Seems like all that was kind of stupid and unneccessary for him to say. I also would like to comment that the first generation viper SUCKED and I know because I drove one. Sure, they were pretty fast, but they couldn’t handle for ****. In my opinion, they were terrible. Not to say it wasn’t some sort of accomplishment, because I’m sure it was… I just don’t think it was a good one.

Um, yeah…the first gen Viper was atrocious when it came to handling, the Chrysler started a ‘viper Driving Course’ so owners could learn how to drive the car. If he thinks the new Vette is the best sports car in the world, he is as diluted as the UAW leaders he is currently fighting with. And people wonder why GM is going down the tubes.

Jon.

The 1st gen viper WAS good for it’s time… 1992.
The suspension got better around 1998/1999 with the help of a factory backed racing program.

The new Viper is continuously praised as being superior on the track to the Z06, but worse on the street.

The Vette is a good sports car/tourer. The viper is a good sports car/tourer. I wouldn’t put either in the league as Ferrari, Lambo, etc…. but you have to look at the target audience. the Z06 costs $100,000.00 less than a 911 Turbo and has about the same performance. You will not have teh same clientelle for the two.

Lutz did a great job at Chryco, and appears to be doing a great job so far at GM. I assume his next stop is Ford after GM gets back on track.

I think that idiot doesn’t know that there are other cars in the world other than ZO6 & Viper.

Greg: He’s pretending his only competition belongs to the same yacht club.

j i m

#include
#include
using namespace std;

int main()
{
string comment = “You’re stupid for thinking 1st gen Viper is good.”;

if (1st gen viper == best )
cout

Mike,

Oh, yeah GM is doing fantastically well. Wait; let me take off my rose-colored glasses, and OMG! It’s all gone horribly wrong! GM is sinking faster than the Titanic!

Jon.

with improved sales in almost* every model across the board? GM knows what needs to be done to revitalize its product lineup. They are STILL the WORLDS #1 automaker.

Personally, I have had a bad experience with a 1992 Saturn Coupe, and a couple issues with a 1989 pontiac station wagon; HOWEVER, I am not blinded by my prejudice and am willing to admit that with Lutz driving the ship (just as he did with Chryco) that things are turning around and soon the product will be considered world class.

actually mike, GM is headed downwards, the only way it has been having “improved sales” has been by offering huge price cuts, selling cars at THOUSANDS under MSRP. Toyota and Honda and Nissan sell their cars at MSRP, and that seems to be working well for them, considering that even though at the current time GM is the worlds #1 automaker, in the next few years toyota will overtake them as #1. and that’s not even a disputed statement. its a fact.

Maybe they wont be number one, but they are getting much better, and I dont even wanna argue about it, because only time will tell. Lets just wait and see.

well they really need to make their cars look better.. *cough* cobalt impala aveo monte carlo malibu hhr ssr avalanch equinox *cough*

best sports car in the world eh? rotf w/e Lutz

making a statement that a prediction of the future is a fact. interesting.

Dollar for dollar the Corvette Z06 is a better deal then the Viper and is the better car. The Z06 is actually quite better then a lot of really high end sorts cars, just take a gander at the Ring times.

I have been hearing a lot of hype about the next round of GM vehicles. Lets WAIT AND SEE if they can deliver instead of making biased statements towards either them failing or succeeding. I know they have hyped in the past, but things may be different now, hopefully they can overcome the current financial troubles because I truly believe if they do, they will be competetive again soon. If you want to rip my comments apart, go ahead, but only time will tell, not “Jon”. As for the Corvette, nothing beats it for the price.

The new zo6 is GMs best ever production car, thats a fact (they said it). The viper srt10 is not DCs best car. If you compare GM to DC, DC kicks GMs ass. DC has mclaren, mercedes, pagani, koinsegg, and that new brand, caporo. And what does GM have, chevy. CHEVY, thats it, Bum frick chevy. When you want to buy sports cars, you dont buy a bum frick chevy, you buy something that no one else has, something differant, not a chevy, chevys are everywere, i see em every day. How often do you see a friggin mclaren? Huh? When you want a sports car, dont get a stupid vette, thats like going luxary car shopping and coming home with a fricking buick.

And besides, GM is going bankrupt (there going to die), and DaimlerChrysler isn’t. In fact, ever since DC brought back the HEMI, sales have been doing nothing but going up. I predict, within the near future (a decade or two), GM will eventually die, and DC will overtake the #1 position in top american car brands.

“The Vette is a good sports car/tourer. The viper is a good sports car/tourer. I wouldn’t put either in the league as Ferrari, Lambo, etc…. but you have to look at the target audience. the Z06 costs $100,000.00 less than a 911 Turbo and has about the same performance. You will not have teh same clientelle for the two.”
Comment by Mike

Um, handling-wise…I think the 911 turbo still has the edge. As far as the new 997 turbo…that should be interesting once the test numbers are released.

you *think* because as you stated in another thread, you work for Porsche so you are a little biased.

Look at the C6-R and the C7-R. Look at track figures of the Z06.

I understand you work for porsche, but even you have to admit the inherent downfall of a rear engined vehicle is the handeling characteristics. Porsche has done an excelent job of engineering suspension geometry to minimize these negative traits, but it still exists, nonetheless.

Yeah Lutz, assuming when the time comes when you quit your job and goes to Ford. He will be saying the same nice things about the Mustang and blah…blah…It seems GM and Lutz is desperate for some good PR mileage to distract people because of GM’s current problems.

Lutz was il informed since the next Viper will up the ante that will shake the GM foundations since they are limited with the current LS7 motor. LOL

“Lutz my friend, take heed with the next 2008 Dodge Viper codename ZC700.”

Then they are two more super Hemis in the work and we hope that the first one will appear at SEMA this year. Something even Z06 cannot compete against.

More thorns in Lutz side for leaving.

There’s a new Viper in the works for 2008? That’s news to me. Do people even buy vipers any more? Sice the last “total redesign” which was a fews years ago I’ve only seen 1 on the road.

WOW, predictions GM will die, and one person who would nevr buy a frickin chevy sports car, very very funny

Toyota will more than likely take over the #1 spot, will they hold it, well thats kinda up to GM

I firmly believe GM is not going to die, they sell ALOT of vehicles, lets not forget that, also, I went and checked out thier current cars, the new Tahoe is damn impressive, and while the Cobalts interior leaves something to be desired, it chassis and over all solidness and quiteness really impressed me, will I buy a cobalt, nope, but I would consider an Impala, quite powerful, and very comfortable, with a fantastic interior, that car blew me away, and in base form, as Edmunds.com said, “this is the best Chevy Sedan in a very long time”

With vehicles like the Solstice, Saturn renewed opel lineup, I think GM can make a comeback, and I think they do have the right man at the helm right now.

Now, on to the Z06, and the Corvette in general, The Viper has never won a comparo in any magazine that I have read, the z06 is faster, and a much better handling car.

As for a Chevy not being in the realm of a Ferrari, if your talking about exclusivness, maybe, but you certainly are not talking about performance, as one review said

“If all Chevy cars were as good as the Corvette, GM would not have any problems”, I think that sums it up