Comments on: GM’s Lutz admits new Toyota Tundra “very, very, very well executed”

By: shaver

shaver — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:32:15 +0000

WOW you guys are funny. I cant say I know much about the new Toyota, but it looks like its actually full size unlike the last 2. The big engines numbers look good and the first 1/2 ton to offer a 6 speed tranny is impressive. Traditionally Toyotas have several weaknesses, weak brakes, poor steering feel, oh so thin sheet metal, and of course no bargain pricing. Poor steering feel is acceptable on a full size, and the pricing will be offset by good resale values. Weak brakes are very bad news on a truck with 10K towing cap. But their traditional thin sheet metal is unacceptable in a workmans truck, hopefully they will make this big boy with decent sheetmetal. That said I have not seen one in person yet but in the photos this is an ugly ass truck. Also I’ve read they pulled out of their plans to enter the HD market, probably because sales prospects for that market look down over next couple years.

By: chuckles

chuckles — Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:51:46 +0000

Lambo – So because I have done my homework on trucks and know more than the average person about them that makes me a hick? Of you’re referring to the grammer of my previous post, I was trying to talk in language that the some of the more simplistic fellows (GM boys) on this blog could understand, and for that I appologize.(Ha)

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:39:40 +0000

deantj just implied that you had made statements claiming it didn’t exist, look at his posts

By: mujician

mujician — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:05:35 +0000

Ok,Ok, where did I say anything about global warming not existing??? I live in Minnesota. If their is any evidence of global warming in the states it is Minnesota. It’s January, their is not even an inch of snow and the temp has been at an average of 38 degrees.
Point being, I guess if I said something about global warming not existing, I obviously ment opposite.

By: denny

denny — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:59:29 +0000

When the price of gas goes up, do Tundra owners experience Prius-envy??

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:08:41 +0000

oh and mujician…you don’t believe global warming exists? where do you live, under a rock? or just don’t get out much? or just naive? maybe ALL THREE?! sad, truly sad

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:06:32 +0000

hahahaha oh god, this thread has been comical to read everyone, people getting offended at deantj’s insults, chuckles’ first post being about as homeboy country shit as i’ve ever seen, and this his second was magically of eloquent construction, the fact is that i agree with deantj on this, the GM offerings are improvements over the last gen, but then again a piece of my very own feces would qualify as an improvement over the last gen, this toyota is engineered to beat the domestics at their own game, which it will do

By: mujician

mujician — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:52:27 +0000

Deantj, I’m not a Mexican, I’m not from the south, I don’t live in the suburbs, and I don’t really care for your opinion. The fact is that your IGNORANT and don’t care about anything. Frankly, I’m just sick of your blogs. Please,Please,Please… no more comments. They got old many moons ago.

By: Jon Luc

Jon Luc — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:28:52 +0000

Deantj. What is with all of your obscenities & name calling? Have you not learned how to use your vocabulary? Please, for your sake, come back when you’ve learned how to express yourself in a dignified manner.

By: mujician

mujician — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:46:13 +0000

Thank you, someone needs to put deantj in his grave, he never knows what he is talking about and has nothing informative to say. Also a very ignorant person.

By: chuckles

chuckles — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:36:24 +0000

deantj-
Not a hick, not in-bred, not from the south, don’t live in a double wide, don’t shop at Home Depot, don’t own a GM product (I couldn’t surmise about the quality of the new Silverado/Sierra offerings, I haven’t researched them enough.). I’m not just speculating about only one area of the truck, there are many and I still say, decent enough overall but still a generation out. Please refrain from obcenities, it shows your ignorance.

By: The Stig

The Stig — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:58:11 +0000

The 2007 2500HD Duramax looks like a fine offering I must say. I would like, however, that drivetrain in the 1500 series. As for the Toyota … whatever.

By: Fatstrat

Fatstrat — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:22:26 +0000

Time for a long walk deantj. I dont care if you are the surgon general, you are the loser here. You dont know what people do with their trucks, your views on GM trucks. Mine has been bullet proof, and I am sure my next one (2007 2500HD Duramax) will be as well.

By: chuckles

chuckles — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 04:09:32 +0000

Ha HA! It is so funny to see when the children start posting. Surmising what it will be like when they will someday get to drive, or they _are_ of driving age, but are confined to their “teething car”. Of course the new truck on the block is going to make you wet your panties.
I did discover why they “rate” the truck at #10K with the 5.7l, it’s hilarious…4.10 and 4.33 axles? Now I know that gets confusing for the city boys here…we have some problems Houston. I can see it now…petro back at $3.00+/gallon, all the posers will be trading them shiney new trucks for economy cars again. Boys, I can tell you the truck is not getting (quote) 20 MPG with 4.33 gears…
Yes, they put the ponies under the hood, we _hope_ they put a tranny behind it, boy they got the gear ratios?! But, at the end of the day you still have to have the backbone to make it happen…all I can say is where’s the beef?
I remember when Dodge came out with their “contender” in 1993…c-channel frame…by 40-50k on the odometer they popped like a tin can all day long.
Like I said before, lots of nice features (I see they stole alot from the leader’s playbook), not too bad looking, nice big grille, I’m even sure they will do ok, after all…the city folk will buy them. They don’t really have to worry themselves with things like payloads and GCWR’s.
The truck is still a generation away from today’s target…and the target is moving.

By: roadmaster96

roadmaster96 — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:38:09 +0000

I just found out that the 5.7L has 381 Hp@5,600 RPM and 401ft/lbs of torque @ 3,600. runs on regular.

DOHC 32-valve with Variable Valve Timing. 3UR-FE 5.7L V8 with open-deck cast aluminum block with siamezed steel-lined cylinders.

By: Jon Luc

Jon Luc — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:52:35 +0000

I’m 300 miles north of Ft. McMurray, Alberta. lol Togo’s right. In our industry, we need it.

By: LamborghiniZ

LamborghiniZ — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:41:50 +0000

This truck is really scaring the domestic humpers, they’re getting uncomfortable with how good it’s going to be and have to get defensive, kind of pathetic

By: Togo

Togo — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:12:47 +0000

If I went steven king on you you’d have shat your pants. I would have probably shat myself just writing it.

lol.

By: oddglat

oddglat — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:52:10 +0000

ok Togo i believe you work for.. but you don’t need to write a Steven king novel to explain it.

By: oddglat

oddglat — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:41:29 +0000

devilsadvocatewhy do i care if the money goes back to japan it could go to the planet ZAPP but i don’t give a damn because this truck is BUILT by hard working AMERICANS UNLIKE so the “import” hatin’ crusade is getting older than GM Car lineup
I predict you are a frustrated 15 year old import hater because GM cannot rule the world anymore with sub-standard cars/trucks.

Quit playing that same lame anti import BS and admit Toyota HAVE got a contender to the big 2.5

By: GMnumberone4ever

GMnumberone4ever — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:41:23 +0000

Lutz is giving credit where it’s due. Period.

There is no credit due here. Lutz will be pissing on Toyotas grave by the end of the year. Could it be possible that Lutz is smoozing because he has plans to purchase the ailling automaker? I’m sure Gm plants could use a few more goons to clean the bathrooms.

By: devilsadvocate

devilsadvocate — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:39:37 +0000

oddglat, “the money goes back to Japan”, baby! Look, forget about the fact that Americans can buy stocks in their companies and earn div on their profits… that’s only for all them fancy, rich, Wallstreet, city folks. And just remember: if you’re not UAW, you’re not a real American auto worker.

By: devilsadvocate

devilsadvocate — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:20:09 +0000

Nothing gets these truck-billies worked up like talking about Toyota trucks–hahaha. I love seeing them perpetuate the ‘insecure truck (suv) owner’ stereotype.

Lutz is giving credit where it’s due. Period.

By: oddglat

oddglat — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:15:47 +0000

togo.

–Why haven’t you stated the company you work for? Next you will be say that you are the master of bulshitio.

“The new tundra is not a bad truck, but it isn’t a heavy duty work truck.”

–have you driven the NEW tundra yet? Or is this yet another Internet road test? if it isn’t a HEAVY DUTY truck then why the heck does it have a massive 10,000lb hauling capability?

way are is there a lot of import haters on this forum? By the way this so-called “evil” import is in fact assembled in TEXAS built by hard working Americans but obviously you do not see that fact because you are on a anti-Japanese crusade ridiculing every product they build… do you hate the Sony Playstation too?

By: Togo

Togo — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:15:46 +0000

chuckles / Shumpy..

Right on the money. This is indeed a light duty truck. People say that “most people don’t use their truck for hauling / working.” That is the part of the market that has eroded the most.

My company globally probably bought 10,000 trucks last year, every one of them to be worked.

Guess how many were toyotas? 0.

this year again.. 0

There IS market for the Tundra, but its underengineered skeleton will ensure that they won’t be being bought by the 10s, 100s or thousands by companies who need a tough truck.

As was mentioned, Ford tried the non boxed rear frame 27 years ago. The results were ugly.

A gentleman on blueoval news made the best comment saying that based on GVWR and payload, you’re going to be at 10/10ths all the time. The thing is basically maxed out and light duty work is all it will be great at.

The new tundra is not a bad truck, but it isn’t a heavy duty work truck.

By: Jon Luc

Jon Luc — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:53:58 +0000

Norby, I havn’t seen any of your commercials. I guess I was wrong about the point, but I guess it comes down to geography, of where you live,work,play. You prolly live in a town with more than 300,000 people. I don’t. Where I live, our trucks ARE the only vehicle of choice. They are mostly the big 3, very few imports. Why? It’s not because of their engines or drivetrains. It’s the solidity of the truck itself. It’s the physical strength. I work in gravel pit with a neighbouring mine. The imports just can’t cut it with the work needed.
Gabage, if you bothered to read my post all the way through, I do believe I did give you an actual example of where your truck doesn’t measure up.

By: Me

Me — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:58:02 +0000

Mujician, facts don’t have to always be written down in a blog or magazine. My facts are I drive a few of these cars -as rentals, others’ cars, etc.- and I can’t wait to get back to my own cars. I’d argue that “owner’s perception” is the ONLY thing that matters in cars. You cannot tell me that driving a G6 sedan (I haven’t driven a coupe) is better than driving a Camry SE, for example. I won’t believe you based on my experience. Not all judgement on brands comes from anti-import or anti-American or anti-German. I was raised in Texas. I don’t live there now, but, I know trucks. I know what people use trucks for. My first two vehicles were trucks. I’ve had several since. I can tell you that the Toyota Tundras that I’ve been in are the nicest, most well-built trucks and are very capable despite being undersized up to this point. My fact is, Tundra is better and more reliable than the other brands that I’ve owned (Chevy, Ford and GMC). Fact.

By: mujician

mujician — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:32:43 +0000

Did I just call the Honda Civic a Prius, sorry everyone for being a retard???

By: mujician

mujician — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:51:21 +0000

Exactly,numbers do speak for themselves, that’s why Ford sold the most last years and 29 years previous, GM and Dodge have gone back and forth for number two, usually number 2 going to GM. Before you people log a comment like domestics are f’ed, look at the product comparisons, no I mean really look, that new Tundra has a weakness under every panel.
As for all of you complaining about all the foreign hating, come on, I’ve said in the past that the automotive market is the best example of what is going on throught the american economy. Domestic product is being lost to foreign markets, why, not because their quality is better, and I would love to see someone actually back up that claim. Ower perception of foreign products are way over rated and ower american products are way over analized.
Just yesterday I was speaking with a gentlman about a Ford Focus and how he found out that the trannys have issues. He found a similar complained 16 times on a national site. We looked it up, the funny thing is their were 3 times more complaints about trannys on a Toyota Carolla and litterally hundreds of complaints on various items on the Honda Prius, Subaru and Chrysler were in their two. The funny thing is that of all these 16 negative comments came from a list of 600+ people discussing the Focus.
If someone is going to say anything good or bad fine, but bring your facts to the table to, not just on one item, but on all in their competition.
For everyone hating on foreign product, the rest of us have to realize that it is a chunk out of ower economy. I’m not saying I’m all for the bashing, but you can understand were the emotions are comming from.

By: GMnumberone4ever

GMnumberone4ever — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:36:13 +0000

Yup, Ford, Nissan, Dodge and now Toyota are soon victims of the American Revolution. As someone above said, they are dogshit beneath your feet. This pile of crap isn’t going to harm the mighty GM one single bit. If anything, this just means 200,000 prospective Tundra buyers are going to be added to the GM fray. Nobody is going to buy this thing. It’s not a real truck.

By: dre

dre — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:48:54 +0000

i love toyota trucks, simply amazing and tuff….. numbers speak for themselves, stop hatin

By: roadmaster96

roadmaster96 — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:13:41 +0000

That’s true, profits made on Japanese products made in America go to Japan and profits made on American cars made in Mexico or Canada (like my 300) come back to the states.

By: chuckles

chuckles — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:16:52 +0000

norby413 –

I’m glad you consider that a car “assembled” (correction made)on American soil to be American.

Too bad those same said companies to which you are obviously referring take the profits that are made to Japan.

By: Simple Life

Simple Life — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:43:14 +0000

Bob, wtf are you talking about! Either you’re being really nice or really stupid. These trucks are toys next to your trucks. Unreliable, weakass toys!

Stand up proud man! Be proud of your rigs! You’re looking at the end of an era, Ford and Dodge don’t stand a chance of surviving and the Nissans and Toyotas? Shit, those are just toys!

Put a nail in each of them coffins Bob, they’re cowshit beneath your feet. You’ve won. Congratulations are in order. Don’t go kissing Toyotas ass now.

By: Fatstrat

Fatstrat — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:13:52 +0000

that ‘survey’ would hardly be an accurate representation of what people use their trucks for. Its like thinking people don’t need a 9 passenger SUV because you see them driving by themselves.
Most people dont haul loads of stuff to park at the mall with. I have seen plenty of trucks out in the woods and at the dump and at home depot full of bricks that look nice and clean (like mine). That would be pride of ownership. Just because you drive in and out of job sites dosent mean your truck is going to look a wreck.
Toyota has tried for years to make more inroads into the Big 3 makers share, most noticably by competing in the Craftsman Truck series. Also in the various off road racing series where, funny enough, Ford Rangers still compete rather well.

By: norby413

norby413 — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:05:49 +0000

jonluc,
Sorry, the “majority” of american full size truck buyers are not construction workers that haul 10klbs worth of boulders to work everyday. Those are COMMERCIALS!
Do a survey at your local mall. Take a good look at every full size truck in the parking lot and tell me how many have ANY dings or scratches in the bed. Or any other signs of hard work.
The majority of truck buyers, like the majority of SUV buyers, never use their vehicles for anything tougher than bouncing over speed bumps, and never put anything in the bed heavier than that new couch from Ethan Allen.
Toyota will continue to erode the big 3′s market share by simply building better vehicles. They have no need for giant rebates, discounts, etc.
And yes, I consider a car built on american soil to be an american car.

By: mujician

mujician — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:13:26 +0000

This is a hell of an attempt at a full size, but their hitting this market in the wrong areas. I think chuckles was the only one to actually dig into the guts of this truck, and he exposed the biggest weakness that will kill this truck. The truck isn’t solid if the skeleton is weak. I just want to see what the company that has lead this segment for 30 years has to say then they come up with their redesigned pickup in 2008???

By: shumpy

shumpy — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:46:28 +0000

GarbageMotorsCo

last time I checked the rear frame of the new tundra is not boxed.

They say you don’t need it to be boxed.. Ford found out the hard way in 1980 that you do if you want a serious work truck..

By: MC

MC — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:55:02 +0000

Look at Mr. Lutz trying to kiss ass. lol Can anyone tell me where John Moss is?

By: Random Jerk

Random Jerk — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:47:38 +0000

Yes, weaknesses. With only 5 lug bolt patterns the wheels are surely to fall off and without a completely hydroformed frame the the truck will likely fold in half under load.

By: chuckles

chuckles — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:51:26 +0000

garbage-

Granted there are some idiots that post on these blogs, with that said…

Toyota will not fail, I just state that the truck is still sub-par. If you read my earlier posts I did point out just a few areas of weakness in the truck.

Scared? No.

By: GarbageMotorsCo

GarbageMotorsCo — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:25:49 +0000

oddglat-
#1 The only thing toyota has done for america is make domestics better.
#2 Don’t confuse assembly with build.
#3 If you do your research on the previous gen Tundra and the new gen Tundra, you will see that it is still an inferior truck to the offerings by GM and Ford. They need to come to the game with more than size and a big grille. The best way to describe it makes me think of my favorite movie when Tommy Callahan is selling the guy brake pads and he says: “The reason they put a guarantee on the on the box is because they know all they sold you was a guaranteed piece of S–T!”
#4 I’ve been reading this board since it started, funny how the tables have turned, this used to literally be exclusively the place where domestics were bashed and hated on.
#5 You need to do some reading up on quaility and reliability. Toyota management’s arrogance and neglect of manufacturing and build on their vehicles is beginning to catch up with them. Just yesterday I see that they have a _3.3 million_ vehicle problem with engines and oil gelling/sludge.
#6 I don’t hate Toyota, my comments have only reflected that many will say this Tundra is as good as the domestics and it is not close (yet).

Again, all subjective comments. Nobody has given actual examples of where this truck doesn’t measure up. There is nothing but bias here, no actual facts.

halflifehavock, got a link to that? Much appreciated, thanx.

By: halflifehavock

halflifehavock — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:17:52 +0000

Everyone, read the most recent winding road issue where they test the new sierra.

By: GMnumberone4ever

GMnumberone4ever — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:10:16 +0000

Screw you Phil, Lutz is not arrogant, you import freaks are the arrogant ones. Bob knows this truck is a pathetic attempt at a full size and that buyers are going to choose the Silverado and Sierra over some foreign pile of trash any day of the week.

Get over it. Toyota is losing, GM is kicking their ass.

Hail Bob! Youda man!

By: chuckles

chuckles — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:30:24 +0000