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  • Government-funded study says plug-in subsidies a bad deal

    By Mark Kleis - Posted December 21st 2009

    Vice President Joe Biden has announced that the Obama administration plans to push more than triple the current $2.4 billion allotted in tax credits for manufacturers of advanced energy technologies – including the batteries for plug-in hybrid vehicles. A recent study by the congressionally chartered body, the National Research Council, concluded that plug-in hybrids will most likely not produce meaningful savings in emissions or fuel consumption for at least two decades.

    The report pointed to the high cost of batteries as the main concern, and suggested that not even heavy government subsidies will make it a practical alternative to traditional market-driven electric vehicles and standard hybrids. The program being driven by VP Biden is aimed directly at the issue of bringing down the cost of batteries, but the study claims that, “the potential for dramatic reductions appears limited” due to the lithium-ion batteries which “are already being produced in great numbers and are well along their learning curves.”

    The report argues that plug-in hybrids will continue to be too expensive for the average or low-income Americans to be able to purchase them. The federal government currently plans on offering a $7,500 tax credit for Chevy Volt purchasers – but even then the price is still over $30,000. Similar alternatives such as the Tesla pure EV come in just under $50,000 after tax credits, and the Fisker subsidized plug-in will register in at approximately $40,000 after tax breaks.

    The same research arm, the National Research Council, concluded that focusing on improving the fuel efficiency of traditional gasoline-powered vehicles and gas-electric hybrids could reduce fuel consumption by as much as 40 percent over the next four decades, and at a considerably lower cost to taxpayers and consumers alike.

    In October, VP Biden delivered the announcement of a $500 million loan to Fisker in order to retool an idle Delaware auto plant. VP Biden also took part in the unveiling of the $2 billion federal battery research grant program in Michigan. The federal grant was intended to help make the Obama administration’s goal of having 1 million plug-in and pure EV sales by 2015 in the U.S. possible – with the federal government setting aside a total of $25 billion for the development of electric vehicles.

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      carstuff220 days ago

      Wonder if they also looked at wind and solar energy?

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      vvmasterdrfan220 days ago

      why cant we have desiel hybrids?

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      Ashes to Ashes_Dust to Dust220 days ago

      A direction that still needs to be explored and furthered as one of the avenues to wean the US off oil. However, early adopters have always paid the price to advance technology and government intervention in the form of a tax credit disrupts this pattern. Not a good thing. Tax credits only mean someone else or your own taxes are increased to makeup for said subsidy. (Unless, of course, you are uber wealthy whereby you get away with murder on taxes to begin with.)

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      Borat220 days ago

      why one would need diesel hybrids/ what is wrong with diesel? it is economical, it has huge torque compare to similar displacement gasoline engine, so what hybrid (electric motor with extra batteries) will provide?

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      idrinorbarsaku220 days ago

      All I’m going to say is that you have to start at one point. There will always be someone who hates new technology. It will be expensive, but I think this is something that could greatly help things in the long run.

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      Architect220 days ago

      I don’t disagree with the article in general, but I more emphatically concur with idrinorbarsaku…you have to start somewhere.

      …AND WHO WOULDN’T WANT TO DRIVE SOMETHING AS SENSUOUS AS THE FISKER FOR AROUND FORTY-GRAND?!

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      Blakkarr220 days ago

      Okay so we are going to start listening to what CANADA has to say concerning our nation’s policies and, for once, agreeable long term goals?

      Oh you didn’t know? The NRC is CANADIAN. It’s bad enough we have such as fractious government they can’t even agree on the time of day, but we are actually going to take the word of another country whose motives an goals may or may not agree with our own.

      Yeah… No. I don’t think so.

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      Zesty Honda220 days ago

      @ Blakkarr; United States NRC is not Canadian, http://sites.nationalacademies.org/NRC/index.htm , It’s connected to the National Academy of Sciences; I live in Washington DC and I’ve walked by the building before. Reading is fundamental. You agree?

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      LeftLaneVy220 days ago
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      orangecones220 days ago

      somehow i am not surprised by these results, specifically:

      >>Government-funded study.
      >>Government-funded
      >>Government.

      The same government that’s fighting an oil war because of certain interests.

      Think about it.

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      idrinorbarsaku219 days ago

      I’m sure there is a simple solution to debunk this report; GO OUT AND BUY THESE VEHICLES! If I had the money, I would!

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      RaineMan219 days ago

      At least someone up there in Washington has some sense. Hybrids and plug-in cars are not practical given current technology and fuel prices.

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      Cardemon04219 days ago

      I agree with this report on the simple fact that lithium ion batteries will not get cheaper. However, research can still be beneficial. In recent years research has uncovered certain characteristics of lithium ion batteries that will increase both battery life(time before it needs replacing) and in the future may increase the capacity of the batteries. Being able to decrease the number of batteries used and how often they need replacing will lower the cost of the technology.
      I have mixed feelings about the govt subsidies of hybrid/electric vehicles. On the one hand I don’t feel tax money should be going toward buying an individual a car. On the other hand it will decrease our dependency on foreign oil and ultimately(hopefully) save us all money.

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      03T4R219 days ago

      So the government wants more people to buy plug in hybrids, yet they also want to cap and tax carbon emissions produced by the coal plants that provide the majority of our energy. Therefore, more plug in hybrids = greater demand on the grid, which results in more coal needed to produce more energy with more emissions. This then means more taxes/penalties paid to the government and higher electrical bills for most Americans. Funny how that works…government efficiency at its best. How about pushing clean diesels? Emissions are just as low, if not lower, than most hybrids, the technology is much cheaper and simpler to produce, and the msrp wouldn’t be much more than the average car.

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      03T4R219 days ago

      We may not need to rely on foreign oil for much longer:

      http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/03/canadian-oil-sands/kunzig-text/4

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      RaineMan219 days ago

      The problem with “clean diesels” is the urea injection. I’m not going to the dealer every 3000-5000 miles so they can charge me $100+ to pour a bottle of refined piss into a little tank.

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      03T4R219 days ago

      RaineMan, actually the latest diesel technology doesn’t require urea injections. They use a specially made filter that only needs to be changed a few times over the life of the car. It’s currently used by the German auto makers.

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      Borat219 days ago

      Transistor, Otto and Diesel engines as well as electric motors were not invented by Government. Any government. Why do we expect government to invent something useful? Fathers of this country envisioned the role of government to protect citizens from external and internal harm and to foster the commerce. I hope government can do the job it was designed to do, extras are expensive and usually bear no fruit (federal welfare program was abolished by President Clinton and it was his highest achievement).

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      leftwingagenda219 days ago

      government funding has for decades invented useful things…i’m sure at some point in your life NIH funded technologies and drugs will extend your lifespan, for example…it’s very easy to ****bomb the government for everything under the sun, and to pretend it’s never funded anything useful, but frankly that attitude is full of crap too…blanket statements are inherently flawed…

      as far as diesel goes, it’s not an optimal long-term solution because 1) it’s non-renewable and 2) it pollutes…

      as a society, from my naive perspective, it’s more efficient to push the source of our pollution towards the power plants themselves and away from individual cars…once you centralize the pollution, it will be easier to make large advances in cleaning it up…what’s easier, cleaning up a thousand power plants, or cleaning up 100 million cars? i’d argue the power plants…but i’m practical that way…

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      03T4R219 days ago

      I think it’s time to start building nuclear plants. Cap and tax will not help the environment, it’ll just put more cash in the pockets of big government and raise utility costs for us.

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      carstuff219 days ago

      “Emissions are just as low, if not lower, than most hybrids, the technology is much cheaper and simpler to produce, and the msrp wouldn’t be much more than the average car.”

      ?????????????????? Surely you jest?

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      03T4R219 days ago

      Certainly, see VW TDI. It’s dependent on driving behavior as well, but it’s possible for hybrid emissions to be on par with clean diesel. As per fueleconomy.gov, the Prius emits 4 tons of CO2 and the TDI only 6.2. Not a huge difference, but calling them lower is a stretch I will admit, got carried away there. The TDI only uses 4 more barrels per year as well, once again not a big difference. Compared to the average gas engine, these figures are much better and prices are comparable, even without the government subsidy.

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      03T4R219 days ago

      I should have said average hybrid, not average car by the way.

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      03T4R219 days ago

      The TDI is also more efficient than an Escape Hybrid, although it weighs about 500 pounds less.

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