06/02/2008, 5:38 PM

Industry/General

Green Crude: Fuel of the future?

Move over biodiesel and watch out ethanol, there’s a new biofuel on the block. California-based Sapphire Energy has announced that it has created a process that nets ASTM certified 91-octane gasoline from little more than algae, sunlight and waste water.

While several other companies produce bio-fuel in a similar fashion, Sapphire’s process is a unique technique that produces a uniform product that can be used in gasoline engines without any modifications. Sapphire stresses that their fuel is not ethanol or biodiesel.

According to EcoGeek.org, the company launched a year ago and set off to answer one nagging question: “Why is the biofuel industry spending so much time and energy to manufacture ethanol — a fundamentally inferior fuel?”

Unlike the production of ethanol, Sapphire’s production process doesn’t use land for fuel crop instead of food crop and virtually eliminates any emissions in the creation process. The end product is a green liquid that is virtually identical to gasoline.

And just to silence any naysayers, Brian Goodall — an employee of Sapphire Energy — just completed a cross-Atlantic flight in a plane powered by the company’s biofuel.

Analysts have been wary about the commercial future of ‘Green Crude’, but a couple of landmark deals could be changing that outlook. Sapphire just landed a $50 million backing from three venture capitalists and GreenFuel Technologies — a similar company — will be setting up a multi-million dollar facility in Europe.

With companies like General Motors investing millions in ethanol companies, we wonder how long it will take before automakers jump on the algae-derived gasoline bandwagon.

 
 

06/02, 5:41 PM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

Wow, I would love to test out that fuel, I know they are testing making biodiesel out of algae.

06/02, 5:45 PM

posted by:

Fleming in Tennessee

I hope this puts big oil on the run. Hope they aren’t able to buy it out and destroy the process. They charge us $130+ per barrel for domestic oil that the folks own just because they can and the folks we hire to serve us in Washington do absolutely nothing but line their own pockets…..don’t get me started. The needs of the many out weight the needs of the few, except in politics.

06/02, 6:14 PM

posted by:

injunraiv

And this story makes me wonder if we couldn’t use the sludge in septic treatment facilities to make fuel…

06/02, 6:31 PM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

inline6, algae is easy to grow, they have farms in the USA to grow it for fuel, no need to farm the ocean for it.

06/02, 6:53 PM

posted by:

Blakkarr

It is a problem to KEEP algae from growing where it is not wanted. Algae blooms off coastlines kill fish and coral and just look and smell nasty.

Algae has been seen as a component solution to the climate problem, as Algae grows fast, Kelp is a form of Algae and that grows fast enough to actually watch it grow. Algae absorbs Carbon dioxide pulling from the air. It can then be turned into fuel, or even food, go figure, and solve several problems at once.

The Carbon pulled from the air is used to make more Algae which is used to make for fuel, but the amount of Carbon released is slightly less than what went in. Less new carbon means eventually the atmosphere can achieve balance as we are not adding by using Fossil fuels. More efficient vehicles burn less fuel and so even lesser carbon emissions.

Algae can also be used as fertilizer to grow crops or processed directly into food products. Algae may become the new Tofu (Yuck maybe).

There are several companies out there looking at this process and more than a couple look to be major players such that the oil companies will not be able to touch them. After all it would be hard for Exxon and Shell to say they went out of business when everyone and there grandmothers went out of their way to buy the new, less expensive stuff. If anything they will have to get into the Algae energy business or risk going under.

This will make a better immediate impact than Ethanol has which still has production issues, like using food to make fuel. It is also something that could be around for a very long time, decades or centuries.

Anything that helps even a little, I’m all for. Algae? That may end up helping a LOT.

06/02, 6:53 PM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

What climate problem? The Chicken Little, the Sky is falling (or the Earth is warming as the case may be) scare tatic to control people?

06/02, 6:59 PM

posted by:

Richard

This sounds like a scam.

Consider this: Gasoline is a transparent colorless liquid. If you produce a product that is virtually identical to gasoline, then it will be a clear colorless liquid. It will not be green.

Presumably, we are supposed to believe that the green comes from the chlorophyll. However, chlorophyll is a huge molecule that may have unexpected side affects in our finely calibrated modern gasoline engines. It would be something that you would filter out of a legitimate product.

It is doubly troubling that Sapphire Energy has no website that I can find–at least none that Google can hit. Most of the references to this company or to its claims are available on non-scientific/non-engineering websites and newspapers.

06/02, 7:15 PM

posted by:

Need4SSpeed

I don’t care what the hell it’s made out of, just as long as it’s green, and ****ing cheaper than fasoline, and I’ll buy it.

06/02, 7:25 PM

posted by:

Astonman12

wow this stuff sounds too good to be true

06/02, 7:28 PM

posted by:

F451

Um, um, good…Gatorade for vehicles!

06/02, 7:42 PM

posted by:

Spingood Tanoya

Post #7: you couldn’t find http://www.sapphireenergy.com on Google? It’s the first result. Here’s a hint: search for Sapphire Energy.

06/02, 8:01 PM

posted by:

CanGo87

Hahahaha that looks like a website if I have ever seen one

06/02, 8:02 PM

posted by:

lucklaster

If a guy would fly a plane with it - some kia owners could run it in their tanks for trips to the mall.

06/02, 8:25 PM

posted by:

gogogodzilla

BRAWNDO!

It has electrolytes!

It’s what cars NEED!

(courtesy of ‘Idiocracy’)

06/02, 8:26 PM

posted by:

VRAmU

GREAT WHERES THE NEAREST GAS STATION FOR THIS FUEL???

06/02, 8:53 PM

posted by:

murphy1

love the website…..GO ALGAE!!!! i pray this goes through without mysteriously vanishing…

06/02, 8:55 PM

posted by:

t-ak-box

@VRA

You raise a great point. Infrastructure is the Key. Like Bush said we’re “Addicted to Oil”, due to the fact we have dealer on almost every other corner. Easy Access.

06/02, 9:02 PM

posted by:

acura_el2000

Help me find the stock listing guys!

06/02, 9:09 PM

posted by:

928dreamer

Distribution infrastructure would not need to be different. This is identical to gasoline remember. Just put it in the underground tank that used to hold the E85.

The big problem is going to be mass producing this stuff in a cost effective manner. Massive scale production always has problems initially. My guess is it will be several years before a process is developed to make this competative with oil. Even at todays prices.

I read a article about this process a few years ago and the problem was producing a large amount of fuel. Small amounts were ok. Hopefully they will figure it out.

06/02, 9:11 PM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

gogogodzilla, that was awesome, I love that movie.

06/03, 12:57 AM

posted by:

tiemco

OK, let me inform a few of you posters. First of all to Fleming. Big oil has very little to do with the price of oil. The price of oil is controlled by world supply and demand which is priced mainly in the commodity futures pits of the world. In fact Exxon Mobil has to buy oil at market prices because they are unable to supply enough for their own refinery operations. I don’t remember anyone crying foul on big oil when it was 40 bucks a barrel a few years ago. China and India’s huge demand is largely responsible for the price rise as well as the falling dollar. In fact most commodities have risen a great deal recently, gold, platinum, copper, steel, wheat, etc., but you never heard people griping about big gold sticking it to people.

To Richard, just because this new fuel isn’t the same color as gasoline means nothing (and most gas is not clear and colorless). Soybean oil and diesel don’t look the same but they both function in a diesel engine. A ruby is red, and a sapphire is blue, yet they have the same chemical formula. The minute trace elements cause the difference in color. The color might be from chlorophyll, or it could be from something entirely different. In any case cholorphyll is a hydrocarbon with one magnesium atom bound to it, something I am sure that the engineers and chemists can handle.

Acura, doesn’t look like they are public yet. The private equity guys have first crack at it. Those are the guys who will invest first, and clean up if the technology is for real and the stock goes public.

06/03, 4:52 AM

posted by:

The Stig

Ironic the color of this stuff is green.

06/03, 9:48 AM

posted by:

Buhbye

You mean, like soylent green?

06/03, 9:49 AM

posted by:

Mclaren19p

I hope it works

06/03, 9:59 AM

posted by:

xyunya

I checked the website, like the rest of you guys. I did not see anything stating that solution is at hand. There is potential for a solution. Neither principals nor website states that molecular structure of benzine (gasoline) is identical to the compound they produced. I haven’t found anything on the website stating that small (or large) plane was flown with this stuff. I am not aware of any small plane engine capable of using 91 octane (it’s not aviation fuel rating) and jet fuel is similar to kerosene and diesel in its composition, but that not what they supposedly producing. Lastly, I would expect to learn about such marvels from NY Times, US News and World, Economist, Scientific American. I am all for renewable energy and board of this company looks very competent, but I missed announcement of the completed solution (except LLN reference to ecogeek.org).

06/03, 10:05 AM

posted by:

Jon Luc

I’m all for this. If this is coming out to market (stock market), I’m buying in big time.

06/03, 10:08 AM

posted by:

HemiRoadRunner

xyunya you have waaaaaaaaaay to much time on your hands. If you don’t have a job at least go outside and get some sun you pasty little nerd.

06/03, 10:31 AM

posted by:

Richard

Spingood Tanoya wrote (No. 11) … you couldn’t find http://www.sapphireenergy.com on Google? It’s the first result. …

I don’t want to get into a p!ss!ng contest here, but it appears that this site went up yesterday after my post. Certainly the Sapphire Fact Sheet.pdf did not exist prior to May 24. Most everything else on the site goes back only to May 30.

That’s beside the point. This company appears to be designed to make a big splash in the popular media and to disappear without a trace. The picture of the beaker with green-tinted “crude oil” is even sillier than the green “gasoline.”

I wish that the Sapphire Energy’s process were real. Based on the information available so far, I believe that it is a hoax.

06/03, 10:40 AM

posted by:

omgvua

Richard is right. If it looks fishy, smells fishy, and sounds too good to be true its probably a scam. Dream about it but keep your wallets closed for now.

06/03, 11:00 AM

posted by:

xyunya

HemiRetard, thank you for your concerns. I am actually somewhat in the sun, in shade of a canopy on my Island Packet (boat not island). Still quite pleasant. How’s unemployment line? Got a check? Visit dentist, implant some teeth.

06/03, 11:09 AM

posted by:

HemiRoadRunner

Ha! No, I’m at work, where I have the freedom to get on here and make fun of nerds like you that pretend to be something your not. What your really doing is sitting inside your house ALL day hiding from your wife because she’s either @$$ ugly or she wears the pants in your house. You will NEVER see posts from me once I leave the office or on the weekends or my vacations like I took 2 weeks ago to go to Grand Cayman. Have fun dreaming there nerd.

06/03, 11:24 AM

posted by:

xyunya

I was not aware that Grand Cayman needed traveling circus entertainment. Normal people go to Caymans in the winter, now is welfare season.

06/03, 11:25 AM

posted by:

1c3d0g

Oh man…this is wonderful news! :cool:

06/03, 2:06 PM

posted by:

tiemco

Hey xyunya, gasoline is not benzine (actually spelled benzene). Gasoline is a mixture of many hydrocarbons, both cyclical and straight alkanes. Benzene usually makes up a small part of gasoline (about 5 percent I believe) and is usually regulated as benzene is thought to be highly carcinogenic.

06/03, 2:22 PM

posted by:

golf4me

Yeah, somehow I don’t see this as being any kind of solution because they will not be able to produce it in any kind of volume. They’d have to have huge expanses of land, then fill up holes with slimy water then build a refinery at or near the site…we can’t even build an oil refinery or a nuke station without the EPA and the NIMBY’s screaming foul to all of our detriment. The website should be called notgonnahappen.com!

06/03, 3:45 PM

posted by:

bigp

when can i fill up with it

06/03, 5:52 PM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

There is no wonder solution to our fuel issues at hand right now, this would just help supplement the market and hopefully make the cost of fuel go down.

06/03, 7:46 PM

posted by:

DialM4Speed

If it works sooooo great then where the hell is it?? What are they waiting for?

06/03, 9:08 PM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

DialM4Speed, it cost money to set up a distribution network and such.

06/03, 9:21 PM

posted by:

britishbull

Okay great, but what about emissions? I’m not finding any info on that. So what if you can make this fuel from algae. What about carbon emissions? If it’s the same as gasoline we’re not really going green. We’re just not using oil anymore.

06/03, 9:24 PM

posted by:

NoNameDenton1

Who cares about carbon emissions, unless you believe in the lie that is global warming, it does not matter.

06/04, 4:17 PM

posted by:

Supermann1

#6 = another fox news watching texan who doesn’t believe in global warming. now i see why they say our education system needs help so we can stay on top of the world.

06/04, 5:30 PM

posted by:

JonesZ

#41= Another Goracle cork soaking leftist bigot who generalizes an entire state and draws rediculous conclusions about an obscure post. Fox news destroys all other news networks combine. Why is that? I wonder what its like to be a white male and be a minority and have a minority opinion, but Im sure you could probably elaborate a little. Joe Arpaio for president of the world.

06/04, 10:38 PM

posted by:

DialM4Speed

Fox news? The only good thing they have is Rudi Bakhtiar and even she isn’t enough to get me to watch that crap.

06/06, 12:53 PM

posted by:

JonesZ

#43, RudiBakhtiar is on CNN. Dumbass. Do you own a TV? Even watch the news?

 
 
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