome how GM made a smaller version of the H2 for people who care about gas prices and stuff.

I like how the eco-geeks on here ignore the hard facts posted on here.

Piablo, thanks for injecting some intelligence into this site, a site thats full of morons.

Although showing them hard evidence that other companies commit the same emmission crimes as GM, they still argue thier ignorant, hypocritical arguements.
Like casting pearls before swine.

But to make my position clear, I acknowledge global warming, it is a huge problem. What burns my ass is when people call GM a company devoted to destroying our environment. That is simply not true.

Did no one see the Volt concept? That system will be by far the most fuel efficient and eco-friendly vehicle out there when it finally reaches production.

You can state as much factual evididence as you like, I know one thing though: It didnt used to rain at my local mountain.

Now, it isnt as big a problem as the medie tries to purvey it as, but it is an issue nontheless.

It’s not like global warming will be the apocolypse, It just speeds up earths natural climate cycles.

It’s still an issue though.

Now would somebody actually answer my questions rather than sidestep them by taking swipes at my credibility?

Hey Floater, what would it take for you to consider one of the excellent Hummer vehicles from GM?

My friends, with your help and with the help of our friends at General Motors, we as Americans, most notably those who have stake in our crude oil stocks are able to thrive and prosper in the moments of dispair across the world. It is your duty as Americans to enjoy the fruits of our labor, to sample one of just 12 different full size, truck based SUV’s from GM. For those more endowed, may we suggest Hummer, for those elite individuals who choose more enriched means of living and thriving off this great planet Earth.

Understand this folks, it is not planet Earth that will pay the bills, do your work, provide for your families, make you satisfied, no. It is a resource, a tool in which we use to survive, not a thing of great importance, not a being of high value. Use it, embrace it and ignore those false consequences. This Earth owes us nothing, it is ripe for the taking so enjoy my friends, drink up for the sake of happiness and gluttony.

Please keep us in mind during your journey. We await your business with open arms and you with open wallets.

Thank you
Oil Investor