maybe there is hope for driving tripleonefluffer out of LLN.

I never said the Grand am sold more than the accord

If you look it up yourself, you’ve got to face that fact all by yourself.

I’ll let you in on a little secret: There’s a reason I made that proposition. Because I already know the results. I live in cali. If you live in Ohio, for example, the Grand Am will have an even higher margin

Grand Am was regularly among the top 10 sellers. My proposition is, (and I know this is taxing your muskrat-brain) that there is a higher percentage of ‘95 (although for GM purposes that’s not really indicative of anything — ‘91 would more reflect the Grand Am’s superiority) Grand Ams till running than there is Accords of the same of the same model year.

1995 accord sales; 100. Still running; 28. Totals 28 percent

Grand Am sales: 70. Still Running; 43. Totals 61 percent.

I just made those numbers up. The DMV would probably give you numbers that are a little bit higher for both rigs.

I don’t need a hairnet. I have no hair and have an adult job, fluffer.

Why doubt when you can be sure.
You don’t know a typo from a failure to understand English.

Communist dog!

If more grand ams are running, as far as I’m concerned, that makes it more reliable.

I don’t always buy american. I bought my olds because I thought it was nice (still do) and the price worked. If it had been built in Haiti or Romania, i’d have still bought it. If a BMW, VW, Volvo, Nissan or Kia, KI would’ve still bought it.

Bought some new body wash. Showering yesterday (that’s somethin’ you probably don’t no nuthin’ about) I noticed that it was made in the U.S.A.
Cool!
Not why i bought it, and no one’s going to spend thousands on a car they think is crap, under some vague notion that they’re supporting america.

Now, get me my money!

Is the resale on the Grand Am as good as the Accords? and lastly Is it as reliable as the accord or any japanese car ?
The answer to all three is NO !
Commodore, GMCcyclone, AMG, YOU, and c6 and all the other Left lane jerk offs buy american bc they are American

People buy American because it’s american, eh?
You still haven’t named one, tripleonefluffer!

If I could afford the best car, I’d be driving a 7-Series. I’m happy with what I have.

If I wanted the best japanese car, I’d be driving a maxima

1115: call up your state DMV ask how many accords were sold in ‘95, and how many ‘95 accords were registered there last year. Then, do the same with the Grand Am, and see which has the higher percentage still running

It’s you who’s positing this as an American v. japanese argument.

I woulnd’t argue american/japanese, but I’ll go GM over toyonda all day, every day, based on my experience and those of family and friends.

Communist dog!

So…
You may say that, but in foreign markets Chevrolet is rebadging Subaru Foresters and making great profit off of them. Is it just chance, that it’s because of the Chevrolet badge, as the Subaru badge couldn’t succeed in getting a share of the market (I believe it’s the Indian market I’m pointing at), is the reason for it doing well?! Ha, what irony!

Unfortunately, one of the downfalls of the Pontiac Vibe is it indeed has a lower resale value. But you know what, it just happens that they are almost the same car, aside from exterior trim and a few minor components! And, it also happens that both cars were a joint venture over a few short years between GM and Toyota. It’s not just a GM badged version. So, is it just me, or does the resale value seem a little biased?

And for you guys screaming that it’s GM’s fault for it not being a good car, it’s also done very good compared to the reliability of Toyota’s other models. So GM in return improved Toyotas quality.

Aside from that, what can you say about the actual facts, being that Toyota has had some of the most recalls in history, over a period of a few years? I believe it’s been up there on the top three recalls for quite a while, and I don’t expect that to change quickly as it’s been going on for a while now.

Haha, funny “Lamboz get a life”. I had a laugh at that one!

That is one thing you are right about 1115 – the resale on the Toyota is higher but that difference is made up by the fact that the Vibe is alot more affortable – you can get it for 1000s less than the Matrix so obviously its resale is less

1115: you keep SAYING that GMs are unrelianble, and every day, I keep seeing ‘82 and ‘83 Cavaliers on the road, parking next to a ‘62 Buick, starting my olds and wondering if the first thing will go wrong with it while I still own it ….

The matrix is boring, and the Vibe is garish

1115: what “facts” are you talking about? Why do you keep doing this, claiming you have facts that support your argument, but never producing anything that could accurately be called a fact

There are boat load of people who would prefer gas mileage over performance, and there is an AWD model, and the styling is not ugly.

Peter Egan from Road & Track does like I do, he owns a Vibe (same thing as Matrix, different badging) and a Boxster. The difference is that my Z4 3.0si is a little less prestigious than his Boxster (and doesnt’ handle as great, but has free maintenance, is faster and was cheaper) and that my Matrix XRS has the extra power that makes her a bit faster (at peak power of 72rpm because there’s no torque whatsoever below 4,000rpm and you don’t feel much ’till VVT-i kicks in around 6200rpm).

The Matrix/Vibe is a Corolla platform with a cooler interior. In 2003 I struggled to find another very reliable manual car that would give me 0-60 in under 7.5 seconds and 30mpg on the highway with the capability and flexibility of carrying luggage or 4 passengers for under $20k.

That has got to be the most assinine statement in the history of the Internet. Get a clue.