I didn’t realize that UAW workers were qualified to make business decisions for GM.

Bryce, they are highly qualified, and to prove their superior economic intellect they just voted that GM should employ them to build engines that don’t sell.

But I am less than worried because their union brothers will certainly come to the Massena Engine Plant workers’ rescue when the the question is posed that “GM must close Massena or shut us down – how do you vote?”

Yeah, that “brotherhood” shows it’s true colors when faced with that choice. Cough cough.

theese guys are so stupid they actually vote to hurt themselves, i mean they are keeping a useless plant alive thats not needed and looses money for the corportion in its entirity, and that corporation is already srtuggling to even make a penny. good job uaw a.k.a the destroyer of auto companies (dac for short)

What’s the matter with Kansas?
There was a guy here who predicted the agreement woudn’t pass.

GM should have mandated every union worker read “Where’s The Cheese?”. There was a great article on businessweek.com that outlined everything wrong with the Big 3 business model. There was a book on this and it was so hard hitting it cited the CEO of GM would not acknowledge the book’s existence and didn’t permit people to speak of it.

why am I not surprised?

looking for 400horseSS to weigh in on this.

Why would the other union plants want to keep a plant open that is not productive to the bottom line progress of the company and the union? The Manessa plant knew that this was close to happening so they stuck to force GM to keep the plant open just for them? How could they think that they could force GM to continue to pay them for producing product that doesn’t sell?

Where is GM-Sales-Guy to explain to us what is it all about and why is it good/bad for the country? Are those UAW workers all Japanese?

its a vote as a hole, not plant by plant, so if it gets ratified it’ll be closed regardless of their vote! they’ll have to transfer to another plant like many before them and many after……

japaneese no, insecure overpaid crybabies…yes.

there you go 400, it just seems odd rite now for them to try so hard to keep thet plant open, but i guess they will probably be transferred.

I never heard or read about Japanese company closing doors on it’s employees and leaving them in care of their union. That is what happening here. And for good of majority of their members union will screw a few. I don’t think those poor saps will be relocated, like managers are relocated: the moving truck comes over, stuff is packed, the old house is picked up by the company and sold via real estate agent, there is 3 months apartment or a house waiting at the new place, financing is arranged for mrs. to find new home quickly etc. None of that, those guys are screwed up for good. GM management knew for years that this plant sucks, and need either to produce new products at cost of a little training and new machinery. They do know obsolescence cycles on their products and components. If plant was producing old engines, they could re-tool it to produce new ones. But GM managers were planning to build products no one intend to buy, just like Chrysler was producing vehicles they knew they could not sell. Now, they are fighting Japs, congress, environmentalists in order to keep their chairs, but reality is that management screwed-up those folks through piss poor management that eroded their market share. You just don’t read about management like that in Japan or Korea for that matter.

Why would anyone in their right mind vote to stay in Massena, New York.

Oh wait, we are talking about people with the intelligence of an average UAW employee. It makes sense now.

The people who were reared in Massena, the people who are raising their children in Massena schools, have their olderly parents living near by. Perhaps the folks who went to Nam and Iraq I &II and maybe couple of their parents who went to WWI & Korea. Not all of them have college and graduate degrees, but many cops and firefighters who jumped into World Trade Center did not have those degrees either. Why do you have a problem with that? I am sure they all drive GM trucks and hate Japs and their cars even when those cars made stateside. And perhaps few of then Russian just like you or Pollacks like some of your cousins.

Give up, UAW! Surrender!

LOL, TOZO, take it easy! I’m sure that sooner or later the UAW’s power and influence will decrease and become non-existent. Just give it time. I hope they won’t drown some companies with them when they do go down, though.

MAssena and Malone are ****hole towns. In a post-apocalyptic video game, they would be bombed to oblivion

Dear Sirs, have you ever been to Massena, NY? Do you need some very good reasons to produce there? Clean affordable Hydroelectricity to make the plant work enviromentally, lot of water necessary to produce car parts and engines, easy to reach place by trains, trucks or ships to supply raw materials from Canada largest mining region, perfect position to export to north-east america (USA and Canada more than 80 million people market) and northern Europe and Russia since it’s on Saint Lawrence Seaway, a skilled workforce who live in the nice and beutiful Thousand Islands Region close to Ontario and Quebec. Can you compare it to Alabama, or Kentucky, even Tennessee where japanese and euro trans-plants are? Massena was dismissed just because of a lack of investments and long-term vision. With euro/USdollar > 1.40 and CNDdollar/USdollare = 1 you could export Massena produced engines to those country for very cheap and help balance US trade, if only GM board decides what kind of engines are really good to produce there. Thanks

1c3d0g: yeah, it’s dying American-Isuzu-style. Long, slow, fighting, & mentally in a world of its own.