And you were all positive they would be a big flop thanks to gas prices…

Wow, I guess people really are that stupid. On second thought, I suppose people need these big SUV’s to haul around their big fat lazy asses, and their morbidly obese children.

there’s a lot of ballers out there *rolls eyes*

Yeah, and apparently there’s alot of wiggers out there too.

Lots of idiots to comment about them too.

“Yesterday, we reported that the majority of SUV owners said they’d make the same vehicle choice now as they did when gas prices were lower.”

People’s increasing stupidity just amazes me. I understand buying a smaller SUV to carry around large families because most station wagons are well… station wagons. But you do not NEED a Yukon or Escalade or Expedition or any large sized SUV by any car company.

The wort thing about this is that they were ugly the first time around, but these new ones, Tahoe especially, are the ugliest SUVs to defile the market. Death to the Tahoes!!!!

“Lots of idiots to comment about them too.” – LOL, true

People don’t “need” lots of things, big deal. I don’t “need” my mp3 player, drag banshee, video games, TV, fast internet, fast computer, power windows, power door locks…the list goes on forever. You don’t even “need” a wife and kids.

There are people who need big SUV’s. I could point out over 100,000 of them. They are called GM employees.

LOTS OF GRANOLAS INVADING THESE FORUMS. If you all were really cautious about the environment you would probably be more cautious about using the energy it takes to run your computer

The proof is in the sales ladies, and GM is selling every one of these SUV’s that they can make, and in just an average of 9 days on Dealer lots, for transaction prices averaging six grand higher than the vehicles they replaced, what “Toy-onda” can brag like that ? Of course, if I just got ripped by Toyota on an overpriced Prius that can’t deliver on the mileage and I was constantly getting outrun by Tahoe’s and Escalade’s, I’d be pissed too !

Listen, this is what I don’t get: Cars are cool because they’re fun. Thats why people deisre exotic cars, sports cars, big powerful luxury sedans, etc. SUVs aren’t fun unless you’re going off road. They can move fast enough in a straight line, but thats about it. They cant go as fast, they cant handle any of the turns, they aren’t as shapely, they aren’t as sleek, they aren’t as sexy… the list goes on and on. Perhaps we should just leave it alone and let these idiots blow their money on ****. You and I can always know that we have more taste, more style, and more class. You and I can be happy in the knowledge that we’re having a better time. The knowledge that we made a better choice. They say the best revenge is living well. Lets make it the best way to rub it in their faces.

#14 your comment makes me think you probably drive a camry as a daily driver… cuz you thingk you got style

alot of families need large suvs for hauling their families + boats, bikes, campers etc…smaller suvs dont have towing capacity….people have lives outside of staring at their pc screens.

and i think the new tahoe looks great.

uh actually brian, if you read my name, you’ll know what I drive.

And do you have anything to contribute besides “you’re wrong because i think so” ? If you have an argument either way I honestly would like to hear it. But don’t just tell me I’m wrong.

You of the inquisition, that want to put SUV owners to the stake, tell me: how in hell do you carry wife, 4 children plus a friend of theirs, or grand parents, gear and luggage on a weekend trip or longer, towing something or other of any major weight, on a puny crossover SUV. Captain America said it right, we don’t all spend our weekends looking at computer screens or fretting about “global warming.” Some of us like to go out and experience the planet, warm or cold

It’s a free country our fore-fathers made sure of that, now deal with it. I’m not arguing for anyone, and being 6′7 tall I obviously see people overcompensating for their “short-comings” whether male or female especially. I personally drive an American made sports car , and I also have a midsize SUV. Hint: Your not going to change the world. They have to choose to. BTW “1989Porsche911turbo” what’s wrong cant buy a new one, and don’t tell me it’s a classic if it was you’d have it in a garage and drive a newer one around , 14 miles city and 21 highway for that 911 doesn’t sound much better if any than most SUV‘s? Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t talk crap. BTW my sports car gets 28 highway, show some humility.

Well, I for one think they’re obese…but I respect someone’s right to drive one to meet their personal needs. The Chevy is the best looking of the bunch….I can’t believe I just said that. I love my Trooper – medium-sized, reliable, very comfortable, above all safe….I’m just not crazy about the 16/20 I get. That said, it’s a lot cheaper than a car payment, and utilmately, based on recent raw materials/end use studies, apparently less ‘pollutive’ than a Prius. Odd.

1989Porsche911Turbo is obviously upset we should ban suvs, make the legal driving age 22 and buy him a nice brick of tillamook cheese.

and i drive an mvagusta brutale in the sun, (21 mpg) and a bmw m3 in the rain (also 21 mpg). I doubt the A8 consistently gets 28 mpg

you granolas would be really upset at the economy and emmissions of my boat, 4 wheelers, and international cxt

No, but thats average mpg of my car. You got a problem? What have you contributed to this discussion? I’d love it if you actually made some sort of intelligent statement regarding my post, whether its in my favor or not. But don’t just sit there and bash me personally. How is that helping anything?

Now, do you have anything intelligent to say?

Its discussions like these where I wish we had an actual forum. It’d make it easier to follow you guys getting worked up.

The fact of the matter is, they’re selling. Whether you think people are dumb/irresponsible for buying them is not the point. GM may be environmentally irresponsible for bringing these to market, but they sure do know their demographics. And at least they made an effort to make the damn things more fuel efficient.

And who cares if you think it’s uglier than homemade sin? Most cars are. That’s life. At least it’s not completely bland.

Hey Turbo, good point about your having the right to critisize that which others have the right to do. But let’s say you see my wife driving my SUV at the mall. You would assume she doesn’t need such a big vehicle, right? Well, I’m at work (long daily drive) saving gas in my car and she needs to get to the store in the other only vehicle we have, which I need for reasons stated in #20 above. See, the point is that you can never tell who really needs it or not, so you don’t even know who to target with your criticism, valid though it may be. So though I agree with the concept that one shouln’t buy one if not needed (wasteful and a dangerment to others) I would not be too eager to jump to conclusions as to individuals driving them.

What I would like to know is that, how much does a cheese burger from Mcdonalds in china cost? Cuz im paying way to much here in the states…Wait a second, is this the Mcdonalds complaint department?

And no LOPZ, my having the right to criticize what others do is NOT a good point. I just figured it was the only thing all the “Its my right to be a ****head” people would understand. And apparently, I was right.

But if ANYONE would like to actually respond to my arguments, and then make your own arguments either for or against them, that would be great. Thats the way these things work. I seem to be the only one making any kind of argument here.

Hell Turbo, ease up boy. I’m just adding an additional point to what you’re saying, and that is that some people do need the damn SUV even when they don’t appear to. Go to sleep and dream little priuses ruling the road and a very chilly planet.

Instead of blaming SUV buyers, let put the blame on the REAL villains here…

Oil companies that lobby Congress along with Automotive companies that also lobby Congress so that neither party is accountable for putting the necessary funding into developing alternative fuels, cleaner fuels, better economy cars, hydrogen power.

People need SUVs because of space, plain and simple. It’s an UTILITY vehicle. Not supposed to go fast, accelerate from 0-60 in 3 secs or reach 200mph. It’s like a mini bus with extra cargo room. The 07 Tahoe from my business seats 8 people, and in the end, its far less detrimental to the environment to carry 8 people in 1 car then 8 people in 2 cars.

Had I had the choice of buying an SUV powered by new hydrogen technology that does 200mpg, I wouldve DEFINITELY paid the premium for it, along with every other SUV buyer who can do a little math and calculate the gas savings.

Thing is… THERE ARE NONE! Why? Suv buyer’s fault? No.

They’re the same people who didn’t buy flood insurance in LA or earthquake ins. in CA.. Their immediate gratification means more then their future – besides they can get us, the taxpayers to cover them for nothing.

j i m

I’d pimp a new Escalade.

“..people have lives outside of staring at their pc screens.” HAHAHA, Captain America is obviously wasting precious time saving American car industry by engaging in this forum. Better haul ass out there and live your glamorous life wearing that skin tight outfit.

lol Hank

I agree with Turbo. If everybody who buys an SUV does it to haul 7 kids, all their crap and a boat then why do I see 95% of SUVs on the road being piloted by a single person with no passangers and nothing in tow? This excuse is bull****. How many times a year does the average SUV owner tow a boat? On average, far less than once. As said above, why not just rent the powerful vehicle for the family vacation and drive something reasonable for your daily commute? The real reasons people buy these things is because they want to feel “safe” or be “cool” by owning the in-style thing. For these two reasons people forsake other’s safety and fuel economy. [An aside - just because I complain about fuel economy doesn't mean that i'm being a hippie. SUV drivers drive up demand for gas by consuming so much of it, helping to drive up prices - so in the end I have to pay more for gas because some jackass thinks having a Yukon is cool.]

Yes, this is American and everyone is free to choose to drive what they want. On the same side of the coin, I am also free to call them jackasses and be pissed at them because they make the road less safe for me and drive up the price of gas that I have buy. Bottom line is – I drive a reasonable car (Grand Am) that get reasonable gas mileage 30 +/- 2 MPG, is easy to see over and won’t kill the other driver (unless they’re on a bike) in an accident. I made this choice for a variety of reasons – a couple including my impact on society. I my mind SUV drivers don’t consider their impact on others around them and that makes them assholes in my mind.

Adam, your logic doesn’t work. You mean to tell me that I don’t need to own an SUV unless I need its capabilities every single day? That I should have the expense of yet another vehicle so that I don’t have to drive the SUV unless I’m carrying a full load. That’s the stupidest statement I’ve yet read in this thread. With this level of IQ you want government to impose YOUR views on others? Nah, I know you’re just teasing us, nobody can be that obtuse.

Hey wickedated, you’re making some sense.

What’s more obtuse – driving an SUV every day, getting 15 MPG and endangering other drivers because you want the capacity to tow a boat once a year OR having a sensible car to drive every day and renting an SUV for when you need it? Face it, you just want the SUV because its a status symbol and wifey thinks she’s safer in it.

#12 Very well spoken! Exactly!!!

Correction to my post above, my previous post was #12, not #13.

It IS our right to drive what we want. Sports car are useless. 2 seats? For what, showing off? Driving fast and doing burnouts? For what? I bet the gas mileage is really great when you are racing around in it. Or did you not buy it for drving fast? Then why not a sedan?

You guys are bashing everything but wht you don’t have. What makes you so special that your choice is better?

“..people have lives outside of staring at their pc screens.â€? HAHAHA, Captain America is obviously wasting precious time saving American car industry by engaging in this forum. Better haul ass out there and live your glamorous life wearing that skin tight outfit.”

Will do Hank! and thanks for all the fan mail professing your deep love for me.

Damn yoh, don’t flatter yourself too much. BTW, didn’t know Captain here is batting for the other team. Its obvious he openly professes his gratification in gaining another male “fan.”

What was that old saying: “You can never go wrong underestimating American taste.” ?

….if you’ll buy Sadam’s Weapons of Mass Distruction; you’ll buy a 10mpg truck when oil is already $70 barrel.

j i m

Hey Greenspeed, #45, it’s every other weekend, plus everytime I have to caary big items. Your way I’d have to rent an SUV 20 times a year–maybe with YOUR money I would. By the way do you eat meat? I bet your the type that would hate to kill an animal to feed yourself, but would think nothing of destroying a lettuce plant and killing all those wonderful living cells–the have the right to life too, you hypocrite. I feel bad for YOUR wifey if all you respond too is need and never want.

And I don’t see you criticizing those fellow liberals in Hollywood with their big mansions and bigger energy bills. Hypocrite.

This is a salut for all you out there who support the HOME TEAM…three Cheers!! SALUT…
GM is comming back and so is american inovation…G0d bless AMERICA…. REMEBER buy american everyone… not just cars but eletronics,steel, clothing, and everything that says MADE IN THE USA… its better to pay the extra then supportinig the sweat shops in asia… which is what they use there…. Stand on top of your Chevy/Ford and say “i’m america and proud.”

Both sides are making good points. But let’s face it, what is being debated here is that there is a tipping point(and many say we are at that point) when making the right INDIVIDUAL decisions will make a BIG difference on the following Big Picture issues in this country today:

– American dependence on foreign oil
– Slowing climate change & global warming
– Reducing or eliminating the possibility of more American lives lost to defend the oil we need to power our cars/trucks/businesses, etc. here in the US
– Insuring future American Jobs (as in companies like GM & Ford) by way of newer technological solutions, rather than the status-quo, gas guzzling products

Do some people need big SUVs? Sure! But unfortunately, too many do not. I think we all just need to get away from this “Me, Me, Me” attitude and look at the bigger picture before we make our next car-buying decisions.

thats right im not a bigot, i appreciate affection from any race, creed, color and orientation…this is America after all.

LOPZ, I can’t believe I am actually taking time out of my day to comment on your idiocy but since no one’s done it for you in the past, obviously I should attempt to now.

Since you don’t know how to read to many sentances at once I’ll spell it out for you here:

A STRONG majority of SUV drivers don’t need an SUV that gets less than 20-25 mpg for every day driving. If you have 5 kids AND go towing large equipment quite often then fine.

If you don’t have the kids, you don’t need the SUV. Most trucks will get better gas mileage than an SUV and they’ll tow better as well. If you do have the kids and you don’t need to tow, you don’t have to get an Escalade, there are smaller SUVs that will fit your needs. Or get a wagon, or a minivan. Oh wait, you want a status symbol because you’re a pompous ass.

And Al Bundy, I wasn’t bashing GM, read posts before you go on ignorant rants. It’s any car company that makes oversized vehicles that get low gas mileage, Ford or any foreign car maker included. Most foreign car makers don’t have big ass SUVs though.

who tows a damn boat these days? if you dont have the $ to have your own place at the dock then youre a loser. oh and having to haul your 4 kids is just plain sad. if youre mormon then i understand, expand your following and if youre amish then yah put them to use. otherwise whats the point…

ACTUALLY, I would rather garage my boat for maintenance and security reasons. yes i have the money to get a slip at the dock, no i do not want my boat exposed to the elements 24 hours a day.

all this really shows is what the analyst have been saying for years, that gas in the states is still ridiculously cheap!! i know that even with gas being around 2.95 a gallon i still haven’t changed my driving habits. i haven’t felt the hit yet, and i fill up twice a week. and no i’m not rich. to be honest though, the gas only cost what it does because of state and federal taxes. (60-45% of the price we pay for a gallon of gas) everywhere else in the world gas is artificially expensive. foriegn goverments have decided to purposely tax the hell out of gas to control fuel consumption and the driving habits of their citizens. thats not really a bad thing in Europe and japan, when you have urban crowding and limited space. but in the US where our whole economy runs on wheeled transportation in some form or another, it’s just not prudent or desireble.

I don’t care how “dorky” people think a Volvo wagon looks, nothing looks worse then a young whore, knocked up straight out of the Sorority house after marrying some trust fund kid driving an Escalade on 22″ rims on the cell phone with the big sunglasses and the Soccer magnet on the back with her bastard kids name on it.

the arguments above are all stupid and pointless and u people should be doing something more constructive then arguing on a website forum

To 1989Porsche911Turbo,
hey I am not going to argue what cars you have and what you don’t have, but your Audi A8 does not get 28 MPG. Sorry, but I owned a 1998 Audi A4 V6 and I avaraged 22 MPG, there is no way a 4.2L V8 290hp luxury car averaging 28 MPG. Luxury cars average just slightly less than SUVs. So don’t lie.
PS. 2006 Audi A8 takes something like 18 MPG, and they have improved fuel economy.

and so should you, jihn

I agree with #65, what the point of arguing?
This is a free country, we have the right to do whatever we want as long as it is legal.
If you can afford an SUV and the gas then go for one. If you are an evironmentalist, buy a bicycle to save the polutant, money and let the SUV guys to run over you; then the trees will benifit from that hahaha

Adam would grow a pretty dumb tree if he got run over by an SUV. I would cut it down and use it for fuel and warming up the planet.

Actually, V V, I also have an A8, and I can tell you that gas mileage is accurate. I average about 27 miles to the gallon.

Don’t you guys get it, it’s not about buying an SUV…its about showing your love for another guy, try to come out of the closet, i know i have.

“Adam would grow a pretty dumb tree if he got run over by an SUV. I would cut it down and use it for fuel and warming up the planet.”

That really makes no sense at all. Try arguing points for once instead of saying pointless, idiotic, comments.

And Ellis, you’re right, gas over here in Europe is about 4 dollars to the gallon at the cheapest in most places.

who cares you have the money you buy what you want. Mind you I would feel shortchanged if I brought one of these banger especially when you realize a Mercedes GL is the same sort of money but ten times better.

To BAMF and 1989Porsche911Turbo,
Well if you do average that good let me know if you want to sell your car because I would love to get rid of my gas saver (work car) 1999 Toyota Corolla (four banger) witch averages about 32 MPG for a Luxury V8 Audi that gets 28 MPG. Edmunds says it gets 17/25, but if you average higher than both you are lucky. Any way have a great day.

#73

Go to mbusa.com and load the GL 450 with every option and prove yourself wrong. My loaded 07 Tahoe LTZ=$48K. Similarly optioned GL450=$72K.

Not at all “same sort of money.”

And while I recognize the GL450 is a superior truck to the Tahoe, I’m not at ALL “shortchanged” by my choice. In fact, I was VERY suprised at the quality and value of this new line of Chevy trucks. No other 50k-rang truck in the market today offers the same finish, fuel economy and room. Its even got flex fuel, compatible with E85 Ethanol from corn.

trust me, it’s a great vehicle if you have a valid need for a large SUV.

“Most foreign car makers don’t have big ass SUVs though.” Posted by Adam in #59

Adam – what do you call the Nissan Armada and Toyota Sequoia ? Compacts ??

Adam likes ****

LOPZ – since you’re wrong on the logic, you might as well through out some stupid ass insults. Since you started it, your mom is fat, your sister is ugly and you appareantly have ADD. If you would have read my posts, you might see that I hate SUVs because they are in part responsible for driving up the price of gas that I have to buy. I don’t like paying more for other peoples’ unnecessary ****. If you haul a boat every two weeks (probably a lie) then maybe you’re one of the

Think of it this way, for every hybrid Toyota sells to Patrick, they get to continue selling those big, bad SUV’s (read Sequoia, for one) to the rest of us without incurring a penalty from the Government for not meeting the CAFE standards. That’s why hybrids are here today, to help the automakers meet the CAFE standard, all the while continuing to sell large, profitable SUV’s to the majority of the car buying public. A Hybrid owner loses money in the long run, all in the name of the “environment”, but if they’re dumb enough to buy into this crap, more power to ‘em !

I have a big SUV and you know what i love it. I can put my bike in the back and always carry all my stuff without worring about space. And the thing is i am willing to pay the extra for that space and that convinience. Plus the new technology that turns cilinders on and off acording to how much power you need saves alot of gas aswell.

I want to see how many SUV’s GM will sell when gas hits $5+ a gallon. How many people are willing to spend $100+ a week on gas?

Jon.

Most of the posted comments make me laugh. Sounds alot like sour grapes. What does anyone care what someone else drives. If you don’t like the H2 then don’t buy it. I didn’t like the Honda so I didn’t buy one. I liked the H2 so I bought that instead. And to your point that these vehicles are never taken off road that too is incorrect. My family takes ours off road every month when we go away for family weekend trips. Some people do disneyland,some people sit in front of the TV and some of us do river trips and desert trips. As long as we are together doing things as a family, I dont see what the big deal is.
I sure would not tell you how to spend your time or money…please do not tell me how to spend mine.

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#7 – Isn’t that “Banana Ssangyongwhich?