The Best way to put this is, Given all that is required of a Passenger car, that is a car that is designed and intended to carry more than two people, as opposed to all that a sports car can afford omit for the sake of performance, would I honestly put a MUSTANG, CAMARO, CHALLENGER, RX-8, or HYUNDAI GC against a 370Z, or any other 2-seater? No.

As romantic as it is to say “doing laps” or “taming the mountain road”, I seriously doubt you would ever imagine that you would or could do so with a GC. Even though we got to see a GC Scramble up Pike’s Peak, that was so modified it was a GC in name only, a real GC would die trying to go up a mountain pass like that. If mean something like “Deadman’s Pass” in California, having the right car is not the issue, it is knowing what to do with it the car you have and having the gall to do it.

You can try to say, a Muscle Car is too Heavy, can’t handle, and whatever else you want to stick to it, but from all else I have seen, It is always the driver, not the car. Although these new Muscle Cars are not the classics from the 1960s and 70s or even the 1980s or 90s, these can handle and are the match of any other Passenger car their price and up to easily over $100K.

If you are afraid to take up the big car, then don’t blame the big car. Blame yourself and your lack of skill and/or courage.

The real problem with your argument is that a modded car is going to be better than a lot stock car. You have also been arguing the point that a TOP OF THE LINE V6 GC, W/ TRACK PACK, would ace a CAMARO or a MUSTANG… and it does even come close. Only now that the facts are laid bare are you backing off. I know you want to believe in the car but don’t do so at the expense of others just because you may not like them.

GReddy does not build cars or even tune them for sale. They make mod packages for people to bolt to their cars. And since the Mod networks are and have been running hard for the current CAMARO, MUSTANG, and CHALLENGER since they first came out GReddy making a line of parts for the GC available was inevitable but also not overly impressive. After all, the aftermarket parts industry supporting AMERICAN muscle cars is much more extensive than you could imagine. You can buy packages from HENNESSEY, SMS, SHELBY, ROUSH, and EVEN FORD, GM and MOPAR directly. So nothing new here.

Some poor guy is going to build the Greddy SEMA car for himself, make a name racing against lot stock cars thinking himself special, and get dusted by a guy with an equally or slightly less modded MUSTANG, CAMARO, or CHALLENGER, proving that it isn’t what you strap to the car but what you start with.

I have never said that the GC was a bad car, unless you try to pit it against the current crop of muscle cars or lighter sports cars like the 370Z, RX-8, and so on. Then it looks a little weak.

HYUNDAI is in for making big splashes but never making the best product, though the GENESIS Sedan and, I except, the EQUUS come painfully close. They had a killer app with the TIBURON (Which should have been the GC’s name) but never capitalized on it. A miniature Faux FERRARI GT that could have and should have been RWD was a winner if taken to that next level. As good a run and HYUNDAI has had, and I do appreciate that they are giving Compact performance the love NISSAN (the S-15 SILVIA, 240SX), TOYOTA (The FT-86, MR-2), FORD (FOCUS and FIESTA), and GM (ALPHA, KAPPA-prey for DMC here, and DELTA 2 Platforms) have so far not, HYUNDAI has always been a step or a few off the pace and the GC is no different.

I don’t like seeing any car fail, but the GC looks like it is going to be in the weird place that the TIBURON was in, being the best combination of ideas but never fully realized and it will be relegated to being a niche car in the shadow of the Muscle Cars and Sport Compacts. It won’t fail but it won’t succeed either. It’ll just survive.

I never said that a base or V6 GC is a better car than a RS or GT, but this would be, if GReddy does it right, which they will. When it comes down to it, I’d take a RS over a stock GC any day, but I was talking about THIS car. I do agree that this car looks pretty stupid, but look at it as if it didn’t have the goofy decals and body kit. The base car looks really good, but thats a matter of opinion.

Even so, for how much time it took for GM to develop the Camaro it should be supercar fast with its current pricetag. And for Hyundai’s first attempt at a true RWD sports car, the V6 GC is amazing, and the rumored V8 GC will be even better. No doubt it has its problems, but Hyundai’s development is advancing much faster that GM, Ford, and Dodge’s.

Remember what Hyundai was 10 years ago? Now think where they will be 10 years from now, even 5 years from now. You aren’t looking at the whole picture.

And when you are talking about a track car, you can compare 2+2′s to 2 seaters unless you’re going to stick the kids in the back while you’re doing laps or taming mountain roads.

What I was pointing out when I said “crappy transmission” is that more than one tester from more than one magazine has complained about the Genesis manual trans not being very refined, being too jerky and difficult to shift smoothly. Maybe BMW and Aston just know how to setup a drivetrain better? I’ve talked to a couple people who test drove a manual equipped Genesis, both agreed the trans could have been much better.

ALL road tests are biased by the opinion of the tester, C&D is not really all that different than MT.

>> Wow. ZF mission (which installed in BMW 5 series, Aston martin) was crappy. LOL?

On the contary, C&D articles are all about the opinion of the tester.

Both the Camaro and the Genesis (With track pack) have pretty darned close stats, so close I really don’t think it matters. A tenth of a second difference 0-60? Who gives a crap? With a manual trans it’s all on the drivers skill anyhow. What’s shocking to me is that the Camaro weighs a couple hundred more pounds and the Genesis can’t blow the doors off of it with ease… Apparently Chevy did something right to make that Camaro move.

Anyways, the Genesis is a decent first try from Hyundai, but to quote Car and Driver I think it needs at least one more generation to refine it. I’d take my money and spend it on a V8 Mustang, but that’s me.

“The 2010 Chevy Camaro is a beautiful tribute to our automotive past. If there is a future for rear-drive sport coupes, it’s in a car like the Hyundai Genesis.”

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0907_2010_chevrolet_camaro_v6_vs_2010_hyundai_genesis_coupe_3_8_track/results.html

Whatever… Genesis Coupe is a one of the most affordable 300+ hp car in the world.

Go and check Camaro/Mustang/G37/370z… it have ‘nothing’ in base model.

you’re comparing the price of the top of the line Genesis vs the base 370Z. the genesis is far more equipped for $30k. you’ll get leather interior, brembo brakes, 19″ wheels, LSD, sports suspension, etc. the base 370Z has none of that. Genesis still offers a better value.

You are obviously GC hater.
Unlike pony car Camaro, GC is a sports car. it is a nimble, and better handling than heavy camaro. Even Camaro V6 is slower than GC V6 ins straight line. Camaro interior is also bottom at its class.

Only camaro V8 wins against to GC V6 in straight line. But, camaro V8 price is…?

You took it out of context. QR25SpecV better hope DODGE doesn’t fix the CHALLENGER, but you know they will. The Challenger is an innately superior machine to the GC in every way but lacks the polish to prove it. Look at Tuner and Racing CHALLENGERS and you get the picture. For That, I DO hope DODGE gets to fix their contender’s issues.

As to what he is trying to say… Just that he’s got nothing. He doesn’t want to admit that the GC is not a miracle car at a bargain price. That he wishes somehow the S Koreans found the secret to cheap high level performance, but he forgets that the S Koreans make a nice package but the stuff inside is usually at least a grade short to make the price point. That DETROIT knows how to build ‘em and now that they are he sees a day when ricers will get laughed out of every parking lot tuner meet and track day from sea to shining sea. That you get what you pay for, and like most import fans, can’t admit that the MUSTANG, CAMARO, and soon the CHALLENGER are just better, on balance, than their rice steamers. You just have pay for it like everything else.

QR25SpecV,

Don’t try to change the subject. Why anyone would compare a two seat sports cars, regardless of how much if doesn’t cost, to a 2+2 Grand Touring coupe is beyond me. Apples and Oranges. All you’ve shown is that you can not defend the GC because there is nothing you can say to defend it. The GC is a poor player. It also doesn’t even qualify as an “also ran” when a CAMARO RS beats it in everything BUT the straight line and even then its close.

The fact is that more people buy, by percentage, any one of the current muscle cars than the Genesis Coupe. It’s a garnish, tacky, lump of rice that anyone with an ounce of maturity would pass by like rancid roadkill. But gee-whiz if you want a car that screams “I have the taste of an anime addled terminal teenager” or that you are one of those falsely trendy girls, then go for.

After all, if you want to look like you have some taste and a sense of maturity you generally buy a car that reflects that. The Genesis Coupe just isn’t it

As for those prices, Face if people will pay them, they will. Considering that something like the IS-F costs $20K more than a regular IS, or the BMW M3, M5, and M6 literally cost almost twice as much as their next most expensive models in those lines. Paying $40K for a CHALLENGER SRT-8, $50K for a GT500, or $103K for a ZR-1 still comes as a bargain. But the VIPER ACR cost only $1000 more than the regular VIPER…

Shot! Come 2011 get a MUSTANG GT, which will have a 400hp 5.0L V8 (a 315hp 3.7L V6 for the LX) and Six Speed, and add the $1500 Track Pack (As Opposed to HYUNDAI’s $4500 TPack for the GC), and you get a car that is roughly equal to the BMW M3 in handling and speed. I can wait a year. Gee just shy of $30K for a MUSTANG that can hang with the Germans, or $27K a HYUNDAI with crappy styling and chintzy materials that can’t even really hold out against a CAMARO RS.

Megalomaniac?

Let’s put it this way: If you really like a car, you’ll pay whatever they ask for it. If you don’t like a car, it’s a POS at any price.

Blakkarr what do you mean just hope they don’t fix the challenger?
I my self would take the challenger r/t over any of them.

I know you want to smack talk but you need to really research these cars. The GC is a sucker’s bet in every way. Also as I said, you can not mod a car into being great. The Car in the article is NOT a production vehicle. Otherwise, I would put my money on ROUSH , SMS, SHELBY MOTORSPORTS (not to be confused with SSC), and a fair many more.

Not good except in a straight line? The Proof is out there already and the GC is barely an “also ran” . Not enough power, shtty transmission, only passable suspension. The Top GC is barely a match for the BASE CAMARO… in anything but a straight line. Heck that big brick-like CAMARO RS gets better F/econ too. Plus it gets worse for the GC when FORD releases their new engines and suspension setups for the MUSTANG for 2011. Just hope DODGE doesn’t fix the CHALLENGER…

Save yourself the aggravation and buy a CAMARO or MUSTANG, or if you just have to buy an import go with an INFINITI G37, or LEXUS IS, or go German… if you can foot the bill. Also yes I would take the SS or GT (with track pack) for a track day. Would I race for anything but fun? Heck NO. Like any car these would need further upgrades. But if I were to, then my first choice would be a ROUSH MUSTANG.

In the end the HYUNDAI GC is a lot like the MITSUBISHI 3000GT. It reads like a winner on paper, but in application it really does not measure up.

DB9;-)

“Spice is used to hide the fact the food sucks.” -Some famous chef, not Gordon Ramsey (the fat fart)

It’s a nice steamin’ pile of spiced rice and again marks that difference between the “boy racer” and the “man racer”. Hyundai has a good start with this car and GReddy is building on it quite well. But when you are working with a car that, in top form, still manages to make Third place, Held by the The DODGE Challenger (RT or SRT-8), look like like an unreachable goal, it is just spice on a crappy dish.

You can’t mod your way into claiming a car is great. If it didn’t come from the factory that way, then it doesn’t count.

Besides how much would outfitting a GC like that cost? If you have that much money you better be racing for money or you’d be happier buying a CAMARO SS or MUSTANG GT350 or GT500 easily.

The heavy-as-hell Accord Coupe V6 w/ the 6 speed manual can run 0-60 in 5.6-5.7 seconds with 271HP and 253 lb-ft of torque…