Comments on: Review: 2009 GMC Sierra 4×4 Hybrid

By: ihustle

ihustle — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:47:23 +0000

Yes GMS 13 brands sell more then Fords 1. Hahah ridiculous. IF they didnt there’d be an issue. F-150 best selling nameplate for any VEHICLE in the world.

By: MHW

MHW — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:17:56 +0000

So the real question is can you admit that GM sells more full-size trucks than FoMoCo? If the answer is yes then I will in return say thanks for concuring!

By: ihustle

ihustle — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:42:03 +0000

so you agree the F series is the best selling name plate! thankyou end of debate. you cant compare two different brands vs one. Ford sells more then gmc. and ford sells more then chevy. you cant combine #’s of two different brands vs 1. if you are going to compare its model vs model. thanks for concuring

By: MHW

MHW — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:47:39 +0000

Will it make you feel better if I say the F-series is the best-selling nameplate??? This has never even been in debate so I don’t know why you guys have your panties in a twist. All I said is that GM sells more full-size trucks (Silverado/Sierra) than FoMoCo (F-series). So whats the problem? This is a fact end of “debate”……!

By: ihustle

ihustle — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:26:50 +0000

ok quick question. MHW HOW MANY DIFFERENT TRUCKS DO GM PRODUCE?How about you Compare the F-150 to any one model truck that gm produces???? Why would you compare combined #’s of numerous trucks vs one. You havent proven anything and you should be ashamed to bring up such a ridiculous debate.

By: MHW

MHW — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:43:42 +0000

You guys are even dimmer than I thought, never once did I say Ford sells less than Chevy, all I said is that GM sells more full-size trucks than Ford which is a FACT. If you could read Bankruptcy you would see that I have owned 8 different trucks one being my current 08 Duramax. Do you even own a truck??? I will not even bother responding to the rest of your garbage since you clearly don’t have a clue what your even talking about. Regardless I have already proven my point with actual numbers so I am done with this lame argument.

By: Bankruptcy2009

Bankruptcy2009 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:23:19 +0000

Ihustle good point

By: ihustle

ihustle — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:00:00 +0000

btw with the type of #’s the F150 puts out per year. Of course there loss will be greater then most. The dodge ram is over 100,000 units away from the f150 so of course there losses would be minimal because they dont sell enough trucks. NEXT

By: ihustle

ihustle — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:58:23 +0000

***MHW***** its brand vs brand. Not manufacturer vs manufacturer. GM OWNS 13 companys!!!! haha which all went bankrupt but thats besides the point. The Ford F150 is the best selling VEHICLE in the world. How can you compare the Ford F150 to GM’s whole line up????? Of course you would compare ford vs chevy. Thats brand vs brand! Your statements are truely ignorant and quite amusing. Thats like saying that the Lakers score more points then lebron James. Of course they do you jerkoff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahaha this was amusing

By: Bankruptcy2009

Bankruptcy2009 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:11:31 +0000

OH WOW YOU MENTIONED DIFFERENT Lights- (Hey Kids do this all the time to make they Truck stand out in cheap after market lights that sometime look better than the factory., big deal that is a 10 Cent Part and 2 cents to make it!, Cheap Front Grill and OMG you mentioned Hood and Fender oh that is just so different than what Chevy offers and its worthy of not even thinking of an Import that is using 21st Century Technology instead of old 20 century Technology that GM is stuck on like old Pushrod engines. ya Know ROFL. Your a Joke NO MHW FORD RULES THE ROOST OF MOST SOLD PICKUPS PERIOD EVERY YEAR.
Your obviously not a Truck Guy like I AM.

Oh lets set the record straight. Yeah When the economy was doing well The New Toyota Tundra was kicking the living Daylights out of the GMC (AHem Rebaged Chevy) Product. Ok this year they are off. However, if you look at Toyotas History as everyone knows whenever they miss they come back with an even More Superior Product not more BS like GM. This Tundra set alot of Performane Benchmarks for Full sized PU when it came out. I have No Doubts the next iteration will absolutely Crush your rebadged Chevy name plate not to mention the damage it will do to Chevy and GM as well. And Bout the only ones you could’nt get out of a GM pickup are GM employees that is their bread and butter no matter how inferior it may be! I rest my Case Ford Rules. Most Pickup Trucks SOLD FORD MOTOR COMPANY and now its on to dominating cars as We were. Taurus,Focus(World Car), Fusion Hybrid, Fiesta (New World Car), New European Focus, Focus RS, and Ford KA, and not to mention all the other goodies Ford has in the pipeline my Friend !

By: MHW

MHW — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:02:53 +0000

Here are your numbers idrinorbarsaku, We have already covered Ford F-series being down 34.6% and the Chevy Silverado down 35.2%. The Dodge Ram actually doesn’t look to bad at 27.0% down followed by the GMC Sierra down 39.0%. Now this is where it gets real ugly or pretty depending on your love of imports. The Nissan Titan is down 48.8% and the Toyota Tundra is down a whopping 51.4%! These numbers clearly contradict Bankruptcy2009’s theory that the Sierra can’t compete with the imports. The Sierra alone sells more trucks than either the Titan or Tundra. Last year the Tundra was in a dead heat with the Sierra in sells, but this year the Sierra is way ahead. And for your info Bankruptcy the Sierra has different lights, bumpers, grills, hoods and fenders vs the Silverado, or in other words you have 2 body-styles to choose from. People that say GMC is pointless have a poor understanding of the truck market. And yes Bankruptcy2009, GM sells more trucks than Ford regardless of how you try and spin it!

By: Bankruptcy2009

Bankruptcy2009 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:11:27 +0000

MHW GMC is nothing more than Badge engineered Chevy and nothing more. And to be honest with you I don’t know why GMC still survives. Because the Competition Keeps taking away from (especially) GMC not to mention Chevy. You have Toyota, Nissan, and probably soon to enter the Full Sized PU segment Honda and the Chinese, not to mention VW. All of these companies offer something a Rebadge Chevy can’t offer that is Real Different Mechanicals and Better performance. Also GMC claims to be started in 1901- but they really did not start until 1911.
1901 is the same year of course Henry Ford Started the Henry Ford Motor car company- now cadillac today. Cadillac and GM say thank you to Ford otherwise you’d be stuck with out a Luxury Brand.

Technically speaking though Henry Ford already sold his First Truck in 1896 called the Quadricycle so they beat GMC to the Punch in terms of who was actually in Business First my friend! Smoke on that FACT for awhile. lol!
But Mind you Ford Motor had a Brief Badge Engineer of Mercury Pickups just after WWII and that last for over 20 years. However, today ANY company employing badge engineering are in for the laws of excellerated diminishing returns because their not offering anything different except a Cheap different Plastic Grill and a Cheap Plastic Applique that says GMC. SO I don’t suspect GMC will be in business much longer.
Ford Trucks have always owned the sales Crown and And no sir when GMC is gone Chevy will still NOT own the sale Crown. But where it truely counts is the Numbers of Pickups sold by one brand and not a platform propped up to make their sales look greater. It done by Brand.

Ford F-150 is the Best Selling American Truck and ANY ONE who knows Trucks Knows FOr Outsells Chevy in Trucks year after year after stinkin year.

By: mr. texas

mr. texas — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:44:31 +0000

I think who ever wrote this could not make it any harder to read, it’s absolute terrible grammer.

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:42:16 +0000

MHW,
thanks, I love numbers! Would you also, by any chance, have the stats on all other trucks? Just curious to see how the other trucks are doing.

By: jayjc08

jayjc08 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:36:58 +0000

I own an F-150, and it’s a nice truck. Plenty of haul, plenty of torque and not too hard to maneuver. Really, it’s come down to the point where it’s just about the badges on these trucks though, with the exception of a few minor differences and then the odd huge defective part that goes wrong in them. The only reason why I wouldn’t buy a Ram is because of fuel efficiency. The only reason why I wouldn’t buy a Tundra is because of their quality and structural woes. But ALL these trucks, with the exception of the loss of a regular cab in the Titan and the superhuge cab in the Ram, can be ordered with the same options, equipment, similar figures and similar prices.

What you end up coming to when purchasing a truck now is A.) brand loyalty B.) Looks and C.) Slight fuel efficiency differences.

By: MHW

MHW — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:02:09 +0000

I’m glad to see leftwingagenda enter this discussion, he is proof that not all Ford fans ride the short bus. To say the F-150 gets better mileage than the Sierra hybrid is simply false! It’s also simply false to say Ford sells more full-size trucks than GM. Everyone should know by now that Ford can only make their best-selling claims based on themselves vs Chevy, but when you put Ford against GM, GM has sold the most full-size trucks for years. Since idrinorbarsaku likes numbers Fords YTD full-size truck sales are down 34.6%, Chevy’s are down 35.2%, looks about the same to me.

By: Andrew Ganz

Andrew Ganz — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:45:29 +0000

@ golf4me

The transmission is a CVT with four fixed gears for manual-style shifting (towing, hills, etc).

By: The Stig

The Stig — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:13:12 +0000

Duramax 4500 and a 6-7 speed would be better for this segment.

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:08:47 +0000

leftwingagenda,
do you realize what that -8.3 percent to the world’s car economy means? compared to other car companies who were down 20 to almost 50%? It means they are doing pretty god damn amazing! Get my point? They are much closer to getting back on their feet than any of the american cars. And what victory are you talking about? Ford simply manages money better because they run on smaller budgets, and they can shift stocks and money funds to where it suits and helps them. GM didn’t have that option.
Ford has many new things that are coming out that changes the way their cars will look for the years to come, which is similar to what is going on with gm, but the problem that gm has is that they started doing it before their problem went to he!! and now their image still remains the same after their bankruptcy.

By: leftwingagenda

leftwingagenda — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:56:41 +0000

i don’t agree that the fact ford didn’t go bankrupt is proof they’re good at managing money, i just don’t…i’m not calling your post ignorant, either, i just don’t agree ;P i don’t think you’re considering the fact that ford is not out of the woods, they are not consistently profitable, even today…their june sales numbers were “good” only with respect to the fact they were down -8.3% compared to last year…get the point? that number is still negative…that’s not good…that’s not proving they’re good at managing money, they are still operating in the red, which means they’re still in danger…they will eventually fail like gm and c if the economic slide continues…

that’s my point, basically…you can’t claim victory now, the race isn’t over…they have dodged some bullets, yes, and i fully respect that…and don’t get me wrong, i’ve profited off of that fact too…i’m not lumping ford in with c and gm, but i’m not going to walk out on that limb and say they’re good at managing money just yet…

By: A4

A4 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:38:17 +0000

I’ve seen one of the original generation models… its pretty dumb.

By: Bankruptcy2009

Bankruptcy2009 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:40:05 +0000

idrinorbarsaku First off your right on alot of counts. The thing is A Hybrid in a Truck only makes sense if it really actually turns a Decent Fuel Economy say 40 to 45 MPG. Some say no way. I say yes way.
Right now No one knows how it can be done only that eventually someone will figure a way to make a Truck get that mileage and do what its suppose to do haul heavy Loads. This is where are great New Electrical Engineers come in, and were not talking Warp Drives and Dilithium Crystals of Beam me up Scotty that is way off in the Future. This is obtainable. Yes True SoCalFiveO a Pickup today can not do both well, but they will eventually. ANd I’m sorry but Mild Hybrids really don’t cut the cheese much less the mustard when it comes to giving the customer a break at the Fuel pump and do it chores.

By: SoCalFiveO

SoCalFiveO — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:19:53 +0000

i think it is soo fukin stupid that they would do this…you buy a truck to use it as a truck,pull loads,trailors,mudding. you dont buy a truck for gas mileage…..you buy a fusion hybrid. it just makes no sense to build a truck that cant be used as a truck

By: CADDY-V

CADDY-V — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:09:47 +0000

Nice truck

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:30:56 +0000

carstuff,
do doubt I see hybrids being the future of construction companies and other fleets, that will probably be the number one way to reduce their price for the average consumer. If this hybrid is only sells to the general public, their prices will remain high. The thing I wonder though is, in the prius, if you drive with 4 adults in it, your mpg drops by more than half, how will this be any different, and don’t forget that you will also be towing with this!

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:26:42 +0000

No, I think your wrong! In a normal economy, your statement would make lot’s of sense, but in this economy, all the other, real american, brands are bankrupt besides one, FORD! They obviously know how to manage money better! I don’t hate gm, it’s just that I always had it in my mind that my next gm vehicle would prove to be what everyone says they will be; reliable, etc… Which none of them have been! We fell for them for the time, but won’t anymore. And before you say we should have gotten a more expensive gm, we had a 2001 express conversion van by starcraft, 2003 suburban lt, 2003 silverado 4 door, 2003/2004 impala lt and ls, 2007 saturn aura xr. The all had problems, our favorite ones, the suburban and express had the most expensive problems of them all! the express had some kind of wire shortage from the factory that would cause the battery to die in a couple of days. They had to reinstall every single wire(throughout the whole car) all over again, Would you believe that cost well over 9k!?!?!?! The suburban had the common abs sensor problem that would cause the rear wheels to lock while driving, we had bad luck with it because it decided to happen while we were highway with my dad.
With that said, I honestly favor those 2 vehicles over any other vehicle we have ever owned! NO LIE THERE! But, i wouldn’t buy them again, unless an offer that I couldn’t pass up came by!

There are obviously thousands of people who feel the way I feel or else GM wouldn’t be losing so much stock value and money!

You can say that my post is ignorant, but anything else would be a complete lie!
If you see an extremely obese person eating 7 whoppers, and you tell them that “the alternative, Subway, is healthier, does less damage to your arteries and veins!” he will call you ignorant and a jerk for making fun of them! Truth hurts sometimes!

By: golf4me

golf4me — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:53:58 +0000

I didn’t think this had a CVT? I think its a 4sp auto.??? hmmm

“In normal driving, acceleration is mostly linear once you get used to the consistent engine speeds under acceleration courtesy of its transmission. Under heavy acceleration, such as freeway merging, the CVT gets a little confused at the upper end of the rev range, occasionally resulting in a momentary lull. It’s a little disconcerting at first, but we got used to quirks endemic to this kind of transmission pretty quickly. “

By: ihustle

ihustle — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:24:57 +0000

The F-150 is the Filet mignon of trucks. Anything else is a Chuck steak. When buying a pick up truck gas milage is the least of your concerns. If gas milage was your main concern you wouldn’t even be buying a truck. If im buying a truck i want the best. With the F-150 theres really no comparissons. Its the best selling VEHICLE in the world.

By: carstuff

carstuff — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:19:05 +0000

Took a look at actual numbers:

30k mile per year (commercial city)
$4 gas

14 mpg vs. 20 mpg

Would give a savings of $2600 per year. So with the tax credit it pays off in less than a year. But even at the $4000 cost, payback would be in less than 2 years.

Issue is they have to put this hybrid system into a commercial contented vehicle. Until then will not sell well to commercial enterprises.

By: carstuff

carstuff — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:55:26 +0000

id, commercial companies are looking for improved mpg, especially city. This is the future for contractors with the upcoming mpg requirements (looking after 2012 which is coming fast) and after 2015 the mpg requirements are going to really jump so get ready.

Price needs to come down and a basic model offered. Issue is money is made on the uplevel options and the hybrid equipment is very expensive.

By: Bankruptcy2009

Bankruptcy2009 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:43:31 +0000

MHW F-150 was rated with the Best Fuel Economy of Any Full Sized Pickup at 21 MPG that’s something the GMC can’t offer. Besides being off a gallon that Got Mechanic Coming will be the shop before it reaches 50,000 I’ll bet.

I’ll Take America’s Number One Selling, Best ResSale Value, Long Lasting, Best MPG, Best Pickup Period the Ford Motor Company Proud F-150 the Best Selling Vehicle on the Planet!

By: worst 3

worst 3 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:09:11 +0000

well said leftwingagenda, hopefully they wont need money. i see hybrid pickups becoming the norm soon so no point making fun of them as minimum mpg increases, and there nothing wrong looking for hybrid that pull and save you gas. they use hybrid trains and the are for pulling.

better the a Prius

By: leftwingagenda

leftwingagenda — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:57:45 +0000

i’m a ford fan, but don’t go pretending they’re the google of auto companies, they’re not…they have only had a few profitable quarters since 2005 and narrowly dodged getting clobbered by the financial meltdown…if that is “proving” they know how to manage money to you, in my opinion you have a very flimsy definition, to me it’s a good dose of lucky timing…they began their restructuring a few years ago and didn’t get hit at the worst possible time…

and by the way, if this crisis continues for several more years, they will need an infusion of money or face bankruptcy too…

By: MHW

MHW — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:50:28 +0000

idrinorbarsaku, your post is very ignorant to say the least. I have owned 8 GM trucks in a row and all of them have had excellent reliability as well as high resale. GM has had the best selling full-size line for years. If they all sucked as you suggest GM would only move a fraction of the full-size trucks that they currently sell. I personally own an 08 Duramax for my pulling duties, my one and only point was that the truck in review gets the best mileage in it’s segment. And just for kicks, why don’t you tell me all about that proven Ford reliability when it comes to the Powerstroke diesel!

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:37:19 +0000

ahhahh you people make me laugh! If you are buying a truck to save gas, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE WRONG VEHICLE SEGMENT!!!! And 50 grand for a gm truck is just as much of a joke as you trying to tell your buddies at lunch that your towing **** with a hybrid truck! I’ll stick with the FORD…proven reliability…proven company that knows how to manage it’s money!

50 grand, I still can’t believe that price, wait a couple months and they will lose half of their value and they will offer thousands of dollars off!

And, last time I checked, all hybrids from gm have completely sucked A$$! Those mpg rating should have been the standard on their regular car, not hybrid version!