HOW these cars got a reputation for “quality” remains a mystery to me.

Just love it when LLN sees things as Black and White. But I don’t expect anything less from them. There is blood on the street and all automakers including Honda has to cut back. But that is not to say that the Big 3′s products do not have their own faults, like a history of inferior products until recently and dismal fuel economy, which is improving, mind if I add.

That’s funny, I have worked on a 30 year old honda bike, a 35 yr old Z, a 90 and 88 fords 93 toyota and a 97 jeep without noticing the planned obsolescence that you mention. Things wear with age. Things seize with age. Thats all it is. Then again, the internet is vast with ranting from fanboys.

If I had any gripe for the imports vs the domestics, it would be using the “disposible” clips for interior panels. Yeah its a pain to replace the little things, but everything seals up nice and tight with the new ones.

Honda and the other Japanese makers use crap material that’s more prone to rusting, and screw heads that twist off or round off. It’s cheap junk that’s designed to last only 10 years because laws in Japan make it very expensive to keep a car past 10 years, so they’re all exported to 3rd world countries…… so they don’t care about using quality materials that remain serviceable for over a decade.

I almost believe that dribble about your 20 year old firebird being like a 5 year old car. Unless you mean that it was easy to replace the parts, because most of em were recently installed.

The mullet may have obscured your view.

Meanwhile, today I installed a new set of fuel injectors in a 1989 Pontiac Firebird 305 TPI with 190,000 miles and working on IT was like working a car only 5 years old, meanwhile the other mechanic was changing the alternator in a 1992 Honda Civic with 200,000 miles and it was a BITCH with all the CHEAP HARDWARE rusted together!

If this happens, they will be taking what’s left of this rotten economy with them. And no one will be left with a job… so no one is going to buy all of those Accords, Camry’s and the like.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.

Don’t bother with 1115. He thinks that blue book values prove whether one car is more reliable than the other. That’s about as silly as fuel economy figures being used to prove reliability.

I remember reading something somewhere about the futility of arguing with a fool…

I have worked for Domestic and Import. Both have good points, both have bad points. I don’t think ANYone on this website(outside of NMOFGM) would say that the Domestics are perfect and don’t need to restructure in many areas. BUT as this shows and other data shows the imports are feeling the crunch also. All automakers were producing to many cars for the current market and all have to high of costs across the board.

Do yourself a favor. Educate yourself before spouting off. Actually drive a Domestic car for week. If you can have an open mind and realize that just maybe the American cars are built with similiar quality and attractive style to your beloved imports, just maybe you can understand what some of us are talking about.

and whether you want to believe this or not, its true: IF the domestics go down, your beloved honda and toyota will be right behind them in asking for funds.

Everything had to fall back to Earth sooner or later. The only guys who are going to be prospering in the short term are automotive technicians because more and more people are going to be holding onto their sh*tboxes just that much longer waiting for the next thing to break.”

That’s exactly my case. I am holding on my sh•tbox Volvo 98 for at least another year. Before buying a car I need to feed and shelter my family first. The worst scenario, I will start riding my bike. For sure will be better for my health and environment. haha

Honda operates in black not on the verge of disaster like idiots(GM, Ford, Chrysler) in USA.

I will admit Ford is doign a better job of tryign to avoid the bailout. Will see if they still take the money.

GO HONDA!!!!

loyal buyer here

Bullshit

Where do they get their info? From 1115…

As production numbers decreases, amount of products required from suppliers decrease. This results in job loss, or even a whole shift at a plant being eliminated at the suppliers end. When the auto manufacturing plants start to cut production, they start working at a loss as well. If you look at how honda structures their production schedule they look to output a target number of vehicles a day. When that number is decreased, they are paying the same amount of money for labor to build less cars, which leads to decreased profits.

As some companies are already starting to do is taking longer christmas recesses, that will cut production days down, this is one way to control profitability of their vehicles; however in the grand scheme of things as more jobs are cut, more people will not find work, more people will spend less, less people buy vehicles, and the economy as a whole we start to collapse.

Even if the bailout was given to the Big 3, there is no way to ensure that the general population would purchase automobiles; therefore the rising inventories at shipyards, and autoplants across the country will just grow.

The used car market is also saturated, so with a world with so much choice and very little income where are people to go. We will see how this whole economy plays out for my career once I graduate, hopefully my years working at a mechanical engineering and business degree will not be lost by me working for a mcdonalds.

THEY DO?

Where did LLN get this data?

Also, what’s this?
Honda’s total cuts don’t quite match General Motors’ 250,000 million unit cut for …

And it’s funny because when the media announced that there will be a recession/slow down in the economy, people started to spend less, which in turn caused the recession that would not have occurred otherwise.

Honda will still make great cars, just less for now, every car maker is in the same boat (more or less).