There are plenty of vehicles on the market capable of comfortably hauling five humans and a load of cargo all while towing a Prius, but until General Motors launched its second-generation hybrid pickups, like the GMC Sierra Hybrid, no offering could boast midsize sedan in-town fuel economy with the Prius and trailer unhitched.
Now one can. Well, make that two, since the Sierra and similar Chevrolet Silverado are a classic case of badge engineering gone right – that is, profitable badge engineering.
What is it?
This isn’t actually GM’s first foray into the hybrid pickup market. The previous-generation full-size trucks offered a mild-hybrid option from 2005 to 2007, though if you’ve never seen one, you’re not alone. Unlike that first effort, the latest Sierra – and its Silverado twin – is a full-on hybrid effort, capable of accelerating to more than 20 mph on batteries alone.
Visually almost identical to the mid-level Sierra SLE crew cab, the Hybrid eschews the aero-enhancing trim seen on the similar Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Sierra Hybrids, though it does have some comparatively modest badging. GMC offers the Hybrid in two trim levels with a choice of two or four-wheel-drive, but only one body configuration is offered, a crew cab with a short box. Our four-wheel-drive tester, with its leather seats and navigation, is the most uplevel and priciest offering.
The Silverado is identical other than a revised fascia and different badging.
Rated at 20 mpg both in the city and on the highway, our four-wheel-drive tester’s in-town rating actually bests the Toyota Camry V6 and ties even the most frugal Subaru offered in North America. Oh, and don’t forget the awesome boast that the Sierra Hybrid is actually more efficient to drive around town than last year’s Mini Cooper S convertible with the automatic transmission. And the Sierra does it all using regular grade fuel.
What’s it up against?
Nobody else offers a hybrid pickup in North America, so comparison-shopping fuel misers interested in an open bed and four wheel drive will want to stay at the GMC (or Chevrolet) dealership to find the best-in-class 14/20 city/highway mpg 5.3-liter Sierra (or Silverado). Their new six-speed automatic transmissions mean that they top any other four-wheel-drive offering.
Mosey on down to the Ford dealer and you’ll find an F-150 with the 5.4-liter V8 that averages 14/19, which is still better than the 14/18 from a Hemi-powered Dodge Ram 4×4.
How about Toyota and Nissan? Try 13/17 or 12/17 for a V8 4×4 Tundra or Titan, respectively.
That said, Dodge is preparing a hybrid Ram, though no preliminary figures have been released. If the short-lived Durango Hybrid is anything to go by, expect fuel economy similar to the GM twins.
Any breakthroughs?
The two-mode hybrid system has essentially been pulled from the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon, which means you’ll find a 6.0-liter V8 with cylinder shutoff and variable valve timing mated to an electric motor powered by a 300 volt battery mounted beneath the rear seats. A continuously variable transmission helps make the most of the 332 horsepower and 367 lb-ft. of torque, a little more than the 5.3-liter V8 offered on traditional Sierras.
How does it look?
Our subjective opinion rates the Sierra just ahead of the Silverado due to its marginally more buff front fascia. Otherwise, GM took a very conservative approach when it redesigned its full-size offerings for the 2007 model year – and we think it will pay off in the long run. While the Dodge Ram is racier and the Ford F-150 flashier, the Sierra strikes us as a design that will wear better over time.
Our tester’s standard 18-inch chrome alloy wheels fill the large wheel wells nicely and, in our opinion, look more appropriate than the oversized 20-inch blingers we saw on the more hauling-oriented 6.2-liter Silverado LTZ we tested earlier this year.
Aside from the badging, the Hybrid model adds a tonneau cover to the standard SLE, though we were a little surprised to see that the bed-mounted electrical outlets from the previous GM hybrid pickup efforts did not make an appearance on round two.
We still take issue with the chrome wheels and we think that the plastic lip below the front fascia is prone to rubbing when the pavement ends, but overall the Sierra is a solid home-run in the looks department.
And on the inside?
GM took the unique initiative of designing two wholly separate interiors for the then-new 2007 Sierra and Silverado a few years ago. Uplevel Sierra SLT and Denali models gain the wood-toned, Cadillac-esque look shared with the Yukon, while lesser variants, including the Hybrid, get a plainer setup designed to work better with a bench seat.
At nearly $50,000 as tested, we can’t help but think that GM should offer the luxury dashboard on the uplevel 3HB trim package we tested. While functional and generally built of solid, if not premium, materials inside, the look is a little plain in light of more expressive offerings from Dodge and Ford – especially in our tester’s dull “Titanium” shade.
Gauges and basic switchgear are identical to the high-buck models, as are the seats, but a plain center console meets the main dashboard at a knee bolster covered in rock-hard plastic with this design. In addition, the lower doors are molded in a cheap plastic more fitting on a work truck.
The only interior changes for the Hybrid are a battery pack under the rear seat – negating the fold-up storage ability – and an energy flow system monitor built into the navigation display.
GM says that these trucks are aimed at commercial users – but with the full complement of luxo-bits on our tester, we have to wonder what sort of commercial fleet buyer is going to pony up $50,000. To GM, we suggest decontenting the base model and tarting up the high-end one to go after both fleet and personal users.
But does it go?
For the most part, the Sierra Hybrid feels just like the full-size SUVs in terms of its powertrain operation. Though its beefier frame and extended length make it tip the scales at about 5,900 lbs. – around 500 more than the Yukon – the Sierra Hybrid does not seem to give up much performance thanks to a few extra ponies and responsive low-end torque.
In normal driving, acceleration is mostly linear once you get used to the consistent engine speeds under acceleration courtesy of its transmission. Under heavy acceleration, such as freeway merging, the CVT gets a little confused at the upper end of the rev range, occasionally resulting in a momentary lull. It’s a little disconcerting at first, but we got used to quirks endemic to this kind of transmission pretty quickly.
With very light throttle applications – too light to keep cars behind from honking at you – you can accelerate to about 22 mph in EV mode. We’d like to see GM improve this for the next generation hybrid truck to allow for more electric motor use.
The V8 has been treated to GM’s active fuel management, which unobtrusively cuts off power to half of the cylinders for highway cruising. Combined with the hybrid powertrain, we didn’t have much trouble reaching 20 mpg in gentle suburban driving or during highway cruising. Over 20 minutes of traffic snarl cruising, the trip computer showed 27 mpg since the gas engine rarely needed to kick in. More urban stop-and-go driving gave us closer to 17 mpg on average. It’s worth noting that all of this testing was conducted during a summer heat wave where temperatures tickled triple digits during the day.
Generally, the Sierra rode and handled about like its conventional siblings. Only the faintest whine under acceleration and deceleration gave away the different engine and the start-stop function only seemed to give the slightest shudder when the automatic air conditioning was on recirculation mode.
We did find the brakes to be a little too grabby at low speeds due to the energy regeneration system when compared to the non-Hybrid Silverado we drove earlier this year. Although still effective, they were a little difficult to modulate at parking lot speeds, resulting in some squeals of protest from passengers.
We briefly sampled the Sierra Hybrid’s off-road ability by traversing a light trail that featured a handful of off-camber situations. Turn a knob to shift the transfer case into four-wheel low and you can crawl along at a snail’s pace without using any gasoline. With street-oriented tires (identical to those on a standard Sierra SLE), long front overhang and a decidedly road-oriented suspension, our Sierra test vehicle was best left to bouncing across fields or dirt roads, not serious rock crawling.
Why you would buy it:
You want something that can tow a 6,100 lb. decent trailer yet consistently return 20 mpg unladen.
Why you wouldn’t:
You spend most of your time on the highway, where current hybrid technology can’t overcome a pickup’s aerodynamics.
Leftlane’s bottom line
Though on paper the Sierra Hybrid runs about $4,000 more than a similarly equipped SLE, the United States government is currently offering $2,200 in energy tax credits, which substantially offsets the premium. $1,800 might seem like a lot for a 6 mpg improvement in town, but with ever-volatile gas prices, it might not take that long for the Hybrid to pay out.
We saw decent and consistent figures during our week-long evaluation and, it seems to us, that another generation or two of this powertrain and GM might be able to reach the stringent new fuel economy standards recently set forth by the Obama administration – a commendable feat for a rather un-aerodynamic hauler.
2009 GMC Sierra 4×4 Hybrid 3HB base price, $47,675. As tested, $49,645.
Power sunroof, $995; Destination, $975.
Words and photos by Andrew Ganz.
07/08, 7:18 PM
posted by:
Lariat Luxury Locomotive Liner No.3
Why you wouldn’t:
GM makes it.
07/08, 7:34 PM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
Sorry, but NO! I’d rather get an F-150!
07/08, 7:35 PM
posted by:
iluvamcars
LLLLN3-Thats, thats just nice. This pickup happens to be the most reliable automobile on the market. Remember that douchebag.
07/08, 7:37 PM
posted by:
andy
if i were to buy a crew cab truck, this would easily be it… and come this fall when its time for a new vehicle, i just may
07/08, 9:19 PM
posted by:
Lariat Luxury Locomotive Liner No.3
Why you wouldn’t:
iluvamcars approves of it.
07/08, 9:43 PM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
haaahaaahahaaaa!!!!
07/08, 10:06 PM
posted by:
MHW
Why you would buy it:
because Lariat Luxury Locomotive and idrinorbarsaku don’t approve of it.
Let’s see your F-150 get that kind of mileage!
07/08, 10:13 PM
posted by:
johnnycanuck
If you’re armed with cash (and this is in Canada) you can currently buy a brand new full size Chevy pickup for less than $16,000. Even if you had to double that in order to put yourself in a 4 door 4WD the difference would probably cover what your additional fuel expenses would be until either you or the truck dies.
That said, it is amazing technology. But I’d rather someone else be the guinea pig.
07/08, 10:15 PM
posted by:
DenverGuy217
F-150 will get much better mileage as it sits on the side of the road broken down (again)
07/08, 10:15 PM
posted by:
Lariat Luxury Locomotive Liner No.3
Ford didn’t take a bailout, last I recall.
07/08, 10:37 PM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
ahhahh you people make me laugh! If you are buying a truck to save gas, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE WRONG VEHICLE SEGMENT!!!! And 50 grand for a gm truck is just as much of a joke as you trying to tell your buddies at lunch that your towing **** with a hybrid truck! I’ll stick with the FORD…proven reliability…proven company that knows how to manage it’s money!
50 grand, I still can’t believe that price, wait a couple months and they will lose half of their value and they will offer thousands of dollars off!
And, last time I checked, all hybrids from gm have completely sucked A$$! Those mpg rating should have been the standard on their regular car, not hybrid version!
07/08, 11:50 PM
posted by:
MHW
idrinorbarsaku, your post is very ignorant to say the least. I have owned 8 GM trucks in a row and all of them have had excellent reliability as well as high resale. GM has had the best selling full-size line for years. If they all sucked as you suggest GM would only move a fraction of the full-size trucks that they currently sell. I personally own an 08 Duramax for my pulling duties, my one and only point was that the truck in review gets the best mileage in it’s segment. And just for kicks, why don’t you tell me all about that proven Ford reliability when it comes to the Powerstroke diesel!
07/09, 1:57 AM
posted by:
leftwingagenda
i’m a ford fan, but don’t go pretending they’re the google of auto companies, they’re not…they have only had a few profitable quarters since 2005 and narrowly dodged getting clobbered by the financial meltdown…if that is “proving” they know how to manage money to you, in my opinion you have a very flimsy definition, to me it’s a good dose of lucky timing…they began their restructuring a few years ago and didn’t get hit at the worst possible time…
and by the way, if this crisis continues for several more years, they will need an infusion of money or face bankruptcy too…
07/09, 3:09 AM
posted by:
worst 3
well said leftwingagenda, hopefully they wont need money. i see hybrid pickups becoming the norm soon so no point making fun of them as minimum mpg increases, and there nothing wrong looking for hybrid that pull and save you gas. they use hybrid trains and the are for pulling.
better the a Prius
07/09, 3:43 AM
posted by:
Bankruptcy2009
MHW F-150 was rated with the Best Fuel Economy of Any Full Sized Pickup at 21 MPG that’s something the GMC can’t offer. Besides being off a gallon that Got Mechanic Coming will be the shop before it reaches 50,000 I’ll bet.
I’ll Take America’s Number One Selling, Best ResSale Value, Long Lasting, Best MPG, Best Pickup Period the Ford Motor Company Proud F-150 the Best Selling Vehicle on the Planet!
07/09, 6:55 AM
posted by:
carstuff
id, commercial companies are looking for improved mpg, especially city. This is the future for contractors with the upcoming mpg requirements (looking after 2012 which is coming fast) and after 2015 the mpg requirements are going to really jump so get ready.
Price needs to come down and a basic model offered. Issue is money is made on the uplevel options and the hybrid equipment is very expensive.
07/09, 7:19 AM
posted by:
carstuff
Took a look at actual numbers:
30k mile per year (commercial city)
$4 gas
14 mpg vs. 20 mpg
Would give a savings of $2600 per year. So with the tax credit it pays off in less than a year. But even at the $4000 cost, payback would be in less than 2 years.
Issue is they have to put this hybrid system into a commercial contented vehicle. Until then will not sell well to commercial enterprises.
07/09, 9:24 AM
posted by:
ihustle
The F-150 is the Filet mignon of trucks. Anything else is a Chuck steak. When buying a pick up truck gas milage is the least of your concerns. If gas milage was your main concern you wouldn’t even be buying a truck. If im buying a truck i want the best. With the F-150 theres really no comparissons. Its the best selling VEHICLE in the world.
07/09, 9:53 AM
posted by:
golf4me
I didn’t think this had a CVT? I think its a 4sp auto.??? hmmm
“In normal driving, acceleration is mostly linear once you get used to the consistent engine speeds under acceleration courtesy of its transmission. Under heavy acceleration, such as freeway merging, the CVT gets a little confused at the upper end of the rev range, occasionally resulting in a momentary lull. It’s a little disconcerting at first, but we got used to quirks endemic to this kind of transmission pretty quickly. “
07/09, 10:26 AM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
No, I think your wrong! In a normal economy, your statement would make lot’s of sense, but in this economy, all the other, real american, brands are bankrupt besides one, FORD! They obviously know how to manage money better! I don’t hate gm, it’s just that I always had it in my mind that my next gm vehicle would prove to be what everyone says they will be; reliable, etc… Which none of them have been! We fell for them for the time, but won’t anymore. And before you say we should have gotten a more expensive gm, we had a 2001 express conversion van by starcraft, 2003 suburban lt, 2003 silverado 4 door, 2003/2004 impala lt and ls, 2007 saturn aura xr. The all had problems, our favorite ones, the suburban and express had the most expensive problems of them all! the express had some kind of wire shortage from the factory that would cause the battery to die in a couple of days. They had to reinstall every single wire(throughout the whole car) all over again, Would you believe that cost well over 9k!?!?!?! The suburban had the common abs sensor problem that would cause the rear wheels to lock while driving, we had bad luck with it because it decided to happen while we were highway with my dad.
With that said, I honestly favor those 2 vehicles over any other vehicle we have ever owned! NO LIE THERE! But, i wouldn’t buy them again, unless an offer that I couldn’t pass up came by!
There are obviously thousands of people who feel the way I feel or else GM wouldn’t be losing so much stock value and money!
You can say that my post is ignorant, but anything else would be a complete lie!
If you see an extremely obese person eating 7 whoppers, and you tell them that “the alternative, Subway, is healthier, does less damage to your arteries and veins!” he will call you ignorant and a jerk for making fun of them! Truth hurts sometimes!
07/09, 10:30 AM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
carstuff,
do doubt I see hybrids being the future of construction companies and other fleets, that will probably be the number one way to reduce their price for the average consumer. If this hybrid is only sells to the general public, their prices will remain high. The thing I wonder though is, in the prius, if you drive with 4 adults in it, your mpg drops by more than half, how will this be any different, and don’t forget that you will also be towing with this!
07/09, 11:09 AM
posted by:
CADDY-V
Nice truck
07/09, 12:19 PM
posted by:
SoCalFiveO
i think it is soo fukin stupid that they would do this…you buy a truck to use it as a truck,pull loads,trailors,mudding. you dont buy a truck for gas mileage…..you buy a fusion hybrid. it just makes no sense to build a truck that cant be used as a truck
07/09, 12:40 PM
posted by:
Bankruptcy2009
idrinorbarsaku First off your right on alot of counts. The thing is A Hybrid in a Truck only makes sense if it really actually turns a Decent Fuel Economy say 40 to 45 MPG. Some say no way. I say yes way.
Right now No one knows how it can be done only that eventually someone will figure a way to make a Truck get that mileage and do what its suppose to do haul heavy Loads. This is where are great New Electrical Engineers come in, and were not talking Warp Drives and Dilithium Crystals of Beam me up Scotty that is way off in the Future. This is obtainable. Yes True SoCalFiveO a Pickup today can not do both well, but they will eventually. ANd I’m sorry but Mild Hybrids really don’t cut the cheese much less the mustard when it comes to giving the customer a break at the Fuel pump and do it chores.
07/09, 1:38 PM
posted by:
A4
I’ve seen one of the original generation models… its pretty dumb.
07/09, 1:56 PM
posted by:
leftwingagenda
i don’t agree that the fact ford didn’t go bankrupt is proof they’re good at managing money, i just don’t…i’m not calling your post ignorant, either, i just don’t agree ;P i don’t think you’re considering the fact that ford is not out of the woods, they are not consistently profitable, even today…their june sales numbers were “good” only with respect to the fact they were down -8.3% compared to last year…get the point? that number is still negative…that’s not good…that’s not proving they’re good at managing money, they are still operating in the red, which means they’re still in danger…they will eventually fail like gm and c if the economic slide continues…
that’s my point, basically…you can’t claim victory now, the race isn’t over…they have dodged some bullets, yes, and i fully respect that…and don’t get me wrong, i’ve profited off of that fact too…i’m not lumping ford in with c and gm, but i’m not going to walk out on that limb and say they’re good at managing money just yet…
07/09, 2:08 PM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
leftwingagenda,
do you realize what that -8.3 percent to the world’s car economy means? compared to other car companies who were down 20 to almost 50%? It means they are doing pretty god damn amazing! Get my point? They are much closer to getting back on their feet than any of the american cars. And what victory are you talking about? Ford simply manages money better because they run on smaller budgets, and they can shift stocks and money funds to where it suits and helps them. GM didn’t have that option.
Ford has many new things that are coming out that changes the way their cars will look for the years to come, which is similar to what is going on with gm, but the problem that gm has is that they started doing it before their problem went to he!! and now their image still remains the same after their bankruptcy.
07/09, 3:13 PM
posted by:
The Stig
Duramax 4500 and a 6-7 speed would be better for this segment.
07/09, 3:45 PM
posted by:
Andrew Ganz
@ golf4me
The transmission is a CVT with four fixed gears for manual-style shifting (towing, hills, etc).
07/09, 4:02 PM
posted by:
MHW
I’m glad to see leftwingagenda enter this discussion, he is proof that not all Ford fans ride the short bus. To say the F-150 gets better mileage than the Sierra hybrid is simply false! It’s also simply false to say Ford sells more full-size trucks than GM. Everyone should know by now that Ford can only make their best-selling claims based on themselves vs Chevy, but when you put Ford against GM, GM has sold the most full-size trucks for years. Since idrinorbarsaku likes numbers Fords YTD full-size truck sales are down 34.6%, Chevy’s are down 35.2%, looks about the same to me.
07/09, 6:36 PM
posted by:
jayjc08
I own an F-150, and it’s a nice truck. Plenty of haul, plenty of torque and not too hard to maneuver. Really, it’s come down to the point where it’s just about the badges on these trucks though, with the exception of a few minor differences and then the odd huge defective part that goes wrong in them. The only reason why I wouldn’t buy a Ram is because of fuel efficiency. The only reason why I wouldn’t buy a Tundra is because of their quality and structural woes. But ALL these trucks, with the exception of the loss of a regular cab in the Titan and the superhuge cab in the Ram, can be ordered with the same options, equipment, similar figures and similar prices.
What you end up coming to when purchasing a truck now is A.) brand loyalty B.) Looks and C.) Slight fuel efficiency differences.
07/09, 11:42 PM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
MHW,
thanks, I love numbers! Would you also, by any chance, have the stats on all other trucks? Just curious to see how the other trucks are doing.
07/09, 11:44 PM
posted by:
mr. texas
I think who ever wrote this could not make it any harder to read, it’s absolute terrible grammer.
07/10, 12:11 AM
posted by:
Bankruptcy2009
MHW GMC is nothing more than Badge engineered Chevy and nothing more. And to be honest with you I don’t know why GMC still survives. Because the Competition Keeps taking away from (especially) GMC not to mention Chevy. You have Toyota, Nissan, and probably soon to enter the Full Sized PU segment Honda and the Chinese, not to mention VW. All of these companies offer something a Rebadge Chevy can’t offer that is Real Different Mechanicals and Better performance. Also GMC claims to be started in 1901- but they really did not start until 1911.
1901 is the same year of course Henry Ford Started the Henry Ford Motor car company- now cadillac today. Cadillac and GM say thank you to Ford otherwise you’d be stuck with out a Luxury Brand.
Technically speaking though Henry Ford already sold his First Truck in 1896 called the Quadricycle so they beat GMC to the Punch in terms of who was actually in Business First my friend! Smoke on that FACT for awhile. lol!
But Mind you Ford Motor had a Brief Badge Engineer of Mercury Pickups just after WWII and that last for over 20 years. However, today ANY company employing badge engineering are in for the laws of excellerated diminishing returns because their not offering anything different except a Cheap different Plastic Grill and a Cheap Plastic Applique that says GMC. SO I don’t suspect GMC will be in business much longer.
Ford Trucks have always owned the sales Crown and And no sir when GMC is gone Chevy will still NOT own the sale Crown. But where it truely counts is the Numbers of Pickups sold by one brand and not a platform propped up to make their sales look greater. It done by Brand.
Ford F-150 is the Best Selling American Truck and ANY ONE who knows Trucks Knows FOr Outsells Chevy in Trucks year after year after stinkin year.
07/10, 2:02 AM
posted by:
MHW
Here are your numbers idrinorbarsaku, We have already covered Ford F-series being down 34.6% and the Chevy Silverado down 35.2%. The Dodge Ram actually doesn’t look to bad at 27.0% down followed by the GMC Sierra down 39.0%. Now this is where it gets real ugly or pretty depending on your love of imports. The Nissan Titan is down 48.8% and the Toyota Tundra is down a whopping 51.4%! These numbers clearly contradict Bankruptcy2009’s theory that the Sierra can’t compete with the imports. The Sierra alone sells more trucks than either the Titan or Tundra. Last year the Tundra was in a dead heat with the Sierra in sells, but this year the Sierra is way ahead. And for your info Bankruptcy the Sierra has different lights, bumpers, grills, hoods and fenders vs the Silverado, or in other words you have 2 body-styles to choose from. People that say GMC is pointless have a poor understanding of the truck market. And yes Bankruptcy2009, GM sells more trucks than Ford regardless of how you try and spin it!
07/10, 10:11 AM
posted by:
Bankruptcy2009
OH WOW YOU MENTIONED DIFFERENT Lights- (Hey Kids do this all the time to make they Truck stand out in cheap after market lights that sometime look better than the factory., big deal that is a 10 Cent Part and 2 cents to make it!, Cheap Front Grill and OMG you mentioned Hood and Fender oh that is just so different than what Chevy offers and its worthy of not even thinking of an Import that is using 21st Century Technology instead of old 20 century Technology that GM is stuck on like old Pushrod engines. ya Know ROFL. Your a Joke NO MHW FORD RULES THE ROOST OF MOST SOLD PICKUPS PERIOD EVERY YEAR.
Your obviously not a Truck Guy like I AM.
Oh lets set the record straight. Yeah When the economy was doing well The New Toyota Tundra was kicking the living Daylights out of the GMC (AHem Rebaged Chevy) Product. Ok this year they are off. However, if you look at Toyotas History as everyone knows whenever they miss they come back with an even More Superior Product not more BS like GM. This Tundra set alot of Performane Benchmarks for Full sized PU when it came out. I have No Doubts the next iteration will absolutely Crush your rebadged Chevy name plate not to mention the damage it will do to Chevy and GM as well. And Bout the only ones you could’nt get out of a GM pickup are GM employees that is their bread and butter no matter how inferior it may be! I rest my Case Ford Rules. Most Pickup Trucks SOLD FORD MOTOR COMPANY and now its on to dominating cars as We were. Taurus,Focus(World Car), Fusion Hybrid, Fiesta (New World Car), New European Focus, Focus RS, and Ford KA, and not to mention all the other goodies Ford has in the pipeline my Friend !
07/10, 2:58 PM
posted by:
ihustle
***MHW***** its brand vs brand. Not manufacturer vs manufacturer. GM OWNS 13 companys!!!! haha which all went bankrupt but thats besides the point. The Ford F150 is the best selling VEHICLE in the world. How can you compare the Ford F150 to GM’s whole line up????? Of course you would compare ford vs chevy. Thats brand vs brand! Your statements are truely ignorant and quite amusing. Thats like saying that the Lakers score more points then lebron James. Of course they do you jerkoff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahaha this was amusing
07/10, 3:00 PM
posted by:
ihustle
btw with the type of #’s the F150 puts out per year. Of course there loss will be greater then most. The dodge ram is over 100,000 units away from the f150 so of course there losses would be minimal because they dont sell enough trucks. NEXT
07/10, 3:23 PM
posted by:
Bankruptcy2009
Ihustle good point
07/10, 5:43 PM
posted by:
MHW
You guys are even dimmer than I thought, never once did I say Ford sells less than Chevy, all I said is that GM sells more full-size trucks than Ford which is a FACT. If you could read Bankruptcy you would see that I have owned 8 different trucks one being my current 08 Duramax. Do you even own a truck??? I will not even bother responding to the rest of your garbage since you clearly don’t have a clue what your even talking about. Regardless I have already proven my point with actual numbers so I am done with this lame argument.
07/10, 7:26 PM
posted by:
ihustle
ok quick question. MHW HOW MANY DIFFERENT TRUCKS DO GM PRODUCE?How about you Compare the F-150 to any one model truck that gm produces???? Why would you compare combined #’s of numerous trucks vs one. You havent proven anything and you should be ashamed to bring up such a ridiculous debate.
07/10, 7:47 PM
posted by:
MHW
Will it make you feel better if I say the F-series is the best-selling nameplate??? This has never even been in debate so I don’t know why you guys have your panties in a twist. All I said is that GM sells more full-size trucks (Silverado/Sierra) than FoMoCo (F-series). So whats the problem? This is a fact end of “debate”……!
07/11, 10:42 AM
posted by:
ihustle
so you agree the F series is the best selling name plate! thankyou end of debate. you cant compare two different brands vs one. Ford sells more then gmc. and ford sells more then chevy. you cant combine #’s of two different brands vs 1. if you are going to compare its model vs model. thanks for concuring
07/12, 12:17 AM
posted by:
MHW
So the real question is can you admit that GM sells more full-size trucks than FoMoCo? If the answer is yes then I will in return say thanks for concuring!
07/13, 8:47 AM
posted by:
ihustle
Yes GMS 13 brands sell more then Fords 1. Hahah ridiculous. IF they didnt there’d be an issue. F-150 best selling nameplate for any VEHICLE in the world.