Gee Stain, haven’t you been paying attention? GM has built stage 2 hybrid systems for the large SUV and pickup line, and is working on plug in hybrid and fuel cell vehicles as we speak. What more do you need from them?

Global Warming is a crock, depite what Wagoner’s PR department tells him to say. Lutz hits the nail right on the head when he says the reason to do any of this is to cut the dependence on these whack-off dictatorships everywhere.

Oh yeah, and by the way, Al Gore os a fat bastard.

Agreed, necessity breeds invention after all, the higher the restrictions the better the technology will have to become. They have stagnated on oil for far to long.

I realize this is a marketing issue… but haven’t they read the reports that the globe is actually cooling back down to normal temperatures now?

Good call Wagoner, I’ll respect rational thought anywhere it resides.

Lutz is an inbred dip****, that’s been clear for a while.

RicardoHead, as usual, knows nothing about what he’s talking about. How pathetic.

Learn to spell, Jessom, and also learn a bit about meteorology.

+1 RicardoHead. Well put.

Agreed injunraiv. Believe it or not and I’m probably going to get attacked by I can only imagine who on this comment but GM back in the 90’s was the only Automotive company that had the capability of mass producing an electric car. The EV1. My dad test drove it and was cooperatively working with the engineering team, and he said that it was ready to hit the line. So why didn’t it? What happened? Why did GM take back all the EV1’s that they had lent out and leased to private research institutions, colleges, etc? Where did all the EV1’s go?

I may be a conspirarist but it all has to do with economics. Back in the early 90’s gas was cheap, like when the Ford Explorer and SUV’s started really becoming popular, fuel efficiency was no longer a concern, plus I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some back room deals made with the oil companies or whoever. Anyways once again GM screwed themselves, because if they had followed through on it then they’d be the leader of alternative powered vehicles.

Oh great, and Lambo chimes in with his college boy body kit mounted on a 1972 VW pan.

As Atourya says, now the globe is cooling, just like it was in the 70s. You morons are such tools of media hype.

Geez, I’d rather err on the side of saying Global Warming is real because once the balance is thrown out of control, it is not going to swing back the other way. It is not just the amount of ice caps melting or the retreat of the Arctic glaciers, these are just some evidence to show the world IS warming, whether it is part of the geological cycle or that man made green house gas has something to do with it.

You are just ignorant if you only believe with direct evidence. Large scale geological events do not usually show up overnight, but hundreds maybe thousand of years. Smaller more sensitive events such as the rate the glaciers are retreating thus serve as warning signs that something larger is happening! When you do see the damage of global warming with the backing of statistical evidence, it is too late to do anything. Is that the kind of world you’d like to leave to your offsprings? Of course, most of us, if not all will likely not be alive hundred years from now, so we couldn’t careless? But how selfish is that position!

RHead, Meteorology deals with weather, NOT climate which falls under GEOLOGY! Goes to show how much you know about global warming to form your opinion.

Ricardohead is right. Lutz’ view that the reason to pursue increased MPG and alternative fuels is more to do with the reality of a finite oil supply and it will continue to get more expensive over time. Wagoner has to play to the false teachings of Gore because he has succeeded in convincing the mindless masses that it is reality. Hell, they are now indoctrinating children in school over this.

The World Meteorological Organization differs with you, Sharpie, so go climb under a rock.

As does dictionary.com …
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/climate

you moron.

Ricardohead: 2
Everyone who hates him: -1

Way to throw a fellow employee under the bus, Wagon man!!!

Global warming is a crock… It is just the natural way of the world and the comments about the finite supply of our current fossil fuels (finite on a close enough time scale to matter anyway) are closer to the reason for all this malarkey… One day temperatures will have driven their natural path and all will be well, but we won’t have to worry about filling up our vehicles… It is all happening for a reason so no need to get riled up about it…

I suppose it gives the pointless something to moan about.

BTW, I thought the hip new trend of groupthink now was global cooling, I think I saw an article linked to Drudge about that. In my opinion, it’s probably cooling b/c the record snowfall destroyed my will to live this winter.

Didn’t destroy it enough, maximus

Hey like all the competitors will be in the same boat so beat them to the solution

you can’t destroy meeeeee!!!

@maximus,
I agree, here in Chicago we got over 50″ inches of snow so far in 2008. Global Warming my ass. Also worth noting that the earth warmed 2 degress from 1700AD-1800AD all on its own. The earth is cooler than it was in 1000AD. Temperature can fluctuate 1-3 degrees over centuries and millenia.

So even if you believe in GW, why not invest more heavily in ethanol fuels and nuclear power and breeder reactors. Ethanol produced from cellulose with Nuclear-generated electricity as the catalyst has a net carbon penalty of zero. Plus cellulosic ethanol can come from any kind of plant matter. Those lawn clippings you have? Ethanol; all the corn husks left after harvest? ethanol, etc. On a large scale its cheap, very high octane (100+ for E85), and you can get drunk off it! Its win win. Make your cars run like Bender.

GM must take the stance the Global warming is real from a business stand point. Whether some loudly spoken individuals feel differently or not, to sell to the public and justify with stockholders, are root cause for the products must be established.

I frankly look forward to the development and deployment of new technology not merely squeezing more horsepower and/or fuel economy out of 100+ year old, steam-age, technology. More performance without sacrificing F/econ. Better F/econ without sacrificing but rather gaining performance.

Bitch and feign indignity about Global warming. It is real. How individuals and companies choose to deal with it is our own prerogative.

Lutz just lost the board meeting or didn’t read the memo. He can make all the great cars GM will allow, as long as he sticks to GM’s larger views and plans.

“go climb under a rock” WTF! Hilarious!

Frylock, I’m also in Chicago, that is why we know about this scam!

Bob Lutz is the cult of personality…..

I am one hundred percent behind Blakkarr post.

Frylock,
global warming means more evaporation which means more precipitation which equals more snowfall, not colder temperatures.

Miaow RicardoHead, you are such a bitch. If you didn’t profess to being such a red-blooded he-man I would swear you were gay.

I think Lutz can start looking for another job personally! lol

does this all matter? the world is ending in 2012 anyway- so i say polute while you can.

yeeeehhhhaaaaa

Lutz is costing GM sales. He actions undercut GM’s environmental marketing, which sends a confusing signal to consumers. Simple rule of advertising: pessimism turns off buyers. He’s entitled to his opinion, but GM can and should terminate him if his opinion affects GM’s image or efforts.

“cumburp” LOL

DMBpearl, you’re my hero. I laughed heartily at your comment, and applaud your efforts in fighting the bull**** hype that is “global warming”. You’re awarded 10 points, and may God have mercy on the souls of those who believe the liberal garbage media.

PS. Using my powers of deductive reasoning, I assume you’re a Dave Matthews fan, and a fan of Carter Beauford (judging from the “pearl” part). Drummers unite/rock on.

My house is about 12 miles from the ocean, so with the power of global warming (and my Caddy), I should have beach front property in no time. I need the view AND the tan. Hurry up global warming, damn it!!!!!

Lutz diminishes us all.

Lutz needs a guest spot on Boston Legal. Think of the antics he and Denny Crane could get into, both with their ‘Mad Cow’ disease.

Good call on the DMB part, whereas most think I just fat fingered my username and left off the letter U. The Pearl part on the other hand is actually Pearl Jam, the worlds second greatest band.

And yes, it’s tough being the only conservative at those concerts. Tougher still at the hippie festivals, but the drugs help me manage the desire to kill them all. What I do for good music I tell ya!

Somebody needs to found the Church of Global Warming, because it’s no different from any other religion

Yeah, I was actually going to say Pearl Jam, dmbpearl, after I saw cleanGTO’s comment. Definitely one of the greatest rock bands of all time!

christianity is a personality cult

Ice age comin! Ice age comin!! Crock Pot warming is no global phenomenon!! Slow cookers are on the outs!

Whatever your reasons may be (either global warming, cutting off oil production from unstable nations etc.), the point is that an alternative energy source is needed, and we need it A.S.A.P. I agree with GM that it’s extremely important to invest into these projects to find a clean energy source to power future vehicles. You’d have to be a retard not to recognize the importance of this.

The comment “Global warming is crock” proves that a lot of those high status people in the society are idiots. The only thing that they are good at is “blam Canada”.

It is a crock.
Think, people. Think.
Just get to hear the right scientists. Not Greenpeace or eco-whatever.

AdibzumbaAbihganula,

How about independent Climatologists, paleo-archaeologists, meteorologists, Farmers, and anyone how isn’t paid for by big energy and big oil?

Besides you can easily find some “science” jackass who will tell you smoking three pack s a day is good for you (George Burns is the exception not the rule), drinking Drano is good for you, the Earth is 6000 years old, the sun will burn out in 500 years, Global warming doesn’t exist, and other fiction about the world.

You should stop referring to the Bush administration’s list of favorite scientists. They are almost all a bunch of spineless frauds.

I wouldn’t talk to Greenpeace anyway, they are half a notion short, of the ELF.

jsut recycle more and drive less and the earth will be healthier

im sick of this topic.

look, it doesnt matter if global warming is true, and it doesnt matter if lutz is exersizing his freedom of speech.

what does matter is that GM cant use any negative publicity. period.

all you new “scientists” and “weather analysts” {1500AD?} can just relax and quit researching web info to sound like a genius.

its a car site, with a topic regarding a stupid comment and an attempt to smooth it over. relax with the science **** already. you guys cant be that smart if your on LLN!

btw. good choice for picture of wagner cracks me up—he dont look to happy. DAMN THAT PUTZ! lol

the many of you that are absolutely amazing if their is anything I hate is fanatics FOR or Against Global Warming. And you Deanster man I thought you had half a brain then you let loose dude??? Don’t tell anything your about as dumb as the rest of them that say we are not harming the environment.

Let me say this. I really don’t side with either Global warmist nor the idiots that say their is no Global warming or more importantly any Environmental damage- (meaning you morons in here) aka Ozone layer ok.
But here is the deal. We “Society” still pollutes the environment at an Enormous rate. There is only so much oil in the ground, fish in the sea, and places to put our trash! If you don’t believe it then start.

Like most americans I froze my ass off this winter and you can’t convince me their is global warming with that going on.

On the other hand, I do recognize that Harm is being down to our ozone layer by increase Co2 and if you folks don’t mind dealing with more cases of Skin cancer(maybe you or your family) then keep believing your religious fantic BS as well. And when you suffer the consequences of your don’t come crying to anyone. After aiding and abetting stupidity. I am Christian but don’t go to the stupity level of Greenspeace but many of you are just as bad on the opposite end of the scale. I am happy 1c3d0g has the same sentiment about our environment. I am not the Only one beside wagonner that understand needing Alternative ways of creating sustainable energy sources. First we need to eliminate waste where-ever it may be. like for instance lets clean the airwaves of garbage 90’s bands because they all SUCKED- especially pearljam rigth SS!

Just a little scientific fact for you guys: The global temperature has risen only 0.8 degrees Celsius since 1880, and not at all since 1998. Al Gore dances around this fact, and refuses to acknowledge scientific proof in favor of emotion; “The polar bears!”. Recently a panel of 36 scientists, including 4 Nobel prize winners assembled to weigh in on the priorities of world problems, and guess what? “Global Warming” is at the very bottom of the list. Not that Nobel has any credibility now after giving the prize to Gore. As we all know from recent news, the globe is now cooling. Oh ****! Global warming alarmists better unite and come up with a proper way to go back on their “facts”. Global cooling might be better…my cold air intake will suck up more…COLD AIR!!!;lkadsf!!!
Liberal Alarmist Prius Drivers = PWNED. Stick that in your h20 exhaust pipe.

Global Cooling is proof that Global Warming is here.

Perfect balance-
Lutz tells the truth
and Wagoner sucks up to leftist media.
Oh, and GM makes kick ass V8s.

I think to be fair Global Warming should be renamed “Global Pollution” that wouuld be more accurate a term. I admit some of the leftist support Global warming. But to be Ultra conservative and say hey it don’t exist does’nt make it so! Global Pollution does exist once again and we need to address the issue more electric cars. Etc Etc

While you idiot debunk Global Warming your letting the issue really at hand escape and be a detriment to the not only the environment but to the well being of yourself, your kids, family, friends, and your descendants.

The Ozone Layer is being depleted. We need to stop the V8’s over at GM- Too much Displacemnt and too much CO2- Your not environmentally friendly with your Escalade

According to Science Daily, Heart64’s claim of the ozone layer being shot to hell is about 25 years out of date and the layer in “on the mend.”

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060527093645.htm

Headgiver: Not sure what you were referring to with your college van comment, but about a month ago I purchased a 2001 BMW 540i with the 6 spd manual. I’m really pleased with it, it’s a lot of fun combining the 282 hp V8 and the manual transmission. It’s got the M-Sport package too, really great. Now that you know this, you can make sure you never incorrectly state what vehicle I drive ever again!

Also…have you ever thought to yourself that you anti-global warming proponents are simply tools of media hype? You say over and over again that if you believe in global warming, you’re giving into the schemes of the media…but to be frank, there is anti-global warming bull**** all over the news and in the papers, so in reality, YOU’RE a retarded victim to the hype yourself. Open your eyes bud.

We’ve all weighed in on the Global Warming issue before. I like Heart64’s proposal, as global warming has become a bit of a misnomer.

Citing the fact that you froze your ass off this winter in Chicago (I’m in the Chicago ‘burbs) as proof that there is no global warming just highlights the fact that you’ve chosen not educate yourself on the depth of the problem.

Global climate change is complex, and I’m not the expert to teach anyone on this topic, but it’s probably a fair analogy to say that greenhouse gases don’t necessarily make the Earth a constantly-on microwave oven, but more of a big styrofoam container. When it’s very cold, it stays cold, when it’s very warm, it stays warm. Yes, there will be fluctuations but “global pollution” is having an effect on the extremes. On a geological time scale, the mean temperature is still probably rising.

But set that aside, this LLN article confirms that Lutz is a putz, when it comes to towing the company line. Lee Iacocca, for one, has long said that the rejuvenation of the U.S. auto industry will require government help. For Lutz to **** on the environment when it’s already a political issue that’s here to stay is sure to cause great concern at GM, especially when GM has already committed a lot of resources to developing hybrids, etc.

And frylock, I predict that there will be an economics lesson for us all in the coming years. What CAFE will likely do is highlight exactly why Americans like their big trucks, and it may be because they’ve always been available. CAFE is going to change the supply.

Americans have proved that they’re a hearty bunch. When gas prices skyrocketed, all GM companies started their “employee pricing” sale program, and GM found that big trucks and SUVs still flew off the lots.

The question is: what if back then, all those big truck and SUVs had been replaced with smaller, but more fuel efficient vehicles? Would GM still have sold so many, particularly if no one else offered big trucks and SUVs?

I predict, “yes.” Ultimately, in achieving a healthy supply-and-demand balance, I think consumers’ demand is more elastic and will change more easily to meet supply, then the other way around.

Good to know Lame-boweenie finally graduated from UCDildo and is contributing healthily to his precious global warming that he worries about with his used piece of **** dreamcar. Hypocracy at its finest.

@Scarface03,
I don’t think we can know for sure what would have sold and at the time GM was in no position to mess with what works. Now with desirable smaller cars, class-leading mid-sizes, the Cobalt having one of its best years despite being due for a redesign GM can rely less on GMT900. I’m certainly not against smaller more efficient vehicle… as long they don’t eliminate or castrate the GMT900s. Choice is a good thing. Forcing me out of a type of vehicle I like is not. I was already forced out of the B-body Wagons and I’m still pissed at GM for that. At least I can rest easy that pickup-trucks are a necessity, not a luxury so they’ll always be around. And making my Suburban off of a pickup chassis really doesn’t cost them much.

Screw you, Wagoner. I quit.

frylock350,
I agree that GM would prefer not to mess with what works, but the question on all car makers’ minds is: what will happen when the legislature tinkers with what has worked?

The GMT900’s will still be around, but the CAFE regs may force GM to divert sales to smaller, more fuel efficient utility vehicles to offset the fuel economy of the GMT900 “giants”. Say the volume of GMT900’s drops by 75%… you can still get your GMT900, but as long as the demand is fairly constant, you’ll be paying a much higher premium for your 2020 Suburban.

The question that GM wants to know the answer to is: if you don’t feel like paying a high price for one of the few Suburbans kickin’ around, will you buy one of GM’s more fuel efficient alternatives or will you buy a used vehicle off a used car lot? If consumers ran for the used-car-lot hills at the sight of pricey replacements for cars/SUVs they already own, that WILL get GM’s attention.

Another way of looking at it: when the B-body wagons went bye-bye, did you buy used wagons, or did you buy the latest and greatest of this or that off the showroom floor?

I think that the American consumer, by and large, will adjust to the supply of vehicles that the carmakers put on their lots, even if CAFE regs dictate what those are to a little, or even a large, degree. Consumers like buying new cars, with warranties, and new tech, and new frills and thrills. It may mean that those who actually don’t need a pick-up truck are now not going to buy one.

Lutz what did you do to get your $1.55 Million dollar salary this year?
Did you slam open his office door and say listen environmental wacko hand over the lute over or else I’ll give you an Indian wrist burn you’ll never forget buddy.

What the heck does dictionary.com has to to with “climate?” It’s the concept, not the dictionary meaning. Heck most newscaster on TV use these words interchangeably, does that make it right? Weather deals with short term (an by short it is more like the last 50 – 100 years once there was records) in predicting the next storm. Climate deals with millions of years that went back to the pre-human times. There is no statistical records for it, it is evidence by examining rock layers that was deposited due to geological event. These evidence is not apparent until much later. And go sleep with your World Meterological Society, who did NASA send to Mars for the studies of whether there was water on the red planet? GEOLOGIST, NOT meteorologist! So go eat a rock, RockHeadGiver!

And while you’re at it, go eat maximus’s rock, you two deserve to have a go in the cave you called dungeon.

And I expect you to come back with more junk science nonsense websites, don’t disappoint me, Rhead.

And here is a course curriculum for Yale University Department of Geology and Geophysics:

http://www.geology.yale.edu/undergraduate/courses.html

And what are the first four classes listed? CLIMATE CHANGE! If you think all Geologist study is rock, you are gravely mistaken. What goes up must come down, and be deposited so looking at mineral deposit, rock layer can predict climate change (Long Term). I assume you are smarter than Yale professors too, so have a go at it.

And “Geo” means earth, “Logy” roughly translates to knowledge, and the atmosphere is part of it, so is the water cycle (Geomorphology), which forms cloud and when deposited in large amount on the surface, can form rivers and streams and cause erosion. But you are not interested in that and was never interested in it but YET you can so definitely tell everyone you KNOW global warming is a crock when you don’t even know who studies them. Oh I apologize this is LLN not some publication from the USGS or EPA. Still fun to see how ignorant some of the “car buff” on here are when the CAFE standard threatens to take away the fun factor.