Comments on: GM targets 2010 for Chevrolet Volt production

By: Piablo

Piablo — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 03:38:03 +0000

I’m even worse in person I appreciate the impersonation by the way. I do try to inject a bit of connotation into my prose, facts can become dry and boring without a dash of life added to them I will at least admit this LamboZ, if there weren’t people like you here, I would probably be bored with this site and be forced to go find some other site with libs to argue with. So thank you as well.

CTS Driver – Journalism, never. Starting a blog to spew my opinions onto the world in a rather sarcastic cynical way? Maybe. Thanks for the kind words. I too enjoy the comments from the usual characters here. Except Deantj, he’s really just an ass.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:44:51 +0000

Oh, and thanks to you Piablo, always has to be 2 sides to an argument.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:43:28 +0000

I’ll use Piablo’s tactic right back at him: “No, YOU’RE wrong, no matter what you think, YOU’RE wrong, you’re simple, I’m complex, as is society, YOU’RE wrong!”. Boy do I love the arguments on this site, most people, suffice to say, can’t debate like this in person, so thanks LLN. And thank you CTS DRIVER, appreciate it

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:48:29 +0000

lambo and piablo, have you guys considered journalism, seriousy? both of you guys are very eloquent, and seem to be very highly educated, everytime i see your posts i read them asap. kudos for both of you, theese extermely intellegent conversations are just great, good job guys.

By: Piablo

Piablo — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:14:39 +0000

You can spell it, even translate it any which way you like. You are wrong. I posted an article citing an example as to why you are wrong. Ignore that all you would like too. It doesn’t change the fact that, you are wrong. Anyone else interested in the truth will follow my link and also find, you are wrong. I have plenty of knowledge in economics, who cares? Supply and demand, highschool classwork my friend. I wouldn’t be too proud. Say there was a shroud of importance in your economic theories of Americans not accepting jobs you wouldn’t take, you have yet to cite any important ideas regarding the sociology aspect to this… something of equal if not greater importance. Not to mention citing one example supporting your beliefs beyond ‘I’m right because I said so’. Childish. You are simple minded LamboZ. The world is far more complex than your black/white, republican/democrat, good/evil, supply/demand, all/nothing mind works. Just because you really really really want it to be true, doesn’t make it true.

And on a final note, when you grow up and learn a thing or two about politics as well, you’ll find both parties lie, cheat, steal… not just Republicans. And any other party for that matter.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:27:24 +0000

You guys are so incredibly naive, you have the idea in your head that based on some random sources, based on some preconceived knowledge that you obtain that is actually in all reality, totally false, that you know what you’re talking about. Stop attempting to act like you know better than the way the market system works, because you don’t, this isn’t up for debate…fascists (stealing a little line from cyclone there)

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:22:36 +0000

Also, this isn’t based on “because I feel this way”, how many times have I said this before, it’s based on simple economics, this isn’t the way I feel: IT’S HOW THE ECONOMY WORKS, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SPELL THIS OUT TO YOU GUYS. Piablo you’ve proved nothing, you have one little random article citing one instance, I could find 10 that prove you wrong, but it’s not worth my time, don’t you see that your links actually prove nothing? If i watch Fox News, they’ll tell me Iraq was a good idea, but that doesn’t make it true, now does it?

As for you GMCsyclone, yes I mentioned you calling me an idiot, because I hadn’t said **** to you before that, however Piablo instigated by insulting me first, it’s really quite simple.

And the reality is, if you look at politics, from the environment, to the war in iraq, to almost anything, the conservatives are actually the ones to deflect themselves being wrong by exaggerating, lying, or simply not ever addressing reality. This is one thing I am able to do, and by learning economics, I’m addressing this issue we’re debating here by facing reality, you two, however, appear to be very delusional. Don’t try and bash “the liberals” when the conservatives are the ones who are the ones hiding behind a platform of lies, deceit, and corruption. Haha totally contradictory ,and totally bull****

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:18:36 +0000

hahaha “nazi”, considering I’m jewish..good one.

By: Piablo

Piablo — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:06:11 +0000

And for anyone who owns a Prius, like LamboZ’s dad, here’s an article to read about them. And really this goes for any battery powered car. If your intentions in buying a battery powered car are environmentally motivated, read this article.

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

By: Piablo

Piablo — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:48:44 +0000

Yes, I echo Csyclone’s words.

I know it’s tough to remain proud when someone has just proved you wrong. Many people find this hard, so you are no different. However, I would much rather gain the respect of my adversary and admit being wrong than to appear too proud and indellibley ignorant. It’s not too late LamboZ…

By: GMCsyclone#478

GMCsyclone#478 — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:40:18 +0000

LamborghiniZ, hate to bring it up but didn’t you recently get on me about calling you an idiot? (such a horrible word.) then you pull this stuff above?? i find it amazing how the people that have to anounce their ‘tolerance’ from a bull-horn have the least tolerance of all. just re-read your last couple of posts and you should get what i’m talking about. what you libs don’t understand is that you merely deflect your anger somewhere else.
oh, and your argument is once again simply ‘because i feel this way’. that might work for you but don’t tell others not to think or not have an opinion thats different than yours… you nazi

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:02:04 +0000

Have you ever learned anything about economics? If you had, you’d understand what I was talking about, but since you clearly skipped those courses, there goes YOUR dumbass theory. The reasons are not that Americans are lazy and selfish, it’s that they have become accustomed to doing work at a higher level than that of the jobs that many illegals occupy, and they wouldn’t take those jobs unless there was higher pay, which would inevitably cause businesses to raise prices, which would effect everyone, me, you’re incredibly degenerate ass, and all consumers. Regardless of what your precious little link says, I know what I’m talking about, it’s pure economics and you know nothing of it, go back to school.

By: Piablo

Piablo — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:17:32 +0000

Lambo, so you’re not a bigot if it’s true?? haha. I’m sure the KKK has used that once or twice in the past. Lazy or selfish are two reasons I assumed you thought Americans do not take the jobs that you propose only Illegals would take. If those are not the reasons, then what the resons you suppose? Whatever reason you have, you are wrong. Here’s an article for ya…
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5215724,00.html
Oops, there goes your dumbass theory. After one of the largest raids in US history, it seems those Americans who don’t want the jobs illegals take, lined up out the door to take those jobs. HMPH! Weird. Your theory on jobs comes from the same ‘I Hate America’ pool the rest of the libs pull their ideas from. Illegals take the jobs Americans won’t work?? Yep, that’s got love and warmth alllll over it.

By: GMCsyclone#478

GMCsyclone#478 — Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:26:34 +0000

yes good discussion. we might never agree on this but discussion is important.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:58:20 +0000

GMCsyclone#478: There’s no way for us to agree on this topic, and well I’ve made all the points I find valid, and I see some of yours too. A decent debate we’ve had here, one that actually stayed on the topic and out of personal insults for the most part, gotta respect that on LLN.

By: GMCsyclone#478

GMCsyclone#478 — Sat, 10 Mar 2007 05:02:15 +0000

LamborghiniZ, first off i apoligize for calling you an idiot, it was typed in the post above yours and wrongfully attributed to you (however, i noticed you’ve called Ricardo Head a moron and Piablo ignorant – in your posts above). CTS DRIVER makes excellent points if you read all of his posts. also i don’t recall ever saying that i wanted all illegals deported imediately. but to use the fact that they ARE currently here and intertwined into our society is not an argument in support of open borders. neither should that fact remove the burden of assimilation from the imigrants and place it on their new home – america. and i will again bring up the mexican government. why do they seem to not be held to any level of expectation or even acountability? no one trashes them or calls them lazy. they have countless natural resouces, an incredible geographical location, AND a seemingly endless worker base. whats the problem??? oh yeah, america continues to take on other’s burdens in the name of humanity, so why bother. God bless america
btw: have you contrasted the way americans treat illegals to the way mexicans treat their illegals? thats right, south of their border things are even worse and guess what? mexicans (including their government) don’t want them. many of these mexico-bound job-seeking immigrants are outright raped, killed or at the very least robbed before being forcefully and systematically deported. see, it’s not patriotic americans that are bigoted, but those that stereotype them.

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:31:06 +0000

lambo is right on the money
housing costs would double or triple
food costs would double or triple
manufacturing costs would double or triple
construction costs would soar
etc.etc.etc
im not ready to pay 20 dollars for a bag of oranges.
or $60 for a pound for prime rib.
you think $400,000 is a lot for a house now pay each person building it $60,000 a year and see the cost then.
sad to say it but they ARE an integral part of our society.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:52:42 +0000

V-Series: Other than Cadillac, no, the domestics cannot build cars like they used to. It’s actually pathetic how inept the Big 3 are at making cars these days, Cadillac is the one exception. The other brands, for the high majority, quite simply blow compared to the competition. Good joke by the way..

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:46:19 +0000

CTS DRIVER: You make some very good points, I guess where we can agree is that at this point the economy needs illegal immigrants, regardless of the other hazardous effects that that might bring. I do see your points though

GMCsyclone#478: Apparently those “few decades” you speak of so knowledgeably haven’t taught you one of the basic rules of social interactions. By staring with “LamborghiniZ you’re the idiot”, you lose all credibility. Too bad, try again. You’re too obsessed with the concept of “our laws” and not nearly as interested in the concept of “WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO OUR ECONOMY IF WE DEPORTED THEM ALL”. You need facts? What facts did I not give? The facts in this case aren’t numbers, though I’m sure such a convenient medium works well with your limited understanding. The facts are in concepts, the concept that the economy would buckle and fall under if all those jobs were left vacant. And in case you didn’t know, there have been illegal immigrants for decades, so your little point about “30, 40, 50, years ago” is invalidated. Not to mention the fact that we’re talking about today, that is, 2007, not 1967, even if blue collar working Americans were willing to take those jobs 50 years ago, who says they would be willing to now? It’s another era buddy, times have changed, and you know what else? It’s time for you to change with them.

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:05:24 +0000

the crime doesnt even start to touch what is happening in france and holland, france burned last year, and muslim extremists have killed vangoughs grandson and threatened the whole country. At least the imigrants here actually can get a better life instead of being totally swept under the carpet.
deantj, we are no lazier than any other western country, stereotypes define ignorance, ever heard of work smarter not harder?
anyways mexican workers are very smart, just as smart as a us or canadian worker, the quality of cars built in mexica has really improved alot, so i have alot of faith in north american workers as a whole. the volt will be great no matter which north american plant builds it.
stadt wrote:Disregarding the arguments about unions, national pride, etc…

What do we do if/when we enter into a large unilateral war and no longer have a manufacturing base to ramp up and convert to weapons manufacture?

Then we’re f*cked. A bit of a realist perspective, I know, but one that no one has seriously addressed. Our country has to maintain a sizable manufacturing base.

Comment by stadt, posted on March8 at 1:31 am

the govt will comendeer all foreign factories in this country if it happens, toyota plants will be producing tanks and airplanes just like ww2.

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:50:14 +0000

lotusfire and lambo i realy do agree with the fact that we need them as bad as they need us, its just not good for us as a country, but we all seem to agree on that point.
this was a really good conversation, thanks everybody.

v-series…isnt it nice that gm has found a new dorection with cadillac, they are just gorgeous and bring back the term rides like a cadillac.

By: GMCsyclone#478

GMCsyclone#478 — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 06:34:50 +0000

LamborghiniZ who do you think did all those jobs BEFORE the illegals were here?? 30, 40, 50 years ago?? AMERICANS!!! sheesh…. you know what, why not just throw all laws out the window, that way no one will ever be doing anyhting illegal?

By: GMCsyclone#478

GMCsyclone#478 — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 06:29:19 +0000

LamborghiniZ you’re the idiot. you didn’t give any facts in your list of “facts”. why do you call it “bigoted” if a tax paying citizen wants our LAWS to be inforced??!! i don’t know what they’re teaching you kids in school these days (assuming you’re paying attention), but what do you think the long term consequences of your utopian-open-borders america would be? be patient and attentive young one and you’ll be surprised what a couple of decades will do to your ability to appreciate authority. and where are all the cries of injustice toward the mexican goverment? shouldn’t that be the starting point?

By: V-series

V-series — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:11:19 +0000

Hey lamboZ, try to clean up the language

By: V-series

V-series — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:04:53 +0000

F451, you think America can’t build cars like they used to? Have you ever driven a modern Cadillac, such as a 2007 Escalade, an SRX with the new interior, or an STS-V. They are amazing. They are extremely well built. And if you have any doubts about the interiors, just sit in an STS-V with a red interior. The red suede inserts on the seats are awesome.
Anyway, the Volt is a great idea and is going to work much better than the gay Prius.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:57:49 +0000

And just one of you guys try and whine about “my language” in my last post, because I don’t want to hear it, so save your breath.

By: V-series

V-series — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:29:52 +0000

Nice posts, CTS DRIVER.

By: Kaizen

Kaizen — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:19:52 +0000

coughnextpriuswillcomewithplugincapabilitycough. excuse me.

By: lotusfire

lotusfire — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 00:39:57 +0000

^CTS, I think you’re missing me. I’m asking: WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

Your solution of finding legal workers sounds nice but it’s just frankly not that easy. I live in Sothern Cali too, and I’m not hispanic. Maybe if we didn’t have huge companies using them in sugar cane crops it’d be easier to implement a program of some sort. Maybe if this wasn’t going on for as long and a lot of them didn’t have families here it wouldn’t be as much of a problem either. I have pals in Mexico having trouble just getting a visa to visit (for a month or so) as we speak, and they have money AND connections. If they didn’t, they’re only shot would be sneaking across the boarder.

Again, I’m not saying it’s right. It’s just the way it is.

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:02:36 +0000

sure do piablo, im addicted to lln.

By: Piablo

Piablo — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:31:20 +0000

CTS Driver, nice post.
Do you get your 3 hours a day?

By: Piablo

Piablo — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:25:30 +0000

Let the irony flow LamboZ… “the best deal at this point for everyone is to not be bigoted, ignorant, and more or less just totally out of touch”… Meanwhile you state that Americans are too lazy or selfish to take so-called low paying jobs. I love it.

You are out of touch my friend. Explain your views to the people in Arizona, New Mexico, California, DC, Maryland, whose violent crime rates are exploding because of hispanic gangs. Where do you think those hispanic gangs are coming from?? Your ‘why can’t we all just get along’ mentality is nieve and half assed. Sure it’s a pleasent thought, but real problems take a bit more thought than feel good sentimentality. Wait until one of them runs into you on the street. No license, no insurance, no identity. Guess who pays for your damages?

There is a reason they are called ILLEGAL ALIENS. Because they broke the law! I for one don’t care to spend my tax dollars on criminals for health care and education. Get legalized and start paying god damn taxes. I help pay for this country and people like me have every damn right to not want criminals here sucking up their hard earned tax dollars.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:09:23 +0000

CTS DRIVER: It’s not really like that when they come here, is the thing. And like I said, they are a very crucial aspect of our economy, there is NO way of getting around that, no matter how hard you try. And you’re trying.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:08:24 +0000

PrimeGTP: You’re illogical, you’re making so many false parallels I don’t even know where to start. In fact it’s not worth starting because you don’t know what you’re talking about, and are clearly uninformed on the subject so I’ll save my breath and you can save having to think hard.

By: lotusfire

lotusfire — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:12:49 +0000

^ You might be right. Maybe illegals are realizing how valuble they are. hmm?

I would not call all those corperations taking advantage of immigrants naive, and I know about it first hand, even though my grandfather came here legally.