Needed an answer to Toyota Venza
And……….
This ain’t it
DrFill

I saw this at the dealer. I was SHOCKED when I noticed how good it actually looked in real life! I would definitely get this over a venza.

Well people with poor taste need cars too
They’re usually frequent your local Ford dealer
Honda is very crafty on where to look for market share
DrFill

Seems like DrFill has his head stuck up toyota’s ass!

And you’re still using your Mom’s ass as a turbin
DrFill

I respect Honda as a company but this particular offering is a very poorly conceived product. It just doesn’t know what it wants to be and smacks of desperation to find some sort of new niche. It really doesn’t help that it is breathtakingly ugly. Theres actually something vaguely AMC about it.

Dr Fill it really wouldn’t surprise me if you were 1115 in another fake form…****ing sad troll

I think it’s called “Breakthrough ugly”
A new color at Honda
Passed down from Acura
DrFill

soo… its ugly
but!.. not as ugly as the venza

based solely on that, its a win for a Honda vs. Toyota match up, and again there is a ‘but’, but its a fail as an automobile

i have a honda 225 4-stroke on my boat, and a Foreman atv… those are about the only thing from Honda (except for a dirt bike) i would buy

No. Wow, a mom joke, I actually thought you were more mature than that.

Notice how he didn’t deny anything…

On a side note, I was using your moms ass as a turbin on my dick:)

This “whatever” does not have the utility of a Venza, which itself is no paragon of usefulness. It’s too heavy, ~3900lbs fwd & ~ 4100lbs AWD, and it can’t tow or haul much. The car to beat in this segment is the Subaru Outback; the Venza and the Crosstour don’t even come close.

Given the weight of this vehicle I’m not sure a 4 cylinder would be recommended.

DB9;-)

PS. Honda says that the TSX wagon was planned all along, as if they’re not worried. The Facebook disaster, which was widely reported, will go down in the annals of corporate social networking what not to do. I wish them luck; they’re going to need it… then again never underestimate…

Idinor
You can’t find my Mom
Until you’re done eating yours

Andy
Honda is having a lot of trouble with Toyota lately
NSX failed vs LF-A
Accord vs Camry
Venza owns Crosstool
Prius dominates Insight
And Lexus vs Acura has been no contest
Honda has it’s days
Honda has talent
But Toyota always comes through in the end
And we all know this
Common knowledge
Except at this particular site
DrFill

FAIL

Wtf is wrong with Japanese cars these days? What happened to simple but elegant designs and shapes that went together? I’m telling ya American cars are back on track to being what they used to be, and same with the Japanese cars…

Honda’s answer to the Aztek?

It’s so ungainly. The hood and front end are out of proportion to the rest of the car. They look like they were welded on from a different vehicle. And I hate the huge hatch. Reminds me of the old two-door Plymouth Horizon, circa 1980, or a Rambler / AMC Marlin from the late ’60s. This thing is neither a proper station wagon nor a good utility hatch. It’s not anything. it’s a rolling headache. I really expected something different. Yuck.

i saw this in person yesterday and it does look much better in person but the back is still horrible

i think the venza is better over tho

I am not joking….again….this is beyond FUGLY

This is easily the most awkward looking vehicle HONDA as produced in my memory. Even the Ridgeline seemed to come together better than this. If the DODGE MAGNUM looked like a car on truck hormones, this is like and Accord on SUV hormones.

The machine could have done with totally new styling rather than trying to fit ACCORD styling on something that is, at least visually, NOT an ACCORD. The ACURA ZDX looks vastly better than this.

HONDA get your head back in the game. Your Shtick is high quality Midsized, Small, and compact performance cars. The ACCORD was a stretch and it works, but you need to stick to that unless you are going to go “all in” and make something worth discussing in a positive light. This is just another hasty retreat waiting to happen.

Other notable hasty retreats:
PRELUDE: Ultra popular with the youth set and tuners. Fans were hoping to get a new version with S2000 drive parts to make a real contender/replacement for the Nissan S13/240SX. This would have been the “HYUNDAI TIBURON become GENESIS COUPE” in its day. Dropped because the Accord COUPE was just trouncing it in sales. So, instead of delivering on what people wanted, HONDA dumped the PRELUDE.

DEL SOL: AKA S.O.L. (S**t Outta Luck). HONDA’s ham-fisted answer to MAZDA’s mighty mite, the MX-5 MIATA. Billed as the replacement for the still lusted after CIVIC CRX, it fell into the same trap the MERCURY CAPRI Convertible fell into: It was KRAP!!! Well built krap but still krap. It was FWD and not even a true convertible, at least the CAPRI was that and faster than the MIATA, but the MIATA took itself seriously enough to be great. The only cars that came close to really challenging the MX-5 were the KAPPA cars… then Q3 2008 happened.

ACURA INTEGRA/RSX: This is what happens when you don’t match performance to price. The CIVIC Si, in this current iteration, had become the match or better of The RSX for much less. Instead of maybe bumping up the power and performance, or making it an altogether better car, adding AWD might have been a good move, the RSX, like its original name, INTEGRA, was dropped. A New RSX would have been great as a RWD revival of the PRELUDE.

The ACCORD WAGON: One of the more popular versions of the ACCORD and a viable alternative to the VOLVO Wagons, if the TAURUS/SABLE Wagons weren’t doing it for you. It did not have to go away, people would have still bought it, just not in blockbuster numbers. The same thing that killed this car killed the MAGNUM, the SUV. Also like the MAGNUM, it was great machine but put up as a direct competitor to the SUV, which few people were willing to take seriously. So just expect sales to be in the 20K-40K unit a year range and build accordingly. But no… they just killed it. Never mind that its day may be coming again. Some may see the Crosstour as that second coming… the ACCORD WAGON actually looked good.

THE S2000… They stopped building it and said “we’re going to focus on fuel economy”. This was HONDA’s best sports cars aside from the chronically underpowered, but very well handling, and frankly overpriced, NSX. It was almost affordable… if you are willing to foot $40K for the car you will at least look at buying a CORVETTE. A straight up sports car, in the same vein as the MX-5 just a bit bigger and stronger to take on more potent sports cars, the S2000 (Named for the racing class, Super 2000 for 2.0 liter engine limit) was HONDA’s true performance face to the world. Honda discontinued the car without siting a clear replacement and is dithering badly about it even though they keep teasing at a new NSX in one form or another.

I don’t know what HONDA is doing over there but they are not doing much right. They are still making very reliable cars, but they are getting to be more and more boring or just wrong with every new vehicle.

Doc, I see you’ve been a busy boy today. It’s nice when you have a day off to play with your friends isn’t it? But you know me Doc, I don’t care what anybody else says… when you’re right you’re right.

Why exactly is Honda trying to play Toyota’s game? Going after the Venza… are you f*cking kidding me? At what point did the Venza achieve the status of being worthy of going after? At what point did this whole subcategory of quasi SUV/wagons become worthy of devoting that much effort towards? Toyota wants it… I say let ‘em have it.

i think what they are doing is just ****ing with people… they have to be. just seeing how far they can push their reputation before people wake up, look out the window to their drive way and ask themselves what in the holy hell was i thinking.
i can just image the Toyota and Honda execs all sitting in a board room discussing what they will push out of their colon next… then 18 months later when people are actually buying the turd, they just sit their, yelling at a globe, screaming about how stupid people are (actually they are japanese, they arent yelling just staring intently)
clearly the Japanese want to fail, they have lost their minds, its the tipping point from genius to insanity… and it might be our fault, we dropped two nukes on em, took 50 years but the side effects are really starting to show, and here we are, the venza and crosstour.. the grille on the venza is pure hiroshima, while i see distinctive essence of nagasaki in the honda
this is Japan’s pay back.

I would rather have a Subaru Outback than this hideous thing.

Johnny
What friends?
I’m teaching Remedial Cardom 101!

Venza sales are as high as 8k a month
8000 a month
That honey will draw flies

The REAL question is
Why is Buick targeting the Regal at TSX’s 2k sales a month?

Let’s face it
Honda has lost it’s way in the last 10-12 years
Few companies are as talented
But they’ve become Chrysler when it comes to market savvy/focus
DrFill

Doc, I’m honestly surprised at the Venza’s sales, but I have said before that I don’t mind its looks. What did you call this Honda… the Crosstool? Good one.

I think you’re wrong about the new Regal however. Even you have expressed admiration for GM as of late… don’t think we haven’t noticed. While I’m not predicting the demographic breakthrough that the General may have be hoping for this one should easily eclipse the TSX. Then again that’s not exactly shooting for the stars.

Did you notice my 100 posts lauding GM’s lineup?
Really?
I must be slippin’

Regarding the Regal, and Kia Cadenza for that matter, instead of fighting into a small niche like the TSX
Why not attack mass-market icons
And position it as a premium 4-cylinder, with more features and power, for less than $25k
Like the Altima used to do

Marketing is the basic problem
Hyundai/Kia is totally clueless on how to position their vehicles in the market
They are throwing spaghetti at the wall
DrFill

Reminds me of the wagon Clark Griswold had in Family Vacation. If it isn’t made for offroading, why the offroad stance?

Like a low-budget X6… arse ugly.

Is this the cure for station wagon stigma’s? I’ll take a wagon please

two quick points on the venza…year to date sales figures released from toyota were 44k for the year, and 5k for the month of october…along those lines, the camry outsold the venza 6:1 in october…

http://www.reuters.com/article/press%20%20Release/idUS180373+03-Nov-2009+PRN20091103

It’s ugly and seems to lack much utility but will probably be well-built for the fringe that desire it.

RaineMan, hilarious. It does look like a modern-day version of the Griswald family truckster. Great stuff. And good point about the stance. My guess is because most Honda ‘truck’ owners are posers that want a rugged look (that is, rugged for Honda) with no intentions of doing anything rugged.

leftwingagenda, excellent information.

Some friendly, constructive criticism re: the video itself. Never use that soundtrack again. Unless of course you’re road testing the latest alien spacecraft. And be a little more ruthless when it comes to editing. I think it would have been [even] more interesting if it were 1 full minute less. [Several comments/opinions were unnecessarily repeated throughout the video] Good camera work – but not everyone is Billy Barty. [May he rest in peace] The three feet off the ground perspective is rarely flattering. [To cars OR people] I also think more ‘driver perspective’ shots – while the vehicle is moving [If possible] would a ‘good thing’ too. And why not let us see the car accelerate from zero to whatever?! With a little polishing – leftlanenews videos will become the ‘ones to watch’.

I do not get the 8000/month. 44,000 divided by 11 is more like 4000/month. HHR is outselling it by 50% with its 6 year old design. Its not even outselling the Fit or Yaris.

But in today’s market a badge engineered vehicle (its a Camry, right?) with almost 50k per year volume is nothing to sneeze at.

Will wait to see if the Honda does better.

HHR kis a cheaper smaller vehicle
Doesn’t compete here
You have the classes mixed up
DrFill

Well there are a lot of mindless idiots who buy nothing but Honda, they will buy this too because they are stupid.

Wasn’t this the car that got burned to the ground on Facebook?

Wow now that is one seriously ugly car

Fugly to the extreme – Venza should not worry.

As to the Regal comments – this *is* the same car as the best selling midsize car in Europe (Opel Insignia) and will be a huge seller in NA and China. In fact, recent articles state that the Buick is better than the Insignia. Just wait and count.

” Hello Dinosaur Museum? I located your missing Tyranasaurus Rex”

leftwing, did you look at those numbers closely? In the line “Total Toyota Div. Pass. Car” the number under 2009 is 85,169 and 84,904 for 2008 and yet they’re calling this a -3.3% decrease in sales compared to the previous October. Uh, how exactly does that work?

Hey Dr Fill, come join us and watch a Toyota Urban Cruiser (aka Scion) only get 3 stars in a euro safety test …. the same as the Chinese Brilliance!

…………………. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTss05ny-m0

Ohhhhh What A Feeling!
Oh wait, you cant feel when you are paralyzed due to poor Toyota safety engineering.

Johnny, they measure those percentages on the Daily Sales Rate. I think there were one more days to sell in Oct 2009 vs 2008, so if you do the math they sold 3.3% per day less than last year.

Thanks Smegley, I forgot that October only had 30 days last year for the first time in over 4 centuries since the Gregorian calender showed up.

Johnny Johnny Johnny Johnny Johnny.
Do I really have to spank you as badly as I do LWA?

The link below is to Toyota’s October sales.
The percentage change is in DSR, and the selling days for the calculation are at the bottom.
http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/document/October_2009_Sales_Chart.pdf

Apparently when Pope Gregory made his calendar he really screwed up because there were actually 28 days in Oct 2009 and only 27 in Oct 2008. This of course may just be due to the sheer laziness of the average Toyota salesturd.

to follow smeg’s post…

for october ‘09: 85,169 total sales/28 days = 3042 sales/day
for october ‘08: 84,904 total sales/27 days = 3145 sales/day

so then (3042-3145)/3145 gets you -0.0327504 or -3.3%

since i had xl open…if we assume toyota dealerships are open 12 hours a day with 3042 sales/day, that’s 254 sales an hour, or ~4 sales a minute…so every 15 seconds or so somebody in the US buys a toyota passenger car (trucks, suvs and lexus brands not included)…it looks like ~2/3rds of those cars were built in the US, too…

and keep dreaming, smeg, lol

Honda should offer the Crosstour in a 4 banger. But, Honda does have one thing going for it over the Venza. And that is Safety, which is a category that toyoda is falling hard and fast. Buying a Honda you will have no worries on quality or safety. Or a company that puts safety ovre making an extra few yen per car. Also, go drive a 5 year old camry and then drive a 5 year old accord. The accord will feel newer, and not have so many squeaks and rattles. Sure toyoda has some commercials out stating a different opinion. Because they have too. If you don’t believe me, go try it yourself. The toyoda will feel like a used rent a car and honda will feel like a newer car.

Also, Honda has never had a recall this large or this critical for the safety of its vehicles.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-recall-extended-to-replace-accelerator-pedals-in-3-8-million-vehicles.html

OK , this guy in the video is confused, at first he says the car is aimed at 50 year olds, but he doesn’t like it because he likes the Civic Si and he races cars and doesn’t even look like he’s 30. Duuude,you just said the car is not aimed at you, why you need to bring up the civics and your magic wand wishes.

This thing makes even less sense than the Venza, and the Venza is just one of a thousand SUVs/CUVs/MPVs in Toyota’s bloated lineup. I wouldn’t be shocked to see the low-volume TSX sell better than this thing. Why is Honda chasing a niche market when there are so many existing holes in their lineup?

Honda keeps our streets with pos vehicles….their designs started fading since the element…then the crapy accord…then tl…now this junk…

Honda has really lost its focus! Honda’s designs are terrible and the quality of their vehicles manufactured in North America is horrible.

Acuras have the beak but are generally decent cars.
Toyota makes mostly bland floaty old man cars that rust out or accelerate to excessive speeds and kill families.
Honda makes one decent looking car…the civic….the rest are horrid…This crosstour being by far the worst with the ridgeline a close second
Mazda makes the happiest looking cars I’ve ever seen but they are usually fun to drive.
This time next year Ford will have the newest, best looking lineup of high quality cars and trucks in the US.
GM wont be too far behind…they were slower to revamp their lineup of engines and designs but in the next few years they will show us some good stuff if they dont resort to old tactics.
Chrysler wont have a decent car for about 3 to 4 years…until then the Ram and Challenger will have to keep them afloat.
If VW ever decides to build a car that has an ounce of quality they will be the ones to beat…they make nice looking cars that perform well and have the best interiors, they just have too many quality issues.

DrFill:

Have you listened to the 911 call from the Lexus of the CHP officer while it was out of control?

Since 2001, Toyota had over 1000 incidents of unintended acceleration, resulting in 19 deaths.

That is more than all the other automakers COMBINED.

I would not buy a Toyota nor a Lexus, and as this becomes more common knowledge, more will feel the same.

The latest reliability survey shows Ford’s sedans scoring higher than Toyota. The whole value prop for Toyota is quality – and their race to the top resulted in a fatal sacrifice on that front.

coolguy8157, what’s crappy about the Accord? The accord is a very good car for what it is, a family sedan,

and rayanet, can you mention one car manufacturer that makes better quality vehicle than Honda? You can question their design all you want but when it comes to quality very few can match it.

NickelDime
Ford can have a good year
Just like Hyundai
If you wanna invest in fly-by-night operations, be my guest

The sun shines on a Dog’s ass sometimes

When they put 20-25 years of good business on their resume
You let me know
If either one of us are still breathing

On a good day, Ford’s lineup is a disappointment
DrFill

BTW
Ford isn’t beating Toyota in ANY JDPower IQS or Dependability survey (2009)
So go spread your lies somewhere else

Ford needs to build cars people want to buy
Then they can worry about messing with the best
DrFill

DrFill:
Eerie silence on the deaths caused by your beloved Toyota, which was the thrust of my post. The fact that the Fusion quality is ranked higher than the Camry (even if the analysis is flawed) illustrates how far Toyota has fallen in such a short time.

Surprising LLN isn’t covering Toyota’s recall of 4.3M vehicles.

If you’re open to hearing truth, read this article from the LA Times published Wednesday:
http://tinyurl.com/ykkdvv8

DrFill:

JDPower is a paid research firm. IQS only shows problems in the first 90 days = meaningless. Explains why Jaguar has historically scored well, when everyone knows the cars are rubbish over time.

Since you made up your last post, and have since been exposed as a phony…..
DrFill

Honda is a car company that continues to dissappoint.

DrFill:

What are you talking about ???

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS212244+02-Nov-2009+PRN20091102

“Relatedly, Consumer Reports also released reliability findings from its latest
Car Reliability Survey. The survey found that front-wheel drive versions of
the Fusion have reliability that is better than that of the Toyota Camry and
Honda Accord, two models that many consider to be paradigms of reliability.
The all-wheel-drive version’s reliability is just average, because of problems
with its drive system.”

Elvacano, I can tell you that any of the U.S. manufactures meet or exceed the quality of Honda. Where Honda may excel versus others including Toyota is in their ability to design efficient smooth running engines and suspension tuning.

I am specifically referring to the quality of vehicles that they manufacture in North America. Look at the terrible paint finishes that they have. In addition, both interior and exterior panel gaps that do not line up correctly and the poor quality of plastic surfaces that are used for interior panels. After 10,000 miles their cars start to rattle and squeak. They also need to get their OEM suppliers to step up the quality of materials used to manufacture parts, such as floor mats, brake pads, rotors, etc.

I currently own a Mercedes, Lexus, Porsche and Honda and I have owned many many more cars previously including domestics and by far my experience with Honda has been the worst!

If they don’t get their quality control in order, they’ll be the next Japanese manufacturer to make the headlines and if Honda doesn’t get there act together in design, they’ll lose market share to the Koreans and Americans,

Nickel
You are actually using THAT as a reference, when it clearly states some models have significant problems?
That’s like saying “He’s a very good worker, except when it’s cold outside, then he doesn’t seem to get much done”

If that’s what you like, be my guest
Enjoy
Let me pat you on the back for finding such praise
I feel so low…….
DrFill

Nickel –

Drfilledwithcrap is living a dream world. Or actually his moms basement, and he changes oil at a lexus dealer. That is why his name is dr.fill, he has been allowed to ” fill ” the cars with oil. His ignorance about the auto world shows in every post that types.

By the way, I went to the Central Florida Auto show yesterday. The toyoda display had some of the slowest traffic in the show. And everytime I walked past the majority of the on lookers had gray hair and were well over the age of 60. The toyoda display was actually placed in an area that you had to walk threw to get to the other parts of the auto show. And people still did not stay to look at the crap that toyoda had to offer. Toyoda actually had 3 female singers, to lure people over. People walked away when they started to sing about toyoda. It was hilarious. Now dr.filledwithcrap would now say that toyoda planned to have people over the age of 60 looking at their autos. This toyoda’s master plan. haha

The honda crosstour had a lot of traffic at the show, and made the venza look like the family truckster from national lampoon’s vacation.

ALS
If I were living in a dreamworld
Your dopey ass wouldn’t be on it
DrFill

DrFill:

Camry is in the same boat. V6 has problems, 4-cyl is fine. To believe all variations of a given model will be equal is fantasy.

Still haven’t responded to the elephant in the room. There are 19 fewer people in this world thanks to your beloved toyota and their unintended acceleration.

You think Ford, or GM, hasn’t had problems that resulted in fatalities?
Get your head out of your pants!
I’d list them, but I have to be at work tomorrow morning
Anyway you should do some homework
A lot of homework
DrFill

DrFill:

“Sudden acceleration incidents involving Toyota-made cars and trucks have claimed 19 lives since the 2002 model year, The Times has reported, which federal officials say is more than all other manufacturers combined.”

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-recall26-2009nov26,0,3295310.story

Face it.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-cost26-2009nov26,0,2914702.story

On Toyota:

“There’s nothing else to the brand,” said John Wolkonowicz, an analyst with consultant IHS Global Insight. “It’s not built on eye-catching design. It’s not built on a cutting-edge driving experience. It’s not built on performance. It’s built on quality and low cost of ownership.”

More on Toyota, front page of the LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-throttle29-2009nov29,0,5254584.story

Data point to Toyota’s throttles, not floor mats
Amid widening concern over acceleration events, Toyota has cited ‘floor mat entrapment.’ But reports point to another potential cause: the electronic throttles that have replaced mechanical systems.

LLN: WHERE ARE YOU ?

Rayenet while I respect your opinion I must disagree when you say that any of the U.S. manufactures meet or exceed the quality of Honda. That’s hard to believe, Ford is the one that has stepped up their game but only within the last year or two. GM could be on the same path but we can’t tell yet and Chrysler, well lets not get started on that one. I have also owned different brands and in my experience Honda stands above. Of course they have had their shares of misses but overall when it comes to car quality, Honda’s name always comes to mind. But hey, I’m in favor of better quality control as well, for any manufacturer.

Nickel-
Reality is not in dr.filledwithcrap train of thought. Toyoda can do no wrong, they have let him change oil for the past 10 or so years. He is forever indebted to toyoda for their ability to look past mental issues, and still hire him. He makes a dildo out of himself everytime he types. Let’s just say, he is the tool of this site, with his entertaining lack of reality. We can all tell him truthful information, and even put it in graphs or video to make it easier. But, in the end. He will just be a complete tool and worship toyodaa.

Nickel
Stupidity is ALS’ train
Get of and wait for the next one!
DrFill

Need I say more ?
He is a complete tool . Go toyodaa !! hahahaha

Yeah
You can apologize to everyone for being here
That would go a long way towards rehabilitating your image
DrFill

dr.filledwith crap cannot take the heat. You type lies about toyoda all day long on this site. Then you cannot take truthful comments. Complete Tool..

You only know what I tell you
You can’t spell
Unemployment is not a career
So knock it off
DrFill

DrFill

Your silence to facts is defeaning
As is the reaction to your
Completely moronic
Wannabe haikus.

NickelDime

Nickel
What facts?
You are telling me things I already know
With a dumba$$ spin on it

You avoided my question
So why would I answer yours again?

Do you think this has only happened to Toyota?
Have you ever heard of a design flaw in a car costing someone their life?
Is Toyota’s 50 year reputation destroyed based on this issue?

When you look at this fairly, we can have a discussion about it
DrFill

DrFill , Im a Honda Dealer and just wanted to see how you feel about the 5.4 MILLION recalls toyota has right now?? I sure cant complain because residual value just DROPPED and quality! Im glad they finally made a mistake by rushing to put their cars together. Im just sorry for the people who had to risk their lives cause of their poor qualtiy. The class action law suit hopefully will wake up EVERYBODY……… BUSINESS IS GREAT